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Zing
December 10th, 2012
12:19 pm
Thanks for posting the summaries of the prospects, Efrim. Interesting stuff.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
12:19 pm
Minor League splits seem to be harder to find than a right-handed power hitting left fielder.
Hillbilly, try minorleaguecentral.com for splits; at least, for the last couple of years.
brian
December 10th, 2012
12:20 pm
1 year of Choo is not worth Teheran
JoeFan
December 10th, 2012
12:21 pm
Doubt there are any more trades prior to spring training for the Braves unless Wren is blown away by an offer. If Gattis and Francisco are both productive, then Prado swings between LF and 3B. In the worse case scenario , Wren will have to go looking for a trading partner. Not a bad problem to have especially with the pitching depth the Braves can use as trade bait.
Patrick
December 10th, 2012
12:27 pm
Looks like Ichiro is about to re-sign with the Yankees.
At this point, with what is left out there and the high prices that teams are paying in trades.
Signing Ichiro would have been a FANTASTIC signing!
Now, I have no clue if he was even interested in coming to the Braves. But if he was…Wren should have done everything he could have to get him.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
12:29 pm
TOBF He’s the youngest option, and imo is the best. .800 vs RHP, .850 vs LHP. Wanted him since last summer…
hm…only decent player younger is prado. but most of them are barely older than pence. Morse, Choo, Kubel, Cruz, Hart, Prado, are all going to be out there too, not to mention CFers like Granderson, Ellsbury and Young. seems ot me there are plenty of guys that are pretty close to the same. next offseason has a TON of OFers.
Murph
December 10th, 2012
12:43 pm
So, where is the team’s current payroll? Somewhere around $83mil?
Remember when Wren said it could go as high as $100mil? Yeah, that was pretty funny. It’s not really his fault, though… can’t spend just to spend, and 90% of what’s been out there is crap.
It also gives the team lots and lots of flexibility to get who they need at the deadline without any payroll concerns whatsoever. Need 3 high-priced guys? Wren can get 3 high-priced guys.
Hillbilly
December 10th, 2012
12:44 pm
Hillbilly, try minorleaguecentral.com for splits; at least, for the last couple of years.
Well that certainly clears that up: .423/.494/.891/1.385 vs left handers. Holy mackerel.
Thanks, scoots.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jim Bowden lists the “new school” General Manaers….
“New school” general managers
GM TEAM
Alex Anthopolous Toronto Blue Jays
Chris Antonetti Cleveland Indians
Josh Byrnes San Diego Padres
Ben Cherington Boston Red Sox
Jon Daniels Texas Rangers
Jerry DiPoto Los Angeles Angels
Andrew Friedman Tampa Bay Rays
Bill Geivett Colorado Rockies
Jed Hoyer Chicago Cubs
Neal Huntington Pittsburgh Pirates
Jeff Luhnow Houston Astros
John Mozeliak St. Louis Cardinals
ChattTownBrian
December 10th, 2012
12:46 pm
As somebody who we all look up to says around here … I can taste Choo in a Braves uni!
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
12:48 pm
And the old school guys….
“Old school” general managers
GM TEAM
Sandy Alderson New York Mets
Ruben Amaro Philadelphia Phillies
Billy Beane Oakland Athletics
Larry Beinfest President, Miami Marlins
Brian Cashman New York Yankees
Ned Colletti Los Angeles Dodgers
Dave Dombrowski Detroit Tigers
Dan Duquette Boston Red Sox
Walt Jocketty Cincinnati Reds
Doug Melvin Milwaukee Brewers
Dayton Moore Kansas City Royals
Mike Rizzo Washington Nationals
Terry Ryan Minnesota Twins
Brian Sabean San Francisco Giants
Kevin Towers Arizona Diamondbacks
Frank Wren Atlanta Braves
Jack Zduriencik Seattle Mariners
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
12:52 pm
Bowden’s best article since joining ESPN.com, imo. There is more to it – but here is another part and the end of the piece:
The lack of free-agent activity was blamed on the bottle neck at the top of class as everyone waited for Zack Greinke to decide (he chose the Dodgers), and Josh Hamilton to test the market. (In my opinion, Hamilton likely will stay with the Rangers as soon as they supply him with a suitable offer.)
However, what about the trade market? Why was there so much inactivity in an industry that was dying to make moves? Besides the free agent market, many executives pointed to directly to the divide between old-school and new-school general managers.
For more than a decade, people have tried to differentiate these two schools of thought simply on how each side evaluated players. Old school GMs were too dependent on scouting reports and archaic ways to measure statistics, instead of advanced metrics and video breakdown. They also weighted makeup and character more heavily than they should.
However, the fact is old- and new-school methods to evaluate players have come together basically as one package of information. Certainly, San Francisco Giants GM Brian Sabean will continue to weigh makeup and loyalty more heavily than others categories, and Ryan will continue to place more emphasis on scouting than new school GM’s. Ont the other hand, Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein of the Cubs will continue to use sabermetrics more than Towers. But overall, every team blends scouting and analytics when evaluating players.
This is a golden age for baseball, as we have more information available to us than ever before, and many tech-savvy GMs are taking advantage of this in an effort to swing deals.However, the human element remains important, especially if you have just 29 other human beings with whom to do business. If some of them, like Ryan and Towers, prefer a style that’s more suited for the way they like to do business, and if a style or strategy prevents deals from getting done, than perhaps an adjustments should be made. This is a results-oriented business and the Nationals and Phillies wouldn’t have solved their center field woes if they didn’t understand the best way to do business with Ryan was with straightforward style of negotiation.
There is no right or wrong style, and technology will continue to play a larger role in how deals are made. That said, it’s imperative that all GMs learn how to deal with the other 29 if they want to maximize their chances of success.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
12:54 pm
Old School vs. New School is not necessarily Sabr vs. Scouts sort of thing. Just that it’s more like TOBF peppering Lew with text messages and an aggressive negotiation tactic.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
12:55 pm
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2012/2614446.html
Breakdown of the KC/Tampa trade. Lots of scouts takes.
tony austin
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Gattis” is a cool baseball name. Thereby, I declare him the LF of the future for the Braves, slugging 30-35 HRs per season
The only info I know about Gattis is the info I’ve read on the blog and by looking at his stats. He appears to have a pretty good eye at the plate, his OBP is good, his SLG seems a little low but no matter.
I have no idea how this is going to translate into ML #s, but if the Braves don’t get a LF by spring training, I wouldn’t mind seeing them give him a shot to win the job.
keyLargo
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
Teheran, Gilmartin and Ahmed for Choo.. Do it now!!!!
I’d like to see someone so stupid as propose that trade, join PL on the sidelines until they learn enough about baseball to have an opinion worth reading.
keyLargo
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
Teheran, Gilmartin and Ahmed for Choo.. Do it now!!!!
I’d like to see someone so stupid as propose that trade, join PL on the sidelines until they learn enough about baseball to have an opinion worth reading.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
Teheran was the number one pitching prospect in baseball at 20. As the article states, it was adjustments that caused the downturn, he will turn it around this year, as he has already begun to do and all the doubters will jump back on board. It shows a lot of maturity that he stuck to the adjustments when it made him lose 4 mphs of velocity- and now the new mechanics are working and his risk for injury is greatly decreased.
brian
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
for most of his articles and commentry, Bowden reminds everyone why he was a subpar GM
keyLargo
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
Teheran, Gilmartin and Ahmed for Choo.. Do it now!!!!
I’d like to see someone so stupid as propose that trade, join PL on the sidelines until they learn enough about baseball to have an opinion worth reading.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
12:59 pm
Old School vs. New School is not necessarily Sabr vs. Scouts sort of thing.
Not at all. Simply means that the focus of telling the other guy what he wants to hear shifts, sometimes. A re-defining of the the attributes of a certain player, in the terms of the priorities of the trading partner.
A shocker: this happens in the business world every day, about every 13 nanoseconds.
ncbravesfan90
December 10th, 2012
1:03 pm
“So, where is the team’s current payroll? Somewhere around $83mil?
Remember when Wren said it could go as high as $100mil? Yeah, that was pretty funny. It’s not really his fault, though… can’t spend just to spend, and 90% of what’s been out there is crap.
It also gives the team lots and lots of flexibility to get who they need at the deadline without any payroll concerns whatsoever. Need 3 high-priced guys? Wren can get 3 high-priced guys.”
No need to worry, that money will be spent by opening day. You can’t just hold onto that money and say well i have 15 mil to spend but im just going to wait till the trade deadline to spend it. That’s not how it goes in baseball. First of all, you may not even be in contention by then so therefore the money will be put forth to get someone who can help you win from day 1, not day 100 and beyond when it may not even really matter then.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
1:03 pm
Billy Beane, Oakland Athletics – old school? I thought he invented the New School of baseball exec?
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
1:06 pm
It shows a lot of maturity that he stuck to the adjustments when it made him lose 4 mphs of velocity
There are few things harder than to suck through those kind of “adjustments” without reverting to old ways. Mentally and physically tough. If the kid finds his way back to performance, he’ll have some good solid scar tissue built up.
richbrave
December 10th, 2012
1:08 pm
Dang! Talk about a bad day………………. CAM CAMERON gets canned in the a.m. for the loss to the REDSKINS, decides O.K> time to catch up on Christmas shopping, has a 76-year old woman run a redlight at high speed and T-bones his BMW. Both legs broken, and ends the day in the hospital. Now that IS a bad day. Whew!
I know, I know,,,,,,,,,,
Killed anybody today Curley?
………..day ain’t over yet. City Slickers
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:08 pm
Ncscoots, especially for a young kid thats trying to make his way to the bigs. The fact that he battled through when he could have reverted back to somewhat suspect mechanics that allowed him to dominate hitters is very impressive. If he gets back to his prior dominance with improved mechanics, we benefit both short and long term.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
1:09 pm
Billy Beane, Oakland Athletics – old school?
He was New School to the old Old School. Nowadays, the new New School makes Beane Old School.
That clear it up for you?
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:11 pm
Hey y’all, assuming the Indians are asking way too much for 1 yr of Choo, who would everyone like us to target. (This question is primarily for those who believe we can’t go with internal options).
Brava
December 10th, 2012
1:15 pm
MLB @MLB
OFFICIAL: @WhiteSox, INF Jeff Keppinger agree to 3-year, $12 million contract.
Brava
December 10th, 2012
1:16 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Tigers announced Brayan Pena 1-year deal. Backup catcher replaces Laird (who signed with Braves)
richbrave
December 10th, 2012
1:17 pm
JOSE PERAZA is a guy I’ve had my eye on. ALEX WOOD is another.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
1:17 pm
AP the Indians are asking way too much for 1 yr of Choo
what are they asking for choo? i actually havent heard that they are asking for anything particularly.
abeeeewright
December 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
“Wait. Are you saying that Medlen will lose some games next year???”
IF the in-field boots the ball around like it did in the wild card game, Medlen might lose a game.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
That clear it up for you?
Err, yes – I think so, anyway.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
Choo or bust…
Umm, well Alex Gordon is off the table… Upton isn’t likely… how available are Olt or Gyorko?
Hart probably costs too much. Anyone else we probably add will be a cheap addition (like moving Northcraft or Spruill); not really worth a trade imo. Just send Juan to play LF, then. To trade anything for Bonifacio or Dee Gordon is friggin Crazy
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
Not at all. Simply means that the focus of telling the other guy what he wants to hear shifts, sometimes. A re-defining of the the attributes of a certain player, in the terms of the priorities of the trading partner.
Very true, scoots. I thought it was a solid article by Bowden at a time when a lot of fans are scratching their heads as to why there hasn’t been more action. Lots of gaping holes on teams prior to last night and no big trades to speak of, so this peak into what could be the issue is a nice take from Jim.
He was New School to the old Old School. Nowadays, the new New School makes Beane Old School.
Agreed. As usual, you craft the wording very well.
tony austin
December 10th, 2012
1:19 pm
(This question is primarily for those who believe we can’t go with internal options). – A.P.
I don’t think the internal options are bad for the Braves. My only issues is when I heard about all of the $$ coming off the of the books this season, and that the Braves had a lot they could spend. They add one high priced acquisition and I was hoping for a second moderately high to high priced signing/acquisition. Little did I know how little it was they actually had to spend. At least so they say.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:20 pm
I was speculating DAP. I have heard from different tweets that the price is pretty high for a one year rental, but I am not sure what they are specifically ask for. Personally, I wouldn’t want to trade 1 year of Teheran or Delgado for him, but that’s just me.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
asking*
JC Brave
December 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
All I want for Christmas is that the Braves DO NOT get someone like Bonifacio anywhere near Atlanta.
Please, Santa, save us from that nightmare…
DAP
December 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
infact, i think the ONLY thing really out there on Choo, is that he is “very available” and the price would be “high”. that was last week. any specific rumors about what the indians want for choo? i dont know what a “high” price means. could be anything.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
1:23 pm
If they were only gonna add 1 high price guy, coulda gotten Hamilton! 4 years, 90mil. We’d currently be at 90mil…
Braves coud have 35mil coming off next year… after ARB, probably about 25. Add in 5mil of TV revenue, that’s 30mil, but somehow (LM accouting
) we’ll only end up with 20mil to spend. That’s enough for Pence and some cheap catcher if Mac goes on… Graham and Gilmartin/Wood to the rotation. No David Price for us 
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
1:26 pm
what are they asking for choo? i actually havent heard that they are asking for anything particularly.
I’d bet Teheran or Delgado with Wren pushing others like Gilmartin or Spruill. Maybe Graham, although it seemed like they were reluctant to part with Graham this past summer from what I read.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:26 pm
Tony Austin- I am with you. I think internal options at this point are better than some of the options i’ve heard. I also hate to finally hear we have 25 mil. to spend and all we land is Upton. But, I also think we have been wise not to simply spend for the sake of spending. The cost of prospects in trade and $ for free agents is insane.
DAP- I heard the same things. I figured with the classification of “high” in this market would mean a group of prospects most of us don’t want to give up
richbrave
December 10th, 2012
1:27 pm
RHSP MAURICIO CABRERA [Rookie+ - Age 19; 2.97 ERA - 1.17 WHIP] I’ve noticed him, but he was uneven all through the 2011 season in the DSL. Last year he skipped over Gulf Coast – ORLANDO to high ROOKIE in DANVILLE, and after a couple outings to find his bearings, he began to do well.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
1:34 pm
When looking at that list of prospects, I’m sure Wren is doing everything in his power to keep Teheran, Graham, Bethancourt, Sims, M. Cabrera, Wood, Gattis, Peraza and trying to push all other prospects on opposing GM’s – Gilmartin, Spruill, Martin, Moore, Ahmed, Cunningham, etc.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
Wren has a track record of acquiring talent without giving up much in prospects. I get that he almost traded Delgado, but that was contingent on Dempster signing an extension and us getting Reed Johnson. Dempster was top 3 in era at the time.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
ok, the price for Choo is apparently “high” and for Asdrubal Cabrera it is “very high” so if we can figure out what is possible for Cabrera, maybe we can get a more concrete sense. here is a rumor involving the three team trade we have heard about:
“One scenario had Upton going to the Rangers, Cabrera to the D’Backs, and Martin Perez and more to the Indians, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.”
Martin Perez and others for Cabrera, is basically the haul Cleveland gets in this scenario. Hard to say with out knowing who “the others” are, but what is Martin Perez to the Rangers? he doesnt seem to have great numbers, even in the minors. is he equivalent to tehran or delgado?
CB
December 10th, 2012
1:41 pm
AP, where did you hear that the Delgado-Dempster trade was contingent on Dempster signing an extension? I have never heard that.
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:46 pm
I am not sure of Perez’s value, but I still don’t understand why we are not involved in a 3 team trade with Cleveland and Arizona. I’m not quite as high as J Upton as some on here as I think his numbers outside of 2 years ago haven’t been elite, but I would love to see that outfield. I have to imagine Teheran/Delgado Ahmed and maybe another mid level prospect gets us Asdrubal, which will help us get at least 3 years of Upton
brian
December 10th, 2012
1:46 pm
I don’t understand why everybody wants to just give Gilmartin away. He is not Tom Glavine and may “just” be a 4th guy on a good rotation. Has anybody looked at the going rate for 4th starters? 6 years of control of a major league starter, even a 4th starter, is valuable. Gilmartin is not a throw in for a trade.
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
1:49 pm
Making NO trade is MUCH better than making a bad trade. Options are limited, and options at any realistic level of cost, are rare. Work the magic if you can…otherwise, see what the internal options can do, and live to trade/sign another day. At least that’s my humble opinion.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
1:50 pm
AP I have to imagine Teheran/Delgado Ahmed and maybe another mid level prospect gets us Asdrubal, which will help us get at least 3 years of Upton
except dbacks dont want asdrubal.
“D’backs GM Kevin Towers made it clear that he seeks a shortstop he controls for more than two years, so it seems Elvis Andrus or Asdrubal Cabrera would not be sufficient, tweets Jim Bowden of SiriusXM and ESPN.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/latest-on-indians-rangers-d-backs-trade-talks.html#hqMFygcGHxjlYxWY.99“
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:50 pm
One of the poster’s here posted a tweet a little while back. I apologize for the vagueness of my source. It makes sense though, as Wren is usually tight with prospects, and at the time our team was in desperate need for an ace, which Dempster was pretending to be.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
1:51 pm
15mil or so of cash at the deadline should be enough to buy a LF, right? Maybe the Giants will be out of contention, we send Spruill and 10mil to get Pence… or try that for Hart… Kubel, Upton
Ha!
DAP
December 10th, 2012
1:51 pm
brian Has anybody looked at the going rate for 4th starters?
how about the going rate for 5-tool corner outfielders?
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
1:54 pm
Well that would explain it than! Thanks DAP.
I wonder why there has been consistent noise with a 3 way trade between those teams if AZ doesn’t even want Asdrubal.
old man
December 10th, 2012
1:55 pm
It is sort of ironic that this time last year we were going nuts over the SS position, moaning and groaning about FW not acquiring one, how weak our options were, etc. Today, our SS is on a list of maybe 3 or 4 players that NO ONE on this blog would trade.
A lot can happen in a year, eh?
Now remind me, what position is it that we are all ready to crucify FW about right now? LF? Oh yeah, that’s the crisis de jour.
PuddyCat
December 10th, 2012
1:58 pm
Choo will never ever be a Brave. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013. It is a popular topic in Middle and High School circles to fantacize and have a crush for a player and then type it over and over and over again ad nauseum. That immaturity will go away with time, patience and encouragement from others.
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
1:58 pm
TOBF – I admire your tenacity, my young friend….but you need to take a deep breath. Your proposals are growing more desperate…even bazaar, as time goes on. You may at least try to have at least a modicum of reality as a basis.
“coulda gotten Hamilton [for] 4 years, $90 Mil….really? Where did you acquire that nugget of information? Same place as your estimates of the cost for Greinke?
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
Choo will never ever be a Brave. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
You are right that Choo may not become a Braves. However, I can guarantee you that Wren is looking at one year players. Its not a long commitment and it doesnt block future players. Maybe he thinks Gattis will be perfect for LF in 2014. Choo in 2013 is a perfect fit if thats the case.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
Choo will never ever be a Brave. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
The opinion that acquiring Choo (even at an overpay) would be at a price so high in personnel as to prevent the team from contending beyond next year is not one based in any kind of logic, that I can see.
kenhotlanta
December 10th, 2012
2:06 pm
scoots: Were these girls your Groupies?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151287133271585&set=a.86922371584.72498.66980416584&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:08 pm
ken, just the two on the ends.
Pearls Before Swine
December 10th, 2012
2:09 pm
This all from the Ken Rosenthal column today on the Rays and Royals trade:
“Well, last time I checked, outfielder Wil Myers was not yet Willie Mays. Right-hander Jake Odorizzi might prove nothing more than a No. 3 starter. Lefty Mike Montgomery regressed after Baseball America named him the Royals’ top prospect in 2012, and third baseman Patrick Leonard spent last season in Rookie Ball.
“I love prospects, but uncle,” one GM said Sunday night.
“Myers is no slam dunk. He better hit a ton. And maybe he will. But this is far from a lopsided deal.”
I’m sick of low-revenue teams that are scared to make a move, fixated on their place in the Baseball America organization rankings, content in their mediocrity.”
All the above from the Rosenthal article. All I can say it “preach it brother! I’m with ya!”
I’m not saying the Braves are doing this now as much as they used to, but this organization has been one of the biggest prospect huggers in baseball in past years! Sure, there are the McCann’s who come along, but there are far more Francouers’ and Kyle Davies’ who never amount to more than wasted time and blown trade opportunities for proven big leaguers.
Anyway…. hooray for Ken Rosenthal for speaking the truth. No guarantee the Royals can even compete this year, but at least they aren’t hugging prospects so they can finish 20 games under .500 again.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
2:09 pm
losing Teheran doesn’t set us back for ages. Got potential #2 starters in Delgado, Graham, and Wood. Supposedly, to Lew, Minor can be one as well. We’ve got good depth at pitcher.
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:12 pm
I see a pattern here.
Our big trade of two years ago, Uggla, met with almost universal acclaim, and it has fallen way short of expectations.
One year ago, our “no trade, no signing” strategy at SS was panned by all of us on the blog, and it worked brilliantly.
So, this year, the very skeptical reaction to BJ means he is going have a career year in 2013, right?
God forbid we get anyone “good” for LF.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
2:12 pm
scoots Choo will never ever be a Brave. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
The opinion that acquiring Choo (even at an overpay) would be at a price so high in personnel as to prevent the team from contending beyond next year is not one based in any kind of logic
scoots, i think what he is saying is that wren wont trade for a player he will only have for 1 year. i disagree that wren will not do that. i see no reason why he actually wouldnt want the opportunity to sign a corner outfielder next offseason, actually. there are a bunch of good ones.
Brava
December 10th, 2012
2:12 pm
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
I heard same thing @MartinoNYDN reported — that #royals asked #mets for Jon Niese and Zack Wheeler for Myers, straight up.
tony austin
December 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
It would probably take a train of prospect to get Choo to Atlanta….Okay, very weak, I apologize.
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
POS blog ate my post, again.
Dave, what are those jack-O’s doing over in IT?
A.P.
December 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
TOBF, losing Teheran wouldn’t set us back ages, but there’s no way he’s worth one year of Choo. If Teheran becomes an Ace, which he was always projected to be or even a number 3, which most would agree is reasonable- then 1 year of Choo is trash compared to 6 cheap years of a legit started. I get I’m being speculative but Teheran is the same guy we have all been drooling over for years, don’t let one year of making adjustments make you think he’s worth selling low.
PuddyCat
December 10th, 2012
2:14 pm
Hamilton will never ever be a Brave just for 2013. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
Greinke will never ever be a Brave just for 2013. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
Choo will never ever be a Brave just for 2013. Wren is trying to construct a team for 2013 and beyond, not just for 2013.
Now bring your snarky remarks
Brava
December 10th, 2012
2:14 pm
m shannon smallwood @woodysmalls
Buster Posey Donates His NL MVP Prize to Lee County High School… http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2012/12/10/buster-posey-donates-mvp-bonus-to-lee-county-high-school/ …
kenhotlanta
December 10th, 2012
2:16 pm
scoots: Good eye! I guess baseball served you well with that talent.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:16 pm
“Well, last time I checked, outfielder Wil Myers was not yet Willie Mays. Right-hander Jake Odorizzi might prove nothing more than a No. 3 starter. Lefty Mike Montgomery regressed…I’m sick of low-revenue teams that are scared to make a move, fixated on their place in the Baseball America organization rankings, content in their mediocrity.”
All possible. As is just the opposite.
I understand the urge to refute the “This is a big win for the Rays” argument, but Rosenthal does himself a disservice by using the same arguments, just reversing the coin. Painting the prospects in the trade in the worst possible light is just as faulty as protraying their potential as given performance.
I happen to agree that it is not a slam-dunk win for the Rays, but, come on. There are better ways to make the argument than a disparaging comparison to Wil Myers as Willie Mays.
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
“losing Teheran doesn’t set us back for ages” is an entirely different argument than “(player X) is worth less (or more than) Teheran”.
Murph
December 10th, 2012
2:18 pm
What did the Royals ask for from the Braves? Oh, that’s right, Frank was too busy negotiating the deal of his 3rd minor league catcher acquisition to answer his phone that day.
Good job Frank. Really good job.
Chipperchop
December 10th, 2012
2:19 pm
What I don’t understand is why it seems that other GM’s ask for the moon, when talking to Wren about potential trades, and then the Nationals are able to get Span for one low A pitcher. Why is that?
CB
December 10th, 2012
2:19 pm
There is a box at the bottom of page for us to register a complaint about blog. I just did and I hope all of you who agree do also about the many issues of slowness on the blog.
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
What I don’t understand is why it seems that other GM’s ask for the moon, when talking to Wren about potential trades, and then the Nationals are able to get Span for one low A pitcher. Why is that?
We over-value our prospects and under-value prospects of other teams. That, and we dont have the budget to sign FA’s so we have to keep our potential future players.
Murph
December 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
Now bring your snarky remarks
I think PuddyCat is actually Ward with a new moniker. Anyone else notice the similarities?
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
scoots – Agree. IMO, no one has ever compared to Willie Mays.
PuddyCat
December 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
Royals asked Wren for Minor straight up for Myers. Look it up
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:23 pm
2011, Uggla trade praised, he disappoints.
2012, Failure to acquire a legit SS is criticized, Simmons is now untouchable.
2013, Signing of BJ Upton criticized . . . career year in ATL???
For God’s sake, don’t sign anyone that gets a positive reaction here.
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
PuddyCat, look it up where?
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
Royals asked Wren for Minor straight up for Myers. Look it up
Are you then saying that Wren turned down such a deal?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
Royals asked Wren for Minor straight up for Myers. Look it up
Wow, really? A #3 for the RH version of Heyward… I’d have done that.
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:26 pm
Is there a link to some authority on the Minor for Myers offer?
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:28 pm
crickets.
Murph
December 10th, 2012
2:28 pm
Royals asked Wren for Minor straight up for Myers. Look it up
I was right, PuddyCat = Ward. The unwillingness to name sources, the total lack of baseball knowledge, the charming naivete to the way front offices work.
Hi Ward!
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
2:28 pm
We coulda gotten J Upton for Constanza. Look it up.
See how easy that is?
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
Murph, that’s a disservice to Ward.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
2:31 pm
Braves could have signed Greinke for 7 years, 15mil per
Look it up.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:31 pm
We coulda gotten J Upton for Constanza. Look it up. See how easy that is?
I’m stuck a little, though, since I was ready pack Medlen’s bags for the same deal. I am almost required to believe Minor-for-Myers is legit, regardless of the source.
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
Wren would have done Minor for Myers, IMHO
old man
December 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
Wren would have done Minor for Myers, IMHO, ergo, the deal was never offered.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
More’s the pity, I could have really messed with TennPaul if that deal had gone down. Ha!
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
Murph – Does that make PuddyCat the fake fake Ward, or the fake real Ward?
PuddyCat
December 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
Why you gotta be a punk ass TOBF.