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JasonInFL
December 10th, 2012
9:01 am
Again, I am not completely against the trade. I think it accomplished what both sides ultimately wanted: Rays get to be competitive with young talent and the Royals improved their rotation have given themselves a a shot to to compete in a weakened Central division.
JasonInFL
December 10th, 2012
9:05 am
Good point, Scoots. It’s not like the Royals just completely decimated their farm system. It exists for two reasons: trade for valuable assets and to plug-into the big league club where appropriate. Braves have been doing the same thing for years. Keeping as many as they can and trading others for a big piece when they can.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
9:06 am
No, really?
I meant that only from the standpoint of quantity. The trade was for Myers, and he’s probably as goof-proof as any prospect in the last few years. From the Rays’ standpoint, everybody else in the trade, if they work out, fine. If not, fine.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
9:14 am
As I said yesterday, it was good to see Teheran put together a strong start when he new his bosses were in the house. Great to see he didn’t flop. Not that it mattered in my view though. Trading him off of this year is probably a bad idea as is in terms of selling very low.
CB
December 10th, 2012
9:17 am
So,I guess Gordon is prettymuch off the table also. Bonifacio, here he comes!
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
9:17 am
Unfortunately, as with former Seattle Mariners GM Bill Bavasi and the Erik Bedard deal, trades made under those circumstances often come back around to be the cause of a change in leadership.
I don’t think this is going to be or even has a chance to be as bad as the Erik Bedard deal. Bedard was traded for 5 players and promptly got injured, which isn’t the fault of the front office, but never helps ones case. I don’t see Shields or Price falling injured and providing little to nothing in return for a bunch of prospects.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
9:19 am
and the Royals improved their rotation have given themselves a a shot to to compete in a weakened Central division.
Without giving up a ML position player. Not one. Think about that.
Gordon, Butler, Hosmer, Moustakas, Perez, Escobar, Cain…that’s pretty good core of everyday young players. All of them stayed, and James Shields will pitch in front of them every fifth day. I don’t think you can overestimate what that means to a young offensive group like this one. It’s just an entirely different universe than taking the field and then watching Luke Hochevar warm up.
richbrave
December 10th, 2012
9:19 am
“…..Couch Tater
December 10th, 2012
8:49 am
Royals have some urgency
Dayton Moore’s contract expires in 2014. Looking for a contender to avoid Palookaville……”
There’s something to that.
And i was thinking about personal conceits in the mix also. As in, the BRAVES and RAYS are offering roughly equivalent values foir MYERS. TAMPA’s deal takes us in one direction, the BRAVES slightly different. I don’t want to face WIL MYERS any more than possible. I’ll send him to the AL.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
9:20 am
There comes a time when value means diddly, if you can’t cash some of it in for sustenance.
That system has been producing some hitters. High ranked hitters. They aren’t all panning out as the rankings would suggest, but the pitching, that’s been more miss than hit for them. And you can’t build a contender with 5 rookie pitchers. Need some vets in there. Guys who can eat the innings and lead for the young kids to follow. Probably helps the young position players as well to see a top of the game guy on the mound they get to play behind. The Royals contend for two straight years, and the loss of Myers isn’t going to be in their head. They’ve held on to top ranked prospects in the past and still finished in the bottom.
CB
December 10th, 2012
9:21 am
Supposedly Oakland turned down a trade of Myers for Brett Anderson. Come on now, you have to do that trade. Don’t you?
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
9:21 am
Tampa Bay:
LF Joyce/Guyer, CF Jennings, RF Myers
3B Longoria, SS Escobar, 2B Zobrist, 1B Loney, C Molina, DH Roberts
SP Price, Moore, Hellickson, Niemann, Cobb, Archer, Odorizzi
RP Rodney, Peralta, McGee
Kansas City:
LF Gordon, CF Cain, RF Francouer
3B Moustakas, SS Escobar, 2B Giovatella, 1B Hosmer, C Perez, DH Butler
SP Shields, Guther, Santana, Davis, Mendoza, Hochevar, Chen
RP Holland, Crow, Collins, Coleman, Herrrera
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
9:25 am
but the pitching, that’s been more miss than hit for them
Always is, LOL. Them and everybody else.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
9:29 am
Always is, LOL. Them and everybody else.
Yes. But when I see that, seems the Braves hype the hell out of the Charlie Morton’s of the world, other teams are hyping the David Prices of the world. Gotta weed through the hype. Same way on the hitters side I suppose, but those Royals always seem to be promoting a top 25 position player only to be running out some terrible pitching. Can’t even sign good pitching. Shields gets them to the playoffs or in the hunt, it will be easier for FA’s to view KC as a destination that offers more than steak.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
9:29 am
That takes Alex Gordon out of the picture for the Braves – if he was even ever in it. Just really hoping Emilio Bonifacio or Alejandro De Aza are not the targets. Just awul if that is the case.
Lots of player movement this week, with a big trade last night and Greinke signing with the Dodgers over the weekend. Texas is on the clock now. Be interesting to see what they do.
richbrave
December 10th, 2012
9:31 am
TOM O’HAWKE:
SNARKY PUPPY sounds a bit like a latter-day CRUSADERS group from the late 70’s, early 80’s. Enjoyed.
I still listen to WAYMAN TISDALE on occasion, but haven’t been pushing the edge of jazz much the past couple of years.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
9:33 am
Just really hoping Emilio Bonifacio or Alejandro De Aza are not the targets. Just awul if that is the case.
Replacement-level guys. Giving up trade currency for someone like that, I don’t have a comment scathing enough to fit it.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
9:35 am
Replacement-level guys. Giving up trade currency for someone like that, I don’t have a comment scathing enough to fit it.
Bad way to look at it scoots. If the Braves are targeting these guys, these guys are bumped up into the “premium player” bracket.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
9:38 am
Honestly, I’m happy to see the trade for both teams. Royals get their pitching and Rays get a controllable star prospect for the next 6-7 seasons, at least.
On a farm system note, this boosts the Rays system up as they were down after missing in a few drafts and not doing as much internationally. Royals system goes down quite a bit with Bubba Starling, Kyle Zimmer and Yordano Ventura now their Top 3 prospects, but I’m sure they are okay with that for present value.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Talk of the Braves dealing for Greinke – R.I.P.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
9:41 am
If the Braves are targeting these guys, these guys are bumped up into the “premium player” bracket.
Frankly, if I see someone such as Emilio bleepin’ Bonifacio end up in LF, you’re going to drop into second-place on the Cynics List.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
9:42 am
you’re going to drop into second-place on the Cynics List
Ha!
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
9:43 am
Talk of the Braves dealing for James Shields – R.I.P.
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
9:45 am
We already have a Bonifacio type player on our roster in Constanza. If we are adding him as a bench super utility player then Im all for it. If he’s our starting LF’r then we arent competing for the division. We need an impact bat.
BTW, Im thankful that Dayton Moore isnt our GM.
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
9:48 am
Bonifacio should never be mentioned as a “premium player.”
David O'Brien
December 10th, 2012
9:50 am
Talk of the Braves dealing for James Shields – R.I.P. — Jeff R
There was talk of the Braves dealing for James Shields?
Been pretty clear — or should’ve been — since second-half surges by Medlen and Minor that the Braves wouldn’t be trading for a starting pitcher. And then Wren came right out and said it after season, noting their priorities and how good they felt about their starting-pitching depth.
So any lingering talk about them pursuing Greinke or Shields or anyone else wasn’t coming from the Braves. And it certainly wasn’t coming from me.
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
9:51 am
Bill James Projections…
Bonifacio – .275/.336/.350 45SB (595AB)
Constanza – .285/.344/.344 21SB (418AB)
He’s already on our roster. Id rather give Gattis and Fransisco some AB’s over these two.
David O'Brien
December 10th, 2012
9:53 am
Talk of the Braves dealing for Greinke – R.I.P. — Jeff R
Yes, this is quite a surprise (rolls eyes).
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
9:57 am
BenBadler I like when people say Wil Myers is no sure thing, as if the future performance of James Shields or any other baseball player is guaranteed.
But doesn’t Shields having been pretty friggin awesome for a while count moreso than Myers? And I’m a huge prospect hugger, but the Royals are getting pounded too harshly in my opinion.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:04 am
Rays/Royals trade….excellent exchange for both teams.
Ty Wiggington, Scott Podsednik, Chone Figgins…….all solid bench guys still flapping in the wind.
Mako
December 10th, 2012
10:06 am
The Braves aren’t competing for the division with Francisco or Constanza as starters either. So they’re screwed either way
Juan
December 10th, 2012
10:10 am
DOB…DId you know if FW went to the DR to see Julio Pitch yesterday? He Pitch a Gem .
Murph
December 10th, 2012
10:10 am
Myers? Myers??
Well…. crap.
Looking around at what’s rumored to be available, I’ll take Francisco or Gattis, thank you very much. Nothing but crap and castoffs out there now. Don’t need either.
I’m disappointed that the Braves didn’t make a play for Myers, but it’s not worth crying about. The kid wasn’t a safe bet, and the Braves carry enough risk as is without piling more on top.
My non-doom and gloom opening day lineup is:
1. Simmons
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Upton
5. Freeman
6. Uggla
7. BMac
8. Francisco
That’s a lot of pop 3-8… more than a lot of lineups out there can claim. Works for me.
I do think Simmons will be given every opportunity to win the leadoff spot in ST. Prado fits too well in the 2nd spot, and Simmons is a gamer… he’ll win the job, not be handed the job.
I think the battle between Gattis and Francisco for the final starting spot will actually be a good one. Look for a similar situation as the one we had between Simmons and Pastornicky last year. I’d bet that Gattis finds his way onto the MLB roster before the all star break.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:10 am
Well, maybe if the Braves were looking for a solid bench guy. But they already opretty well have their bench filled out except for maybe adding Mejia.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:11 am
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
9:51 am
Bill James Projections…
Bonifacio – .275/.336/.350 45SB (595AB)
Constanza – .285/.344/.344 21SB (418AB)
He’s already on our roster. Id rather give Gattis and Fransisco some AB’s over these two.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Comparing PeeWee Herman to Dr. Seuss are we????
PuddyCat
December 10th, 2012
10:11 am
AJC, Twitter, MLB Network, MLB Radio, Scout.com and MLB.com have made this the best and most informative offseason ever. So thank you DOB for your due deligence and persistent coverage
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:13 am
Pee Wee Herman is not comparable to Dr. Suess.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
10:13 am
So any lingering talk about them pursuing Greinke or Shields or anyone else wasn’t coming from the Braves. And it certainly wasn’t coming from me.
Indeed, DOB. The chatter was from fans and posters here. There are a lot of wheeler-dealers on ye olde blog.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:15 am
Where’s TOBF this morning? The shock of not signing Greinke finally too much for him?
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:15 am
We missed winning the Division by five games, Frank Wrens sense of urgency………..
Still MIA.
Murph
December 10th, 2012
10:17 am
Supposedly Oakland turned down a trade of Myers for Brett Anderson. Come on now, you have to do that trade. Don’t you?
If they were willing to trade Anderson for Myers, makes you wonder if they would have taken Delgado for Myers… I mean, Frank traded Delgado for 3 months of Dempster, seems like trading Delgado for 6 or 7 years of Myers would have been a gamble worth pursuing.
But what do I know? Games, sopapillas, and deer…
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:18 am
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:13 am
Pee Wee Herman is not comparable to Dr. Suess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Exactly my friend. Neither is Constanza to Bonifacio.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:18 am
Or is he out circulating a petition to trade O’Flaherty and Maholm?
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:20 am
Coach – NO, he’s not.
I’m fine with Francisco and Gattis out there adding even more thunder to a very thunderous lineup. Lots of strikeouts, Home Runs and doubles going to be raining down on The Ted this summer.
old man
December 10th, 2012
10:21 am
Everyone wants to do a deal for a big upgrade in LF, but if what we have on hand is a 4 or 5, and we don’t have acceptable deals for an 8 or 9 option, there are limits to what we will trade or pay for an option that is only a 5 or 6.
If all we had on hand was a 2 or 3, we would make some of those deals, but it’s not. Those who say our current options are pure crap are overselling that point. At the end of the day, if we make no move at all, it will be because our current assets, combined with the state of the FA and trade markets, dictate it. It won’t be a reason to get into a blame game.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
10:21 am
Neither is Constanza to Bonifacio.
Comparing the size of the piles of dog-doo, is all that is. Regardless of any other defining characteristics, when you come right down to cases, it’s still just…dog-doo.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:23 am
A sense of urgency is a lot less important than a trade partner who has the players you want as is willing to trade them for what you’re willing to give up in return.
old man
December 10th, 2012
10:25 am
It would be kind of cool to see Gattis and Francisco carry us. To me, there is some enjoyment factor there, that you wouldn’t get from just opening your wqllet and paying 20M to a FA.
ncbravesfan90
December 10th, 2012
10:26 am
We are going to sign/trade for a left fielder, that’s all there is to it. We will not go into Spring Training with a payroll comittment of $83 mil. That just won’t happen. I’m sure Wren knows he can’t start the year with Constanza/Gattis in LF, he knows that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:27 am
can I post now???
Great trade for the Royals, turned them into contenders imo. Just added 13 wins to the team, they’ll be in the 85-88 range. May need just 1 more starter at the deadline though…
Rays, they get a good young stud, the RH, more powerful version of Heyward. He’ll be a good ‘un. Oridizzi as well, good addition to their farm. Feel sorry for the kid though, gotta play on that awful turf.
Next year, we gotta get Price. Beat this package somehow…
old man
December 10th, 2012
10:28 am
If that happened, it would do a lot more to renew your faith in mankind, at several different levels.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
10:28 am
I’m still scratching my head at them having interest in Ben Revere…for LF. Ben Revere, whose defense is practically his entire game for Left Field.
Awful. Glad they didn’t make that move.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
10:28 am
DOB There was talk of the Braves dealing for James Shields?
yes, lots. right here on the ol’ DOB/MIB. we can scratch that, and greinke, off of the list of topics.were gonna have to have a couple of days or WAR discussion to fill space. where’s shaun?
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:29 am
ncscoots…….never played the game
Brava
December 10th, 2012
10:29 am
DOB…DId you know if FW went to the DR to see Julio Pitch yesterday? He Pitch a Gem .
Juan, yes. I watched a podcast of the game yesterday and they showed Frank and Fredi in the bleachers.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:29 am
and they didn’t give up 1 MLB player… we need to fix our farm.
Sorry, Lew, did ya miss me? for some reason, posts from my phone aren’t going through…. finally can use my computer
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
10:30 am
never played the game
A lot more than you, Coach, pretty safe to say.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:31 am
Or is he out circulating a petition to trade O’Flaherty and Maholm?
What’s the point of moving Maholm now? We’re not adding a SP. I’d still wish we shop EOF though…
Juan
December 10th, 2012
10:32 am
Thanks Brava…..Did you have the Link of that Game?
Brava
December 10th, 2012
10:35 am
Juan, no sorry. Someone had posted it on Twitter. It was a live feed.
DAP
December 10th, 2012
10:35 am
i actually think the royals did pretty good on this one, although i can understand how it must hurt to trade a top prospect like meyers. bottom line is, royals are in a winnable division, even as bad as they have been recently. the AL central is there for the taking, and i believe the royals actually have a shot, with a handful of decent pitching, and an offense that just might go off.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:35 am
y’all did see that Juan is skinny now? Whoever said he hadn’t lost the weight lied…. looking good. Just needs to apply that discipline to the plate now… if he is a starter, put him in LF. Prado needs to go to 3B
Still concerned about the rotation, but eh, hopefully the guys step up. Offense could use a good addition to make it deadly, but not all that necessary I guess. Still, Choo for Teheran!
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:35 am
Brava – Yep, they sure did. Teheran looked pretty good, too – at least through the sixth – which is as far as I watched. Did he go further than that?
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
10:37 am
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
NL exec: “I saw Shields four times in Sept. Between his stuff, pitchability and stamina that rivals Halladay’s, he certainly is a No. 1.”
Not sure I’d call Shields(or Greinke) a #1 starter. But if there is a picture for the definition of “Strong #2 starter” – both Shields and Greinke’s kodaks are right there.
Brava
December 10th, 2012
10:37 am
No, Lew. He only pitched the 6 innings.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
10:39 am
Yep, they sure did. Teheran looked pretty good, too – at least through the sixth – which is as far as I watched
Lew, did they show the velocity readings during the start? Any thoughts on his breaking ball? Did he use the slider? Much appreciated.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:39 am
Woulda liked to see Myers for Shields straight up though… that would have been a good trade, and that’d have been a contender (Rays) trading an established vet for 1 prospect (Myers). But getting Wade Davis as well is pretty good.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Where does Olt go now, if not for Shields? Dickey? EOF and Teheran/Maholm for Olt would be nice…
David O'Brien
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
DOB…DId you know if FW went to the DR to see Julio Pitch yesterday? He Pitch a Gem
Yes, they were there all weekend, Frank, Fredi and a couple other front-office guys.
brian
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
getting Olt or trying to get Tampa to flip Myers would of course be very nice. Realistic? Who knows but nice absolutely
CB
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
TOBF, let me say I am also glad you are not our GM with some of your trade thoughts. See, I said it kindly without having to call you names. Although, you may deserve a couple.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Efrim – I couldn’t read anything they put on the screen during the play except for names, so I can’t tell you about velocity. The breaking ball was moving when he kept it down in the zone – they seemed to be fishing- and he only gave up one hit. He started getting a bit out of the zone and up in the sixth, but the worst they did to him was hit a drive to deep left to end the sixth – but I missed a fair amount, too.
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Coach Im not trying to compare anyone. Im just pointing out that there is zero reason for Bonifacio to be a starter on this team. Super sub yes, like an Infante role from a couple of years ago.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
10:46 am
EOF and Teheran/Maholm for Olt would be nice…
This will not come to passeth, either.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:47 am
I have my moments CB, when I do go wild.
But still, I think Teheran for Choo is pretty fair, noles and Va agree, so I ain’t alone. Plus, hang onto him 1 more year, he has to go to AAA again, and he blows, his trade value goes poof. Either, we believe that he’ll find himself once again in AAA, or we move him now.
I’ve always been a bigger fan of RD anyway. And Wood should be ready by mid 2014…
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
10:48 am
I’m sure Wren knows he can’t start the year with Constanza/Gattis/Bonifacio in LF, he knows that.
Fixed that for you
CB
December 10th, 2012
10:51 am
TOBF,I don’t care who agreed with you that Teheran foe one year of Choo is a good trade. You are all wrong.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:51 am
And yes, it looked like the slider as opposed to the curve the way it was breaking.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
10:51 am
Thanks, Lew. It’s good to see Teheran just have some strong performances in a row. Been a long time.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
10:52 am
Thanks, Lew. It’s good to see Teheran just have some strong performances in a row. Been a long time.
From somewhere, I forget where:
Over his last three starts, the 21 year-old has pitched 16.2 scoreless innings with only two hits allowed, 4 walks, and 15 strikeouts. When he does things like that, we’re reminded that he was, and probably still is, one of the top pitching prospects in baseball.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:52 am
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Coach Im not trying to compare anyone. Im just pointing out that there is zero reason for Bonifacio to be a starter on this team. Super sub yes, like an Infante role from a couple of years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Fredi Gonzalez just laughed, gagged on his coffee and smiled
unbelievable
December 10th, 2012
10:53 am
I wouldnt give up 6 years of Teheran for one year of Choo. Its an overpay.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Yes, that it has. Love to see him throwing like he did in 2011.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Talking Chop @gondeee
Teheran w/ good control on FB & velo at 93-95. Change is spot-on too, 80mph w/ good break & deception.
That from Martin Gandy.
I don’t care who agreed with you that Teheran foe one year of Choo is a good trade. You are all wrong.
Totally agree. It’s so far off-base and it’s bothersome to see it 20 times a day on the blog. Pick some other prospects or something. Not often you see someone happy to trade the top prospect in the organization for a one year rental.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 10th, 2012
10:55 am
Teheran for 1yr of Choo (at 7mil)+ Top40 pick… seems fair to me. I mean, 2 years of a likely to decline Willingham is supposedly worth Teheran… may take even a bit more than that.
We’re taking away the Indians chance to rob some desperate team at the deadline, and get the pick for themself. They can do much better than Spruill or Gilmartin for that pick.
A guy who hits .307/.400/.514/.914 against RHP, has a .340 OBP vs lefties, and a career 132 OPS+ for his career. Certainly a premium player.
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
Teheran foe one year of Choo…
A steal – in blog fantasy terms.
Juan
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
Here link of the Dominican Newspaper with Juan francisco Photo ….he look slim
http://www.elnacional.com.do/deportes/2012/12/5/143592/Juan-Francisco-da-dos-planazos
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
I’d rather see Franccisco at third and Prado in LF – for defensive purposes – Martin was excellent out there and Juan ain’t played out there in Lord knows how long and he looked pretty good at third and should have a bit more range with the slimmer look, I’d imagine..
Juan
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
Here link of the Dominican Newspaper with Juan francisco Photo ….he look slim
http://www.elnacional.com.do/deportes/2012/12/5/143592/Juan-Francisco-da-dos-planazos
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
10:30 am
never played the game
A lot more than you, Coach, pretty safe to say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…
You’re right, I never got into strat-o-matic
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
10:57 am
TOBF – Not to say I told you so, but most of us tried to say that Greinke wasn’t going to come close to signing for the amount you kept estimation.
Lew
December 10th, 2012
10:59 am
Seems fair to you? And you have proven to be so accurate in your estimations this winter, haven’t you?
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
10:59 am
I’d rather see Franccisco at third and Prado in LF – for defensive purposes – Martin was excellent out there and Juan ain’t played out there in Lord knows how long and he looked pretty good at third and should have a bit more range with the slimmer look, I’d imagine..
Wren’s got plenty of time to swing a deal for a left-fielder. I wouldn’t go penciling in Francisco at third or Constanza in left just yet.
raleighbravefan
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
When you see what these guys are going for, you should be able to understand why Wren has not pulled the trigger.
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Teheran for 1yr of Choo (at 7mil)+ Top40 pick… seems fair to me. I mean, 2 years of a likely to decline Willingham is supposedly worth Teheran… may take even a bit more than that.
I never said six years of Teheran for Willingham was fair and honestly, that 2nd year of control is very valuable. If Choo was locked up for two years at a reasonable rate then the conversation changes which is something you aren’t getting in this scenario. Also, would the Braves who just gave up their first rounder and spent $75 million dollars on Upton, trade for #1 prospect for their last need and that player being a one year stop gap? I don’t think so. Just does not pass the smell test.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
That from Martin Gandy.
Unfortunately, what you can’t know from the box score is the important stuff. How’s he getting outs? Are the Ks looking or swinging and what pitches produce the Ks? Is the breaking ball just show-me or is it actually accomplishing something in the AB?
Jeff R
December 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Here link of the Dominican Newspaper with Juan francisco Photo ….he look slim
I believe Marie Osmond is Francisco’s fat-off trainer.
ncscoots
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
You’re right, I never got into strat-o-matic
Man, I was death on Strat-O-Matic.
Too.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
Teheran for 1yr of Choo (at 7mil)+ Top40 pick… seems fair to me. I mean, 2 years of a likely to decline Willingham is supposedly worth Teheran… may take even a bit more than that.
Where are you getting this garbage from?
Efrim
December 10th, 2012
11:04 am
How’s he getting outs? Are the Ks looking or swinging and what pitches produce the Ks? Is the breaking ball just show-me or is it actually accomplishing something in the AB?
Yup and very important when it comes to Teheran, based on his down minor league year.
TennesseePaul
December 10th, 2012
11:06 am
Not sure I’d call Shields(or Greinke) a #1 starter. But if there is a picture for the definition of “Strong #2 starter” – both Shields and Greinke’s kodaks are right there.
Tim Hudson.