4:03 pm December 4, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 8th, 201212:06 pm
I would like SWISHER in LF,but not seeing it happening.
December 8th, 201212:08 pm
Well, If Santa actually existed George_George, Swisher would have been my request from the beginning.
December 8th, 201212:10 pm
Sources indicate to @Sullivan_Ranger that @Rangers could trade 7-time All-Star Michael Young to @Phillies today: http://atmlb.com/XCjU4T
Shame to see Young go to the Philly. EOF for Young straight up might have got it done (maybe kick in prospect), and the Rangers are eating more than half of the salary. Would have been a good way to keep Prado in LF and add veteran presence to the team. Young in the 2 spot behind simmons/prado would have been nice.
December 8th, 201212:11 pm
If Wren is only looking at smaller pieces now I think Emilio Bonifacio would be a great fit. He would give us a leadoff option when he does start. Blazing speed and can play all OF spots along with 2B,3B, and even SS.
Now he isn’t a ideal everyday player, but in 2011 he did play 152 games and produced good numbers. So we could roll the dice and give him the job and if not he’s valuable utility player who can help us.
296/360/393 OPS+ 107 38 XBH with 40 SB
We would have a combo of Francisco, Johnson, Bonifacio, and Gattis to figure out opposite of Prado each night.
December 8th, 201212:12 pm
I’m still wary about the Phils. Even with Young, and adding their only Arb eligible, Bastardo (1.1 mil), that leaves Amaro with about $44.0 mil available without getting into the luxury tax.
Plenty for a SP, bullpen help and a LF
December 8th, 201212:14 pm
Michael Young is toast in my opinion.
December 8th, 201212:15 pm
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Baseball source confirms @JonHeymanCBS report that Ryan Ludwick has 2-yr, $15M deal with #reds pending physical.
December 8th, 201212:19 pm
I don’t see all of Johnson, Francisco, Bonifacio and Gattis all on the roster together – too many bench players there with Janis and if they added someone like Mejia to sub at first.
December 8th, 201212:20 pm
I would like to know what the asking price for Willingham is. They didn’t seem to be demanding exorbitant prices for Span or Revere. But, Willingham is a different animal and his production for his contract is off the charts. I just like seeing this:
That’s a sweet lineup. Will K a lot, but would score plenty of runs.
December 8th, 201212:21 pm
Span has some real solid numbers and everything I’ve read here and other places say he’s a real good fielded, too. Wow the Nats got a good one. I really think Wren missed out there. Choo is another one that seems a perfect fit for what we need. Again, Wren will miss out.
How can a fan not be at least a little frustrated right now?
December 8th, 201212:22 pm
It’s only a one yr deal for Young at a cost of $5.0. The Rangers are picking up $11.0 mil of his salary.
It’s a sweet deal for the Phils as a stopgap measure
C’mon DOB answer the hard questions. Like if you were forced to guess based on what you may/may not have heard, who will be the Braves LF’er next season? — BravePack
A. That’s not a “hard question” by any means; and B. I’m not forced to guess.
Would it matter if I guessed and just say, off the top of my head, Emilio Bonifacio? If that makes you feel better, then go with that as my guess.
And if you ask me again tomorrow, or later today, it’ll probably change. Because situations change, it’s a very fluid environment in baseball at this time of year. Hence the pointless exercise of me guessing who’ll be in LF when the Braves have a lot of situations they’re involved in and there are various ways they could go — some involving players they already have — depending upon who they’re able to add.
S LF Bonifacio
R 3B Prado
L RF Heyward
L 1B Freeman
R CF Upton
L C McCann
R 2B Uggla
R SS Simmons
R OF Johnson
R C Laird
L 3B Francisco
R SS Janish
5th spot will likely be between Gattis, Pastornicky, Mejia, or free agent pickup
R Delgado or Teheran
December 8th, 201212:26 pm
VaBravesFan, I think I would put Upton in between J-Hey and Free for the righty/lefty thing with that lineup, but I would be okay with it. I like mine better though.
December 8th, 201212:30 pm
Lots of K’s, lots of runs in that lineup.
December 8th, 201212:33 pm
Braves lineup is set to where they really need a good leadoff hitter. Especially with a perfect number 2 hitter in Prado behind him and now that you’ve added even more strikeouts to the lineup with BJ, but more power as well.
You aren’t going into the season with sh** ass platoon for leftfield. If they Ri then I say prepare for a lot of frustrated fans. I know I’ll be one of them. I like R.Johnson too, but for the bench.
I’d like to bat Upton cleanup but he’s isn’t that type of player, not a legit leadoff man either, but he’s certainly paid to be like 1 of those guys.
December 8th, 201212:35 pm
You haven’t added more strikeouts with Upton – you’ve offset Bourn’s.
December 8th, 201212:36 pm
Young woulda been great for not striking out and getting on base. 1 year removed from AL leader for hits and a .380 OBP.
December 8th, 201212:37 pm
There isn’t but one deal I would make.call the Cubs and do a one for one swap… Uggla for Soriano. Prado to second and Juan at 3rd
This is why I’ve been steering a little more clear of the baseball offseason this year. I get mad ad heck and usually say things here I regret lol. So pieces fall at different times that the knee jerk reactions always happen.
December 8th, 201212:40 pm
Upton’s best career OPS is from the 2-hole and 2nd best is hitting cleanup.
December 8th, 201212:44 pm
Braves name change just released
We wouldn’t be rambling on so much about needing a everyday LFer if Dan Uggla would play to expectations and his paycheck. He would easily be my cleanup batter if we could depend on him.
We paid for a guy to hit 260/350/490 30 HR while playing 155+ Games for us. But that just hasn’t been the case. Atleast in 2011 he slugged over 450 with 36 HR, and in 2012 he walked a ton… But overall a 227 AVG and 750 OPS, I mean that’s only almost 90 points less than where he was at before he came to ATL. Lots of production missing for 13 million a season.
2011 36 HR 450 SLG
2012 18 HR 350 OBP
2013 ???????? Possible Cliff? Repeat of 11 or 12? Or will he combine both and rebound?
December 8th, 201212:45 pm
You still add more strikeouts with BJ. Whoever is the new LF will strikeout some.
December 8th, 201212:50 pm
BRAVES 40-man adds and other moves in this off-season
RHSP ZEKE SPRUILL
RHSP DAVID HALE
RHSP AARON NORTHCRAFT
LHRP JUAN JAIME
RHRP JORDAN WALDEN – HANSON trade
RHRP CORY RASMUS
C CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT
SS PAUL JANISH – 1 year contract
1B/LF ERNESTO MEJIA
2B/3B BLAKE DeWITT – former 1st round pick DODGERS 2004
CF “B.J.” UPTON – FA acquisition
LF REED JOHNSON – 1 year contract with option year
Minors signings some with ST invites.
C/LF MATT KENNELLY
C JOSE YEPEZ
C MATT PAGNOZZI
LF/RF JORDAN PARRAZ
1B/3B CHRIS GARCIA
Who did I miss? WREN’s been busy although some here would agree not busy enough. But FRANK isn’t one to shove a square peg…… Personally, he’s been busy enough for me.
December 8th, 201212:51 pm
Uggs is done. I said it last year. He shows no desire to change anyhting he is doing and much of that is wrong. He’ll occassionally run into a ball and hit a HR but it’ll be about 20 or so again with the same or more Ks and less walks next year.
December 8th, 201212:52 pm
Dang it! RHRP DAVID CARPENTER added to the 40-man. Waiver pick-up from the RED SOX.
BJ Upton has been a 242/316 hitter over the past 4 years, not sure how you’d want him batting anywhere 1-6 to be honest lol. Homeruns and Steals are nice but come on… We really gotta hope the guy can improve those numbers.
Hell I honestly think even Juan Francisco could produce a 242/216 AVG/OBP with 25 HR if he played everyday also…
DOB, still think FW has several irons in the fire?
December 8th, 201212:54 pm
December 8th, 201212:56 pm
Nah, Uggs isn’t done. I think he can still rebound. Man, if he had a year like his last year in FL, wow.
Francisco would hit 25 HRs if he played everyday. Unfortunately, he would lead the league in Es at 3B and be close to the lead in Ks at probably 180 to 200 and maybe 40 walks.
He would solidify the Kraves spot as the team with the most Ks for the year.
December 8th, 201212:57 pm
VaBravesFan mentioned yesterday he would’ve traded Teheran straight up for Span and his 3 years of control. I agree.
December 8th, 201212:58 pm
Atleast Uggla was able to do something well each year. I’d prefer the 450 SLG and 36 HR, instead of a ton of walks and a 350 OBP
December 8th, 20121:00 pm
Uggs OPS by year:
Of course, we all know the last 2 have been with us. I still think there is a very, very good chance he gets back to the .815-.850 range.
December 8th, 20121:01 pm
Nats will be a force. Span adds a lot more to an already solid lineup and Haren will be better than Jackson. They aren’t done. They’ll get a back end RP to replace Burnett and chances are he could be even better than he was since they could trade Morse for one.
We can hope for a wild card again. Get on the ball Wren. More than BJ freakin Upton and Reed is needed.
I was just using Francisco to make a point about BJ Upton. Francisco would likely produce the same numbers as Upton if he played everyday minus the stolen bases.
December 8th, 20121:02 pm
At this point, I think I would have traded Teheran for Span straight up too. I just don’t believe in his potential anymore. Never would have said that a year ago, but he has regressed. I think that’s part of the problem FW is having…I don’t think other teams value Teheran as highly as 1) we do, or 2) as much as they did a year ago. He is no longer thought of as a legit centerpiece to a trade package. Maybe?
December 8th, 20121:04 pm
I hope the optimism some of you have is warranted and i’m wrong. I just look at his dead pull, dropping his back side swing over and over and I am admittedly very pesimistic to the point that I don’t give him a snow balls chance in you know where.
You heard it hear first. BJ will have a good year:
.270 25 90 .340 .815
December 8th, 20121:06 pm
We really need Upton to produce what you just posted. Get back up around a 260 AVG and 340 OBP and maintain his power and he’s in good shape. Also with having so much money still, Wonder why Wren backloaded the contract? It’s not like were using all the remaining money we have. They should pay him more this season instead of paying him so much in the last year….
December 8th, 20121:08 pm
December 8th, 20121:09 pm
I think Francisco would make Upton look like Chipper as far as making contact on a daily basis.
The problem with guys like him and several of our guys is that they’ll have an occassional great game. Hit a couple of HRs drive in 4 or 5 in a game that is already won but then they’ll strand guys and do nothing for days on end with zero productive outs. Their overall stats as far as HRs, RBIs will look ok but their is zero consistency.
I’m sorry. I know I’m down on them now and no fun to correspoond with but I see nothing we are doing thats going to make us get better.
I am feeling optimistic again…my little period of negativity is over…FW will NOT go into next year with Francisco, Schafer, Gattis, or Constanza in the starting lineup.
December 8th, 20121:12 pm
I know this is crazy, but hear me out. What if FW did include Minor in a trade for Willingham and then turned around and signed Lohse? Just spitballing, y’all…
December 8th, 20121:13 pm
Prob still too expensive…Lohse going to get 15+?
December 8th, 20121:14 pm
Would be a bold move, but to begin with the money isn’t right. Wouldn’t work.
Add Willingham’s 7 million salary and then sign Lohse who will easily get atleast 10 million a season.
December 8th, 20121:16 pm
I would like to see GATTIS on roster, then you would have 3rd player who could play catcher in case FREDI wanted to use a catcher to PH.
December 8th, 20121:17 pm
Yeah, you are right VaBravesFan.
It takes money and/or prospects to get what we need and we have both. Wren is just waiting for it too cost less on the prospect side. Just about every single trade target out there we can afford to take on there salary. Anyone making 12-13 million or less in 2013 we can afford.
Someone like Curtis Granderson who is available makes 15 million in 2013, so the Yanks would have to include a few million or more for us to make a deal.
December 8th, 20121:19 pm
If the Yanks truly are watching payroll, they may be willing to move Granderson. I don’t think they wil move Gardner because he is only costing, what, 2.35 mill? Too lazy to lookup exact number.
Could get your wish. Here’s our bench
December 8th, 20121:20 pm
2.85 million with 150k incentives for Brett Gardner.
December 8th, 20121:21 pm
I can’t see Janish on the bench. He needs to play to stay sharp defensively and he can’t hit well enough to pinch hit. Gwinnett bound I hope!
December 8th, 20121:24 pm
He will be on our bench, I don’t think they would pay 1 million to keep him and put him in AAA. But on the other hand if Simmons can handle playing 150+ games I really don’t see the need for that type of backup shortstop. But Janish can also play 3B and 2B if needed.
December 8th, 20121:41 pm
Thanks, VaBravesFan. I don’t think the Yanks are trading him if they are in cost cutting mode.
December 8th, 20121:42 pm
Lindblom, Bonilla and $5 million is actually a pretty good return for Michael Young – who just isn’t all that good anymore.
December 8th, 20121:45 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Different view of #Angels: In ‘12, Hanson/Blanton about equaled Haren/Santana – and will cost much less in ‘13. Story: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-angels-pitching-moves-make-more-sense-than-people-think-120812 …
Braves Top 10 prospects from Baseball America comes out on Monday. The excitement is killing me…..
December 8th, 20121:47 pm
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale
Breaking: The #Phillies deal is done. They get third baseman Michael Young from #Texas
It’s official…Phils get Young.
December 8th, 20121:48 pm
They had to bribe him.
Young agreed to be traded to #phillies after receiving $1.2 million in benefits. #rangers
Brave timely as always!
December 8th, 20121:49 pm
Young agreed to the deal after getting the $1.2 million in benefits and getting full no-trade clause.
December 8th, 20121:50 pm
Young also told #Phillies in negotiations that he did not want an extension #rangers
December 8th, 20121:51 pm
Nope, he will go back to the Ranges as a bench player after and retire there.
*Brave timely as always…
December 8th, 20121:52 pm
What the hell…Brava…timely as always. This isn’t even autocorrect…
December 8th, 20121:54 pm
Just an awful move for Philly and I have not been impressed so far with their offseason. They still need another outfielder, a primary RH reliever and perhaps even a starting pitcher. They have payroll space, so it’ll be interesting to see if they get involved on Swisher, Hamilton or maybe even Bourn. Plenty of relievers out there for them to hand a ridiculous multi-year contract.
I knew what you meant, Jason. Thanks.
December 8th, 20121:55 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#rangers will pay well more than half toward youngs $16M salary, understandable after his off 2012 season
December 8th, 20121:58 pm
Young was trade for relievers Josh Lindblom and Lisalberto Bonilla.
December 8th, 20122:05 pm
Yanks need a 3rd basemen. How about trading Francisco to the Yanks for Gardner? Probably have to throw in something else but it would solve the lead off problem. An outfield of Gardner, Upton and J Hey would be solid defensively
Gilmartin’s a keeper; those of you rushing to trade him will be disappointed later on. He’s not flashy, but he’s solid and extremely well composed. If we keep him I think he’ll be an important cog in the rotation for years….The Grinch
nah, didn’t even think much of him when he was a ‘nole. all floor and very little ceiling. toss him in the ring for somebody who can hit
December 8th, 20122:07 pm
.The Rangers are picking up $10 mil of Youngs $16 mil salary
December 8th, 20122:13 pm
Gardner wouldn’t be the worst options…just don’t think the Yanks are trading him.
December 8th, 20122:14 pm
I’m not too worried about Young to the Phils. He looked terrible last year and his numbers were terrible in a great hitters park. I think he is winding down.
December 8th, 20122:15 pm
Man, I am on fire today with the ol’ typing skills…
December 8th, 20122:19 pm
Agreed on Young. It’s a one year stopgap for the Phils, which confirms my belief, that the Braves better lock up Prado, because if they don’t the Phils will be all in on him in FA
December 8th, 20122:34 pm
so Bonifacio is the new definition of “premium” huh???
December 8th, 20122:38 pm
@Hillbilly: Sorry; I got sidetracked. The deer are EVERYWHERE here, man. They’re a nuisance. I got a family of ‘em living in my yard (if it wasn’t for the gf b*tching they’d be in the freezer). C’mon over and get you a few extra.
With the money that has been spent in FA on players this year, I think the word “premium” may need to be redefined – HA!
December 8th, 20122:40 pm
Or maybe. just like ice cream, we’ll have “premium” and “super premium”
Phils look old.
As others have said, I bet they finish third again.
December 8th, 20122:56 pm
Totally agree. He isn’t someone you just can’t trade – that’s crazy. I think there is a good reason why the Braves haven’t made a deal yet and it’s because teams want Randall Delgado or Julio Teheran, not the Sean Gilmartin or Zeke Spruill’s of the world. A lot of teams have arms like that whose floor is high and can probably pitch at the back of a rotation. Risk is okay. You win with stars.
December 8th, 20122:59 pm
I have solved our problem.
Reed Johnson plays all away games in LF, Prado plays 3B.
At home, Francisco plays 3B, Prado is in LF.
Here are Francisco’s home splits, Johnson’s away splits.
Johnson, away: .327/.376/.451/.827
Francisco, home: .298/.341/.536/.876
Compare Choo: .283/.373/.441/.815
Compare Gordon: .294/.368/.455/.822
Compare J.Upton: .280/.355/.430/.785
December 8th, 20123:05 pm
I say Juan Franwhiffco and Bad Job (of a hitter) Upton are quiet similar minus the SB… get laughed at. Va says it, and it’s taken as truth. I see how it is! Maybe BJ will improve the average, but seriously, he’s just a RH Francisco. And he strikes out more than Bourn does…
December 8th, 20123:11 pm
are those last years stats or career? Still want Choo, he crushes RHP harder than any player we currently have. Elite OBP skills, gets on base nearly 40% of the time. Trade Teheran so he cant burn us (and Choo plus the draft pick in 2014 is worth him anyway) and climb aboard the Choo-Choo Train!
December 8th, 20123:16 pm
Mets 3rd…. well, if they can get an Outfielder…
Top10 on Monday, eh? Would be nice to see Graham #1 he may be our best… if RD was a spect hed be 2. TRex 3. My hope is
Graham, Teheran, Wood, Sims, Bethancourt for the top 5. Maybe Terdo instead…
December 8th, 20123:19 pm
the only thing Choo does not do is hit lefties for power. He is content to try not to make outs against them which is a smart approach. His career OBP against LHers is about 340, which is higher than a bunch of RHers do.
He would make a great leadoff hitter, very high OBP overall with 20 steal speed and perhaps 20 homer pop. He would create a lot of runs early in the lineup
December 8th, 20123:20 pm
unfortunately we ain’t getting him…
December 8th, 20123:23 pm
Don’t say never, Noles! Maybe FW will do a jedi mind trick on the Indians and get them to take Gilmartin.
December 8th, 20123:24 pm
Wonder who else is in on Swish. The only offer I have seen referenced is the Indians at 4/48-50
December 8th, 20123:26 pm
With the very defensively talented Simmons at SS and the money owed Mr. Universe want to be Uggs at 2nd when would Janish ever play if he were on the roster. He is good defensively but he isn’t any better than Simmons and as sorry as Uggla is offensively he isn’t a guy you have to get out of the game defensively for fear of him blowing it out there.
Janish simply can’t hit. Thats why he has been a career minor leaguer for the most part. If he doesn’t play daily those defensive skills will slip. I hope he is a regular in Gwinnett and an insurance policy in case of injury.
Imagine we need a hit in the ninth with thewinning run at 2nd and 2 out and our last position guy,pinch hitter, is Janish. Those spots are too valuable for a defensive speccialist. IMO. You are right about the 1 million though. We signed BJ for 20 milliion more thqan the next offer so you can never tell what they are thinking.
December 8th, 20123:27 pm
Woops – Sorry about that double
December 8th, 20123:31 pm
TOBF, those are 2012 splits. The home/away platoon was a little tongue in cheek, but it would be “totally cray cray” (as my 6th grader says) if it worked. I don’t think it has ever been done.
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