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Lew
December 7th, 2012
3:24 pm
Bethancourt can’t be trade for someone we need now nbecause of the up in the air nature of our long term catching situation? Excuse me, but that’s pure unaduterated crap.
Bethancourt figures to be a good defensie catcher with absolutely no offenseive plaus side to him at all and IF we need to replace McCann next year (likely, but you never know), Bethancourt isn’t an integral part of any solution. With Mac’s money coming off the books, I’m relatively certain we could find a good defensive catcher with MLB experience who we KNOW can hit better than Betancourt and still have enough money left over for other needs.
A few extra Caught Stealing doesn’t equate to Elite.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:24 pm
Gorkys played in the majors last year.
Really? Was it on a contender?
Seriously, I didn’t know that. Good for him.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
Will he pan out or turn into a lefty Kyle Davies?
Or even a lefty Charlie Morton, LOL. Heck, I thought the world of Davies and Morton both.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
Ef, It’d be me, steady as a rock, firm, on a solid foundation. Not trying to “pull one over” on any one, but laughing as you try to squirm out with an excuse. I believe I even suggested “filler” would be added in such a trade if it were to happen, but believe that it would not even happen because the Braves were/are seeking major league talent.
Bay Area Steve
December 7th, 2012
3:27 pm
“Now you need a name.”
And a slogan: Our group never takes a break. Even if you really, really want us to.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:28 pm
Bethancourt can’t be trade for someone we need now nbecause of the up in the air nature of our long term catching situation?
Kind of like the Braves and Wren wanting to acquire a 1B for Mark Teixiera because they didn’t have anyone who could play that position. Then we get Kotch and Marek instead of two draft picks.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:28 pm
Was it on a contender?
He is being shuffled around the bottom of the industry. From the Pirates, to the Marlins during the summer purge.
Pirates obtained Gaby Sanchez and a minor leaguer for Gorkys and a draft pick.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:30 pm
I thought the world of Davies and Morton both.
I can understand Davies…. not so much on Morton. Though, something about Morton … seems like a prelude to Beachy…. with Beachy fulfilling all the Morton promise.
flange1
December 7th, 2012
3:31 pm
BAS,
Just keeping the idea alive for you!
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:31 pm
Then we get Kotch and Marek instead of two draft picks.
The farm really started going down hill at that point.
Bay Area Steve
December 7th, 2012
3:32 pm
“laughing as you try to squirm out with an excuse”
Good grief. The two of you would argue over the precise amount of chalk on a foul line. Semantics, anyone? How do you not want to kill each other, yet? I guess I’m missing that gene.
RC
December 7th, 2012
3:34 pm
Dee Gordon. Another idea that falls way short of what we already have on hand.
I think that depends on the role they see for him. As a starting LF? Yeah, Gordon would not be a very good option for the Braves. As a fill-in-anywhere, pinch-runner type player? Omar Infante with speed? I’d take Gordon in a second for that type of role.
But based on the Dodgers asking price, probably too expensive to pursue for that type of role.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:34 pm
How do you not want to kill each other, yet?
Despite my lack of emoticons, I’m laughing as I read and type all of this. It’s in good fun BAS.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:35 pm
not so much on Morton.
Ahh, you know, I’m a fan of big arms and Charlie could rush it up there. Just never seemed to believe he actually belonged in the bigs, or something.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:36 pm
I believe I even suggested “filler” would be added in such a trade if it were to happen
Ya know, I gotta be honest – I was sort of reading your posts from a far as you were battling with someone else on this a week of so ago. Not sure who it was(initially was not me) and the “contending” word certainly didn’t come up intially until came into the conversation and pulled the Marcum/Lawrie trade out after a statement post of yours. Then “contending team” was thrown in. Then moments(legit) later three years of Denard Span is flipped for an A-ball prospect. I get that we are talking differently now, but you certainly didn’t frame the conversation as you are now with whomever you were discussing it with at the time.
I think it all may of started with Medlen for Myers, with scoots being the innovative GM who’d break the mold and win Executive of the Year. But I could be wrong.
Lew
December 7th, 2012
3:37 pm
Efrim – Not vaguely the same unless Mac were traded this year at the deadline, which – if we’re near the divsion lead, which we should be – Mac will never be tradedf.. If we need to replace McCann, it will be next winter and with his money another catcher can be acquired. We would still be getting the supplemental pick if we offered him the qualifying offer.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:38 pm
I think it all may of started with Medlen for Myers, with scoots being the innovative GM who’d break the mold and win Executive of the Year.
Well, the disclaimer, of course, is that Myers is taller, and thus I have a hidden agenda.
Bay Area Steve
December 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
“I’m a fan of big arms”
Plus, you know, he’s tall.
I still ain’t gave up on our boy. If somebody’s still runnin’ him out there, I’m still believing.
RC
December 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
Then we get Kotch and Marek instead of two draft picks.
The farm really started going down hill at that point.
The team has graduated Minor and Simmons from the draft since then. But there isn’t a whole lot else to show in the draft since that point (although the 2011 draft is looking pretty good with Gilmartin, Ahmed, and Graham among the first 4 picks).
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
Oh certainly. I went back and looked. I omitted contending, which bummed me out. I was on a roll, writing everything from the premise of the Braves situation and got nailed on a technicality. But, whatever.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
The farm really started going down hill at that point.
I don’t know when it happened. But at some point, the team just stopped going after high priced international signings. Now, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing(well, I guess I kinda am) but they have not been dropping $500K + on any Latin players since 2007-2008. I think Carlos Perez and Christian Bethancourt were our last big ones above the $500K mark. Not to say that it’s the route you should go all of the time, but it’s interesting that they have stopped doing that and are going more for bulk while maybe handing out $300K to one or two guys a year. Hard to find exact bonus numbers until they hit the States and become real prospects.
old man
December 7th, 2012
3:41 pm
I read the Garber v. MLB order. Actually, I scanned it.
The Braves, FoxSportsSouth, SportSouth, and PeachtreeTV are not named in the case. MLB is named, and teams that own their own TV outlets, and Comcast and DirectTV are named. Comcast and DirectTV apparently own a lot of the RSN’s, “regional sports networks.” So in large measure they are actually the companies that have the TV deals with a lot of the clubs. They don’t own the 3 which do our games, but they own a lot of them. It appears the suit named only the big, low-hanging fruit.
The decision probably impacts the Braves and the 3 Braves networks. It says the RSNs are liable as co-conspirators because they know that MLB is dividing up the country into monopolistic territories, and they know all the other RSNs have identical deals and restrictions.
I did not see any reason why the same logic would not apply to make the Braves and our three networks also guilty of participating in an anti-trust conspiracy. If the case is finally resolved against MLB, I can’t see how any of these deals would survive. None of the conspirators could sue to enforce the contracts.
Ultimately, new deals would have to be made. The amount of the deal would depend on each team’s nationwide popularity, not based on just the media/advertising value of the geographic area where the team is located. NYY, LAD, Cubs would still have premium TV deals. But the Braves have a national following, I think, out of proportion to the size of Atlanta’s media market. This may be a hangover from the SuperStation, “America’s Team,” etc. I always see a lot of Braves hats and jerseys at our away games. On a national scale, we would be right there with Philly, Boston, and others in a second level.
And, more, importantly, we could re-negotiate a new TV deal at current market rates. Legally, the three networks currently carrying our games might have no option but to do that.
Baseballs antitrust exemption was not even mentioned. It’s not an issue in the case.
The bottom line is that there is a ray of hope for us on our crappy TV deal.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:42 pm
innovative GM who’d break the mold and win Executive of the Year
he’d be in the lead at the time of the trade. Praises. Debates. Then Medlen would go on to have his Hall of Fame career and Myers would struggle for years and wash out like Andy LaRoche.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:42 pm
If somebody’s still runnin’ him out there, I’m still believing.
Rehabbing from TJ, but I think he signed a deal for the coming year with the Priates.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
on any Latin players since 2007-2008
Perhaps Salcedo left a bad taste in their mouth.
Pearls Before Swine
December 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
Bethancourt is likely going to be what we hear all the time as a “catch and throw” guy. Nice way of saying he won’t hit is weight.
Don’t take this as a political statement favoring one side or the other. It’s just a plain analogy.
Many prospects are like a political campaign. It doesn’t matter what the real truth is if you say something often enough, it becomes the truth to the low information voters.
Bethancourt has not shown anywhere that he is going to be any more than a good defensive catcher. He’s a product of the Braves Front Office and media hype.
So if you’re waiting for Bethancourt to show up and be the next Johnny Bench, don’t hold your breath!
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:44 pm
Then Medlen would go on to have his Hall of Fame career and Myers would struggle for years and wash out like Andy LaRoche.
The brilliant are always mocked by the unwashed.
RC
December 7th, 2012
3:46 pm
And, more, importantly, we could re-negotiate a new TV deal at current market rates. Legally, the three networks currently carrying our games might have no option but to do that.
Baseballs antitrust exemption was not even mentioned. It’s not an issue in the case.
The bottom line is that there is a ray of hope for us on our crappy TV deal.
Interesting that the Braves could get out of their current deal. However, if ALL the deals go away, then it would be interesting to see if the megadeals that are currently being signed would still happen, or if the changed economics would lead to much more conservative TV contracts. It would still be a good thing for the Braves, as it would put them back on a level playing field with their competitors, but it’s possible that the rest of the field will be dragged back to the revenue level the Braves are currently at, not the other way around.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
The brilliant are always mocked by the unwashed.
Guess so… explains why you guys have been piling on me all week. ( :
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:48 pm
explains why you guys have been piling on me all week.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:49 pm
The team has graduated Minor and Simmons from the draft since then. But there isn’t a whole lot else to show in the draft since that point (although the 2011 draft is looking pretty good with Gilmartin, Ahmed, and Graham among the first 4 picks).
2009: Minor, Hale, Mycal Jones, Berryhill, Wooley, Hefflinger, Rose, Weaver, Northcraft, Masters
2010: Lipka, Cunningham, Simmons, Leonard, Filak, Gosselin, Terdoslavich, Suschak, Fleming, Rohm, Shreve, Beckwith, Drury, Gattis
2011: Gilmartin, Ahmed, Kubitza, Graham, DeSantiago, Lahm, Martin, La Stella, Larrson, Robbins, Moranda, Chaffee, Moore, Cornely, Holland, Schlosser
Didn’t have a 2nd rounder in 2009 and didn’t have a 1st rounder in 2010. That would of helped. Got a couple extra picks for Mike Gonzalez. That was nice. Used those on Lipka and Cunningham, I believe.
Bay Area Steve
December 7th, 2012
3:51 pm
‘Preciate your analysis, old man.
I didn’t realize baseball’s anti-trust exemption did not apply… Interesting case, going forward. I always assume (I ain’t no legal scholar, like yourself) that the law doesn’t matter much in cases like this, but which side twists it better.
Mostly, I’m just betting the TV deals don’t restrict us nearly as much as many think. If only so I may look back and laugh at all the angst shown in these pages over ours. One guy even Franchised! us.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:51 pm
Perhaps Salcedo left a bad taste in their mouth.
Forgot about Edward. $1.4 million or whatever it was probably equals the entire International Signing Bonus budget for 2010-2012…..
Or at least it stopped em from spending a kidney on a Latin amateur player as you said, I guess.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
3:54 pm
I’d be interested in hearing the logic behind this one,,scoots
good D on both sides will hide his inadequacies and make him look like Bourn out thar
as I keep saying, Braves are aware of all the stats but are more scout oriented than most other teams
nolie
December 7th, 2012
3:55 pm
Bossman often plays shallower than he should actually, he is not as great going deep as he thinks he is
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
One guy even Franchised! us.
But, you know, I gave that guy bonus points for taking early give-up to its logical end, LOL. Not even many doom-and-gloomers can go completely end-of-the-world with it.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
Good read from Jerry Crasnick: http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove12/story/_/id/8723468/diamondbacks-orioles-tigers-teams-unfinished-winter-meetings-business
Atlanta Braves
They’ve already changed backup catchers (David Ross is out, Gerald Laird is in), signed B.J. Upton to a five-year, $75 million deal and traded starter Tommy Hanson to the Angels for reliever Jordan Walden. But general manager Frank Wren would still like to add an outfielder who can bat leadoff so the Braves don’t have to shoe-horn Martin Prado or Andrelton Simmons into the No. 1 spot.
The Braves were in on Denard Span before Washington traded for him, and they inquired on Dexter Fowler before determining that the price was too high. They also have been linked to Emilio Bonifacio, who went from Miami to Toronto in last month’s mega-deal but makes sense as a potential target for Atlanta on several levels.
Bonifacio is versatile enough to play third base or the outfield. He won’t cost a fortune at a salary of $3 million or thereabouts, and could replace some of the speed the Braves will lose with Michael Bourn’s departure. He also logged a .360 on-base percentage under Fredi Gonzalez, now Atlanta’s manager, as a Marlin two years ago. But Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos aims high in trade talks, so it’s hard to tell if the two sides have a match.
Wren will travel to the Dominican winter league this weekend to look at pitchers Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado, catching prospect Christian Bethancourt, outfielder Jose Constanza and third baseman Juan Francisco, who is the front-runner to play third base if the Braves decide to keep Prado in left.
“It’s a bit of a fact-finding mission,” Wren said. “We’ll go down and see how guys are progressing in our eyes. Stats are one thing. Reports are another. This will give us some firsthand knowledge of how guys look.”
The Braves love Francisco’s power potential. But he needs an occasional boost to stay motivated and keep his weight in check, and last year he struck out 70 times and drew 11 walks in 205 plate appearances. If he’s going to embrace the opportunity to be a 500 at-bat guy, now is the time.
RC
December 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
Bossman often plays shallower than he should actually, he is not as great going deep as he thinks he is
The Tampa Bay coaches are the ones who position him that shallow. Tampa uses specific shifts as much as any team in the majors (except maybe Toronto), and Upton playing shallow is a huge part of that. They feel like the chance for him to “steal” singles outweighs the chance he’ll give up a double or triple, at least when there are no runners on base.
It will be interesting to see where how shallow he plays in Atlanta’s outfield next year.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
hell I’d trade Teheran AND Gilmartin for Choo
Gilmartin has JoJo and window-washer guy written all over him……
Lew
December 7th, 2012
3:59 pm
Restructered deals or not, there’s no way any deal the Braves sign competes with an LA or NY deal and likely not with those of several other clubs.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
4:01 pm
Gilmartin has JoJo and window-washer guy written all over him……
That was actually “window installer guy”, but we get your drift.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:03 pm
hell I’d trade Teheran AND Gilmartin for Choo
Taking Choo from them for a full season, eliminating the chance that they can rob some desperate team at the deadline, and taking that top40 pick from the qual. offer for ourselves…. exactly why I’d offer Teheran. He shouldn’t be in the majors to start the season, and if he struggles again, he’s toast as valuable trade bait. Choo is quite worth of being swapped for Teheran, do it all day, every day, an twice on Sunday.
jfp
December 7th, 2012
4:05 pm
Efrim,
Thanks for the article. Appears to be accurate and consitant with everything I’ve heard John Shuerholz and Wren have said on MLB Sirrius Xm and MLB tonight.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
4:05 pm
Gilmartin has JoJo and window-washer guy written all over him……
One friggin pick away from Robert Stephenson. And they were going to take him, apparently. Would of made me think of Tony DeMacio and his draft strategy so much differently now that Stephenson is a Top 100 prospect and we have….another polished, college LHP.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
4:07 pm
Choo is quite worth of being swapped for Teheran, do it all day, every day, an twice on Sunday.
Pretty certain, for a guy who probably hasn’t seen Teheran pitch twice, in his entire life.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 7th, 2012
4:07 pm
Read where the Marlins are interested in Juan Francisco…….
Logan Morrison straight up for Francisco??????
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:08 pm
I heard he washed them after he installed them, and washer was more of an insult anyway …..
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
4:10 pm
I heard he washed them after he installed them, and washer was more of an insult anyway …..
Hey, I know I’m a stickler. Sue me.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
December 7th, 2012
4:11 pm
Teheran for Billy Hamilton……..In a heartbeat.
flange1
December 7th, 2012
4:12 pm
Francisco for Gregg Dobbs.
Back up at 1B, 3B, LF, RF.
Good hitter and PH.
Perfect bench guy
Rick C
December 7th, 2012
4:12 pm
I’d rather continue with Francisco than trade him for Morrison.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:15 pm
Logan Morrison has gotten worse, not better over his career… no thanks
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
4:15 pm
We get Logan Morrison for Juan Francisco and I absolutely will punch my boss in the face right now in a burst of excitement………
What?
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:16 pm
Francisco and Gilmartin for Stanton…….
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
4:19 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8724285/mlb-average-salary-38-percent-32-million
Pays to play for real…
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
4:20 pm
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tmxTtDiWidNuZUZLxaZIu5Q&output=html
That’s the Houston Astros payroll for 2013 and beyond……
Yup. My thoughts exactly.
Arkansas Transplant
December 7th, 2012
4:21 pm
Just sign Greinke and move Maholm
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:22 pm
Bill James on Constanza- .285/.344/.334/.678, 53Ks, 35 BB, 29 RBI, 55 runs. 21 SB.
Arkansas Transplant
December 7th, 2012
4:24 pm
I’d like to know if Wren has even expressed to his agent that they would love to have him and would like to figure a way to fit him into the Braves budget.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:24 pm
I seriously doubt Constanza would come close to that. of course they are almost always wrong anyway, often wat wrong
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:26 pm
of course Wren talked to his agent, I doubt there is any free agent of note that he has not talked to over the last coupla months
Arkansas Transplant
December 7th, 2012
4:27 pm
You always hear of other clubs talking to this player or that player even though they may be asking for more than that club can afford but you hear how they are looking for this or that creative way to get it done. When’s the last time you’ve ever heard of a Braves team aggressively targeting a premium player and looking for ways to be just as creative. It’s almost like Wren looks at the asking price and just scrolls down the list, never bothering to actually get involved.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:29 pm
I seriously doubt Constanza would come close to that
me either… waaay to “optimistic”
I’d like to know if Wren has even expressed to his agent that they would love to have him and would like to figure a way to fit him into the Braves budget.
Sure hope so… I mean, not too long ago, this was the Braves top target… they pulled out because they didn’t think they could enter a bidding war to pay him at season’s end. As of now, he’s going Rangers or ATL if they give him a good offer. I hope they do.
unbelievable
December 7th, 2012
4:32 pm
No way Constanza sniffs that slash line.
Arkansas Transplant
December 7th, 2012
4:32 pm
TOBF, I’m not sure they’d even extend an offer just to see what would happen. I just have that feeling.. specially watching the way they construct the roster anymore.
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
Francisco for Gregg Dobbs.
Back up at 1B, 3B, LF, RF.
Good hitter and PH.
Perfect bench guy — flange1
Agreed. He (Dobbs) was the guy I mentioned to Marlins writer when we were talking about Miami being linked to Francisco possibility. Unless Braves really feel like they aren’t going to get another left fielder and plan to end up playing Prado more in LF again, I’d do this trade. Because Francisco is not going to get much playing time if they get a left fielder, and I think they will get one.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:38 pm
White Sox may trade Alejando de Aza or Dayan Viciedo…. could be 2 good pickups
Trader Jack
December 7th, 2012
4:39 pm
That sound you just heard was a pin dropping during an Astros game @ Minute Maid Park – LOL
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:40 pm
sure cause we don’t hear about it, it never happened right??
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:40 pm
Dobbs could be good…. as long as he’s only used against RHP. Against LHP, .252/.284/.290/.574. Yuck!
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
4:43 pm
Dobbs and Johnson don’t give you very much sock off the bench, from either side. That might not be a concern for the team, I guess, but it seems to me that they would want a little more late-inning thump.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:43 pm
do we really need another guy who can’t hit lefties?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:45 pm
Sure seems that way AT… but the way it sounds, he really really wants to be here. Not LA or Anaheim with all the money, he’s even holding off on Texas. And as of now, Texas is really the only team who can sign him, imo. Braves offer at least 17-18mil, he’s ours.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:46 pm
Braves offer at least 17-18mil, he’s ours.
bulloney. on both him accepting that and on us coming up with that
old man
December 7th, 2012
4:47 pm
.310/ .394/ .362/ .756
Any guesses?
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
4:47 pm
David O’Brien
December 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
Francisco for Gregg Dobbs.
Back up at 1B, 3B, LF, RF.
Good hitter and PH.
Perfect bench guy — flange1
Agreed. He (Dobbs) was the guy I mentioned to Marlins writer when we were talking about Miami being linked to Francisco possibility. Unless Braves really feel like they aren’t going to get another left fielder and plan to end up playing Prado more in LF again, I’d do this trade. Because Francisco is not going to get much playing time if they get a left fielder, and I think they will get one.
So DOB still thinks we will still get a LF’er. C’mon Dave if you had to guess, who will be in LF when the season starts? I hope your guesstimate isn’t Bonifacio?
O.M.G.
December 7th, 2012
4:48 pm
TOBF do you really believe what you type?
David O'Brien
December 7th, 2012
4:48 pm
That said, I don’t think the Braves will trade Francisco. The way he’s improved this winter, working on the things he started working on late in season and getting in much better shape, I think he’s more valuable to Braves and insurance if they end up needing Prado at other positions.
Also keep in mind: Francisco played LF in minors with Reds. And if he’s in as good a shape as some who’ve seen him say…. Still think they’d play Prado more in LF, since he’s comfortable and good there, and Francisco more comfortable at 3B. But Francisco could at least give you flexibility if he’s able to play some LF.
old man
December 7th, 2012
4:48 pm
.310/ .394/ .362/ .756
Gregor Blanco’s last year in ATL, 2010.
flange1
December 7th, 2012
4:50 pm
I think we need a LH PH that can hit. IF he doesn’t have tons of power, I can live with that. If he does not hit RH pitching that is OK too.
He is not a regular just a situational guy off the bench.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:50 pm
I agree with 4:48 DOB, unless it involved a big trade. and I’m ok with that even though I was not a fan last season
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
4:52 pm
Hey I would LOVE to have a potential ace on this staff as much as TOBF(well maybe not as much as I don’t think anyone can) and sign Grienke but there is no way it can happen unless Liberty has some extra $ they can give the Braves or they trade someone like Uggla or maybe even Maholm but I still think that wouldn’t be enough. Guys we aren’t getting Grienke.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:52 pm
there will be plenty of bench guys available in the spring I don’t think I’d trade Juan for one right now
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
4:53 pm
TOBF do you really believe what you type?
Usually, yes. And in this case I do. 17-18 is in the ballpark. I mean, he really really must not want to go to LA, or he’d have signed already. Rangers or ATL, and someone close to him says that the Braves would be his top choice. 17-18mil is a pretty competitive offer, especially considering our constraints.
If the Braves really will have payroll between 95-100mil next season, we’ve got another 18 or so to spend. Move Maholm and EOF, that’s another 10mil in addition. Should be enough to get ZG and a LF. Seems like they really like what Juan’s doing, maybe he’s their 3B. I don’t see why we can’t offer him at least 18mil.
The A Bomb
December 7th, 2012
4:54 pm
Get the Yankee scouts down to the DR to see Sandoval Jr., let him clout a few and send him to New York or Gardner before he gains back all the weight. Because that’s what fat players do — put it back on. Trade before he quits Weight Watchers.
Venice Jim
December 7th, 2012
4:56 pm
but the way it sounds, he really really wants to be here
What can you point to that indicates this to be true? Or did you mean to type:
but the way it sounds, I really really really really really want him to be here…
old man
December 7th, 2012
4:57 pm
http://baseballplayersalaries.com/players/412_Greg_Dobbs
“Gregg Dobbs is a bum.”
http://baseballplayersalaries.com/players/563_Juan_Francisco
“Juan Francisco is worth it.”
nolie
December 7th, 2012
4:58 pm
if he is Sandoval I don’t give a rat’s patootie if he gains it back or not. I am WAY more interested in him not making outs than I am in him not being fat
jfp
December 7th, 2012
5:01 pm
Ah come on Nolie, everyone on here thinks Mac should be shaped like Heyward.
O.M.G.
December 7th, 2012
5:02 pm
TOBF, for how may years?
O.M.G.
December 7th, 2012
5:02 pm
TOBF, for how many years?
The A Bomb
December 7th, 2012
5:03 pm
The fatter he is the more outs he will CONTINUE to make. Sell high — or LIGHT — as the case may be.
We match up well with the Yanks who will be looking for a temp 3B and Twiggy will be attractive with the PONY League RF fence.
O.M.G.
December 7th, 2012
5:04 pm
TOBF for how many years?
nolie
December 7th, 2012
5:04 pm
talking Francisco, not Mac, with ABomb. at least I thought he was talking Francisco
The A Bomb
December 7th, 2012
5:05 pm
Francisco.
jfp
December 7th, 2012
5:06 pm
nolie, I was referring to your comment about Francisco being fat. Most folks on here don’t care as much about production as they do whether or not someone looks fat.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
5:06 pm
The fatter he is the more outs he will CONTINUE to make.
BULL CRAP. Babe Ruth was fat. There are any number of great hitters who were and are fat.
nolie
December 7th, 2012
5:06 pm
ok I see jfp
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
5:07 pm
Someone close to Greinke told Danny Knobler that Greinke really would prefer to pitch for the Braves…
old man
December 7th, 2012
5:07 pm
“Alex Gordon is very valuable.”
“Shin-Soo Choo is a total stud.”
“Justin Upton is underperforming.”
“Emilio Bonifacio is very valuable.”
“Martin Prado is very valuable.”
“Logan Morrison is a bum.”
“Denard Span is a total stud.”
“Ben Revere is a total stud.”
“Dee Gordon is a bum.”
“Paul Maholm, for Atlanta: underperforming, for Chicago: a total stud.”