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Travis
December 7th, 2012
12:13 pm
If the Braves wanna go all out and lock up a young long term left fielder, a bunch of minor leaguers currently in AAA won’t have much of a future in the bigs. Almost every position player except catcher is potentially a long term Brave. Gwinnette will have a heck of a team for a long time. The only guys wiith a path to the bigs are pitchers. Maybe third if Prado declines extension.
unbelievable
December 7th, 2012
12:13 pm
Plus Bourn is an excellent defender and steals 50+. Fowler does neither
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
12:14 pm
CF Fowler
2B Phillips
1B Votto
LF Ludwick
RF Bruce
3B Frazier
C Mesoraco/Hanigan
SS Cozart
Real good lineup.
Jeff R
December 7th, 2012
12:15 pm
But Greinke’s history reminds you that money isn’t everything.
I think the fella’s had a change of heart.
unbelievable
December 7th, 2012
12:17 pm
Isn’t he a plus defender? And if I remember right, his career OBP is in the neighborhood of .365.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=1000&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
Jeff R
December 7th, 2012
12:18 pm
I see more kids in Chipper’s future.
Ol’ Chip wants to breed many possible future MVP candidates, huh? Go forth and prosper, Chipster.
Venice Jim
December 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
Jeff R – you will note I made no actual comment on the situation – just one of my totally random shots at our young friend
I will say that my bracket is so far removed from Zack’s that I would gladly switch salaries and rates with him…hard to crack 8 digit salaries tutoring 4 or 5 hours a day…(now, if I doubled up)…
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
12:23 pm
I truely believe Wren had every intention of going to the meetings trading for a LF’er. Then he approached other GM’s and heard the rediculous offers like the one for Fowler. We all know Wren and he’s stubborn and thinks highly of his prospects, especially the pitchers. I think if Teheran had a season like we all thought he would as a #1 pitching prospect things might be different and the Braves could’ve traded for the premium LF’er but that was not the case. Teheran had a bad season and so other teams are leary because of the uncertainty and so they are asking for another pitcher to be included which Wren laughs at. Maybe some team takes a chance and gets desperate and calls Wren after a change of heart but if not we might be seeing the team we go to ST with other than another bench bat. Wren might even be happy with the Great White Hope starting in LF with a good spring.
JasonInFL
December 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Remember what they originally asked for in initial discussions before you say it will get done with a packaged headlined by Gilmartin…
Jeff R
December 7th, 2012
12:29 pm
I will say that my bracket is so far removed from Zack’s that I would gladly switch salaries and rates with him…hard to crack 8 digit salaries tutoring 4 or 5 hours a day…(now, if I doubled up)…
No doubt, Venice Jim.
P'cola Brave
December 7th, 2012
12:31 pm
If were not going to acquire a difference maker bat then try to acquire David Dejesus. He would fit this lineup really well. Proven veteran player to.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
Peter Gammons @pgammo
If you don’t believe the multi-team Upton trade talk, Wednesday night a Rangers official called an Astros officisl and said, “we got Upton.”
I’m sure there are a lot of deals that are much closer to completion. I mean, there has to be given the lack of movement and needs that are to be filled.
Trader Jack
December 7th, 2012
12:53 pm
Efrin
Big time game of liars poker going on right now
brian
December 7th, 2012
12:55 pm
Leake is a 4th starter at best and Stubbs is Willy Taveras redux. No way do I take that if I am the Rockies
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
1:07 pm
Real good lineup.
True. But Votto-Ludwick-Bruce-Frazier or Heyward-Freeman-Upton (or Uggla)-McCann? Votto is the best hitter in the NL, I admit, but those both look to be formidable middles.
Lew
December 7th, 2012
1:08 pm
I’ve about had it fighting with this &^%*ing blog. I’ll try again later
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
1:20 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves Wren also said they think def. metrics are work in progress, not real accurate, and that their evaluations of BJ as CF are excellent
I have a feeling all teams have their own defensive metrics evaluating system that they look at. Not just +/- and UZR.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
1:22 pm
Leake is a 4th starter at best and Stubbs is Willy Taveras redux. No way do I take that if I am the Rockies
You are probably right. Stubbs isn’t very good and Leake is a bad fit for that park. #4 starter at best. They’d have to add a significant couple of prospects for that to work.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
1:25 pm
Votto is the best hitter in the NL, I admit, but those both look to be formidable middles.
Braves have a real good lineup too. Votto does it for me because to me he’s the best hitter in the National League.
Braves add Choo and that team is going to cause pitchers, especially RHP, to retire.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
1:26 pm
Comment From Bill Sullivan Bill Sullivan: ]
Julio Teheran and Christian Bethancourt for Mike Olt, who says no?
Mike Newman: Probably the Braves, but Olt would be quite tempting given the lack of bats throughout the organization.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
1:27 pm
This site looks like it is about to explode. I’m not sure what the issue is, but the banners on the right side of the blog are flashing all sorts of ways. Nuts. AJC IT needs to take a look at this.
P'cola Brave
December 7th, 2012
1:31 pm
Never had so much trouble with this site as I have this afternoon
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Braves should say no… cant move Bethancourt until we have a clearer understanding of our longterm catching situation
P'cola Brave
December 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Efrim
Wren said the other day in an interview that the metrics are skewed and some CF benefit from who plays in RF and LF. Their scouting says that playing him w/ Heyward and whoever in LF should show what kind of CF they believe him to be.
beekay
December 7th, 2012
1:34 pm
Hockey blows…the only thing worse is the WNBA. Glad those Canucks are holding out
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
1:35 pm
Braves add Choo and that team is going to cause pitchers, especially RHP, to retire.
Yes, I think you could see some “flu-like symptons” from righties.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
1:42 pm
Their scouting says that playing him w/ Heyward and whoever in LF should show what kind of CF they believe him to be.
Huh? How, exactly, does having to cover less ground because of the corner OF put his CF skills on display? Is he finally going to play more more shallow and use his speed going back because he knows Heyward can track down balls over his head, LOL?
I’d be interested in hearing the logic behind this one.
ncgary
December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm
merry merry merry merry Christmas
TommyP
December 7th, 2012
1:44 pm
I see a few have hijacked my Dejesus idea from 6AM this morning.
ncgary
December 7th, 2012
1:45 pm
go braves
ncgary
December 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
aw go for broke wren
order up hamilton and greinke
tell malone you need it to make it
P'cola Brave
December 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
TommyP
Just building on it. IMO, it would be a great idea for the Braves to look into.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
we all seem to agree that Choo would be great for leadoff, but with high avg. and power numbers vs. RHP (over .500 SLG, a mark that no current Braves player meets) would he be better for the 3hole then? And leadoff vs. righties…
Prado
Uggla
Choo
Upton
Heyward
Freeman
McCann
Simmons
Doesnt fit Fredi’s L/R ideal, but that gives us 3 high OPB guys to lead it off, let BJ slam ‘em home. And the sock potential starts from the 2spot. Prado gets on, Uggla homers, Choo, BJ, Heyward, and Freeman all follow. That’s 4-6 quick runs there. Dayum!
Tumbledown
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
ncscoots – Huh? How, exactly, does having to cover less ground because of the corner OF put his CF skills on display?
Yeah, if the Hawks could add Lebron James, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, and Dwight Howard, it would help Josh Smith put his skills on display.
Slidder
December 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
Zito career stats: Win/Loss 160-132, ERA 3.93, WHIP 1.31 (Post-season: 6-3 with 2.83 ERA)
Greinke career stats: Win/Loss 91-78, ERA 3.77, WHIP 1.25 (Post-season:1-1 with 6.48 ERA)
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
leadoff vs. lefties, I mean… .340 OBP against them
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
Not me Tommy…I think we can do better or about the same as if we had Dejesus, in fact I think Gattis would be better offensively, defensively not so much.
Upton, from the highlights I’ve seen, seems to go back and get em pretty well on balls hit over his head. And his arm is a cannon.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
1:57 pm
Upton, from the highlights I’ve seen, seems to go back and get em pretty well on balls hit over his head.
Maybe I’m misremembering, then. My recollection was that the knock on him was that he played deeper than necessary, given his speed.
Tumbledown
December 7th, 2012
1:58 pm
Whoa! I read on mlbtraderumors that Swisher may possibly command a 4yr/$60 million contract. That seems crazy to me.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
So it seems many on here love Choo for 1 year. So let me guess you guys think a fair deal is Gilmartin for Choo? I just want to say other teams don’t value and like soft-tossing lefties like the Braves do. Gilmartin would be like a throw in piece.
If only the Braves would learn to draft some position players early in their drafts none of this would be a problem.
Bawlmer Brave
December 7th, 2012
2:03 pm
Tumbledown, makes our BJ deal look better all the time.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
2:03 pm
Actually, scoots Bossman plays a shallow than normal CF from everything that I’ve read.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
I just want to say other teams don’t value and like soft-tossing lefties like the Braves do.
Don’t think that has much to do with it, man. Choo is a one-and-done guy, and no one is going to offer a bounty of prospects for him. Or shouldn’t, anyway. A back-end starter (regardless of that pitcher’s approach) ought to be the limit.
Tumbledown
December 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
Our relatively soft-tossing starting staff makes our bullpen arms (especially Kimbrel) look even nastier!
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
Teheran for Choo is fair too… but maybe Gilmartin and Hale/Spruill/Lamm is enough.
Considering that Upton got 15AAV while not performing all that weell, I dont think that amount is all that crazy for Swisher… he is currently better and should ask for more though. 16-17mil… what is crazy though is that as of now, he’s just 2mil a year beetter than Victorino
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
So let me guess you guys think a fair deal is Gilmartin for Choo?
Why not, instead of guessing, go back and read the blog. We covered this pretty extensively two days ago.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:08 pm
A back-end starter (regardless of that pitcher’s approach) ought to be the limit.
Major league starter. If it’s minors you’re dealing from, the Indians would be right to desire more than simply Gilmartin.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
I read on mlbtraderumors that Swisher may possibly command a 4yr/$60 million contract. That seems crazy to me.
In this market? Swisher at 32, is still worth that. I’d be asking for that too if I were Nick and hoping for at least four years, $56 million.
I just want to say other teams don’t value and like soft-tossing lefties like the Braves do. Gilmartin would be like a throw in piece.
A trade for one year of Choo isn’t going to net the Indians a ton. Gilmartin isn’t yet ready, but he probably will be in the 2nd half of 2013. He’s doesn’t have a ton of upside, but a back end starter with a high floor and six years of club control is a fair bounty for one year of Shin-Soo Choo, imo. Obviously we’d have to add a little more to the trade. Players like Cunningham, Terdoslavich or pitchers like Jaime, Martin, Northcraft. Maybe one lower level prospect with upside to top it off, even though we don’t have many of those. But that’s as far as I’d go for Shin-Soo.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
TP
Yeah I remember. In fact, I don’t think there is a scenario we haven’t covered on this blog concerning any trades the Braves might do.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
The Rays had him play shallow, perhaps shallower than any other center fielder in the game. If the Braves use more traditional positioning, it’ll be interesting to see if that helps or hurts them in the aggregate, given the likely reduced number of extra-base hits over Upton’s head but also probably more singles in front of him.
So you were right, I had it exactly backwards, LOL. The Rays were positioning to prevent singles at a greater risk of doubles/triples, which might have been logical, given the quality of their pitching.
Bobby
December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
The Johnson/DeJesus platoon in LF would work. Any idea what Chicago would want?
2012: .297/.363/.455/.817
‘10-12: .299/.361/.454/.815
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
If it’s minors you’re dealing from, the Indians would be right to desire more than simply Gilmartin.
You really, really don’t want to see any more one-for-one-majors-for-minors trades, huh?
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
Teheran for Choo is fair too…
No, it really isn’t and your evaluations for certain Braves prospects/players is strange.
Rick C
December 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Slim & none RT @bobbytran1013: @jaysonst any chance braves get Justin upton without giving up Simmons?
35 minutes ago
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
Major league starter. If it’s minors you’re dealing from, the Indians would be right to desire more than simply Gilmartin.
Are they contending? Or rebuilding? Or both?
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:25 pm
You really, really don’t want to see any more one-for-one-majors-for-minors trades, huh?
Be very interested to see what those Rays end up with for Shields. But again, are they considered contenders? Rebuilding? Both?
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 7th, 2012
2:27 pm
I would love to know how much the Royals were asking for Gordon. I’m still holding out hope we get him but I know it’s probably a pipe dream. If the Rockies were asking for Minor and Teheran imagine what the Royals want for Gordon.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:29 pm
If the Rockies were asking for Minor and Teheran imagine what the Royals want for Gordon.
Rocky Mountain spotted fever in Denver doesn’t necessarily mean folks in KC are infected, too.
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
2:35 pm
I would do Teheran straight up for Choo even if Choo leaves after one year.
I do not have much faith in Teheran anymore — one yr of Choo is better than what you might get out of Teheran in a whole career the way he has declined.
You can always get another prospect that is why you have a draft every year. Most of the time prospects are a dime a dozen. Most do not make it — Teheran has a long way to go.
He cannot even pitch well in ST when you are facing lesser competition, what makes one think he is going to be what he was supposed to be.
Get him outta here ASAP is you can get something for him. Throw in Superbust Salcedo too.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:37 pm
You really, really don’t want to see any more one-for-one-majors-for-minors trades, huh?
Gilmartin isn’t that good. Choo is. Choo has only one year, but he is still worth more than simply Gilmartin. I haven’t read anywhere that Gilmartin for Choo was the offer made and shot down. I think Wren would make that deal. I don’t think the Indians would.
Likewise, I don’t think the Braves would trade Teheran for Choo. That’s “too much” for Choo alone. There would be more in that trade than simply those two. But I don’t think the Braves want to trade Teheran… and if they are, it will be for a higher caliber, longer control player.
As to the one for one, minor/major straight up trades, I think people are getting a bit too excited about zero experience prospects these days. Such deals are rare and there is a reason they are rare.
And Ef, I have a feeling the Indians would be classified as rebuilding… certainly not “contending.” They could surprise, but they aren’t going into the 2013 season with everyone expecting them to be in October.
The Braves still have a gaping hole on the roster where a Hall of Fame player retired. They just came off a play-off run and are looking to get even better to secure a Division Title. No team in that situation would ever trade one of it’s top 4 pitchers from its starting rotation for a single minor leaguer with no MLB experience… in effort to replace the first ballot Hall of Famer. Just not happening. It is more likely that the Marlins trade Stanton than it is for the Braves to take that route.
For crying out loud, this team brought Jordan Schafer back into the fold. Your argument is invalid.
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
2:38 pm
Everything I read indicates the Rox are asking too much for Fowler. And his defensive metrics indicate he is not that good of a defensive player.
I don;t totally trust the defensive metrics, but do not completely distrust em either. I like to watch a guy play and read scouting reports before I judge the reliability of the metrics.
Note that Fowler has had only one real good yr and that is this past yr.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:39 pm
Be very interested to see what those Rays end up with for Shields.
More than one player. Regardless of their perceived and expected contending abilities.
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
@Tennessee Paul — Most fans overrate their team’s prospects. That applies in almost any city.
Gilmartin is sort of a Scott Diamond type if he becomes what he is supposeed to be. But like all prospects it is always a big IF IF IF.
Look at how Teheran fell back this past yr.
Look at Salcedo’s struggles both at the plate and in the field. He could not cut it in the AFL — how is he going to cut it in the majors.
Prospects are a dime a dozen — you get another draft to stock up on em. Most of em don;t even become MLB relpacement level guys.
One yr of Choo means we are going for it now.
It could be that Cleveland might get a better deal from other teams than our prospects.
richbrave
December 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
See things are pretty quiet on the acquisition front. Frustration running pretty high on here.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
Baseball America did an article on a run down of 40-man roster adds and why the team chose to make that move:
ATL C Christian Bethancourt age – 21 Double-A Double-plus arm & agility behind plate
Key Number: 39 CS%, in line with career rate
ATL RHP David Hale age – 25 Double-A: Plus fastball delivered with deception & run
Key Number: 1.9 SO-to-BB ratio points to future in relief
ATL RHP Aaron Northcraft age – 22 High-A Life on fastball & changeup
Key Number: 9.5 SO/9, best among Carolina League starters
ATL RHP Cory Rasmus age – 25 Double-A: Plus changeup with fade
Key Number: 50 games in first year in pen after injury-plagued 2011
ATL RHP Zeke Spruill age – 23 Double-A: Plus low-90s sinker, control & durability
Key Number: 161.2 innings, most in the Southern League
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
2:46 pm
If a guy is 25 and in AA, that is not a real prospect.
If your guy cannot make it to the majors by 25, 26 the latest than you do not have an impact player, hey, even a starter for that matter.
Not many 27 plus rookies really amount to a signifigant impact player career. So I do not take the 25 and over prospects seriously.
BravoMan
December 7th, 2012
2:47 pm
Sounds like Wren’s looking for a stopgap in LF if he can’t acquire a player like Gordan, Fowler, etc. I assume the stopgap would open up an opportunity for someone like Gattis who would man LF for years.
A platoon of DeJesus and Johnson would work well for me. All good defenders in the OF that way. Plus Dejesus, being a Moneyball guy, gets on base and could be a suitable lead off man so we wouldnt have to rush a guy like Simmons up there.
I know a platoon situation wouldn’t set well with most on this blog; however, I don’t wanna trade a guy like Minor for Fowler. I would rather wait and see how the season progresses. We would still have money left over to make a deal by the trade deadline.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:48 pm
Most fans overrate their team’s prospects. That applies in almost any city.
It’s a strange smattering here. There is a chorus singing the praises of other team prospects. Another chorus singing the merits of trading Braves prospects at the drop of a hat. And most of the combined chorus believing impact major leaguers can, or should, be had for just one of those untested prospects.
It’s not quite that extreme. It is somewhere in the middle. That’s why the bulk of the deals made with minor/majors have more than just 1-for-1 swaps.
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:49 pm
No team in that situation would ever trade one of it’s top 4 pitchers from its starting rotation for a single minor leaguer with no MLB experience…
I could see a scenario where a team would consider this if they signed a pitcher off the free agent market to become one of their top 4 pitchers and replace a guy that was just traded for a prospect.
Venice Jim
December 7th, 2012
2:49 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
#Indians, #Mariners, #Braves & #Phillies among teams I heard asked #Dodgers about Dee Gordon. It appears all but Seat would try him in OF.
Despite inquiries, #Dodgers told clubs that asked about Gordon they weren’t open to moving him right now.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:50 pm
We would still have money left over to make a deal by the trade deadline.
Deals that cannot be made in the offseason are not easier to make at the deadline. Just the opposite.
old man
December 7th, 2012
2:51 pm
Some of the ideas bounced around here–DeJesus/Johnson platoon for example, aren’t really upgrades at all over Prado/Gattis/Francisco/Johnson platoon combinations. And these other ideas have acquisition costs of some kind. The issue is not simply throwing out an idea for LF, but throwing out an idea which, together with the acquisition costs, gives an option appreciably better than what we have on hand.
So if you say “what about . . . ,” make it clear that this idea is something you think is better than options we have on hand. Normally, I would say that this would be automatically implied in any idea laid out on the blog, but some of them are so questionable that I am wondering if some are doing this calculus before posting.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
2:51 pm
If your guy cannot make it to the majors by 25, 26 the latest than you do not have an impact player, hey, even a starter for that matter.
I’d say there are exceptions to this rule. A player could begin his professional career later than the bulk of these kids. Most are drafted between 17 and 21 years old. Said player starts pro ball at 23+, I wouldn’t expect him in the majors the next season. Some players play in leagues that make it difficult to get to the MLB, but they can still dominate. Even make the Hall. Just look at Ichiro. Guy didn’t get to the show until he was 27.
You have to look at the player and their circumstances before painting with such a broad brush.
ncbravesfan90
December 7th, 2012
2:52 pm
“Sounds like Wren’s looking for a stopgap in LF if he can’t acquire a player like Gordan, Fowler, etc. I assume the stopgap would open up an opportunity for someone like Gattis who would man LF for years.”
Um doubt it would mean that it would be a stopgap for Gattis who is basically a C/DH now. Wren probably means stopgap until the FA market for LF is much better.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
I could live with a platoon/1 year stopgap for LF I guess, as long as the Braves make LF their #1 priority next winter, either being Gattis or Pence. But, since we still need a premium player, as Frank promised… make a run at ZG. We should have nearly 23-25mil of salary if payroll is 100mil. Move Maholm. 20mil max a year for him though…
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
More than one player. Regardless of their perceived and expected contending abilities.
That’s why the bulk of the deals made with minor/majors have more than just 1-for-1 swaps.
Honestly, does this even matter if the other 1 or 2 prospects are, ya know, not good prospects and sort of filler?
If tomorrow, James Shields gets traded for Wil Myers, Brett Eibner and Brian Fletcher I’d laugh at you saying “See, more than just Wil Myers”. Because, it REALLY, REALLY isn’t more than Wil Myers. And we’ve certainly seen deals like that before.
old man
December 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
What’s up with the mega-trade? Is it still being discussed?
flange1
December 7th, 2012
2:55 pm
TOBF,
Hunter would be a nice 5th member!
beekay
December 7th, 2012
2:56 pm
I predict Bourn gets 1 year 17 mill and then trys again next year to get big money.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
2:56 pm
And most of the combined chorus believing impact major leaguers can, or should, be had for just one of those untested prospects.
Braves got two years of Nate McLouth for Charlie Morton and a High-A kid. Morton had a dozen or so ML starts under his belt, so I hardly think you could call him “tested”.
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
Tenessee Paul — I am on the side of trading the prospects that we have cause too many prospects often do not become what they are supposed to be.
Especially when the prospects just plain fall on their face and fail.
I have totally lost patience with Salcedo & as for Teheran, its my guess that he has lost most of his luster. The drop in velocity is the red flag not only the poor yr in AAA.
I don;t think that Cleveland would do this but if we could move em both for one yr of Choo, I would do it cause I don;t think either one will amount to an impact MLB player.
Could be wrong but they both have a long long way to go.
Choo is the money ball kind of guy (high OBP with some pop) that they really need to complete this roster. Then Wren can shore up the bench.
That would make the Braves a very solid contender to repeat the 94 W of last yr and perhaps the playoff breaks come on our side for a change. WS possibility for sure.
Don’t worry about 2017 or 18, take care of it now — the opportunity is here now.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
Dee Gordon as an OF? What’s going on in the FO?!? Just send Rev or Georgie out there if we want a weak hitting OF
glove51
December 7th, 2012
3:02 pm
I’d try to work a deal for Alex Gordon if one could get done for a reasonable price. I like Willingham too. I’d be willing give Ahmed then one of Teheram/Delgado/Gilmartin and another lesser prospect if necessary. Maybe see if you could trade EOF and Gilmartin with Ahemd and not Teheran or Delgado???
If a deal can’t be worked without too steep a price then I’d plan on going to ST/Opening Day rotating Johnson/Gattis/Francisco (@ 3rd w/ Prdao in LF).
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 7th, 2012
3:02 pm
Ha, you’re right flange! Tyler, Zack, Peter, Posey, Hunter…great group of guys there.
DS1
December 7th, 2012
3:02 pm
The cherry on top of the sundae is going to be Brandon Beachy returning (hopefully) later this summer after his Tommy Johnson surgery.
And then we will probably need to bring him along slowly in 2014 to limit his innings.
Disgusted
December 7th, 2012
3:03 pm
“You have to look at the player and their circumstances before painting with such a broad brush.”
That is true at times but the general rule is that good players have had at least a brush of some MLB success by 25.
I was talking more about the general rule — Like Phil Niekro did not make the majors till 25 but did not really hit his stride till his age 28 season. And Davey Lopes did not get started till his age 26 season.
And Willinigham did not get started till he was 27. But can you really count on older prospects to be the back bone of your team — most of the time its no.
Maybe Gattis is an exception. I wish all the prospects the best.
One exception is with relief pitchers — some of them do come up later.
flange1
December 7th, 2012
3:04 pm
Now you need a name.
TOBF’s Troup
glove51
December 7th, 2012
3:05 pm
Dayton Moore would probably be interested in J. Schaefer.
glove51
December 7th, 2012
3:06 pm
Gattis’ story is somewhat out of the norm, which affects his age vs. level.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:13 pm
Braves got two years of Nate McLouth for Charlie Morton and a High-A kid. Morton had a dozen or so ML starts under his belt, so I hardly think you could call him “tested”.
Yes. What the did not get is Nate McLouth for Charlie Morton straight up.
Honestly, does this even matter if the other 1 or 2 prospects are, ya know, not good prospects and sort of filler?
That was the entire premise of my point. I’d laugh at you laughing, You would be displaying a failure of reading comprehension. You may not think much of the “filler” but it is “filling in” for something. And, honestly, it would not be I moving the goal posts.
richbrave
December 7th, 2012
3:15 pm
Club leaders in BA and IP. Minimum 100 AB and 100 IP SP and 50 IP RP.
GWINNETT
OF Jose CONSTANZA 344 AB, – .317 BA
LHSP Yohan FLANDE 147.2 IP – 4.21 ERA
RHRP Buddy CARLYSLE 76.0 IP – 3.43 ERA
MISSISSIPPI
1B Joe TERDSLOVICH 298 AB – .315 BA
RHSP Zeke SPRUILL 161.2 IP – 3.67 ERA
LHRP Chris JONES 60.0 IP – 3.90 ERA
LYNCHBURG
2B Tommy LaSTELLA 298 AB – .302 BA
RHSP Gus SCHLOSSER 165.1 IP – 3.38 ERA
LHRP Blaine SIMS 71.1 IP – 4.42 ERA
ROME
2B Ross HEFFLEY* 233 AB – .296 BA
RHSP Greg ROSS 141.2 IP – 4.60 ERA
RHRP Wilson RIVERA 56.1 IP – 2.88 ERA
* Rookie
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
I have totally lost patience with Salcedo & as for Teheran, its my guess that he has lost most of his luster.
Salcedo is dead to me. I see him listed and it is as if someone is following Shawn McGill. Just pointless.
Teheran, I’m still holding out hope. And as long as others see some shine and luster, he’ll still have value. Though, another stalled year from him and he is toast.
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:18 pm
Yes. What the did not get is Nate McLouth for Charlie Morton straight up.
Got it. Gorkys Hernandez’s frozen head makes all the difference to the deal.
I understand now.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:19 pm
Scoots, The Braves trade Jeff Locke, Charlie Morton and Gorkys Hernandez for McLouth. That was three players. And it was certainly a competitive team acquiring Major League talent from a non-competitive team….
ncscoots
December 7th, 2012
3:21 pm
Oh damn, how could I forgotten Jeff Locke?!?
old man
December 7th, 2012
3:21 pm
Dee Gordon. Another idea that falls way short of what we already have on hand.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:22 pm
Gorkys played in the majors last year. Crazy. I never though he would make it. The Braves did hype him when they got him… it always just seemed like fluf.
JC Brave
December 7th, 2012
3:22 pm
Braves asking about Dee Gordon for the LF position?
That’s just kind of embarrasing…
Forget about the stupid leadoff crap already Wren (unless you can get Choo for a reasonable price)…
Efrim
December 7th, 2012
3:23 pm
Yes. What the did not get is Nate McLouth for Charlie Morton straight up.
That was the entire premise of my point. I’d laugh at you laughing, You would be displaying a failure of reading comprehension. You may not think much of the “filler” but it is “filling in” for something. And, honestly, it would not be I moving the goal posts.
No, it’d just be you being ridiculous.
TennesseePaul
December 7th, 2012
3:23 pm
Oh damn, how could I forgotten Jeff Locke?!?
Don’t know man. Don’t know.
Locke… I wonder about that kid. Will he pan out or turn into a lefty Kyle Davies?