4:03 pm December 4, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 6th, 20128:44 pm
I don’t think it’s crazy to think Bourn could return. I’m not sure he can get anywhere close to the deal he and Boras were looking for plus he will cost any team that signs him a 1st round pick, because the Braves extended him a qualifying offer. Not many teams in the market for a CF right now, and he will most likely have to come down off his asking price, sign a one-year deal and test the market again next year. The Braves need a lead-off hitter and he is one of the best left on the market right now. Why not?
December 6th, 20128:45 pm
I think there is a better shot of the Braves landing Justin Upton than to have Michael Bourn return. How about a 5% chance we land Upton and a 0.50% we bring back Bourn lol
That’s about right.
December 6th, 20128:46 pm
If Bourn and Boras decide to do a one year deal due to the lack of options right now, the Braves would have to be a too destination for 1 year. We can get the draft pick next year for Bourn leaving
The market for Bourn should collapse….
He was awful the final two months.
Boras has a way of leveraging his clients and finding a sucker somewhere. Don’t bet against Bourn getting a big payday.
December 6th, 20128:48 pm
Maybe he signs a 1 year offer with the braves with the understanding that the braves will not make the qualifying offer next year thus further enhancing his value
December 6th, 20128:52 pm
“Of course we could’ve NOT signed McCann and offered Hamilton 3 years at 22 million and KEPT all of our pitchers.”
Very true. All we would need is a left handed catchers mitt for Hamilton. :-}
Don’t underestimate Boras’ flare for getting his clients fat contracts. Bourn’s not looking at a one-year deal yet. If B.J. Upton can get 5/$75 million from the Braves, Bourn’s still in the hunt somewhere.
That would about equal Choo. No joke
December 6th, 20128:53 pm
If Bourn were to sign a 1 yr deal it would be around $15 mil, which the Braves don’t have
December 6th, 20128:54 pm
Bourn is worth 10 or so…..
I suspect he signs for 12 or so eventually….Nats perhaps.
December 6th, 20128:56 pm
I don’t pay enough attention…
If we drag Bourn back for a year, i assume Upton can man left?
December 6th, 20128:58 pm
Bourn will get a big deal from some team. Just like Soriano will.
And even if the Braves had the dough, they bring Bourn back to, what, add his 150-something strikeouts to Uggla’s 160-something Ks and Upton’s 160-something Ks and Heyward’s 150-something strikeouts?
Geez, Atlanta would be a whiffer’s paradise.
December 6th, 20129:04 pm
Upton is playing center nobody else
December 6th, 20129:07 pm
Last year at this time, people were saying that Prince wouldn’t get his desired bucks. Bourn will get his, but it may be from some team flying a little under the radar. His situation will not deteriorate to the point where he will return to the Braves. Time to move on to the next pipe dream…
December 6th, 20129:11 pm
I think Ara Parseghian just made me a Notre Dame fan…..
Wow, what a man.
December 6th, 20129:13 pm
Mother Theresa couldn’t turn me into a Neuter Dame fan but Ara is good!
December 6th, 20129:19 pm
I get a kick out of people that would not want to give up good prospects for Josh Willingham. Lets see the last four years he has averaged just under a .860 OPS. His last two years he has averaged 32 HR and 104 RBI. He did this is two horrible hitters parks Oak and Minn. Does he has some injury risk? Sure… but at 7 mil a year I would cartwheel for that kind of hitter. If you got his last two years numbers out of him and stuck him in the 4 hole how does the line up look then?
Willingham should be the target if the Twins would let him go without a ransom.
True, Mark! But what a guy…
December 6th, 20129:23 pm
I would think the Twins will not be trading Willingham, considering they have traded both Ben Revere and Denard Span…
There is nothing that would make me a notre dame fan. Nothing
December 6th, 20129:28 pm
I am gonna enjoy watching Neuter Dame though come January because Bama will beat that “hadn’t played anybody worth a crap” tail. Of course so would UGA, LSU, Fla., Texas A&M, and South Carolina.
December 6th, 20129:31 pm
My prediction for opening day lineup:
December 6th, 20129:32 pm
Heard the Twins’ GM on MLB radio earlier today. He didn’t rule out trading anyone else. He said their last two seasons went bad due to a lack of pitching, and he is determined not to let that happen again. According to him, he’ll worry about bats after he acquires the arms he needs.
December 6th, 20129:33 pm
Of course Prado would play 3rd
December 6th, 20129:34 pm
Yes.”@jonjon3174: @ajcbraves Terry Ryan said he will continue to listen to offers for Willingham for pitching, is that still a possibility?”
Tweet by DOB. I say bring Willingham (and his AL Silver Slugger award) to Atlanta.
December 6th, 20129:37 pm
I’m sure the Braves would like to bring Willingham to Atlanta. They are not going to give up half the farm to do it.
Trades for good players right now is tough. It’ll be tougher at the trade deadline though. Heck, remember what we tried to do at the deadline this past year!
December 6th, 20129:38 pm
Willingham would be an exceptional pickup
December 6th, 20129:41 pm
I am a little envious of the Rangers…so many options and different ways they can go
December 6th, 20129:49 pm
Willingham would be an ideal pickup for LF
December 6th, 20129:51 pm
and his 7mil salary gets cheaper every day the way things are going this winter
December 6th, 20129:54 pm
Willingham’s contract just means that the twins can a) ask for a ransom in return and b) don’t have to trade him. He’d be a great addition to the Braves, but I don’t want to give up, say, Meds, in order to get him.
December 6th, 20129:56 pm
I would give up Teheran for him, prolly not Meds
December 6th, 20129:58 pm
I’d give up Delgado and a lower level pitching prospect for Willingham, especially considering his salary. But, then again, I’m not the sharpest tool in the elevator that doesn’t go all the way to the top floor…
December 6th, 20129:59 pm
I think they would want something more in return than Teheran. I’m betting they want an MLB ready starter (Terry Ryan said they are still looking for starting pitching) and Teheran, even though I still think he will be a good starter, is not there yet.
I would give Teheran in a heartbeat…can’t give up Meds though.
December 6th, 201210:00 pm
Meds, Minor and Beachy are untouchable. ‘Nuff said…
December 6th, 201210:08 pm
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December 6th, 201210:12 pm
If there are any free agents who want to settle down, marry a dude and smoke weed together the Mariners are suddenly front-runners.
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December 6th, 201210:13 pm
I disagree a little as it pertains to the untouchable guys.
I don’t really see anyone as being untouchable because if you run across the right GM thats in a panic and needs a certain piece to fill his puzzle you can cash in big time.
That said, the closest thing to untouchable that the Braves have is Simmons, Heyward and Kimbrel. Everyone else, especially when you consider age, is fair game!
December 6th, 201210:17 pm
Maybe nobody is untouchable, but I wouldn’t trade 27 year old Kris Medlen, who is not a free agent until 2016, for 2 years of 33 year old Josh Willingham and no guarantee that he would resign
December 6th, 201210:23 pm
not Meds, but I would prolly throw Gilmartin in on top of Teheran for him
December 6th, 201210:27 pm
I love Meds and I was one that was saying he needed to b starting early on last year. But, he will not be the Meds we saw last year probably again. Think about it, nobody has been that good. He came off Tommy John and up til last year he was a guy that most did not want in the rotation. Again, I love him but the liklihood of him duplicating last year again and then sustaing it is slim.
If someone loves him more than he’s worth and is banking on him breaking the scoreless inning record time after time, you gotta consider getting proven position guys that can produce runs.
December 6th, 201210:30 pm
I don’t think anyone is thinking Meds will repeat what he did last year. But he proved he is a solid starter that can be great. No reason to give up on him right now.
December 6th, 201210:33 pm
Meds will be our best starter next year. Without the funds for a free agent or someone ready to step in, have to keep him
December 6th, 201210:37 pm
I think we are agreeing mosty. However, 4 years or so most would have said the same thing about Hanson and JJ. 2 years ago Delgado and Tehran. I just think sometimes we tend to hold guys with potential or a year of success in much higher regard than a guy with a 370 OBP and a 265 to 270 average and 30 or so homers for 4 or 5 years in a row.
December 6th, 201210:40 pm
Except that Meds has shown he is capable- Delgado & Teheran have yet to do so (although they are both still young) and Tommy & JJ had flashes but struggled also. There is no reason, right now, to deal Meds when he has shown that he can be a top notch starter. If he struggles this year, you reconsider. But as of now, he’s more valuable to the team than WIllingham would be.
December 6th, 201210:41 pm
I don’t think anyone is thinking Meds will repeat what he did last year.
Except me and the blog wunderkind…
December 6th, 201210:49 pm
I hear you but he’ll never be more of a commodity than he is now. All that said, would I trade Meds for Willingham? No. But, I’d listen to teams that needed starting pitchers bad.
Last year at the deadline, would I have traded Delgado for Dempster? No way if I’m the Braves. But if I were the Cubs, I’d been all over that.
I’m afraid that this year if our K rate is where I suspect it will be at the deadline which will mean we’ll be scoring very few runs consistently, we may have several guys we can get a fortune of talent for.
December 6th, 201210:50 pm
Wren is obvious to everyone not liking what teams are wanting for their players, certainly Willingham would have to fall in this category. Platoon or bust, folks.
December 6th, 201210:52 pm
Sorry, I just like saying ‘folks’ for some reason. Makes me feel like I know what I’m talking about.
December 6th, 201210:53 pm
While I don’t think Medlen will repeat what he did last year, I also don’t think he’s forgotten what got him to that level of success. So, he’s untouchable…There’s more than enough other arms that can be dangled…
you go Chipper!
December 6th, 201210:54 pm
Trades, obviously, are a big risk. Yes Meds is a high commodity right now, but like I said, I feel he is more valuable to the Braves than WIllingham would be. We have several guys that can supply power, we don’t have much beyond Huddy that can provide consistent pitching from the starter position. Meds can do that. I am of the belief that if you have good pitching, you don’t have to put the pressure on your hitters to score 5-8 runs per night to win. And until Meds proves that is NOT something he is capable of doing, there are few players in the league I’d be willing to trade him for
Also- again, the Twins have no urgent need to trade Willingham. So I am betting they will wait and see what is offered and noting short of a #2-#4 or better starter will entice them to make the deal. At least for now
December 6th, 201211:01 pm
As long as I don’t see Constanza in LF
December 6th, 201211:03 pm
I’m a Meds fan too, big time! I just hope we can score. We have no leadoff hitter, a ton of Ks in sight throughout the lineup, no hitter in left, black hole at 2nd, replacement catchers to start the year, lower OBP and more Ks in CF than Uggs had…:( Worried about our club!
December 6th, 201211:10 pm
the last 2 years, WIllingham has K’d 150 & 141 times Uggla, for comparison, has 156 & 168 and walked a league high 94 times last year to Willingham’s 76). Big power often comes with a lot of strike outs. Our lineup is more than capable of hitting for power with Upton, Uggla, Mac, Heyward, & Freeman. We will find either a LF (most likely) or a 3rd baseman to fill our needs. It’s only December 6th (on nearly the 7th depending on where you live). Plenty of time.
December 6th, 201211:12 pm
I like Wren’s patience. Outside of the Span deal, which could have just been the Twins liking the Nats prospect better than ours, I have not seen a single signing or trade that I felt we missed out on. No reason to over pay this far away from the season. We have decent options in house that could surprise us (Francisco, Gattis, possibly Constanza). If not, we will still be able to make a trade down the line.
December 6th, 201211:16 pm
A.P. – agree. Span is the only one so far that I thought was a reasonable price and one that Frank may have paid
December 6th, 201211:30 pm
Anyways, I am calling it a night. Have a good one. all!
December 6th, 201211:38 pm
Same here. I’m out
what about andres torres its fast !! cheap $$
December 6th, 201211:39 pm
December 6th, 201211:47 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
1B RUBEN GOTAY [.188 BA] 0-4
PH CHRIS GARCIA [.185 BA] 0-1, 1 SO.
RF JOSH KROEGER [.289 BA] 2-4, 2 SO, 1 CS .
LHRP LUIS AVILAN [.1.47 ERA] 2.0 IP, pristine, 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.309 BA] 0-3, 1 BB.
ERNESTO has fallen into one of his patented swoons at the plate hitting an anemic .205 his lasty 10 games.
DH EVAN GATTIS [.278 BA] 0-1.
EVAN has been on the bench the past four games.
December 6th, 201211:48 pm
Me three. NYTOL
December 6th, 201211:50 pm
Chipper E. Jones did not make an error on his new playboy playmate
Like I care how many times an 850 hitter Ks……
December 6th, 201211:51 pm
Easily the best play he has made in the last three seasons.
December 6th, 201211:52 pm
And she loves hunting
December 6th, 201211:54 pm
At least Chipper’s oldest son will have someone around his age to talk to.
December 6th, 201211:55 pm
Just saw that you crushed ODU – after barely losing to you guys, we beat them – I am becoming concerned that we might have a decent year…
December 6th, 201211:56 pm
dont laugh, i love the upton signing.
for once we sigined somone that upside.
December 6th, 201211:59 pm
And this is why, despite your frequent lapses into sanity, you are still a fool, playing blog morality monitor like it is your business what adults do with their lives…
dont care about the rest. we already better at ss.
that was everybodys concern.
December 7th, 201212:01 am
simmons at ss makes us better going into spring last season no matter who plays left last season.
December 7th, 201212:02 am
If you want something to look at tonight you can Google Lexi ray taylor aka Taylor Higgins and she what kind of off season Chipper is having.
And time for me to move on…
December 7th, 201212:05 am
No hating from me Jim, I am glad to see him rebound from a tough playoff loss.
December 7th, 201212:07 am
Blog morality monitor cuts both ways. The same could be said of the people who start crying when Lentz posts anything.
t was 4 medlin when mispelling meddlens name was only unkewl cause u couldnt spell in general
December 7th, 201212:09 am
The story about Chipper dating a playboy model is on this website and I assume would be open for discussion.
December 7th, 201212:11 am
vj. tell me they played “thunder road”
December 7th, 201212:12 am
Ken, your review of the Boss a few nights ago was excellent. Enjoy your weatth of musical knowledge.
December 7th, 201212:14 am
I hope you were able to catch the Led Zep interview on Letterman this week.
December 7th, 201212:19 am
so the king said tp the queen
how we gonna get them yanks
into a war
and she said throwem inside
December 7th, 201212:20 am
i have come to the inclusion that TOBF is trying to put together a BOY band.
his inclusion is whether or not they are cute.
got a beard. you are cooked. he likes cute guys.
December 7th, 201212:22 am
The Braves could really use a guy with a solid OBP. Maybe BJ gets his back up. Not looking for an elite player. Those don’t seem to be available. Just need someone to add depth to the lineup. Otherwise we’ll be seeing a whole lot of solo homers.
December 7th, 201212:24 am
Johnny the fox he called to jimmy the weed
He said “hey man, I know your name”
I seen you cruising with the low riders
Hanging out down on first street and main
Tuned into and listen to the hoodoo rhythm devils
Around the bay
They’ve got some crazy djs
Send you right out to heaven
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/thin+lizzy/johnny+the+fox+meets+jimmy+the+weed_20136625.html ]
Jimmy the weed for greed was taken aback
Johnny the fox you old sly cat
Cleverly the fox concealed his stash
Crisp dollar bills leave no tracks
In the back of a black cadillac
The voodoo music travels
Down skid row only black men can go
The shady deal unravels
Johnny the fox, hot to hustle
Jimmy the weed won’t use no muscle
That cat’s so sly, slick and subtle
Johnny the fox breaks out the bottle
Tuned into and listening to
The voodoo music travels
The beating drum for the lonely one
Sends you out to heaven
chipper got alot of batting practice pitches for the go away tour
and im a huge chipper fan
but them was some gimmes in there and he missed some of them.
hes still first rounder hof
December 7th, 201212:26 am
voodoo music must be a ,marley tune
December 7th, 201212:28 am
id forgot all about the thin lizzy tour
December 7th, 201212:29 am
December 7th, 201212:34 am
Nowhere man:Thank you, but after reading the Grammy nominees, I feel like I don’t know diddley about music anymore…I used to know every song and singer every year, but now I am way out of the loop. And no, I missed Led Zep on Letterman…what did they say? Touring again? I thought Page and Plant nixed that.
hot for muscle
mines disapperaing traded it for a waist\34 in the waist thats about 6mo than i need b
good thing i used to be stacked or i guess theyd all be gone now
never did like ;looking in the mirror but its sad to see atrophycation taking place right in front of ya and now when i look its all i can see what i used to be and what ive been reduced too
December 7th, 201212:36 am
but i still feel good til i look in the mirror
December 7th, 201212:40 am
Phil Lynott with Gorham and Robertson and/or Gary Moore was one hot band.
December 7th, 201212:51 am
I still like Willingham. I know he has some strikeouts but man he can crush some homers and makes everyone in front of him get better pitches to hit. I do not think he strikes out anymore than Bourne but has 4 times the power numbers and has right hand bat. While he is not a speed burner you still have some at 3rd,short,center and right. He is pretty clutch too.
December 7th, 20121:12 am
I like Willingham or Choo, too, we need an old fashioned slugger. I don’t care for a light hitting speedster, we already have that in Constanza, plus Hayward and Upton will provide plenty of speed.
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