What do you make of all these Justin Upton rumors going on here is AZ? It seems inevitable to me that the D-Backs are gonna do something really dumb like trade a future MVP for a fringe All Star shortstop like Asdubal Cabrera. Thoughts?
Klaw (1:06 PM)
I think that might be posturing to push the Rangers to up their offer. If the Rangers believe Andrus is too much (he is) for Upton, then why not ask Arizona to add something to balance it out? If Andrus for Upton is unbalanced, what about offering Andrus for Upton and Bauer? Maybe the Rangers would have to add something small to their end, but I don’t think Andrus for Upton is a non-starter, just incomplete.
Andrus – two years, is too much for Upton – three years? Hmm…
Braves were interested in Bonifacio for super utility, and are checking into Dee Gordan. Maybe planning on him to play LF, and SS. Don’t know if any thing will happen, but sounds interesting at the most.
It never occurred to me that Wren, Gonzalez, and others were plants from the Florida Marlin organization (Did Wren ever work for the Marlins). I now see clearly that a plot has been hatched in South Florida to tear down the Braves. But why? And who really benefits? Thanks, Norman for opening my eyes.
Efrim,do you believe Andrus is too much for Upton? It would seem to me a pretty fair trade for Rangers. 2years of control for Andrus vs. 3 for Upton. Also have Profar waiting in wings.
Ward, I have no clue where you are getting Dee Gordon from. SS is the only position he’s played professionally. No reason to think the Braves have interest in him. Alex Gordon though, sure.
Just Braves are checking into him. Wren, want’s a young team. He’s going to get some one like a Dexter Fowler, or Dee Gordan type player with speed. I think he will get us some one like that, or sign Ichiro…..
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
Co-Sign, With all our weapons in the Farm, that would’ve been an easy move, I think Wren is already Drunk and passed out? He needs to Get Justin Upton by tomorrow Morning, That will be my X-Mas present
No. Fair trade to me. And adding Bauer to it is silly. Law looks bad there and positional value is out of control with that statement, imo. Andrus is really good, but he is not an overpay for Justin Upton.
If Braves could get Bourn at around what BJ Upton was at, then sure, I think the Braves should do it. Upton has to essentially perform as a LF anyways and he isn’t going to hit leadoff, and he isn’t a great defensive CF. All the more reason to put him in LF.
As for Willingham, a guy putting up his numbers is exactly what the Braves need. Good slugging, good on base. He may be a little older than we’d like, but he is cheap and has some really nice career averages.
We all know about Andrelton Simmons’ glove, but what is the outlook for his bat? He had some nice numbers last year, but that was a pretty SSS. What is realistic to expect moving forward?
Klaw (1:42 PM)
It’s all batting average/BABIP. If he hits an empty .300 most years, which seems like a reasonable/optimistic forecast, he’s an All-Star.
Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
Someone Mentioned on the Buck and Kinkade Show that they should just give the LF job to Constanza…And I agree, If and Only if we trade for a Nasty Weapon at the Trade Deadline, assuming B-Macc Walks
Carroll, so you would have given up Minor and Delgado for Revere? Because that is roughly equivalent to what the Phillies gave.
I think Minor and Delgado are better than Worley and May, but it’s still an overpay for Revere. CF defense is great, but the kid will be lucky to hit .700.
If and when the dust settles, I would like to see the Braves end up with Olt and Bonifacio. Not sure if it is feasible or remotely possible. I could part with Teheran, Francisco, Gilmartin, and one or two other pieces not named Simmons and Delgado for these two. Am I crazy? Do not answer.
Rays should trade a proven elite starter for a rookie phenom, but it would be bad for the Braves to trade a good pitcher who just pitched out of his mind, but is relatively unproven compared to Shields. He’s also got an extra year of control more than James and is cheaper…
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
yall are weird. ben revere is not worth getting, and certainly not worth getting bent out of shape about. gee whiz, y’all.
tomahawkin Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
you mean he will have a .350 OBP and steal 50 bags a year? plus play better defense? whats the problem? (ps, folwer is not much like juan pierre at all)
Question for anyone on the board that wishes to opine…. if it ends up that Bourn gets a similar deal to BJ’s(I’ve said all along that I don’t see him getting more than 5/80) who would you rather have playing centerfield for the Braves. Salary equal what player fits the Braves best….I know we have BJ signed but curious if people on the blog would rather of had Bourn if contracts were equal.
Twins want more pitching??? Gilmartin and Spruill for Willy. I’d only do it if I can’t get JU or Choo, though. And hopefully, Josh wouldnt mind being more of a part-time player in 2014, cuz Id sign Pence or Hart for LF after the season. Guess we could always trade him again…
I’m not saying that Revere and Span should have been top priority
Yeah, I know you weren’t, man. I don’t consider you to be one “those guys”. I just kinda used your post as a take-off point to address some of the folks that I do consider numbnuts. Probably ought to be more careful about that kind of thing.
Bourn and Upton are probably close to a wash overall. Bourn gets the edge on defense, and gives you the leadoff hitter (well, at least for half the season). Upton gives you decent D and a big power RH bat.
With Bourn’s up and down season, I’ll like our chances with Upton. Now, if we can get him and Uggla to coordinate their streakyness………..
If it were a choice between Bourn and BJ, beekay, I would have to go with Constanza. Just kidding, I would go with Bourn, but I’d have to begrudgingly. Not a big fan of either player.
His production and salary will always have production, so we could easily move him if Gattis, Cunningham or a FA is a better fit. They want pitching, if we could get it done without Teheran/Delgado i would jump on it.
Beekay- Bj Upton. People talk about his K’s, but they were comparable to Bourns. Gives equal speed, and a great deal more power.
I’m thinking to get Willingham we are going to have to give up one of Teheran/Delgado and another from a list of Gilmartin/Graham/Spruill etc. And maybe one more offensive piece from mid minors.
will probably cost too much for Willy… like Teheran, Delgado, plus another spect. I think even Teheran is too much for him. Gilmartin and Spruill, 2 mid level guys is what Id offer at most.
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
Co-Sign, With all our weapons in the Farm, that would’ve been an easy move, I think Wren is already Drunk and passed out? He needs to Get Justin Upton by tomorrow Morning, That will be my X-Mas present
You would have been okay trading away Mike Minor and Randall Delgado for Ben Revere?
You do realize then that our rotation would be in shambles just like it was when Wren became the GM and tried so hard to make sure that that nevered happened again.
I would have NEVER made that trade. Giving up our #3 starter and our #2 prosepct, depleting our rotation and rotation “insurance” for Ben Revere. Sorry, but, no way!
Could you imagine the backlash on this blog if Wren would have made that trade?
Pitchforks and torches.
Twins want more pitching??? Gilmartin and Spruill for Willy.
I’ve probably been the forum’s biggest Willingham tout (even before he was a twinkle in the blog’s eye, LOL), but I’m not sure he would be the right acquisition now. Not after Upton has come aboard. I’m afraid the cost and risk would no longer be worth the candle.
“tomahawkin Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
you mean he will have a .350 OBP and steal 50 bags a year? plus play better defense? whats the problem? (ps, folwer is not much like juan pierre at all)”
I Dunno Man, I just have a nasty feeling in my Big Boy Gut that Fowler wont hit or steal nowhere near as many bases here. Maybe that Nasty feeling is from Eating 2 Whoppers and 2 sides of fries
“You would have been okay trading away Mike Minor and Randall Delgado for Ben Revere? ”
I think ol Frankie could have traded Slop like the Rev to get Revere, He has done it before, Look at the Deal for Bourn, He gave the Astros Total Slop when he traded for him
Choo makes the most sense to me. But who knows what Cleveland wants to do at this point. They are after vets for a corner outfield spot and first base.
Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap.
Braves really painted themselves in a corner with BJ Upton. He isn’t really a power guy and he isn’t a leadoff guy, and he isn’t a good defensive CF. But yet he isn’t a good enough hitter to be a LFer.
Other GM’s getting things done ,, yeah Other GM’s are over paying either on FA’s or in trades. Wren thank you for not getting in on that nonsense. Notice how other GM’s that have a long history of making deals were extremely quiet along with Wren, Cashman, Jocketty just to name a few.
Same idiots that are freaking out over what we are paying BJ….are freaking out because we haven’t gotten a LF yet. Have you seen the prices? I would love a front line guy, ore even secondary one…but…currently none are worth NEARLY what the reports say they are asking.
Besides, it’s just December 6 (the day before the day that will live in infamy).
I wager whatever your house is worth that deal never happens. Not in any universe inhabited by humans, in which those humans have watched Dexter Fowler play.
You guys are starting to sound like trade-monkeys on crack, LOL.
No he doesn’t He fits very few of the Braves needs besides being young, athletic and has untapped potential. Not to mention we gave him a ton of money.
“Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap. ”
No Effing Way Bro…His Arm is Garbage. You will be like me, Throwing stuff during the games watching opposing teams runners run at will on his noodle arm…I will roll with Contanza over Pierre
Ward: Agreed. At this point, I would put all my efforts into signing Ichiro.
The trade market seems to ridiculous with teams’ expectations of returns for their players.
Swoop in and sign Ichiro while everyone else is waiting for the Hamilton situation to play itself out.
Ichiro might not be the even the 5th option that the Braves had after they traded Hanson, but he’s looking pretty good a this point….a certainaly a whole hell of a lot better than Constanza or Juan Francisco in the starting lineup.
Not to mention Ichiro should probably put some butts in the seats
tomahawkin I just have a nasty feeling in my Big Boy Gut that Fowler wont hit or steal nowhere near as many bases here.
he doesnt really steal many bases anywhere, which is kind of my point. he has gotten on base pretty well, but with significantly better slugging than pierre, making them not really very similar players.
but yeah, i dont think fowler would hit as well with atlanta either, though i dont think he would be bad.
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap.
Braves really painted themselves in a corner with BJ Upton. He isn’t really a power guy and he isn’t a leadoff guy, and he isn’t a good defensive CF. But yet he isn’t a good enough hitter to be a LFer.
28 HR’s isn’t a power guy? Would’ve led the Braves last year. Entering his prime and can hit more hitting in a better line-up with our Braves. He wasn’t signed to be a lead-off hitter, and all his peers in MLB said he is a really good CF with an excellent arm.
And then you want the Braves to get Juan Pierre? You feeling alright today MFin?
MFin04 -No he doesn’t He fits very few of the Braves needs besides being young, athletic and has untapped potential.
Gotta hate those players that are young, athletic, and have untapped potential. Can’t have those players on our team.
Seriously, I was a bit quesy about the signing. But, there are baseball experts and bloggers smarter than me who seem to think it was a good signing for the Braves. If Upton taps into his potential, it will turn into a great signing. It is a reasonable roll of the dice, in my humble opinion.
A Braves deal for Revere would have been a bad one. Even for a guy like him, who has good but not great potential, the Twins were asking for nothing but a winning trade on their side. And why shouldnt they, they had no need to move him unless they got an offer that was in their favor.
Im scared that Fowler wont hit here…Id rather give ol Constanza a Chance to play everyday, If he isnt cutting it by June, then Wren should Trade for a Nasty Hit Stick! Assuming B-Macc Walks
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Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:33 pm
Hello everyone! Braves are checing into Dee Gordan, and were also checking into Emilio Bonifacio.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:33 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Sandy Alderson departs winter meetings without resolution on RA Dickey. Extension and trade remain possibilities.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:33 pm
Max (AZ)
What do you make of all these Justin Upton rumors going on here is AZ? It seems inevitable to me that the D-Backs are gonna do something really dumb like trade a future MVP for a fringe All Star shortstop like Asdubal Cabrera. Thoughts?
Klaw (1:06 PM)
I think that might be posturing to push the Rangers to up their offer. If the Rangers believe Andrus is too much (he is) for Upton, then why not ask Arizona to add something to balance it out? If Andrus for Upton is unbalanced, what about offering Andrus for Upton and Bauer? Maybe the Rangers would have to add something small to their end, but I don’t think Andrus for Upton is a non-starter, just incomplete.
Andrus – two years, is too much for Upton – three years? Hmm…
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
1:34 pm
Worley had a really good year in 2011. Interesting move.
I know it’s an outside thought, but it would be amazing if Michael Bourn was a Brave next year. Somehow, someway.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:35 pm
JMR (Chicago)
Myers for Shileds is a bad move for KC, right? Why wouldn’t they try to do Myers for Profar? It would solve a problem for both teams.
Klaw (1:08 PM)
Myers for Shields will be the death rattle for that regime. Myers for Profar isn’t a good deal for Texas.
Why would it be the “death rattle”? Myers is a prospect and Shields is a major league player for a team that is a contender…….
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:36 pm
Braves were interested in Bonifacio for super utility, and are checking into Dee Gordan. Maybe planning on him to play LF, and SS. Don’t know if any thing will happen, but sounds interesting at the most.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:36 pm
Why Is Everyone Lusting for Willingham…? The Braves are gonna have To Dump the Farm to get him…he is not worth it, he is not a game changer!
Don’t Do It Frankie…!!! He is not worth it! Think about what ya mama would say if you made a dumb #### deal to get him!
Carroll
December 6th, 2012
1:37 pm
Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:37 pm
S/O’s to Ward and MFIN04….!
richbrave
December 6th, 2012
1:37 pm
MFin04:
You mean if he takes the offer WREN put on the table? Anything better than that would be problematic.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:37 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
#Rangers, #Diamondbacks, #Rays still at meetings, working on Upton blockbuster.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:38 pm
It never occurred to me that Wren, Gonzalez, and others were plants from the Florida Marlin organization (Did Wren ever work for the Marlins). I now see clearly that a plot has been hatched in South Florida to tear down the Braves. But why? And who really benefits? Thanks, Norman for opening my eyes.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:39 pm
Chris (Alabama)
Could you see the Braves acquiring either Alex Gordon or Jacoby Ellsbury in a package centered around Randall Delgado?
Klaw (1:22 PM)
No.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:39 pm
Wren, want’s a young team. I don’t think Wren will give up the farm for Willingham.
CB
December 6th, 2012
1:40 pm
Efrim,do you believe Andrus is too much for Upton? It would seem to me a pretty fair trade for Rangers. 2years of control for Andrus vs. 3 for Upton. Also have Profar waiting in wings.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:40 pm
Any Word on the Braves trying to Get Michael Young? I was Lusting for him years ago…!
He can be had for cheap assuming that Texas eats some of his salary….
Rick C
December 6th, 2012
1:40 pm
Ward, I have no clue where you are getting Dee Gordon from. SS is the only position he’s played professionally. No reason to think the Braves have interest in him. Alex Gordon though, sure.
Rick C
December 6th, 2012
1:41 pm
Carroll, so you would have given up Minor and Delgado for Revere? Because that is roughly equivalent to what the Phillies gave.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:41 pm
Joey (Oakland )
Should Tampa do Myers for Shields straight up or hold out for more?
Klaw (1:29 PM)
Sure they should hold out for more, but in the end they should be willing to take Myers for Shields straight up.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:42 pm
Just Braves are checking into him. Wren, want’s a young team. He’s going to get some one like a Dexter Fowler, or Dee Gordan type player with speed. I think he will get us some one like that, or sign Ichiro…..
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:42 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
#Rays’ Friedman has never done a three-way trade. Friend with another club says he is determined to get one done. Four-way possible too.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:43 pm
Jason Martinez @mlbdepthcharts
RT @BenGoesslingPP Terry Ryan said Darin Mastroianni, Joe Benson and Aaron Hicks will all get chances to compete for #MNTwins’ CF job.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:43 pm
Carroll
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
Co-Sign, With all our weapons in the Farm, that would’ve been an easy move, I think Wren is already Drunk and passed out? He needs to Get Justin Upton by tomorrow Morning, That will be my X-Mas present
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:43 pm
do you believe Andrus is too much for Upton?
No. Fair trade to me. And adding Bauer to it is silly. Law looks bad there and positional value is out of control with that statement, imo. Andrus is really good, but he is not an overpay for Justin Upton.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:43 pm
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Terry Ryan just told us he will continue to listen on deals for Josh Willingham and Justin Mourneau if he can get more starting pitching
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
1:44 pm
If Braves could get Bourn at around what BJ Upton was at, then sure, I think the Braves should do it. Upton has to essentially perform as a LF anyways and he isn’t going to hit leadoff, and he isn’t a great defensive CF. All the more reason to put him in LF.
As for Willingham, a guy putting up his numbers is exactly what the Braves need. Good slugging, good on base. He may be a little older than we’d like, but he is cheap and has some really nice career averages.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:44 pm
Jason Martinez Jason Martinez @mlbdepthcharts
RT @BrinkPG #RedSox announce that #Pirates RHP Kyle Kaminska is PTBNL for Zach Stewart trade.
Rick C
December 6th, 2012
1:44 pm
Ward, I’ve been following this stuff religiously lately and have not seen a single rumor connecting the Braves to Dee Gordon.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:44 pm
Andy (Hawaii)
We all know about Andrelton Simmons’ glove, but what is the outlook for his bat? He had some nice numbers last year, but that was a pretty SSS. What is realistic to expect moving forward?
Klaw (1:42 PM)
It’s all batting average/BABIP. If he hits an empty .300 most years, which seems like a reasonable/optimistic forecast, he’s an All-Star.
Agreed.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:46 pm
Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
Someone Mentioned on the Buck and Kinkade Show that they should just give the LF job to Constanza…And I agree, If and Only if we trade for a Nasty Weapon at the Trade Deadline, assuming B-Macc Walks
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
1:47 pm
Enter your comments here
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:47 pm
Carroll, so you would have given up Minor and Delgado for Revere? Because that is roughly equivalent to what the Phillies gave.
I think Minor and Delgado are better than Worley and May, but it’s still an overpay for Revere. CF defense is great, but the kid will be lucky to hit .700.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:48 pm
If and when the dust settles, I would like to see the Braves end up with Olt and Bonifacio. Not sure if it is feasible or remotely possible. I could part with Teheran, Francisco, Gilmartin, and one or two other pieces not named Simmons and Delgado for these two. Am I crazy? Do not answer.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:48 pm
Rick, you should look in the right places…….
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:49 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Jack hannahan, non-tendered by indians, is inspiring a bidding war. not kidding. 3B market is like that
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
1:49 pm
Anyone wanna translate Keith Law for me?!
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:50 pm
Rick, go to SI, and Atlanta Braves Sports Daily…….Never give out a source, but it looks like I might have too…
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
1:50 pm
Rays should trade a proven elite starter for a rookie phenom, but it would be bad for the Braves to trade a good pitcher who just pitched out of his mind, but is relatively unproven compared to Shields. He’s also got an extra year of control more than James and is cheaper…
Hmm
Rick C
December 6th, 2012
1:52 pm
Ward, if you have a source, then post it. Otherwise I’m calling BS.
Parkway
December 6th, 2012
1:52 pm
Wonder if Mr. Rosenthal is getting paid by Blockbuster every time he throws that word out. Sheesh. I’ve about had it with speculation reporting…
The A Bomb
December 6th, 2012
1:54 pm
Well they said this is what expansion would do — dilute the talent.
It has finally happened.
DAP
December 6th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
yall are weird. ben revere is not worth getting, and certainly not worth getting bent out of shape about. gee whiz, y’all.
tomahawkin Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
you mean he will have a .350 OBP and steal 50 bags a year? plus play better defense? whats the problem? (ps, folwer is not much like juan pierre at all)
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:55 pm
3B market is like that
Prado, if not extended by the Braves, is going to get seriously paid next year.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
1:55 pm
Dexter Fowler is not Juan Pierre. That’s ridiculous.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:55 pm
Try also MLB Sporting News. Don’t know what’s one recently there, but it has great info, and the latest.
A.P.
December 6th, 2012
1:56 pm
Willingham at 7 Mil a year would be great. He put up huge numbers last year. What do you guys think it would cost to get him?
beekay
December 6th, 2012
1:57 pm
Question for anyone on the board that wishes to opine…. if it ends up that Bourn gets a similar deal to BJ’s(I’ve said all along that I don’t see him getting more than 5/80) who would you rather have playing centerfield for the Braves. Salary equal what player fits the Braves best….I know we have BJ signed but curious if people on the blog would rather of had Bourn if contracts were equal.
tony austin
December 6th, 2012
1:57 pm
Carroll, so you would have given up Minor and Delgado for Revere? Because that is roughly equivalent to what the Phillies gave. – Rick C
Could you imagine the backlash on this blog if Wren would have made that trade?
Ward
December 6th, 2012
1:57 pm
meant to say on recently…..
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
1:58 pm
Twins want more pitching??? Gilmartin and Spruill for Willy. I’d only do it if I can’t get JU or Choo, though. And hopefully, Josh wouldnt mind being more of a part-time player in 2014, cuz Id sign Pence or Hart for LF after the season. Guess we could always trade him again…
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
1:59 pm
I’m not saying that Revere and Span should have been top priority
Yeah, I know you weren’t, man. I don’t consider you to be one “those guys”.
I just kinda used your post as a take-off point to address some of the folks that I do consider numbnuts. Probably ought to be more careful about that kind of thing.
DS1
December 6th, 2012
2:00 pm
beekay
Bourn and Upton are probably close to a wash overall. Bourn gets the edge on defense, and gives you the leadoff hitter (well, at least for half the season). Upton gives you decent D and a big power RH bat.
With Bourn’s up and down season, I’ll like our chances with Upton. Now, if we can get him and Uggla to coordinate their streakyness………..
tony austin
December 6th, 2012
2:01 pm
If it were a choice between Bourn and BJ, beekay, I would have to go with Constanza.
Just kidding, I would go with Bourn, but I’d have to begrudgingly. Not a big fan of either player.
A.P.
December 6th, 2012
2:02 pm
His production and salary will always have production, so we could easily move him if Gattis, Cunningham or a FA is a better fit. They want pitching, if we could get it done without Teheran/Delgado i would jump on it.
Beekay- Bj Upton. People talk about his K’s, but they were comparable to Bourns. Gives equal speed, and a great deal more power.
DS1
December 6th, 2012
2:02 pm
I’m thinking to get Willingham we are going to have to give up one of Teheran/Delgado and another from a list of Gilmartin/Graham/Spruill etc. And maybe one more offensive piece from mid minors.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
2:02 pm
will probably cost too much for Willy… like Teheran, Delgado, plus another spect. I think even Teheran is too much for him. Gilmartin and Spruill, 2 mid level guys is what Id offer at most.
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
2:03 pm
Ben Rever is Juan Pierre.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:03 pm
Braves are not in on the Justin Upton market…..
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
2:03 pm
Revere I meant.
Patrick
December 6th, 2012
2:03 pm
Carroll
“Are you kidding me?!? We could’ve had Revere and we let the Philluies get him? unreal. So done with Wren.”
Co-Sign, With all our weapons in the Farm, that would’ve been an easy move, I think Wren is already Drunk and passed out? He needs to Get Justin Upton by tomorrow Morning, That will be my X-Mas present
You would have been okay trading away Mike Minor and Randall Delgado for Ben Revere?
You do realize then that our rotation would be in shambles just like it was when Wren became the GM and tried so hard to make sure that that nevered happened again.
I would have NEVER made that trade. Giving up our #3 starter and our #2 prosepct, depleting our rotation and rotation “insurance” for Ben Revere. Sorry, but, no way!
A.P.
December 6th, 2012
2:03 pm
I was thinking the same thing DS1
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
2:04 pm
Revere with a better arm…slightly.
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
2:04 pm
Could you imagine the backlash on this blog if Wren would have made that trade?
Pitchforks and torches.
Twins want more pitching??? Gilmartin and Spruill for Willy.
I’ve probably been the forum’s biggest Willingham tout (even before he was a twinkle in the blog’s eye, LOL), but I’m not sure he would be the right acquisition now. Not after Upton has come aboard. I’m afraid the cost and risk would no longer be worth the candle.
CB
December 6th, 2012
2:06 pm
No, Ben Revere is not Juan Pierre. Pierre was a good player in his prime.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:07 pm
@DAP
“tomahawkin Im not sold on Dexter Fowler…Not for 4 mill, he is a Juan Pierre with a better arm…
you mean he will have a .350 OBP and steal 50 bags a year? plus play better defense? whats the problem? (ps, folwer is not much like juan pierre at all)”
I Dunno Man, I just have a nasty feeling in my Big Boy Gut that Fowler wont hit or steal nowhere near as many bases here. Maybe that Nasty feeling is from Eating 2 Whoppers and 2 sides of fries
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
2:08 pm
Ok, forget Bonifacio. For me, it is either get on the Choo train or the Olt mobile.
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
2:08 pm
I am referring to Ben Revere at 24 and Juan Pierre at 24. Very similiar players.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 6th, 2012
2:09 pm
Fowler>Pierre not even close. Fowler still young as well.
Teheran for Fowler. Works for both teams. No more no less. Nice and simple.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
2:09 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: If Ryan Ludwick stays with #Reds, it likely will be for less money than he might have received elsewhere. Still mulling options.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:10 pm
@P-Daddy, AKA Patrick
“You would have been okay trading away Mike Minor and Randall Delgado for Ben Revere? ”
I think ol Frankie could have traded Slop like the Rev to get Revere, He has done it before, Look at the Deal for Bourn, He gave the Astros Total Slop when he traded for him
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
2:10 pm
Choo makes the most sense to me. But who knows what Cleveland wants to do at this point. They are after vets for a corner outfield spot and first base.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Ben will fill nicley in Philly. The question is how long will Philly have him, and who is Bens’ agent after all this?
Brava
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Exec with club that has tried to trade for RA Dickey: “I think the Mets are going to sign him.” @MLBONFOX
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap.
Braves really painted themselves in a corner with BJ Upton. He isn’t really a power guy and he isn’t a leadoff guy, and he isn’t a good defensive CF. But yet he isn’t a good enough hitter to be a LFer.
I
Ray
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Other GM’s getting things done ,, yeah Other GM’s are over paying either on FA’s or in trades. Wren thank you for not getting in on that nonsense. Notice how other GM’s that have a long history of making deals were extremely quiet along with Wren, Cashman, Jocketty just to name a few.
raleighbravefan
December 6th, 2012
2:12 pm
Blog is laughable. Best comedy in town.
Same idiots that are freaking out over what we are paying BJ….are freaking out because we haven’t gotten a LF yet. Have you seen the prices? I would love a front line guy, ore even secondary one…but…currently none are worth NEARLY what the reports say they are asking.
Besides, it’s just December 6 (the day before the day that will live in infamy).
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:12 pm
I’m big on B.J. Upton he will fit nicely….
DAP
December 6th, 2012
2:12 pm
slowwhiteguy Ben Rever is Juan Pierre.
if hes lucky.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 6th, 2012
2:13 pm
Please no Willingham or Bonifacio. Willingham too old and Bonifacio is made of glass.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:14 pm
@Brava
I dont want Ludwick, he does nothing for me, he’s another streak hitter, we need a Game Changer!
Wow
December 6th, 2012
2:14 pm
SS Rollins
CF Revere
3B Utley
1B Howard
C Ruiz
3B Young
LF Brown
RF Mayberry, Jr.
That is not a very good lineup, imo.”
and this is?
Prado
Upton
Heyward
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Francisco/Constanza
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
2:14 pm
Teheran for Fowler.
I wager whatever your house is worth that deal never happens. Not in any universe inhabited by humans, in which those humans have watched Dexter Fowler play.
You guys are starting to sound like trade-monkeys on crack, LOL.
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
2:15 pm
“I’m big on B.J. Upton he will fit nicely…”
No he doesn’t He fits very few of the Braves needs besides being young, athletic and has untapped potential. Not to mention we gave him a ton of money.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:15 pm
No need to panic. Wren, his playig his cards right now….
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:16 pm
MFin04
“Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap. ”
No Effing Way Bro…His Arm is Garbage. You will be like me, Throwing stuff during the games watching opposing teams runners run at will on his noodle arm…I will roll with Contanza over Pierre
Ray
December 6th, 2012
2:16 pm
@BravePack, yeah it is a nice idea but we have to remember, the Rocks would have to agree to that. They are wanting more.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
2:17 pm
Wren doesn’t want to pay the price of Delgado or Teheran for the likes of Ben Revere and I don’t blame him at all.
Hopefully the Indians can come to their senses. Them signing Youkilis or Swisher may get them to give up Choo.
Patrick
December 6th, 2012
2:17 pm
Ward: Agreed. At this point, I would put all my efforts into signing Ichiro.
The trade market seems to ridiculous with teams’ expectations of returns for their players.
Swoop in and sign Ichiro while everyone else is waiting for the Hamilton situation to play itself out.
Ichiro might not be the even the 5th option that the Braves had after they traded Hanson, but he’s looking pretty good a this point….a certainaly a whole hell of a lot better than Constanza or Juan Francisco in the starting lineup.
Not to mention Ichiro should probably put some butts in the seats
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:17 pm
Problem is no one reads to educate them selves……All, have a good one! Good talking, and Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:18 pm
Ward
“No need to panic. Wren, his playig his cards right now….”
You better Be Right! Are you willing to take that to the Bank? I want Justin Upton by Tomorrow Morning!
I’m telling you Wren is already Drunk and Passed Out? Come On Frankie, Wake Up!
DAP
December 6th, 2012
2:18 pm
tomahawkin I just have a nasty feeling in my Big Boy Gut that Fowler wont hit or steal nowhere near as many bases here.
he doesnt really steal many bases anywhere, which is kind of my point. he has gotten on base pretty well, but with significantly better slugging than pierre, making them not really very similar players.
but yeah, i dont think fowler would hit as well with atlanta either, though i dont think he would be bad.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 6th, 2012
2:18 pm
MFin04
December 6th, 2012
2:11 pm
Juan Pierre is still a very good player. His numbers are actually exactly what the Braves need and are looking for in LF. Speed/leadoff/on base/SB and is cheap.
Braves really painted themselves in a corner with BJ Upton. He isn’t really a power guy and he isn’t a leadoff guy, and he isn’t a good defensive CF. But yet he isn’t a good enough hitter to be a LFer.
28 HR’s isn’t a power guy? Would’ve led the Braves last year. Entering his prime and can hit more hitting in a better line-up with our Braves. He wasn’t signed to be a lead-off hitter, and all his peers in MLB said he is a really good CF with an excellent arm.
And then you want the Braves to get Juan Pierre? You feeling alright today MFin?
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:19 pm
I should say some people…….Peace Out, and talk tonight, and”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:19 pm
Patrick
“Ward: Agreed. At this point, I would put all my efforts into signing Ichiro.”
Co-Sign, on Both points, and Indeed Ichiro would Put Cheeks In The Seats! he can be had for 3-27
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
2:19 pm
MFin04 -No he doesn’t He fits very few of the Braves needs besides being young, athletic and has untapped potential.
Gotta hate those players that are young, athletic, and have untapped potential. Can’t have those players on our team.
Seriously, I was a bit quesy about the signing. But, there are baseball experts and bloggers smarter than me who seem to think it was a good signing for the Braves. If Upton taps into his potential, it will turn into a great signing. It is a reasonable roll of the dice, in my humble opinion.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
2:19 pm
Ben Ingram @IngramRadio
#Braves have agreed to terms with free-agent outfielder Reed Johnson on a one-year contract for the 2013 season with a club option for 2014.
Murph
December 6th, 2012
2:20 pm
Problem is no one reads to educate them selves……
Ward just called y’all uneducated.
Ward did.
O'Ventbrel
December 6th, 2012
2:22 pm
A Braves deal for Revere would have been a bad one. Even for a guy like him, who has good but not great potential, the Twins were asking for nothing but a winning trade on their side. And why shouldnt they, they had no need to move him unless they got an offer that was in their favor.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
2:22 pm
Teheran for Fowler??? Hell no. Teheran for Choo? Hell yea!
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 6th, 2012
2:22 pm
@DAP
Im scared that Fowler wont hit here…Id rather give ol Constanza a Chance to play everyday, If he isnt cutting it by June, then Wren should Trade for a Nasty Hit Stick! Assuming B-Macc Walks