Boras is going to have to adjust his expectations a bit.
Au contraire, good buddy. Bourn is about the only apple left in the basket, and, if you want an apple (bruised or otherwise), then you pay whatever number pops into the fruit-stand owner’s head.
I don’t think anyone in the Bourn camp is worried about him not having a job in April nor about him being underpaid to get it.
Phillies are adding some table setters (assuming Michael Young accepts). They need one late inning guy and a servicable OF bat and they are right back in it. Braves need to add a LF piece. I’m not against platoon if its a good one but one that has Prado moving back and forth everyday is not appealing.
Phillies still have a lot of cash available to strengthen the rotation if they feel necessary. I could see Amaro doing that with Jackson, Sanchez or Lohse.
That Phillies line-up is not all that scary….and that pitching staff isn’t getting better it’s getting a decline.
Worry about the Nats, that’s who we are up against.
Actually, worrying about other teams that you are chasing or who are chasing you is exactly how a 2011 Sept. slide happens. The Braves need to worry about nobody but themselves. Take care of their own business and play to the best of their abilities, and don’t worry about what everyone else is doing. ATL has no control over what happens in Wash and Philly and elsewhere, so why stress over it?
Wonder if Bourn has a call to Boras and asking, what now? Boras either ignores the call or is calming him down saying I will be giving you about 100m reasons why you will be thanking me. IF Hamilton signs some place other than Tex, I am sure they will be calling Boras.
They need a LH outfielder to platoon with Mayberry, Jr. an 8th inning reliever and a 3rd baseman. But I still could see them spending money to bring in a pitcher. Maybe they will consider Swisher too.
“Gon Viral – Come on Dude – Knoxville is metro Atlanta. So is Charlotte, Charleston, Birmingham, etc.. You didn’t know that?”
I will say this. I love the Braves so much that I once took a job in Norcross in order to get season tickets. Alas, five weeks later, the entire company went under. The conference call was hilarious. The moment we joined the discussion, we heard swearing from another branch.
The truth will finally come out that payroll took a hit. Liberty media has never shown intrest in this team other than the tax saving they get. Ive said it all offseaon if Upton was our big catch and we over pay for him it was just to pay lip service to say we made a move. Upton does not make this team better with the subtraction of Hanson,Chipper and Bourn.
I do agree to a point with Gone Viral about corporations owning sports teams, seems they would be concerned only with bottom line. I know there can be some idiot individual owners but I just can’t stand the thought of heartless, faceless corporations to which we identify with.
I have a hard time believing that Wren couldn’t do as good or better than Vance Worley and Trevor May to get Revere. That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins. Wonder who they are asking for?
Good morning all
FRANK WREN has done a good job over all with what he has to work with. WREN had no way of knowing UGGLA would stink. WRENS only big mistake has been BJ.
Last night I learned from nolie how to usebold so now I can say BJ is a run of mill ballplayer
Subtraction of hanson, Bourn and Chipper? YOu mean the Hanson who had the worst season of his career, still looked injured and ost 5MPH on his velocity, the Bourn who struck out 150 times and didn;t hit for the final three months of the season and the Chipper, who at age 40 gave it all he had and still missed 40 games?
we can look after next season to see if my guys would have performed well enough to improve this club vs. what Franks has done, esp. if Juan or Georgie end up as starters
That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins.
Are we so frothing at the mouth for a trade that we think guys such as Span and Revere are something special that the team missed out on? That there is absolutely no better option to be had than one of those two guys? Come on.
Do the math there bud, uptons production compared to chippers and Bourns combined..not better, do you realize that uggla,heyward,freeman,upton k numbers from last year come up to half of the astros NL total, just those for guys, they wil sit in the middle of the lineup. If your happy with this offseason your crazy
i think that it makes too much sense for them to trade willingham. they probably arent going to be a winning team in the next 2 years. they could comeplete an overhaul and really bulk up thier pitcher prospects by dealing willingham to us.
Ric Flair – Blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Not sure I;ve ever seen anything positive from you before so I’m not expecting it now. Maybe you should wait until all is actually done before you go preaching doom, gloom and protection against falling pieces of sky.
People who defend Liberty Media are to me suffering the sports equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.
If we sold out every game and our attendance was tops in the league and our payroll was still in the middle I’ll start complaining about liberty Media more.
Though I’d also be very happy if we got some rich guy that liked baseball and wanted to put us in the top tier among MLB spenders.
Phils must be desperate to get a good cheap CF, they paid one helluva price. Dang. Those twins really helping their rotation and farm. Situation Id like to start out with as a GM… sell some pieces and stock up my farm plus get a year or two of drafting top 5 to 10. Sets me up wonderfully for years.
Is Liberty Media the perfect ownership no. But at least they let the baseball people to do their jobs. Plus they are not holding payroll down to the 50-70m mark. Over 90m payroll works. Would I like it to be around 110 of course, but I will take LM over Angelos, or Loria all day along with the owners of the Royals or the Twins, Mariners etc. Turner and Steinbrenner were not what I would consider good owners until they got out of the way and let the baseball people do their jobs.
No Scoots, I’m not saying that Revere and Span should have been top priority…I’m more interested in who the Twins were asking for. I’m curious what the other teams see in the Braves system as valuable compared to what Wren and the rest of the front office see as valuable.
Twins are doing a smart thing, stockpiling all these prospects. The Tigers have that division bought for the next few years. No sense in trying to compete.
Boston is loaded with arms in their bullpen: Bailey, Uehara, Bard, Melancon, Aceves, Breslow, Miller, Tazawa and possibly even Franklin Morales if they add a starter.
I think I’ll wait until we finish the ffseason and see who we have at all the positions before I decide whether or not I’m pleased with the moves. So far, the way I see it – to this point – is that Bourn has basically been replaced with a good (if not necessarily as good as Bourn) CFer who has as much speed as Bourn and hits for much more power than MB did while striking out about the same amount and they’ve improved the bullpen with a hard throwing RH set up man. They’ve also jettisoned two pitchers who either were done or radically underperforming.
It’s a start. Let’s wait and see who plays LF for us and who fills out the bench – in only two months until they report to ST and 3.5 months until they axtually play a game that counts.
Murph mentioned the twitter box on the right side being down for a couple of days, seems blog was responding much faster. The blog is kind of like my waist line, the more things I put in it the slower I get.
So, what are the best options left or the Braves? Choo, Alex Gordon, Olt, etc. Who would you be willing to move Teheran for (I would rather keep Delgado than Teheran)? I think I would move Teheran in a deal for Gordon or Olt but not Choo.
I think the dust needs to settle on the possible J. Upton deal and Hamilton/Bourn/Greinke signings before the Braves move on their LF. Once several teams know their place following these deals, one or more teams may look at a Braves’ package more favorable. What do I know, though.
Frank Wren was on MLB tonight last night and talking about the winter meetings and the BJ Upton signing. Said that he was just about done for the offseason but wanted to make one more move. Leaving the impression that he is still looking for that left fielder.
Well, to this point the Braves have a good, young rotation, a phenomenal bullpen that’s likely the best in the league and an everyday lineup that has five players in it that can hit 25 HR. I’m not seeing reason for freaking out here.
I have a hard time believing that Wren couldn’t do as good or better than Vance Worley and Trevor May to get Revere. That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins. Wonder who they are asking for
Are you kidding?! That is the equivalent of us trading the Twins Mike Minor and Teheran or Deladgo for Revere. People on here (myself included) would be going bat sh*t crazy if that happened.
I wonder how this is going to affect the Braves efforts in trying to trade for a Left Fielder. The Phillies gave up A TON in this deal. That is not good news.
Also, you really have to wonder what is going to happen with Bourn. I don’t know that he even has a market anymore. No one seems willing to meet the contact demands that he and Boras are looking for. I know that he has done it time and time again…so, I will be very interested (and suprised to be honest) to see what kind of deal he gets for Bourn…..
Teams seem to be overpaying in the trades so far. As far as I’m concerned, left field is a secondary piece that doesn’t require the Braves overpaying to address. Give it a few weeks for the market to settle out and Wren should be able to find something reasonable. No reason to overpay for guys like Span, Revere or Fowler. They’re not worth it. Let all the craziness pass and move forward from there. New names will come up as the offseason progresses, they always do.
Good morning all
FRANK WREN has done a good job over all with what he has to work with. WREN had no way of knowing UGGLA would stink. WRENS only big mistake has been BJ.
Last night I learned from nolie how to usebold so now I can say BJ is a run of mill ballplayer
George: Let me ask you this….
Would you rather have Shane Victorino in Center at 13+million per year or BJ Upton at 15 mil?
So the Twins get a minor league prospect from the Nats for Span. They get a major league pitchers and minor league prospect for Revere. As for Willingham, the Twins probably are asking the Braves for Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran, and Gattis.
I despise the Twins and their stupid, former dome and Hrbeck, and Knoblach. Luckily, I do not carry grudges anymore.
This offseason is a disappointment… didnt get Bourjos, didnt improve rotqtion, signed for 15mil a avg. CF defender, and .740 OPS player, and didnt sell high on EOF.
But we did lose Hanson and JJ. Still, he’s failed.
I’m not saying Wren should have been in on Revere,Span or Fowler to the point of over paying, I’m just saying other GM’s seem to be getting some things done that Wren isn’t and they all aren’t over paying in those trades. The Span deal was a reasonable deal.
Ok, Wren doesn’t want to over pay in a trade, yet he doesn’t mind significantly overpaying a FA like Upton, Uggla and Lowe? So I suppose while others are making the deals to fill their clubs needs for next year, Wren is prepared to hope a deal that he likes falls into his lap sometime later? Its either that or Georgie and Francisco and hope. ( they haven’t even resigned Reed Johnson, yet if at all)
I actually like Ben Revere, the guy is a highlight reel in the outfield and can flat out run. If he can progress offensively, he could be a good MLB starter…
…but I doubt he will be a great one. I certainly would not have given up two pitchers like Minor or Delgado/Teheran for him. Props once again to FW for not biting on an uneven trade.
THERE IS NO WAY THE BRAVES ARE LOOKING FOR AN OPTION FOR LEADOFF AND LEFTFIELD IF PHILLIES CAN TRADE FOR BEN REVERE FOR VANCE WORLEY AND MINOR LEAGUE PITCHER. ATLANTA COULD HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MATCH OR BETTER THAT TRADE. FRANK WREN AND CREW ARE STONEWALLING EVERYONE AND BLOWING SMOKE UP ALL OUR SKIRTS!!! FIRE WREN AND ALL HIS FOLLOWERS. THEY CAME FROM THE FLORIDA MARLIN ORGANIZATION AND LOOK WHERE THEY ARE!!!!
I agree with the majority of posters on here, don’t trade the farm for a guy who would be a marginal player, at best, in LF.
Simmons or Prado can lead off if we need them to. If Simmons doesn’t hit enough, you can easily hit Prado/Heyward 1-2. Although I don’t think that’ll happen. Simmons is going to be a beast.
Right now we have two players who can likely fill a position on this team, Francisco and Gattis, and I’m really hoping Gattis is ready to step it up. He’s 26. Doesn’t need much more “development”, he’s shown he can hit at AA and in the Dominican, let’s see if he can do it in the bigs.
Braves payroll isn’t going to get much bigger throughout the years. Really have to start thinking about extending Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, and Medlen.
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O.J.
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
yet, here we sit, still needing a lf
Lew
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
Gon Viral – Come on Dude – Knoxville is metro Atlanta. So is Charlotte, Charleston, Birmingham, etc.. You didn’t know that?
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
Boras is going to have to adjust his expectations a bit.
Au contraire, good buddy.
Bourn is about the only apple left in the basket, and, if you want an apple (bruised or otherwise), then you pay whatever number pops into the fruit-stand owner’s head.
I don’t think anyone in the Bourn camp is worried about him not having a job in April nor about him being underpaid to get it.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
People who defend Liberty Media are to me suffering the sports equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.
It’s more that I do not blame them for everything wrong with the Braves. At least not yet….
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
Bob Brookover @brookob
Phillies have acquired OF Ben Revere for Trevor May and Vance Worley. Big price for a guy with zero HRs in 1,064 ABs and a career .319 OBP.
P'cola Brave
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
Phillies are adding some table setters (assuming Michael Young accepts). They need one late inning guy and a servicable OF bat and they are right back in it. Braves need to add a LF piece. I’m not against platoon if its a good one but one that has Prado moving back and forth everyday is not appealing.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo
Red Sox interested in RH reliever Koji Uehara, 37, who had a 1.75 ERA and a 0.639 WHIP in 37 games for Texas. He K’d 43 and walked three.
The A Bomb
December 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
Looks like the Braves spent the rest of their money on transportation from Atlanta to Nashville. Oh well.
Phils get Ben Revere. Braves get Ben Dover.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
With Span and Revere gone, 23-year-old Aaron Hicks could get a chance at CF for Twins. 1st-round draft in 2008, played AA last year.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
Phillies still have a lot of cash available to strengthen the rotation if they feel necessary. I could see Amaro doing that with Jackson, Sanchez or Lohse.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:35 pm
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
Source is also insistent that the Royals are not in the Anibal Sanchez market — not at five years and $70M-plus, where it stands now.
Gone Viral
December 6th, 2012
12:36 pm
“That is not a very good lineup, imo.”
Agreed. If they are done (including Young), I am very surprised.
C-Chat
December 6th, 2012
12:36 pm
That Phillies line-up is not all that scary….and that pitching staff isn’t getting better it’s getting a decline.
Worry about the Nats, that’s who we are up against.
Actually, worrying about other teams that you are chasing or who are chasing you is exactly how a 2011 Sept. slide happens. The Braves need to worry about nobody but themselves. Take care of their own business and play to the best of their abilities, and don’t worry about what everyone else is doing. ATL has no control over what happens in Wash and Philly and elsewhere, so why stress over it?
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
12:36 pm
Huge overpay by Phillies.
Ray
December 6th, 2012
12:37 pm
Wonder if Bourn has a call to Boras and asking, what now? Boras either ignores the call or is calming him down saying I will be giving you about 100m reasons why you will be thanking me. IF Hamilton signs some place other than Tex, I am sure they will be calling Boras.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:37 pm
Troy Renck @TroyRenck
That increases chances that Fowler stays with Rockies. Philadelphia, Atlanta were best fits.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:37 pm
They need a LH outfielder to platoon with Mayberry, Jr. an 8th inning reliever and a 3rd baseman. But I still could see them spending money to bring in a pitcher. Maybe they will consider Swisher too.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
Vance Worley was working out at CBP today when he heard from Ruben Amaro #Phillies. Not much was said, and he was a little surprised
Gone Viral
December 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
“Gon Viral – Come on Dude – Knoxville is metro Atlanta. So is Charlotte, Charleston, Birmingham, etc.. You didn’t know that?”
I will say this. I love the Braves so much that I once took a job in Norcross in order to get season tickets. Alas, five weeks later, the entire company went under. The conference call was hilarious. The moment we joined the discussion, we heard swearing from another branch.
Mixxo
December 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
Phils get Ben Revere. Braves get Ben Dover. – The A Bomb
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
Maybe they will consider Swisher too.
One can hope, anyway.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:39 pm
Well, at least there was one trade during these Winter Meetings othe than a salary dump of Yunel Escobar to the Rays.
Ric Flair to Right
December 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
The truth will finally come out that payroll took a hit. Liberty media has never shown intrest in this team other than the tax saving they get. Ive said it all offseaon if Upton was our big catch and we over pay for him it was just to pay lip service to say we made a move. Upton does not make this team better with the subtraction of Hanson,Chipper and Bourn.
Gary O.
December 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
I wonder what the market is for Bourn?
Trader Jack
December 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
I don’t believe the Phillies are anywhere near done making deals
CB
December 6th, 2012
12:42 pm
I do agree to a point with Gone Viral about corporations owning sports teams, seems they would be concerned only with bottom line. I know there can be some idiot individual owners but I just can’t stand the thought of heartless, faceless corporations to which we identify with.
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
12:42 pm
othe than a salary dump of Yunel Escobar to the Rays.
I believe that was one major leaguer for one minor leaguer, if I’m not mistaken.
Just noting that for historical purposes, of course.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:44 pm
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
#Indians real threat to #Yankees on Youkilis: offering 2 yrs to NYY 1, Youk played for Cle mgr Francona in Bos, he’s from Cincy
Halbert
December 6th, 2012
12:44 pm
I have a hard time believing that Wren couldn’t do as good or better than Vance Worley and Trevor May to get Revere. That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins. Wonder who they are asking for?
George_George
December 6th, 2012
12:44 pm
Good morning all
FRANK WREN has done a good job over all with what he has to work with. WREN had no way of knowing UGGLA would stink. WRENS only big mistake has been BJ.
Last night I learned from nolie how to usebold so now I can say BJ is a run of mill ballplayer
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Rangers reiterate they are NOT trading Profar or Andrus & Braves not trading Simmons so DBacks targets have to be Nick Franklin & Lindor?
Lew
December 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
Subtraction of hanson, Bourn and Chipper? YOu mean the Hanson who had the worst season of his career, still looked injured and ost 5MPH on his velocity, the Bourn who struck out 150 times and didn;t hit for the final three months of the season and the Chipper, who at age 40 gave it all he had and still missed 40 games?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
we can look after next season to see if my guys would have performed well enough to improve this club vs. what Franks has done, esp. if Juan or Georgie end up as starters
Are the Phils too strapped to go after Hamilton?
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
I was right that deals can be made after the Winter meetings. No need to panic. Wren knows how to use all communication devices. All is not lost, yet.
Ray
December 6th, 2012
12:47 pm
I could see the Rangers moving in on Bourn if they lose Hamilton. It’s hard to imagine Hamilton accepting a deal from the Mariners.
CB
December 6th, 2012
12:47 pm
Looks like our beloved blog is slowing down to a snail’s pace again. More pages, more angst.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
Early verdict: Twins got monster return for Ben Revere. Executive sees Trevor May as at least No. 3 starter, Worley as solid back-end guy.
DAP
December 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
efrim That is not a very good lineup, imo. They are going to have to continue to pitch lights out.
and when they do, they might lose anyway.
ncscoots
December 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins.
Are we so frothing at the mouth for a trade that we think guys such as Span and Revere are something special that the team missed out on? That there is absolutely no better option to be had than one of those two guys? Come on.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:49 pm
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
Twins also have plenty of outfield depth. Aaron Hicks is their future CF, Miguel Sano probably ends up in a corner and Byron Buxton coming.
Lemke's Knuckler
December 6th, 2012
12:49 pm
I have a hard time believing that Wren couldn’t do as good or better than Vance Worley and Trevor May to get Revere
You’re kidding right. That’s the equivalent of the Braves sending Minor and Delgado the Twins. The Phillies overpaid big-time for Revere.
Ric Flair to Right
December 6th, 2012
12:49 pm
Lew,
Do the math there bud, uptons production compared to chippers and Bourns combined..not better, do you realize that uggla,heyward,freeman,upton k numbers from last year come up to half of the astros NL total, just those for guys, they wil sit in the middle of the lineup. If your happy with this offseason your crazy
DAP
December 6th, 2012
12:49 pm
span is alot better than revere, i think.
maybe this is a sign that willingham actually COULD be available. no one thought they would trade 2 CFers.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:50 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
From Twins president Dave St. Peter (@TwinsPrez): RT Today’s trade has NOTHING to do with money.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:50 pm
Rangers reiterate they are NOT trading Profar or Andrus & Braves not trading Simmons so DBacks targets have to be Nick Franklin & Lindor?
No way the Indians are trading Lindor.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Dan Connolly @danconnollysun
Koji Uehara is back in the American League East. But not in Baltimore. He has signed a 1-yr deal with the Boston Red Sox
CB
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
I believe Ben Revere trade received much more than the Span trade, Nationals got the best end of that deal.
George_George
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Blog today is as slow as it has ever been. This is one of the worst days. Sure wish they would fix it. It refreshes like BJ hits.
DAP
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
i think that it makes too much sense for them to trade willingham. they probably arent going to be a winning team in the next 2 years. they could comeplete an overhaul and really bulk up thier pitcher prospects by dealing willingham to us.
Lew
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Ric Flair – Blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Not sure I;ve ever seen anything positive from you before so I’m not expecting it now. Maybe you should wait until all is actually done before you go preaching doom, gloom and protection against falling pieces of sky.
CrαZy
December 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
People who defend Liberty Media are to me suffering the sports equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.
If we sold out every game and our attendance was tops in the league and our payroll was still in the middle I’ll start complaining about liberty Media more.
Though I’d also be very happy if we got some rich guy that liked baseball and wanted to put us in the top tier among MLB spenders.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
12:54 pm
Phils must be desperate to get a good cheap CF, they paid one helluva price. Dang. Those twins really helping their rotation and farm. Situation Id like to start out with as a GM… sell some pieces and stock up my farm plus get a year or two of drafting top 5 to 10. Sets me up wonderfully for years.
That, or have payroll over 160mil.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
12:54 pm
I know I am frothing at the mouth. Then again, I just passed a Shipley’s Donuts.
Ray
December 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Is Liberty Media the perfect ownership no. But at least they let the baseball people to do their jobs. Plus they are not holding payroll down to the 50-70m mark. Over 90m payroll works. Would I like it to be around 110 of course, but I will take LM over Angelos, or Loria all day along with the owners of the Royals or the Twins, Mariners etc. Turner and Steinbrenner were not what I would consider good owners until they got out of the way and let the baseball people do their jobs.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Jason Martinez @mlbdepthcharts
#Padres RT @RangerBlake Rangers send RHP Wilfredo Boscan to San Diego to complete trade for RHP Cory Burns.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Twins also have plenty of outfield depth. Aaron Hicks is their future CF, Miguel Sano probably ends up in a corner and Byron Buxton coming.
Oswaldo Arcia is closer than both Buxton and Sano. Eddie Rosario too. Max Kepler as well. Twins are loaded with position player outfield prospects.
Halbert
December 6th, 2012
12:56 pm
No Scoots, I’m not saying that Revere and Span should have been top priority…I’m more interested in who the Twins were asking for. I’m curious what the other teams see in the Braves system as valuable compared to what Wren and the rest of the front office see as valuable.
Lemke's Knuckler
December 6th, 2012
12:57 pm
Twins are doing a smart thing, stockpiling all these prospects. The Tigers have that division bought for the next few years. No sense in trying to compete.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:57 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
The long wait is over. Pirates re-sign grilli. #sheffield
Slidder
December 6th, 2012
12:57 pm
Frank Wren hasn’t landed a leadoff hitting leftfielder in the last 5 minutes. Does anyone give him a grade other than an F for the last 5 minutes?
Brava
December 6th, 2012
12:57 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
#Phillies and #Rangers still working on Michael Young deal, sources say. Top Texas officials haven’t left meetings yet.
Efrim
December 6th, 2012
12:58 pm
Boston is loaded with arms in their bullpen: Bailey, Uehara, Bard, Melancon, Aceves, Breslow, Miller, Tazawa and possibly even Franklin Morales if they add a starter.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:00 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Some of the folks involved in four-team trade talks the other day say that it was the Diamondbacks who were the most reluctant to finish it.
Lew
December 6th, 2012
1:00 pm
I think I’ll wait until we finish the ffseason and see who we have at all the positions before I decide whether or not I’m pleased with the moves. So far, the way I see it – to this point – is that Bourn has basically been replaced with a good (if not necessarily as good as Bourn) CFer who has as much speed as Bourn and hits for much more power than MB did while striking out about the same amount and they’ve improved the bullpen with a hard throwing RH set up man. They’ve also jettisoned two pitchers who either were done or radically underperforming.
It’s a start. Let’s wait and see who plays LF for us and who fills out the bench – in only two months until they report to ST and 3.5 months until they axtually play a game that counts.
Lemke's Knuckler
December 6th, 2012
1:00 pm
The long wait is over. Pirates re-sign grilli. #sheffield
Yes, we’ve all been on pins and needles.
The A Bomb
December 6th, 2012
1:00 pm
Well, Frank now has gotten a clear message of what other GMs think of his “prized prospects.”
Not much.
CB
December 6th, 2012
1:02 pm
Murph mentioned the twitter box on the right side being down for a couple of days, seems blog was responding much faster. The blog is kind of like my waist line, the more things I put in it the slower I get.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:03 pm
So, what are the best options left or the Braves? Choo, Alex Gordon, Olt, etc. Who would you be willing to move Teheran for (I would rather keep Delgado than Teheran)? I think I would move Teheran in a deal for Gordon or Olt but not Choo.
I think the dust needs to settle on the possible J. Upton deal and Hamilton/Bourn/Greinke signings before the Braves move on their LF. Once several teams know their place following these deals, one or more teams may look at a Braves’ package more favorable. What do I know, though.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:05 pm
I agree with Lew (1:00 pm post).
C-Chat
December 6th, 2012
1:05 pm
Well, Frank now has gotten a clear message of what other GMs think of his “prized prospects.” Not much.
Yes, and that message is the same as its always been: Other teams want them. Braves won’t trade them.
jfp
December 6th, 2012
1:06 pm
Frank Wren was on MLB tonight last night and talking about the winter meetings and the BJ Upton signing. Said that he was just about done for the offseason but wanted to make one more move. Leaving the impression that he is still looking for that left fielder.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:07 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Bay got $1M base from seattle w/ chance make $2M more if he’s a regular. w/$21M from mets, could make $24M
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:08 pm
Ha!
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
sorry, false alarm. grilli denied hed made up his mind for sure he is going to pirates
Lew
December 6th, 2012
1:10 pm
Well, to this point the Braves have a good, young rotation, a phenomenal bullpen that’s likely the best in the league and an everyday lineup that has five players in it that can hit 25 HR. I’m not seeing reason for freaking out here.
Lew
December 6th, 2012
1:12 pm
And a pretty damned good defense, too.
Patrick
December 6th, 2012
1:14 pm
I have a hard time believing that Wren couldn’t do as good or better than Vance Worley and Trevor May to get Revere. That’s two outfielders that Wren couldn’t find a way to work with the Twins. Wonder who they are asking for
Are you kidding?! That is the equivalent of us trading the Twins Mike Minor and Teheran or Deladgo for Revere. People on here (myself included) would be going bat sh*t crazy if that happened.
I wonder how this is going to affect the Braves efforts in trying to trade for a Left Fielder. The Phillies gave up A TON in this deal. That is not good news.
Also, you really have to wonder what is going to happen with Bourn. I don’t know that he even has a market anymore. No one seems willing to meet the contact demands that he and Boras are looking for. I know that he has done it time and time again…so, I will be very interested (and suprised to be honest) to see what kind of deal he gets for Bourn…..
Lemke's Knuckler
December 6th, 2012
1:15 pm
Teams seem to be overpaying in the trades so far. As far as I’m concerned, left field is a secondary piece that doesn’t require the Braves overpaying to address. Give it a few weeks for the market to settle out and Wren should be able to find something reasonable. No reason to overpay for guys like Span, Revere or Fowler. They’re not worth it. Let all the craziness pass and move forward from there. New names will come up as the offseason progresses, they always do.
Patrick
December 6th, 2012
1:16 pm
Good morning all
FRANK WREN has done a good job over all with what he has to work with. WREN had no way of knowing UGGLA would stink. WRENS only big mistake has been BJ.
Last night I learned from nolie how to usebold so now I can say BJ is a run of mill ballplayer
George: Let me ask you this….
Would you rather have Shane Victorino in Center at 13+million per year or BJ Upton at 15 mil?
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:17 pm
Lemke’s Knuckler – Let all the craziness pass and move forward from there. New names will come up as the offseason progresses, they always do.
And, if the Mayans are right, we won’t have to worry about the LF situation anymore. It’s all good.
ryan
December 6th, 2012
1:18 pm
Twins help Nats and Phils now help us gives us Willingham.
Lemke's Knuckler
December 6th, 2012
1:19 pm
I think Bourn’s situation won’t materialize until Hamilton signs. Seems like a lot of the same teams are pursuing those 2 guys.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:20 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#braves tried for revere. seek a LF who can lead off. dexter fowler would make some sense
CB
December 6th, 2012
1:20 pm
Enter your comments here
DAP
December 6th, 2012
1:22 pm
lew two months until they report to ST and 3.5 months until they axtually play a game that counts.
sigh…
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:22 pm
Jon Heyman Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#mariners people seem to really like michael bourn. meanwhile, hamilton market doings remain a mystery wrapped in an enigma
chipontheroad
December 6th, 2012
1:23 pm
I’m with you Lew not freaking out I like this team more than last years already..and then the White Bear is knocking will we let him in?
Slowhiteguy
December 6th, 2012
1:24 pm
Yeah…I would imagine the Twins are asking for a huge return for Willingham.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:25 pm
Troy Renck @TroyRenck
Ryan Spilborghs has agreed in principle on one-year deal with Seibu Lions. Absolutely fantastic player to cover. Wish him best.
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:26 pm
So the Twins get a minor league prospect from the Nats for Span. They get a major league pitchers and minor league prospect for Revere. As for Willingham, the Twins probably are asking the Braves for Simmons, Kimbrel, Teheran, and Gattis.
I despise the Twins and their stupid, former dome and Hrbeck, and Knoblach. Luckily, I do not carry grudges anymore.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:26 pm
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
If #Yankees win for Youk, they’d be spending $40M in 2013 on 3B: $28M on A-Rod, $12M on Youk. Their hot corner would be a small-mkt team
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:27 pm
Mike DiGiovanna @MikeDiGiovanna
More from #Angels GM Jerry Dipoto, who, after adding RHPs Blanton & Hanson,is “prepared to move on” from Zack Greinke. http://tinyurl.com/d5stppw
Tumbledown
December 6th, 2012
1:27 pm
pitcher not pitchers
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 6th, 2012
1:27 pm
This offseason is a disappointment… didnt get Bourjos, didnt improve rotqtion, signed for 15mil a avg. CF defender, and .740 OPS player, and didnt sell high on EOF.
But we did lose Hanson and JJ. Still, he’s failed.
Idding! Total sarcasm.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:27 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Marlins, who still need a 3B, have asked White Sox about Brent Morel. 3B mkt still crazy enough that Hannahan asked teams for multi-yr deal
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:29 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Marlins are one of teams in on Hannahan, who was non-tendered by Indians.
Pearls Before Swine
December 6th, 2012
1:30 pm
I’m not saying Wren should have been in on Revere,Span or Fowler to the point of over paying, I’m just saying other GM’s seem to be getting some things done that Wren isn’t and they all aren’t over paying in those trades. The Span deal was a reasonable deal.
Ok, Wren doesn’t want to over pay in a trade, yet he doesn’t mind significantly overpaying a FA like Upton, Uggla and Lowe? So I suppose while others are making the deals to fill their clubs needs for next year, Wren is prepared to hope a deal that he likes falls into his lap sometime later? Its either that or Georgie and Francisco and hope. ( they haven’t even resigned Reed Johnson, yet if at all)
Maybe a club will take pity and help Frank out.
Brava
December 6th, 2012
1:30 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Tigers see Royals as a real threat in AL Central. They’re very much hoping Royals don’t get Shields.
O'Ventbrel
December 6th, 2012
1:30 pm
I actually like Ben Revere, the guy is a highlight reel in the outfield and can flat out run. If he can progress offensively, he could be a good MLB starter…
…but I doubt he will be a great one. I certainly would not have given up two pitchers like Minor or Delgado/Teheran for him. Props once again to FW for not biting on an uneven trade.
Norman Cochran
December 6th, 2012
1:30 pm
THERE IS NO WAY THE BRAVES ARE LOOKING FOR AN OPTION FOR LEADOFF AND LEFTFIELD IF PHILLIES CAN TRADE FOR BEN REVERE FOR VANCE WORLEY AND MINOR LEAGUE PITCHER. ATLANTA COULD HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MATCH OR BETTER THAT TRADE. FRANK WREN AND CREW ARE STONEWALLING EVERYONE AND BLOWING SMOKE UP ALL OUR SKIRTS!!! FIRE WREN AND ALL HIS FOLLOWERS. THEY CAME FROM THE FLORIDA MARLIN ORGANIZATION AND LOOK WHERE THEY ARE!!!!
Josh H
December 6th, 2012
1:33 pm
I agree with the majority of posters on here, don’t trade the farm for a guy who would be a marginal player, at best, in LF.
Simmons or Prado can lead off if we need them to. If Simmons doesn’t hit enough, you can easily hit Prado/Heyward 1-2. Although I don’t think that’ll happen. Simmons is going to be a beast.
Right now we have two players who can likely fill a position on this team, Francisco and Gattis, and I’m really hoping Gattis is ready to step it up. He’s 26. Doesn’t need much more “development”, he’s shown he can hit at AA and in the Dominican, let’s see if he can do it in the bigs.
Braves payroll isn’t going to get much bigger throughout the years. Really have to start thinking about extending Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, and Medlen.