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TheOnlyBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
He doesnt need to be Maddux to be worth keeping, but he does need a good track record to stay untouchable… never pitched more than 140 innings, 30 career starts, no more than 15 in any 1 season, a current #3 with 3 years of control isnt untouchable. I would seriously consider trading him for the projected RH version Heyward.
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
Swisher wll have some big bats surrounding him if he were to come here.
He was also a pretty good player in Oakland. He is more than a product of the new Yankee stadium.
I do not know if Wren can or cannot afford him. If so he will be as assett.
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
The way things are going, Wren may have to settle for Diaz and Overbay – LOL
nolie
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
Saying we have it is no proof, they have said that other years and settled for less. No way do I believe they have 15mil left to spend though. Wren already told DOB it was close to 10 and Swish is not signing for 10
Brava
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
If you can believe this (I do), schierholtz turned down a 2-yr deal in $5M range.
SportyNuts
December 5th, 2012
9:53 pm
@Disgusted: Not now? Well, then when? If he becomes a superstar, it would take much more than Medlen to acquire him. Actually, we wouldn’t even have a chance of bringing him here.
Zing
December 5th, 2012
9:54 pm
All right, time for Top Chef. Keep it reaaaal, y’all.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
9:54 pm
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Nate Schierholtz has agreed on 1 year deal with Cubs, source says
old man
December 5th, 2012
9:56 pm
I think Licey Stadium is 335 to the corners, 385 in the alleys, and 411 to center.
But my Spanish sucks.
If true, those are pretty long pokes for a HR.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
9:58 pm
Jason Martinez @mlbdepthcharts
Updated #Cubs offseason page after OF Nate Schierholtz agreed to 1-yr, $2.25M deal. http://www.mlbdepthcharts.com/2012/09/chicago-cubs-2012-13-offseason-team-page.html …
nolie
December 5th, 2012
9:58 pm
I think Ludwick signed didn’t he?
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
10:00 pm
I do not buy into the hype on Will Myers. Because I just do not buy into the hype of prospects till they prove something — I have seen too many of them fail and not be what they were supposed to be.
I do not know if I am right or wrong — I believe in proven MLB talent unless I am in a big major rebuilding stage.
Braves are in a win now compete now stage — proven talent is needed — would help if the corporate shirts would up the payroll to compete highly in the 21st century.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
10:00 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Sounds as if #Braves could trade Teheran or Delgado now or in spring — Fredi G said Wed. it does pitchers no good to have 3rd yr in AAA
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
10:02 pm
I don’t know if Ludwick signed. Got to check.
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:03 pm
how many good deals go down in the spring? Not all that many in my recollection
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
10:04 pm
Brava
Thanks for all your work in posting the updates.
Much appreciated
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm
they ought to shoot the IT guys. this has been the worst site on the entire blog for months and months and still gives me that damn internal error crap half a dozen times a day
Brava
December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm
You’re welcome, Trader Jack.
SportyNuts
December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm
@Disgusted: I hear you… still, Myers would be a good fit if we could manage a prospect(s) for prospect trade, yeah?
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:07 pm
I’d say thank you too, but…..
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:09 pm
sure trade a good prospect or two for him but I think they want proven MLB guys, they have a ton of prospects already Sporty
JC Brave
December 5th, 2012
10:09 pm
I expect something similar to the Ankiel-Farnsworth deal of two years ago, nothing spectacular. Just a couple of scrubs being added to the team is the most likely scenario.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
10:09 pm
You’re welcome, too, nolie, but…
Brava
December 5th, 2012
10:12 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Dodgers, in addition to talking to free-agent pitchers, also have spoken to #Rays about starters and #Mets about Dickey.
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
10:12 pm
Efrim, I’d rather have that scenario than a panicky move. Doing something for the sake of doing it doesn’t usually track well.
Using players like Sean Gilmartin, Zeke Spruill, Nick Ahmed, etc. to fetch an outfielder isn’t a panicky move. If every GM is insisting on Teheran or Delgado, then so be it and they obviously aren’t going to grossly overpay. Hopefully they can find a happy medium.
Also, there is a big difference between getting a player better than Francisco/Johnson and a “big player”. I’m not really looking for Nick Swisher in LF. I’m looking for something better than the likes of Nate Schierholtz for around $2 million or Emilio Bonifacio for the same. Hoping to get someone in between Swisher/Choo/Ells level and those two. – at the very, very least.
Sounds as if #Braves could trade Teheran or Delgado now or in spring — Fredi G said Wed. it does pitchers no good to have 3rd yr in AAA
Quiet Fredi, you’re hurting the bargaining position of Wren…
Seriously though, I thought the idea was to have some starting pitching depth? Why would we just trade one of Teheran or Delgado just because they didn’t make it? Julio is only 22 years old next Spring. I’m not sure I buy it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
10:14 pm
agree that repeating AAA third time isnt good. just a way to lose value on a player. Just make sure they trade Teheran not Delgado. TRex is the disappointing one, more likely to bust than Randall
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
10:15 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Sounds as if #Braves could trade Teheran or Delgado now or in spring — Fredi G said Wed. it does pitchers no good to have 3rd yr in AAA
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves have only 1 spot open in rotation for Teheran or Delgado, and Beachy should be back in July.
If they are really set on not wanting to have either in AAA because it does them no good, then please, trade them now and not in spring when these types of players will not be available.
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
10:20 pm
Efrim
It’s really crazy out there money wise:
Victorino 3/$39
Blanton 2/$15
Napoli 3/$39
These type deals, plus others makes it that much more difficult for Wren to compete for targeted players
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
10:22 pm
#Braves have only 1 spot open in rotation for Teheran or Delgado, and Beachy should be back in July.
Right… This year they have 1 spot for either of them. Next year Huddy and Malhom’s contract is up. So they would fit right in if neither was resigned Minor, Beachy, Medlin, Teheran, Delgado. Seems like the point right. Hope for the best prepare for the worst….
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:23 pm
thats true Jack, turns out we are not nearly as rich as we thought we would be
Brava
December 5th, 2012
10:23 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources tell me and @jonmorosi that #Royals may be at critical stage in decision on whether to trade Myers for an SP such as #Rays’ Shields.
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
10:23 pm
so, bourn wants 125 million for 6 years and now has no suitors, braves would have gave him 60 for 4
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:27 pm
Every year I keep hoping that one of Boras’ clients gets stuck going to nowhere because he has overplayed his hand, but alas; some punch drunk owner always ends up pulling his azz out of the fire.
JC Brave
December 5th, 2012
10:27 pm
Next year Huddy and Malhom’s contract is up. So they would fit right in if neither was resigned Minor, Beachy, Medlin, Teheran, Delgado. Seems like the point right. Hope for the best prepare for the worst….
This is part of the reason why pulling a trade for rentals like Choo or Ellsbury are stupid ideas.
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:28 pm
if they are getting offered Shields, that deal is WAY out of our league
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:31 pm
nolie
I know you aren’t for a Myers/Medlen deal. No prob.
But if you’re Drayton Moore, who would you rather have for Myers? Medlen or Shields?
The A Bomb
December 5th, 2012
10:31 pm
Gonzalez needs to shut his mouth — not his job to talk about market value.
Holy cow he gets a new contract and now he wants to be the GM. Just be quiet as you torture us for the next 2 seasons with your million lineup combinations.
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
10:31 pm
“This is part of the reason why pulling a trade for rentals like Choo or Ellsbury are stupid ideas.”
The Nats got 3 years of Span for a B Prospect. The Rays got 3 years of Escobar for a C+ prospect. What makes you think 1 year of Choo will net Delgado or Teheran?
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
10:32 pm
DS1
Boras did get shafted last year in his dealings with the Phils regarding Madson. He was announcing a major deal had been reached only to have Amaro pull the plug and sign Papelbonn. Needless to say Boras was really pissed and had to settle for an $8.5 mil deal with the Reds, only to have Madson require TJ surgery
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:34 pm
TJ
I remember now! There is a God!
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:34 pm
Shields no doubt
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:35 pm
the guy they traded for Span was not really a B prospect
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:36 pm
Mark my words folks (I always wanted to say that!), this Myers kid is going to be the real deal. 2013’s Harper/Trout/Heyward/Stanton type.
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:37 pm
or not…………..
JC Brave
December 5th, 2012
10:37 pm
The Nats got 3 years of Span for a B Prospect. The Rays got 3 years of Escobar for a C+ prospect. What makes you think 1 year of Choo will net Delgado or Teheran?
Maybe because it has been reported more than once, that the asking price is sky high for both of those guys?
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
Agreed. The tall pitcher that Minnesota got for Span is a stud prospect.
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
oh bulloney, anybody looks good hitting in the PCL Wayne
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:28 pm
if they are getting offered Shields, that deal is WAY out of our league
KC looking for Shields PLUS – wow
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
10:38 pm
im not very patient either , hell i might not even make it to spring ytraining, but id rather see no trades done than stupid ones/ they will be plenty of spring time trades needed with injurys
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:39 pm
These FA deals are really getting out of control. I remember last year thinking that David DeJesus must have had some incriminating pictures of Theo. Now it seems like a downright reasonable contract.
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
10:40 pm
nolie- 4) Alex Meyer, RHP, Grade B: I respect his upside as a guy with two dominating pitches, but his command is still a work in progress, and such tall pitchers often struggle to keep their mechanics in line. Could be a superior starter, a closer, or a failure.
Source http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/20/2650433/washington-nationals-top-20-prospects-for-2012
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
10:43 pm
With Hudson and Malholm’s contracts being up might be one of the reasons why Wren is in a hold mode on the top 3 pitching prospects — unless a deal that totally blows him away comes up.
I just hope they do not trade Delgado cause he is the number 5 man now and he has shown he at least belongs up here. Not totally proven, but at least he can pitch up here.
Wren is not an easy guy to trade with. They should get someone in FA, there is not much left for what the Braves alledgedly want to or have to spend.
10 mil does not buy that much anymore. Unreal the way the business of the game “Disgusts” me. Hence, the moniker “Disgusted”.
Love the game despise the business end of it.
DS1
December 5th, 2012
10:44 pm
gary
What did you guys end up doing with that bike?
nolie
December 5th, 2012
10:45 pm
first round picks with very high ceiling pitchers are not grade B pitchers in the minors
he instantly became the Twins top pitching prospect.
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
10:47 pm
Are Teheran, Gilmartin and Spurill rated any higher than Alex Meyer?
Any “A” prospects among those three right now?????
I cannot see any of them being any higher than a B and that might even be giving them a little.
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
10:49 pm
Hey, BJ Upton’s deal is a value deal the way things are going now.
Half Empty
December 5th, 2012
10:49 pm
Could be a superior starter, a closer, or a failure. @BL
that just describerd half pitchers in the minors more or less
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
10:51 pm
2) Julio Teheran, RHP, Grade B: I think this is a generous grade, but given his youth I also think his problems are fixable as long as there is not an underlying health issue. Choosing between Teheran and Graham at #1 on this list is a very tough call.
5) Zeke Spruill, RHP, Grade B-: For me, his stock is unchanged from last year but the thinner nature of the system moves him up the standings. Still see him as a number four/back-end starter but I think he needs a full year in Triple-A.
6) Sean Gilmartin, LHP, Grade B-: Solid command guy but upside is relatively limited and I also see him as a number four starter. But that’s not an insult. Will be ready sooner than Spruill.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/11/8/3620974/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects-for-2013
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
10:53 pm
thats her bike in her garage
MikeInFl
December 5th, 2012
10:53 pm
I cannot see any of them being any higher than a B and that might even be giving them a little.
I’d agree with that. But, Teheran is a bit of a wild card, to me. I’d be very hesitant to give up on a guy who’s shown so much promise, so soon. But no, I wouldn’t think any of Teheran, Delgado or Spruill could be considered “A” prospects at this point.
Trader Jack
December 5th, 2012
10:55 pm
Disgusted
Yep, considering Bourn is asking for $20 mil/yr, and Victorino got $13/yr, the Upton deal is looking pretty good
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
10:55 pm
i think shes gonna sell it though
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
10:57 pm
“Are Teheran, Gilmartin and Spurill rated any higher than Alex Meyer? Any “A” prospects among those three right now????? I cannot see any of them being any higher than a B and that might even be giving them a little.”
I just copied a scouting report for you for the players you mentioned. No neither of them are higher then a B. Teheran is a B. That isn’t the point though. Span was a 3.9 WAR player last year choo was a 2.6WAR player. Span is under club control for 3 years. Choo is under club control for 1 year. Assuming Span and Choo have the same project value for next year production wise. Why would you trade the same assest value for a player with 1 year of control as you would for a player with three years of control? The answer is you would not.
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
10:59 pm
would be nice if shed sell and buy me a ticket to israel for brain stem cellsi just dont have the ole stamina to make that happen now lol
ncgary
December 5th, 2012
11:01 pm
oh well lets go to bed and maybe wren will do something while we sleep
The A Bomb
December 5th, 2012
11:01 pm
Wow has Wren overvalued our system. And it turns out Minor might be the best of those 4 guys. Lucky we didn’t unload him.
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
11:04 pm
“first round picks with very high ceiling pitchers are not grade B pitchers in the minors he instantly became the Twins top pitching prospect.”
You don’t have to look further than our own prospect Lucas Sims to prove that point wrong. Sims is graded at a B-. First round Pick with a very high ceiling.
The write up on Sims is “With the 21st overall pick in the first round of the Major League Baseball First Year Player Draft, the Atlanta Braves select right-handed pitcher Lucas Sims from Brookwood High School in Snellville, Georgia. The Braves get back to drafting players from their home state, and they got a good one, a true power arm who can touch 97, and routinely sits around 91-93.”
At least I am backing up things I say with scouting reports not just shooting from the hip.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
11:05 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Would think #royals would have to give up more than just wil myers for big game james
Brava
December 5th, 2012
11:07 pm
Jeff Wilson @JeffWilson_FWST
Nolan Ryan wouldn’t discount possibility that #Rangers could sign Josh Hamilton and Zack Greinke. Big-money owners would have to approve.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:13 pm
BRAVES re-sign C JOSE YEPEZ for another season.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
11:19 pm
BRAVES re-sign C JOSE YEPEZ for another season.
Oh my God, really! I’m so happy! I didn’t know how we were going to get through the season without him. Wait till the Nats hear about this. They’re going to be quaking in their spikes.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:23 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
DOMINICA
LICEY TIGERS
3B JUAN FRANCISCO [.317 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 7], 3 RBI [26], 1 BB, 0 SO.
FRANCISCO loved his last game so well he decided on a yard-shot reprise tonight, and once again sans SO’s ! Massive blast. The dude is raking down south!
VENEZUELA
CARACAS LIONS
RF JOSH KROEGER [.282 BA] 0-4, 1 E [2, fielding].
ZULIA EAGLES
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.316 BA] 0-4, 1 SO.
braveslifer
December 5th, 2012
11:24 pm
Another Alex Meyer scouting report in case you don’t trust the first one. Concludes by saying “Has two-pitch starter profile in the middle of a rotation but could also be elite reliever that closes games. Reliever profile stands out more.” Middle of the rotation/reliever does not sound like an A to me.
http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/10/16/scouting-report-alex-meyer-rhp/
Good night all. Hope I didn’t ruffle any feathers. Hopefully everyone can go to bed knowing that if there is a Choo trade Delgado or Teheran won’t be going the other way. Provided of course that Wren laid off of the egg nog.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:27 pm
braveslifer:
Right now I put 2nd round LH ALEX WOOD ahead of RH LUCAS SIMS in the development department.
BFChris28
December 5th, 2012
11:28 pm
D-Backs want a Reliever, SS & 3B, so….
Teheran or Delgado, Ahmed, Juan Francisco, Gilmartin or Spruill & EOF or Avilan.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:29 pm
Brava:
WTF is up with that?
MikeInFl
December 5th, 2012
11:30 pm
I just hope Wren doesn’t get weak-kneed and trade Cole Rohrbough.
Disgusted
December 5th, 2012
11:31 pm
“I just copied a scouting report for you for the players you mentioned. No neither of them are higher then a B. Teheran is a B. That isn’t the point though. Span was a 3.9 WAR player last year choo was a 2.6WAR player. Span is under club control for 3 years. Choo is under club control for 1 year. Assuming Span and Choo have the same project value for next year production wise. Why would you trade the same assest value for a player with 1 year of control as you would for a player with three years of control? The answer is you would not.”
Thanks for the scouting reports on the big 3 P prospects Bravelifer.
I would shy away from a deal for Choo given that he only has one more yr left until he goes & I do believe he is a Boras client.
The deal between the Twins and Nats is one that has good projection for both teams.
I don’t know what Teheran could bring right now given his poor AAA season and drop in velocity. That B seems generous to me, but hey, the info you posted did come from a scouting report so who am I to judge.
If we can get a decent return for Teheran now, I say go for it — I don;t want to wait for him. He has not shown me enough and is taking too long to develop for my liking.
I can understand why Wren does not want to “empty the system” especially with Hudson amd Malholm potential FA’s after ‘13.
I do not expect him to trade more than one SP prospect. He can trade a reliever and one of the above prospects.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:33 pm
BFChris28
“…..December 5th, 2012
11:28 pm
D-Backs want a Reliever, SS & 3B, so….
Teheran or Delgado, Ahmed, Juan Francisco, Gilmartin or Spruill & EOF or Avilan……”
TOWERS is old enough not to let his wants hurt him.
Not our fault he needs to restock in a trade for UPTON because he oversees a lousy farm system.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
11:33 pm
Just playing, rich. I’m bored.
Half Empty
December 5th, 2012
11:33 pm
ah yes more of that WAR crap. like it is all nothing but numbers. when they can’t even decide on one definition of WAR. I guarantee that if Choo gets dealt that he will bring more than Span
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:34 pm
After following this all week, I can see why.
Half Empty
December 5th, 2012
11:37 pm
At least I am backing up things I say with scouting reports not just shooting from the hip. @BL
and in noles, you are talking with a person who was a scout for many years
Brava
December 5th, 2012
11:40 pm
Tracy Ringolsby @ROOTSPORTS_TR
Strong word that Rockies are not looking to deal Dexter Fowler.
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:41 pm
NYTOL gang.
Looks like a blip on the BRAVES activity screen after another round of winter meetings. More action in the scouting department and field management than player acquisitions….JANISH, PAGNOZZI. Damn, not even a REED JOHNSON signing.
Half Empty
December 5th, 2012
11:42 pm
That is ok, they can keep Fowler. Does not hit very well away from Coors
richbrave
December 5th, 2012
11:43 pm
Oh, and go JUAN FRANCISCO.
Half Empty
December 5th, 2012
11:47 pm
yes Go Francisco…and take Constanza with you!
just kidding. Keep up the good work Francisco
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 6th, 2012
12:07 am
What do you guys think of going after Josh Reddick from the A’s? Reporter pointed out they have 4 OF’s right now with Crisp, Young, Cepedes, and Reddick. They always look for young, controllable pitching.
Half Empty
December 6th, 2012
12:11 am
I know that is a tougher park but those OBP turn me off big time on Reddick
I am not that big a fan of homers to accept the rest I guess
Nowhere man
December 6th, 2012
2:21 am
wow who killed the blog
DS1
December 6th, 2012
2:38 am
Yep, she’s a goner!
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:46 am
Hello everyone! Slow night again…….I’m cool….. Braves couldbe looking at Emilio Bonifacio. He’s Marlins Super Utility Guy, and he could be a great fit for the team…..I’d support that move.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
2:48 am
Emilio Bonifacio could be a great addition? If Braves can pick him up?
kenhotlanta
December 6th, 2012
2:56 am
“Nowhere Man, don’t worry,
Take your time, don’t hurry,
Leave it all till somebody else
lends you a hand!”
Good night all.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
3:04 am
I’m not buying that there is not deal now….. That could be a smoke screen. I see Wren, still getting some thing done at the last minute. I would be surprised if he didn’t do any thing! It wouldn’t be the end of every thing either.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
3:31 am
I still think Wren, can get a trade done, or sign some one within the week, because you don’t have to sign every player in the Winter Meetings. I wouldn’t panic, and just wait, and see. B.J. Upton was the Braves biggest move, and excited about that.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
3:34 am
Ichiro, wouldn’t bad idea, until Gattis is ready! That’s if the Braves had to go that way? I would wait it out to see what Francisco does too. That’s if it came down to it?
Ward
December 6th, 2012
3:36 am
According to sources, don’t count out Dee Gordan. Braves could be checking in with him.
Ward
December 6th, 2012
3:42 am
I would try, and get Dee Gordan in a heart beat…… He’s a good player, and is young, and has speed…..Talk tomorrow, and Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”