4:03 pm December 4, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 5th, 20127:49 pm
that surprises me, Ellsbury is a risky sign and that is a lot to give for a guy who might spend half a season or more on the DL, and whose one great year was so much unlike any other that there is PEDS speculation.
December 5th, 20127:50 pm
December 5th, 2012
Yup nolie thank you, see my reply at 7:39.
December 5th, 20127:51 pm
Just found he Licey Tigers stream. In time to see game suspended because of rain.
Strong 4,very lowend 3… DS1, he may be better, but slightly. They’ll both be about the same for the most part.
ncbraves: LAst week, DOB said that he got word that the Braves have ony about 10mil of space, not the 15+ we all thought. If we did, Id expect to hear rumors of us talking with Ross and Swisher.
Old Man for bold etc
December 5th, 20127:53 pm
How many outfielders do they need?
Dan Roche @RochieWBZ
Source: #RedSox GM Ben Cherington and Mgr John Farrell met w/FA OF Josh Hamilton off-site Monday at the Winter Meetings in Nashville #wbz
December 5th, 20127:54 pm
If we were going to give up Delgado for 2 months of Dempster, why not for a year of Ellsbury? He is in a contract year, so at the very least, if he stays healthy; he may repeat 2011. If not, his 2009 and 2010 weren’t exactly awful. 50 and 70 SBs, a year hitting over .300 with a .355 OBP. His 2011 was crazy. His body didn’t change at all…I personally don’t believe he was on ‘roids, but what the hell do I know?
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
blanton gets 2 yrs, $15M
December 5th, 20127:55 pm
Answer me this, if Wren has that much money to spend, why is talking Schierholtz and Johnson. There have been a number of trades mentioned but nothing has come of them.
Why he doesn’t have the bucks
December 5th, 20127:58 pm
It’s called a smoke screen. He has been talking with the DBacks about Justin Upton and he said himself today that he has the funds to sign Swisher if needed. He’s not going to come out and say, yes im talking with Cody Ross about signing a deal with us. Come on now.
December 5th, 20127:59 pm
December 5th, 20128:00 pm
I still see Minor as a 4 next year, #3 potential for his career… maybe if he goes for a full season and pitches better, Ill amend that, but for now I’m not changing his upside based on 12 starts. He’s really just Maholm with anoth 2-3 mph on his fastball.
December 5th, 20128:02 pm
We should trade for Choo.
Good job, old man.
December 5th, 20128:03 pm
I am also, thank you nolie.
December 5th, 20128:04 pm
steroids do not have to change the body, depends on how they are used. Palmiero did not change, the pitchers who used them did not change. 4 times as man homers as ever B4? hmmm
I am most worried about him staying on the field all season. not a deal I would do and I’m surprised they are considering giving up one of those two pitchers for him.
I agree, if he stays healthy he would be a nice addition but he breaks bones awful easily, one wrong slide while stealing anf there goes half a season…
December 5th, 20128:05 pm
Do you really believe that the Braves can afford Justin Upton
December 5th, 20128:07 pm
Angels now have traded for Tommy Hanson and signed Joe Blanton. Sounds safe to say Zack Greinke won’t be returning to Anaheim.
Absolutely. If Wren said today that he could afford Swisher then yes, absolutely they can afford Upton.
John Shea @JohnSheaHey
Rule out Nick Swisher and others at his level as #SFGiants looking for 1-year fit for LF platoon with Blanco.
December 5th, 20128:08 pm
Noles, good points. But, I think he stays healthy in a contract year. Funny how things like that work. No doubt he is an injury risk, but he is motivated. This year’s Beltran?
December 5th, 20128:10 pm
Peanut fussin, so outta here. Again thank you nolie. Nite all, have a good one.
So it seems that you can teach old man new tricks…
Good job old man and George.
next, we should get someone to teach y’all the advanced metrics… supposedly Shaun really knows that stuff and is a good teacher…. LOL
December 5th, 20128:11 pm
and if he goes down we are pretty much screwed…. too risky IMO but we will see . Personally I think it’s just another rumor like so many that fly around this time of year.
Upton’s salary for 2013 is $9.75 mil, and Swisher will command $15.0 per.
No way the Braves can afford either. Keep dreaming
December 5th, 20128:13 pm
several other years Frank has assured us that we had the funds but they never signed anybody.
I’ll believe a big name LFer when I see one. C’mon Franke, prove me wrong….
Ellsbury is in his walk year. We were willing to trade Delgado for 2 months of Dempster. I would trade Delgado for 1 year of Ellsbury. We could only wish he could have a JD Drew type year/situation. If he likes it here and we can extend him great. If not we get the draft pick.
It would give one more year for Gattis to mature. I do not think Boston would go for Gattis and Gilmartin or Gattis and Spruill for Ellsbury
December 5th, 20128:14 pm
DOB – would you trade Delgado (or Teheran) for Ellsbury??
December 5th, 20128:15 pm
noles: Are VaBraves and I crazy for thinking that a Teheran for Choo swap sounds fair? Also, what are your thoughts on Teheran vs. Delgado on who will be better next year and longterm… and finally, should next year be a make or break year for Teheran if he is in AAA again?
the question is not whether he is worthy of getting, the question is can he play a full season and what happens to the Braves if he can’t?
December 5th, 20128:16 pm
My point exactly haha Wren says they can afford Swisher then they defintiely can afford Justin Upton’s salary at just under 10 mil.
December 5th, 20128:19 pm
Nolie doubt we see much money spent in LF might try to deal for De Aza shouldnt cost alot.resign R Johnson & Durbin too
I’d trade one of them for Choo long B4 I traded one of them for Ellsbury TOBF. No way to know about trades though. The other GM has got to think he is getting a deal too, think of how many go through compared to how many rumors there always are.
December 5th, 20128:20 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Teams are interested in #Braves 3B Francisco, but ATL reluctant to trade unless/until they’re sure they have LF and 3B covered. Prado at 1.
December 5th, 20128:22 pm
Good fit, price too high so far. RT @BranManGT: @ajcbraves Braves going strong after Ellsbury? @Buster_ESPN seems to think they r best fit.
If you are that damn gullible, don;t be too disappointed when Wren gets a couple of bench players and calls it an off season
December 5th, 20128:23 pm
Scott Miller @ScottMCBS
Boras: Lots of teams interested in “franchise guy” Michael Bourn. http://cbsprt.co/YCdCU5 #Phillies #Mariners
I think you are wasting your time Jack, IIRC nc90 believes every season
December 5th, 20128:24 pm
Yep Ellsbury on that medical list with G Sizemore an injury looking for a place to happen
FW and Schuerholz said dont count them out for Greinke ( hope they put in a 6/114 offer) but we all know they dont haveover 20mil lying around. So of course he’d say that he can afford Swisher, but we havent even been connected to him. Instead he’s looking at Bonifacio and Schierholtz while saying Constanza and Durango deserve a chance. Not a friggin conender they dont! We gotta catch a Nats team who won 98 last season and have gotten better.
December 5th, 20128:25 pm
Can’t get the bold or italics to turn off. What’s the trick?
December 5th, 20128:28 pm
“I think you are wasting your time Jack, IIRC nc90 believes every season”
Heck no, if this had been a normal offseason, i.e. about 7 mil to spend then i would expect a bench player and maybe a platoon player. But with this much money coming off the books to spend, Wren will spend it. I mean come on, we know the payroll is not going to be 85 mil.
Nolie how ya been doing ?
Yep, got that after the first couple posts. Still believes in fairy tales
Hugo Z Hackenbush
December 5th, 20128:29 pm
Every team needs a “franchise guy” with a 90 career OPS+. That Boras, what a card!
it shows you in the page I linked to. Old Man. you need to put the closing set at the end of what you want to stop. I can’t show you here cause it won’t show up.
December 5th, 20128:30 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
#STLCards want to upgrade with utility infielder. They have discussed free agent Alex Gonzalez and trade options Getz and Lombardozzi.
nc how much we got to spend ???
.Im hearing 10mil & might need some of that at mid season to bring in a player
Hiya Wayne. I been ok, how about yourself?
December 5th, 20128:31 pm
Just because the GM was willing to enter into one doubtful trade (Delgado for Dempster) doesn’t make another doubtful one (Delgado for Ellsbury) justifiable. At least in the Dempster trade, Wren was thinking championship by getting that flamethrowing #1 heading into the playoffs. (As it turned out, not getting Dempster was a blessing in disguise b/c he got hurt as I recall).
December 5th, 20128:32 pm
I could see it at 90mil
Don’t really know an exact figure, but after the Hanson trade I believe there is about 12-13 mil to spend this offseason.
I’m just glad y’all aren’t pushing Medlen out the door via trade for some middling OFer because he hasn’t “proven himself…”
December 5th, 20128:33 pm
DOB said about 10 mil after the Hanson deal and the Janish signing
Braves Fan In Maine
In the end the braves get Upton and give up ahmed, tehran and delgado
Sorry for the general accusation. I can’t remember who the guys were who were all over using Medlen as trade bait. But I think that would be a serious mistake.
I have it pegged at $88
Right now, I have personally narrowed it down to two:
(1) Gordon, if you are OK with blocking any other LF option for 3 years;
(2) Choo, if you’re not.
If you put a gun to my head, I would say Choo. I want to keep options open. Not sure we can afford to lock up 31M over 3 years with Gordon (or Justin Upton) in LF, when maybe Gattis or Prado will be my LFer in 2014, or maybe there will be someone on the market next winter I like even more. There are guys like Heyward, Freeman, Prado, and some pitchers I will want to lock up long term, in addition to BJ. How many long term contracts can we afford?
I would be thrilled with Gordon or Choo. Another benefit of Choo is we get to go through all of this again next winter!! Yippee!
December 5th, 20128:34 pm
nolie glad to hear you well I am doing ok here just watching the trade mill
“I could see it at 90mil”
No way that the payroll goes down especially after increase in attendance. Was around 93-94 mil last year. Wren says it will be 95-100 mil this year, I’d say he probably knows best but maybe you think different.
old man- quit while you are ahead. we saw that you could do it. Its kinda like doing a triple lindy off the diving board. Just because you did it once, no need to continue. Next thing you know, your computer will be locked up or worse maybe have a virus or the flu or whatever these things get. I’m lucky to be able to read emails or download a picture. Just born too soon I guess. Technology moves much faster than I do.
December 5th, 20128:35 pm
That would be a tough one to turn down, Braves Fan Maine, but I’d want to keep Delgado at least. Maybe Ahmed, Teheran, and (Gilmartin/whoever).
December 5th, 20128:37 pm
Actually, with Hanson out the door, I think the Braves are constrained to trading only one of Delgado/Teheran at this point. Again, I’d prefer to keep Delgado based on what I’ve seen.
December 5th, 20128:38 pm
I read somewhere Ahmed might be better at 2nd than at SS at mlb level
December 5th, 20128:40 pm
Zing….. I agree I saw him pitch when the gwinnett braves played pawtucket redsox…. I am one that was really hoping at the trade deadline that they didnt trade him…. but if we can get upton then yeah I would pull the trigger….. I would also look at getting youkillis….. I still think he has it and he can play 3rd
bring back blauser
December 5th, 20128:41 pm
why not sign Alex Gonzalez for third base and use Prado in Left Field
December 5th, 20128:43 pm
Enter your comments here
whatever man, we have had this argument other years i am pretty sure
December 5th, 20128:44 pm
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
#Rangers prefer signing Greinke, trading for Upton. That would mean passing on Hamilton
no way the Braves are getting rid of both Teheran and Delgado for anybody
Early in the offseason, FW said payroll would be between 95 and 100mil. That meant we had 25 to 30mil to spend. We spent, say, 15 on BJ and gained 4 with the loss of Hanson… thats a net of 11mil. We should have between 14 and 19 left, yet supposedly now it’s just 10mil and Frank is searching for premium platooners. Something is fishy. Ill be upset if they truly lower payroll, they’ve spent 90+ before and attendance was up last year.
But right now, i’ll say we hit 91mil max, which is lower than in 2012.
December 5th, 20128:45 pm
Nate Schierholtz has an offer in hand from #Yankees, I believe it is 1st firm offer NYY has made to a position plyr this offseason
Ellsbury? No thanks.
Another 1 yr rental Scott Boras client, with a poor health history, who in 2013 will make $9.0 mil
December 5th, 20128:46 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Best line I’ve heard at the meetings, when a club official heard about a questionable signing by a division rival:”Subtraction by addition.”
Wouldn’t be surprised if #Yankees RF in this tighter fiscal world turns out to be LH/RH platoon of Schierholtz/Scott Hairston
December 5th, 20128:47 pm
Seriously, there is no way we can go into next year replacing Bourn/Chipper with BJ/Constanza or Fransisco. I am a bigger fan of the Upton signing than most, but the goal is to get better in the offseason. Right now, we have gotten worse. Bullpen a little better, yes. Lineup? Worse. Rotation? TBD.
But Scott Hairston has several teams interested in him, including #Yankees #Mets #Mariners #Cardinals
We spent, say, 15 on BJ and gained 4 with the loss of Hanson…
we did not really gain 4 with Hanson because he only cost us 500tou or so last season, so in comparing seasons it was not a 4mil gaim
December 5th, 20128:48 pm
If the braves are going to get justin upton I would rather have them get cody ross…. I think he would fit better in the braves lineup !!
Think how crazy #Yankees financial world is that Nate Schierholtz is 1st position player to get offer from them. #zany
December 5th, 20128:49 pm
We got to have some of the money to pay arb eligible their raises
How about Francisco for Olt….. I love dreaming
December 5th, 20128:50 pm
I think its fairly safe that the Braves payroll will be at least the same as last year. I am more concerned about HOW they spend, not how much.
hope all you guys are right, I’ll believe another big signing when I see it, and I agree that we need one
Why do people continue to mention Durango? The dude is gone, he’s in KC now.
Top Prospect Alert @MinorLeagueBlog
#Braves Juan Francisco has hit his 7th Dominican Winter League Home Run
December 5th, 20128:52 pm
keep poundin’ them dingers ‘cisco, maybe we can trade you flat up for Gordon…..
December 5th, 20128:53 pm
December 5th, 2012
we did not really gain 4 with Hanson because he only cost us 500tou or so last season, so in comparing seasons it was not a 4mil gain
I’ve been trying to explain this to many people on the ‘ol blog about what is and isn’t available
December 5th, 20128:54 pm
Not a big fan of Olt. I mean, I would take him over Francisco, obviously, but I don’t think Olt would be worth the talent we would give up. He doesn’t seem destined to remain at 3B, he kind of projects more as a first baseman. What’s the contract situation with Brett Gardner? Francisco, Ahmed, Cunningham, and Spruill could net him, yes?
December 5th, 20128:55 pm
Medlen for Myers….. kidding
Id love to get Choo or some other , healthy, 1yr guy for LF… get the draft pick when they leave, see if Gattis is ready. If not, then go get my man Hunter Pence for LF. Shoulda been wearing an ATL jersey since last July, but whatever. And if this player is pretty valuable, trade Teheran over Delgado. Julio is slowly busting, RD is a much better pither right now. If we keep Teheran, its to have him go back to AAA and do well. If he does poorly again, he be losing trade value. I would not complain at all if we trade him for a good player like Choo.
December 5th, 20128:56 pm
Medlen for Myers…. I would do that.
December 5th, 20128:57 pm
money is apparently not an option. Wrenn said today out of his own mouth that they could get Swisher if they wanted him.
Choo and Gordon are both impact bats. They really make our lineup pretty scary.
Here is our 2013 season according to Bill James:
Choo .283/ .374/ .440/ .814/ 16hrs
Prado .291/ .347/ .425/ .772/ 11hrs
Heyward .269/ .335/ .479/ .814/ 26hrs
BJ .248/ .329/ .436/ .765/ 23hrs
Freeman .282/ .358/ .481/ .839/ 24hrs
Uggla .238/ .341/ .439/ .780/ 28hrs
McCann .266/ .347/ .467/ .814/ 23hrs
Simmons .289/ .351/ .416/ .767/ 10hrs
December 5th, 20128:58 pm
And BTW, Teheran just through a combrined 10 1/2 innings of 1 hit ball in the DR.
December 5th, 20128:59 pm
Christ, I just used the incorrect form of “threw.”
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