Youk has a decent OBP and looking at his numbers it appears he puts the ball in play. 108 Ks last season, which is a little high for me, but comparatively speaking with the Braves lineup, only 108 Ks.
Not a bad addition in my opinion, but I think his best days are behind him.
Patrick – If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
I am sure Arizona will not do the deal without getting either SS in return. In any event, some people sure want to fire Wren or deem his offseason a failure if things do not go exactly as planned.
If only the Braves had picked Oldt over Lipka in the 2010 draft stuings right now…
In the realm of what ifs..
Taking Gilmore and Fields between Heyward and Freeman instead of Stanton stings a lot more. Also taking Minor with the number 7 pick worked out OK, but it could have been Trout.
December 5th, 2012
12:11 pm
Braves taking Matt Lipka(#35) over Mike Olt(#49) in 2010 sorta stings right now, don’t it?
They seem to have this need to gather as many players of 1 type as possible, as quickly as possible. They’ve had their SS phase, their SP phase, now they are at the winter meetings collecting minor league backup catchers…
One can only hope that the team decides to start collecting high-ceiling outfielders next. Never gonna happen, but one can hope.
Good one Murph. Sad but true.
DOB
Can you please go confirm that Wren is actually at the meetings and not just some cardboard cut-out of Wren with a tape recorder behind him on loop?
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
–Patrick
Don’t narrow your vision to acquiring one player and forget about other options… Say the Rangers do get J Upton, and the Braves get Alex Gordon either as part of a 4-team deal or as a separate deal. you still firing Wren? Gordon is a better fit (plays OF, 3B and can bat leadoff) and a little cheaper than J Upton.
unbelieveable IF the Braves were able to sign Kevin Youk at an affordable amount, good or bad move?
Bad, he’s done
youkilis is done? i bet hes not. he might be done OPSing in the .900s, but he still has some productive years. i actually think the braves could do alot worse…though ive been hoping they do a bit better.
Dap, you may be right. The trend from last year is alarming. Bill James has him with good projections for next season. .265/.371/.465. 21HR’s 83RBI’s. He’s been injured a lot so that would be a very surprising bounce back.
I find it curious the Braves are not even mentioned to be in on anybody. Not even a rumor. Only Frank and JS know how much $$ they have to spend. Its a bigger secret than the KFC recipe. As a fan, I’m not hopeful with what the roster looks like today. Take a chance Frank. You rolled the dice on KK, Lowe, McLouth. Soriano for Chavez etc. You couldn’t do any worse than those moves. The team is not far away from being a real threat. Just a little push Frank. Come on. If the moves I mentioned didn’t put your job in jeopardy, I think you are safe. Just do it!!
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
There is 4 teams involved
Lack of Vision is a definate reason for termination in this business.
Also, someone said that something about having more pieces to trade aside from the two SS. But, so do the Braves.
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Yes, he did. RT @ATLBaseballGod: Didn’t pastornicky get cut from his winter league team?
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WOW, that really says something about PASTOR.
Since I live close by, the Rangers have become my de facto second favorite baseball team. Thus, I would not mind them landing J. Upton and/or Greinke. I think they should cut ties with Hamilton as I do not see him worth all the $$ as he ages and with his baggage.
In another vein, it figures I would have as my next favorite team a franchise that struggles in the post seasons and loses a WS after having victory in clear sight.
Swisher has said many times that he is not going to sign anywhere until after Hamilton signs. He says he is enjoying the process and has many offers on the table. Wonder if this is true, if some of those talks have been sign hamilton and I am coming on board?
3team trades are rare in baseball,doubtful the Braves could find another partner, and JU isnt getting traded. Now a 4teamer may be going down and JU would be included. LOL
Patrick – Lack of Vision is a definate reason for termination in this business.
I would guess that the Rangers are in a better position to land J. Upton than the Braves. It seems like they have more prospects to entice Towers. Also, the Rangers are probably in a better position financially going forward. Wren knows he is operating with the backdrop of a lousy TV deal and corporate ownership. He obviously is trying to steer the various difficult course in making the Braves competitive in the short term while maintaining some sort of viability in the long run.
I think it is very presumptuous to try to armchair Wren’s decision making. He certainly has not been perfect, but nobody is,
unbelieveable Dap, you may be right. The trend from last year is alarming. Bill James has him with good projections for next season. .265/.371/.465. 21HR’s 83RBI’s.
that line seems a bit optimistic, but i do think he will put up decent numbers. you do have to have a good backup for him though, because of his recent injury issues. i would probably believe .250/.350/.450, which would be really good actually, especially considering what he does to lefthanded pitching. fransisco could spell him vs. righties when he needed a breather. could work. BUT, i dont think wren is interested in that kind of player.
Wren has kept the Braves competitive the last several years. That’s all that fans can ask of a GM. Sure, it’s nice to have a goal of winning the World Series every year. But, that’s not reasonable. Not even for the Yankees. So, the goal really is to be competitive and in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Braves fall into that category more than not, so I think Wren – especially given the payroll circumstances – has done his job above average.
Co-sign that sucker. It’s sure all that I ask….give me a team to cheer for all summer long. Most of these teams are eliminated in spring training whether they believe it or not.
Really hope Hamilton doesn’t go to the Philly’s. We can call him a head case all we want but i’d love to see the guy crush 50 HR’s this year and have a great season. I think he still has 3-4 really good seasons left.
December 5th, 2012
1:01 pm
Wren has kept the Braves competitive the last several years. That’s all that fans can ask of a GM. Sure, it’s nice to have a goal of winning the World Series every year. But, that’s not reasonable. Not even for the Yankees. So, the goal really is to be competitive and in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Braves fall into that category more than not, so I think Wren – especially given the payroll circumstances – has done his job above average
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On WREN I AGREE ,but did not think BJ was a good move.
I have changed my tune…I don’ think we make a trade for a LF today….maybe not before the season starts. It will be addressed at the deadline IF we are in contention.
Indians are pushing the Diamondbacks to include Tyler Skaggs in a deal for Asdrubal Cabrera.
You know, I’ve never really thought much about how these multi-team trades are negotiated. Are these guys all on a conference call, where everybody can hear everything? One guy talks to another guy, then picks up the phone and calls the third guy who calls the fourth guy?
Wouldn’t it be something if even after the Braves have supposedly freed up some payroll, they go into spring training with less talent than they finished 2012 with?
Think about it. They over paid for Upton, to replace a guy who many think is a better piece than Upton. They lost Chipper, lost Bourne, lost Ross, could lose Reed Johnson. And so far they have replaced that group with……. Upton. What if Frank does go “in house” to fill left field?
The Braves math is starting to look like Washington math. It just doesn’t add up!
Stop thinking Wren is going to pull off some miracle. Justin Upton is coming to the Braves, and I doubt any other high impact player will either. Same ole Braves, big talk, no results. BJ Upton and his .298 OBP is the best we’re getting.
Stop thinking Wren is going to pull off some miracle. Justin Upton is coming to the Braves, and I doubt any other high impact player will either. Same ole Braves, big talk, no results. BJ Upton and his .298 OBP is the best we’re getting
Finally, someone who is being realistic.
THANK YOU
There are some high expectations for Profar, and I have read articles suggesting that he is major league ready. I think the Rangers should role the dice and trade Andrus as partof a package for J. Upton.
Then, the Rangers should deal Olt to the Braves for Teheran. Problems solved all the way around.
The Braves might as well see if they could Ellsbury, despite the steep price they would have to pay. That way the Braves could have the productive lineup they have always wanted. Sigh, but such is baseball. Probably right to hold on to the prospects in the long run. But if they want to make a run at the division title again, now is the time to strike!
With 20-25 mil to spend, trading a servicable but declining pitcher for a 700 OPS strikout machine is all Wren gets done to replace Bourn and Chipper he should be FIRED! This is not accetable, his job is to make the team better, has he with the addition of Upton? I think not, accountabilty is a lost art betweens the walls of the good ol boy club braves front office.
You have forgot to mention that we are discussing only TWO starters. Chipper/Bourn. That’s it.
We have Upton now. You can’t honestly say you enjoyed watching the 2nd half of Bourn’s season? And i’m looking at Chipper’s stats……pretty good for his age……but aren’t winning championships with that either.
Bourn and Chip for BJ Upton (and we got to drop Hanson from our staff which is huge). We sign anyone with decent numbers to play LF and I think this line-up is improved.
Hate on Upton all you want, he could have a good season here and you will all be wearing his dam player T.
No crusty Chip around, you just watch the team unity between these younger guys to push each other without the retirement circus. I think they will be exciting to watch this year.
Finally, someone who is being realistic. THANK YOU
Rating the FO’s offseason work two and a half months before ST starts is no more realistic than calling “Ballgame!” in the 1st. Are you one of those guys, Patrick? First-inning ballgamer?
Well I guess Bonifacio would be better than nothing, legit speedster who hits enough to bat leadoff. Hell bring back Reed Johnson also and we’d have a ok set up.
“That’s because you’re trying to sum all the columns before the spreadsheet is even open.”
Yes but when there is a history of campaigns that promise record profits, followed by the same disappointing results, time after time, when the spreadsheet columns are finally tallied, you lose faith in the messenger who keeps telling you good times are around the corner.
BTW, the previous statement in no way reflects my actual view of what is currently happening in DC. There, it’s “cut this, cut that, cut loopholes, followed by no specifics on how they plan to do it.
Buster has us as a possible landing spot for Jacoby Ellsbury.
1. Atlanta Braves
They want to win now and Ellsbury would be perfect for their every-day lineup, placed at the top. The Braves could stack up this way with Ellsbury:
CF Ellsbury
3B Martin Prado
RF Jason Heyward
1B Freddie Freeman
2B Dan Uggla
C Brian McCann
LF B.J. Upton
SS Andrelton Simmons
The Braves have the pitching talent to deal to make it happen in Randall Delgado or Julio Teheran.
People get their hopes up for these winter meeting weeks, but in all honesty nothing really happens this week. Its depressing for fans when we get pieces saying Upton, Choo, Gordon are on the radar and then the next day we hear bench type players like Bonifacio, Reed Johnson. Just disregard everything until a press release with the player being there.
Well I guess Bonifacio would be better than nothing, legit speedster who hits enough to bat leadoff. Hell bring back Reed Johnson also and we’d have a ok set up.
Come on, man. I’ve read enough of your posts to know you’re not one to hang your head, shuffle your feet, and let give-up bow your shoulders. Buck up.
ncscoots – Rating the FO’s offseason work two and a half months before ST starts is no more realistic than calling “Ballgame!” in the 1st. Are you one of those guys, Patrick? First-inning ballgamer?
I agree. Patience is certainly a virtue. Some posters, in an apparent effort to displace their anger at their own personal circumstances, choose to take the easier course and point the finger at the first instance.
Maybe next summer, while we still need a hitter who can drive runs in, FW will part with some top prospects. But we may need pitching too, so may be tough… And Id raather wait til the offseason to get a LF if we don’t get a longterm guy this winter. I want Pence.
Johan Santana – $31M
Jason Bay – $21.125M
David Wright – $8M
Frank Francisco – $6.5M
R.A. Dickey – $5M
Jon Niese – $3.05M
Daniel Murphy – $3M
Ike Davis – $2.8M
Bobby Parnell – $1.5M
Josh Thole – $1.2M
10 players – $83.175 million
Although I believe Bay’s contract is less than the $21 million. Paying him only a third or half of that in 2013, I think.
Bonifacio would be fine for helping shore up the bench with a utlity player. No chance he’s starting in LF if the Braves are wanting to try and compete this year.
you lose faith in the messenger who keeps telling you good times are around the corner.
My experience is that plenty of folks twist the message into what they want to hear, then shoot the messenger when it turns out to not be what he said, in the first place.
Good for Jeff Keppinger to secure a three year deal for his age 33-35 year old seasons. Prior to this season, he had hit .273/.323/.375, 88 OPS+ from 2008-2011.
Wow, I think all you Wren bashers are right. My God, he’s done almost nothing, and we have only … hmmm, hang on, let me see…. only FOUR MONTHS until opening day.
Forget reason, let’s judge him NOW!
Mets are going to be in a great position this time next year if they have strong seasons from Harvey and Wheeler. Set them up nicely heading into free agency with only around $30 million in guaranteed contracts.
We should have good reason to hope for something big. Wren just signed BJ flippin Upton to 75 million… We still have 10-15 million to work with plus pitching prospects. To go into 2013 with Prado playing musical chairs and Francisco, Gattis, and Constanza being relied upon to fill in would be pretty sad.
We have a damn good ballclub, Wren should be all over Shin Soo Choo, there has to be a way we can get a deal done.
Denard Span and his 3 years of control was added for only 1 single pitching prospect. Choo is a 1 year rental but is considered a better player so the price shouldn’t be much different after you factor in Span’s control.
Would you be okay with the Braves bringing in Ellsbury for 1 year and giving up Delgado or Teheran plus another piece? So before you start clamoring or ripping Wren for not making that deal, Ellsbury is going to cost. Teheran alone would not do it. Delgado alone probably would not do it either.
Got to change our perspective on dollars and years and worth, I guess. I am obviously out of step with the current marketplace, and I don’t mean a half-step, either. More like a 440.
@Mixxo based on your logic then where will the Yanks, Rangers, Tigers, Cards all finish. They haven’t done anything either. And you care to put up on that 85 win prediction?
…had a BABIP half-a-universe beyond his norm. He might have been a better player in 2011 (though none of his other years are in the same zipcode), but he was pretty lucky, too. I don’t think you can actually trade for good luck, and without it, I can’t get behind a Bonifacio acquisition.
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Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:31 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
As we reported late yesterday afternoon, Arizona is the middle of this four-team talk; they would be getting Asdrubal Cabrera for SS.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
I Love Vance Worley I Pray Braves can get him and Dom Brown say for Heyward and Galvis , tTHINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WREN YOU BUM
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
I Love Vance Worley I Pray Braves can get him and Dom Brown say for Heyward and Galvis , tTHINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WREN YOU BUM
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
I Love Vance Worley I Pray Braves can get him and Dom Brown say for Heyward and Galvis , tTHINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WREN YOU BUM
tony austin
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
Youk has a decent OBP and looking at his numbers it appears he puts the ball in play. 108 Ks last season, which is a little high for me, but comparatively speaking with the Braves lineup, only 108 Ks.
Not a bad addition in my opinion, but I think his best days are behind him.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
12:33 pm
Bad, he’s done
But, you know, I thought Victorino looked cooked, and the sumbee got 3/39. I’d hate to think I could be $39MM worth of wrong, but there it is.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
There is 4 teams involved
bravesfaninnc
December 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
When it’s all said and done, I’m guessing we will be entering Spring Training with one of two starting lineups:
LF Schafer
3B Prado
RF Heyward
CF Upton
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
SS Simmons
C Laird (until McCann returns)
or
LF Prado
SS Simmons
RF Heyward
CF Upton
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
3B Francisco
C Laird
can’t say I’m overly excited about either
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
Wrong. They have one of the best farm systems in baseball. More assets to deal than just Andrus and Profar.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:35 pm
Oh, boy, someone is stealing my moniker.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:36 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
One of the teams involved on the Nick Swisher talks: The Cleveland Indians, who missed out on Shane Victorino.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
12:36 pm
108 Ks last season, which is a little high for me, but comparatively speaking with the Braves lineup, only 108 Ks.
Yeah, but he did that in 430AB’s
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
12:36 pm
Patrick – If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
I am sure Arizona will not do the deal without getting either SS in return. In any event, some people sure want to fire Wren or deem his offseason a failure if things do not go exactly as planned.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
12:37 pm
Bravesfaninc, either lineup is not good enough to win this division.
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
Ok, I am not sure, but I bet Arizona will get a nice haul in return from Texas in return for Upton.
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
what is a moniker????????? DID YOU MEAM MONITOR 3RD GRADER????????
jim
December 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
If only the Braves had picked Oldt over Lipka in the 2010 draft stuings right now…
In the realm of what ifs..
Taking Gilmore and Fields between Heyward and Freeman instead of Stanton stings a lot more. Also taking Minor with the number 7 pick worked out OK, but it could have been Trout.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:38 pm
S/O Brava
I am curious george. What are your thoughts on BRAVES getting ELLSBURY now for either LF or CF?
Hi George,
From what I’m reading, the Sox will only trade him if a team overpays, so I don’t think it would happen.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
Murph
December 5th, 2012
12:11 pm
Braves taking Matt Lipka(#35) over Mike Olt(#49) in 2010 sorta stings right now, don’t it?
They seem to have this need to gather as many players of 1 type as possible, as quickly as possible. They’ve had their SS phase, their SP phase, now they are at the winter meetings collecting minor league backup catchers…
One can only hope that the team decides to start collecting high-ceiling outfielders next. Never gonna happen, but one can hope.
Good one Murph. Sad but true.
DOB
Can you please go confirm that Wren is actually at the meetings and not just some cardboard cut-out of Wren with a tape recorder behind him on loop?
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
One of the teams involved on the Nick Swisher talks: The Cleveland Indians, who missed out on Shane Victorino.
They’d only have to give up a 2nd rounder for Swisher.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
12:39 pm
I’ll let DOB know on Twitter that his favorite troll is back on the blog.
bravesfaninnc
December 5th, 2012
12:40 pm
I agree, unbelievable. And yet, with each passing day, it looks more and more like that’s what we’re going to see.
C-Chat
December 5th, 2012
12:40 pm
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
–Patrick
Don’t narrow your vision to acquiring one player and forget about other options… Say the Rangers do get J Upton, and the Braves get Alex Gordon either as part of a 4-team deal or as a separate deal. you still firing Wren? Gordon is a better fit (plays OF, 3B and can bat leadoff) and a little cheaper than J Upton.
DAP
December 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
unbelieveable IF the Braves were able to sign Kevin Youk at an affordable amount, good or bad move?
Bad, he’s done
youkilis is done? i bet hes not. he might be done OPSing in the .900s, but he still has some productive years. i actually think the braves could do alot worse…though ive been hoping they do a bit better.
C-Chat
December 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
…and it also takes J Upton outta the NL league, so we wouldn’t face him much, either.
tony austin
December 5th, 2012
12:44 pm
If a Braves pitchers hit J Upton and he charges the mound, whose side does BJ defend?
jim
December 5th, 2012
12:45 pm
Braves hard throwers –
Delgado would range between 92 and 96 with his 4-seamer
Teheran has mid 90’s stuff
Beachy would sit between 92-94
There is a lot more to pitching than pure velocity. 98 and straight can go a long way all too often.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
Dap, you may be right. The trend from last year is alarming. Bill James has him with good projections for next season. .265/.371/.465. 21HR’s 83RBI’s. He’s been injured a lot so that would be a very surprising bounce back.
chipl1960
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
I find it curious the Braves are not even mentioned to be in on anybody. Not even a rumor. Only Frank and JS know how much $$ they have to spend. Its a bigger secret than the KFC recipe. As a fan, I’m not hopeful with what the roster looks like today. Take a chance Frank. You rolled the dice on KK, Lowe, McLouth. Soriano for Chavez etc. You couldn’t do any worse than those moves. The team is not far away from being a real threat. Just a little push Frank. Come on. If the moves I mentioned didn’t put your job in jeopardy, I think you are safe. Just do it!!
Patrick
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
If the Rangers pull off a trade for Upton and end up not having to give up Andrus or Profar. Wren should be FIRED
There is 4 teams involved
Lack of Vision is a definate reason for termination in this business.
Also, someone said that something about having more pieces to trade aside from the two SS. But, so do the Braves.
George_George
December 5th, 2012
12:47 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Yes, he did. RT @ATLBaseballGod: Didn’t pastornicky get cut from his winter league team?
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WOW, that really says something about PASTOR.
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
12:48 pm
Since I live close by, the Rangers have become my de facto second favorite baseball team. Thus, I would not mind them landing J. Upton and/or Greinke. I think they should cut ties with Hamilton as I do not see him worth all the $$ as he ages and with his baggage.
In another vein, it figures I would have as my next favorite team a franchise that struggles in the post seasons and loses a WS after having victory in clear sight.
Ray
December 5th, 2012
12:49 pm
Swisher has said many times that he is not going to sign anywhere until after Hamilton signs. He says he is enjoying the process and has many offers on the table. Wonder if this is true, if some of those talks have been sign hamilton and I am coming on board?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
12:54 pm
3team trades are rare in baseball,doubtful the Braves could find another partner, and JU isnt getting traded. Now a 4teamer may be going down and JU would be included. LOL
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
12:55 pm
Patrick – Lack of Vision is a definate reason for termination in this business.
I would guess that the Rangers are in a better position to land J. Upton than the Braves. It seems like they have more prospects to entice Towers. Also, the Rangers are probably in a better position financially going forward. Wren knows he is operating with the backdrop of a lousy TV deal and corporate ownership. He obviously is trying to steer the various difficult course in making the Braves competitive in the short term while maintaining some sort of viability in the long run.
I think it is very presumptuous to try to armchair Wren’s decision making. He certainly has not been perfect, but nobody is,
DAP
December 5th, 2012
12:59 pm
unbelieveable Dap, you may be right. The trend from last year is alarming. Bill James has him with good projections for next season. .265/.371/.465. 21HR’s 83RBI’s.
that line seems a bit optimistic, but i do think he will put up decent numbers. you do have to have a good backup for him though, because of his recent injury issues. i would probably believe .250/.350/.450, which would be really good actually, especially considering what he does to lefthanded pitching. fransisco could spell him vs. righties when he needed a breather. could work. BUT, i dont think wren is interested in that kind of player.
C-Chat
December 5th, 2012
1:01 pm
Wren has kept the Braves competitive the last several years. That’s all that fans can ask of a GM. Sure, it’s nice to have a goal of winning the World Series every year. But, that’s not reasonable. Not even for the Yankees. So, the goal really is to be competitive and in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Braves fall into that category more than not, so I think Wren – especially given the payroll circumstances – has done his job above average.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:04 pm
Ross Detwiler has joined Twitter and his handle is NationalDet. Pretty clever.
Fols
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
C-Chat
Co-sign that sucker. It’s sure all that I ask….give me a team to cheer for all summer long. Most of these teams are eliminated in spring training whether they believe it or not.
Really hope Hamilton doesn’t go to the Philly’s. We can call him a head case all we want but i’d love to see the guy crush 50 HR’s this year and have a great season. I think he still has 3-4 really good seasons left.
George_George
December 5th, 2012
1:05 pm
-Chat
December 5th, 2012
1:01 pm
Wren has kept the Braves competitive the last several years. That’s all that fans can ask of a GM. Sure, it’s nice to have a goal of winning the World Series every year. But, that’s not reasonable. Not even for the Yankees. So, the goal really is to be competitive and in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Braves fall into that category more than not, so I think Wren – especially given the payroll circumstances – has done his job above average
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On WREN I AGREE ,but did not think BJ was a good move.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:07 pm
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
Indians are pushing the Diamondbacks to include Tyler Skaggs in a deal for Asdrubal Cabrera. D-backs would prefer to trade Trevor Bauer.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:09 pm
Jon Sciambi @BoogSciambi
Bade move by Buster_ESPN leaving his computer alone…about to tweet Hamilton to the Marlins.
David O'Brien
December 5th, 2012
1:10 pm
This is just one of five different sections of this Opryland Resort. Each section could be a huge stand-alone hotel by itself.
https://twitter.com/ajcbraves/status/276387640205524993/photo/1
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:11 pm
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
D-backs like a lot of Rangers prospects: Olt, Leury Garcia, Cody Buckel. But don’t want to trade Upton unless Profar or Andrus is involved.
JasonInFL
December 5th, 2012
1:12 pm
I have changed my tune…I don’ think we make a trade for a LF today….maybe not before the season starts. It will be addressed at the deadline IF we are in contention.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:12 pm
Indians are pushing the Diamondbacks to include Tyler Skaggs in a deal for Asdrubal Cabrera.
You know, I’ve never really thought much about how these multi-team trades are negotiated. Are these guys all on a conference call, where everybody can hear everything? One guy talks to another guy, then picks up the phone and calls the third guy who calls the fourth guy?
Good thing these don’t come along too often.
tony austin
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
Braves send Teheran + to the Indians for Cabrera, flip Cabrera or Cabrera +1 to the Diamondbacks for J Upton. Problem solved
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
On #Rangers’ pursuit of Upton: TEX side more confident, but acknowledge “ways to go” before deal. Unclear how many teams involved in trade.
Capitol Hill Math
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
Wouldn’t it be something if even after the Braves have supposedly freed up some payroll, they go into spring training with less talent than they finished 2012 with?
Think about it. They over paid for Upton, to replace a guy who many think is a better piece than Upton. They lost Chipper, lost Bourne, lost Ross, could lose Reed Johnson. And so far they have replaced that group with……. Upton. What if Frank does go “in house” to fill left field?
The Braves math is starting to look like Washington math. It just doesn’t add up!
njbraves
December 5th, 2012
1:13 pm
Stop thinking Wren is going to pull off some miracle. Justin Upton is coming to the Braves, and I doubt any other high impact player will either. Same ole Braves, big talk, no results. BJ Upton and his .298 OBP is the best we’re getting.
njbraves
December 5th, 2012
1:15 pm
” Isn’t”
Fols
December 5th, 2012
1:15 pm
I don’t like the idea of Prado playing LF and Fransisco at 3B.
I would much rather have Prado take over 3B for once and for all…..and have Reed working LF and as lead-off (if we don’t sign anyone).
Reed
Prado
Heyward
Upton
FF
Uggla
Simmons
Hudson
Mac
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:15 pm
The Braves math is starting to look like Washington math. It just doesn’t add up!
That’s because you’re trying to sum all the columns before the spreadsheet is even open.
JasonInFL
December 5th, 2012
1:16 pm
Replacing Bourn/Chipper with BJ/Francisco or Constanza would be an absolute travesty.
Patrick
December 5th, 2012
1:17 pm
Stop thinking Wren is going to pull off some miracle. Justin Upton is coming to the Braves, and I doubt any other high impact player will either. Same ole Braves, big talk, no results. BJ Upton and his .298 OBP is the best we’re getting
Finally, someone who is being realistic.
THANK YOU
Rick C
December 5th, 2012
1:17 pm
Fols, Reed just is not an everyday player anymore.
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
1:18 pm
There are some high expectations for Profar, and I have read articles suggesting that he is major league ready. I think the Rangers should role the dice and trade Andrus as partof a package for J. Upton.
Then, the Rangers should deal Olt to the Braves for Teheran. Problems solved all the way around.
Peter R.
December 5th, 2012
1:19 pm
The Braves might as well see if they could Ellsbury, despite the steep price they would have to pay. That way the Braves could have the productive lineup they have always wanted. Sigh, but such is baseball. Probably right to hold on to the prospects in the long run. But if they want to make a run at the division title again, now is the time to strike!
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
1:19 pm
Brian Costa of the Wall Street Journal reports that David Wright has agreed to reduce his 2013 salary to $8 million.
$15 million deferred to after 2020 too, so the Mets are paying him 7 years, $115 million from 2014-2020.
If Wright’s salary is $8 million, that should free up a good bit of money for them to spend.
Ric Flair to Right
December 5th, 2012
1:19 pm
With 20-25 mil to spend, trading a servicable but declining pitcher for a 700 OPS strikout machine is all Wren gets done to replace Bourn and Chipper he should be FIRED! This is not accetable, his job is to make the team better, has he with the addition of Upton? I think not, accountabilty is a lost art betweens the walls of the good ol boy club braves front office.
Fols
December 5th, 2012
1:20 pm
Capitol Hill
You have forgot to mention that we are discussing only TWO starters. Chipper/Bourn. That’s it.
We have Upton now. You can’t honestly say you enjoyed watching the 2nd half of Bourn’s season? And i’m looking at Chipper’s stats……pretty good for his age……but aren’t winning championships with that either.
Bourn and Chip for BJ Upton (and we got to drop Hanson from our staff which is huge). We sign anyone with decent numbers to play LF and I think this line-up is improved.
Hate on Upton all you want, he could have a good season here and you will all be wearing his dam player T.
No crusty Chip around, you just watch the team unity between these younger guys to push each other without the retirement circus. I think they will be exciting to watch this year.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:21 pm
Finally, someone who is being realistic. THANK YOU
Rating the FO’s offseason work two and a half months before ST starts is no more realistic than calling “Ballgame!” in the 1st. Are you one of those guys, Patrick? First-inning ballgamer?
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:22 pm
Well I guess Bonifacio would be better than nothing, legit speedster who hits enough to bat leadoff. Hell bring back Reed Johnson also and we’d have a ok set up.
Capitol Hill Math
December 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
“That’s because you’re trying to sum all the columns before the spreadsheet is even open.”
Yes but when there is a history of campaigns that promise record profits, followed by the same disappointing results, time after time, when the spreadsheet columns are finally tallied, you lose faith in the messenger who keeps telling you good times are around the corner.
BTW, the previous statement in no way reflects my actual view of what is currently happening in DC. There, it’s “cut this, cut that, cut loopholes, followed by no specifics on how they plan to do it.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Hearing keppinger to white sox, 3 yrs
Fols
December 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
Agree with scoots…..you can rate ’so far’ but that means very little until we see what happens. The Braves are not done…
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:24 pm
Buster has us as a possible landing spot for Jacoby Ellsbury.
1. Atlanta Braves
They want to win now and Ellsbury would be perfect for their every-day lineup, placed at the top. The Braves could stack up this way with Ellsbury:
CF Ellsbury
3B Martin Prado
RF Jason Heyward
1B Freddie Freeman
2B Dan Uggla
C Brian McCann
LF B.J. Upton
SS Andrelton Simmons
The Braves have the pitching talent to deal to make it happen in Randall Delgado or Julio Teheran.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
1:24 pm
People get their hopes up for these winter meeting weeks, but in all honesty nothing really happens this week. Its depressing for fans when we get pieces saying Upton, Choo, Gordon are on the radar and then the next day we hear bench type players like Bonifacio, Reed Johnson. Just disregard everything until a press release with the player being there.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:25 pm
Well I guess Bonifacio would be better than nothing, legit speedster who hits enough to bat leadoff. Hell bring back Reed Johnson also and we’d have a ok set up.
Come on, man. I’ve read enough of your posts to know you’re not one to hang your head, shuffle your feet, and let give-up bow your shoulders. Buck up.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:26 pm
Amanda Comak @acomak
A lot of the #nats folks are heading out of the winter meetings today, including GM Mike Rizzo. Davey: “We didn’t have a big wish list.”
Tumbledown
December 5th, 2012
1:26 pm
ncscoots – Rating the FO’s offseason work two and a half months before ST starts is no more realistic than calling “Ballgame!” in the 1st. Are you one of those guys, Patrick? First-inning ballgamer?
I agree. Patience is certainly a virtue. Some posters, in an apparent effort to displace their anger at their own personal circumstances, choose to take the easier course and point the finger at the first instance.
Fols
December 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Wait until a press release”
Yeah……….do we have to wait till the morning newspaper to check the boxscore while we’re at it. Welcome to December! 2012!
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
Maybe next summer, while we still need a hitter who can drive runs in, FW will part with some top prospects. But we may need pitching too, so may be tough… And Id raather wait til the offseason to get a LF if we don’t get a longterm guy this winter. I want Pence.
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
Johan Santana – $31M
Jason Bay – $21.125M
David Wright – $8M
Frank Francisco – $6.5M
R.A. Dickey – $5M
Jon Niese – $3.05M
Daniel Murphy – $3M
Ike Davis – $2.8M
Bobby Parnell – $1.5M
Josh Thole – $1.2M
10 players – $83.175 million
Although I believe Bay’s contract is less than the $21 million. Paying him only a third or half of that in 2013, I think.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:28 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Nationals seem hopeful they sign LaRoche. Would then trade Morse. Mariners would have interest in Morse.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2012
1:28 pm
Bonifacio would be fine for helping shore up the bench with a utlity player. No chance he’s starting in LF if the Braves are wanting to try and compete this year.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
Amanda Comak @acomak
#nats unlikely to make a selection in the Rule 5 draft. Nowhere to put one on the roster. Expect they’ll lose a player or 2.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
you lose faith in the messenger who keeps telling you good times are around the corner.
My experience is that plenty of folks twist the message into what they want to hear, then shoot the messenger when it turns out to not be what he said, in the first place.
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
1:32 pm
Good for Jeff Keppinger to secure a three year deal for his age 33-35 year old seasons. Prior to this season, he had hit .273/.323/.375, 88 OPS+ from 2008-2011.
Silly season.
Luman Harris
December 5th, 2012
1:34 pm
Wow, I think all you Wren bashers are right. My God, he’s done almost nothing, and we have only … hmmm, hang on, let me see…. only FOUR MONTHS until opening day.
Forget reason, let’s judge him NOW!
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:34 pm
DKnobler @DKnobler
Red Sox likely out now on Swisher, Cody Ross, unless they trade Ellsbury.
Efrim
December 5th, 2012
1:34 pm
Mets are going to be in a great position this time next year if they have strong seasons from Harvey and Wheeler. Set them up nicely heading into free agency with only around $30 million in guaranteed contracts.
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:34 pm
We should have good reason to hope for something big. Wren just signed BJ flippin Upton to 75 million… We still have 10-15 million to work with plus pitching prospects. To go into 2013 with Prado playing musical chairs and Francisco, Gattis, and Constanza being relied upon to fill in would be pretty sad.
We have a damn good ballclub, Wren should be all over Shin Soo Choo, there has to be a way we can get a deal done.
Denard Span and his 3 years of control was added for only 1 single pitching prospect. Choo is a 1 year rental but is considered a better player so the price shouldn’t be much different after you factor in Span’s control.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:34 pm
Dan Connolly @danconnollysun
The Orioles are closing in on re-signing Nate McLouth accdg to multiple sources. One source called it very close.
Ray
December 5th, 2012
1:37 pm
Would you be okay with the Braves bringing in Ellsbury for 1 year and giving up Delgado or Teheran plus another piece? So before you start clamoring or ripping Wren for not making that deal, Ellsbury is going to cost. Teheran alone would not do it. Delgado alone probably would not do it either.
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:38 pm
Silly season.
Got to change our perspective on dollars and years and worth, I guess. I am obviously out of step with the current marketplace, and I don’t mean a half-step, either. More like a 440.
Ray
December 5th, 2012
1:39 pm
@Luman, how dare you throw logic and common sense at them.
Mixxo
December 5th, 2012
1:40 pm
Frank will keep playing possum and before you know….there’s no one left.
Those lineups bravefaninnc posted earlier are now seeming realistic.
Welcome to 85 wins folks.
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:40 pm
ncscoots
True, but at some point you gotta prepare for something less and turn it into a positive.
In 2011 Bonifacio played 152 Games producing
296/360/393 38 XBH 40 SB
If he could produce close to that he would make a good leadoff man.
Hell, Michael Bourn played 155 Games in 2012 producing
274/348/391 45 XBH 42 SB
Not much difference.
BravesFanInMaine
December 5th, 2012
1:41 pm
The braves have been very quite since signing bj upton….. They need a left fielder…. constanza will not cut it in lf….!
slugger
December 5th, 2012
1:42 pm
DOB – I lived in Nashville for 4 years before recently moving to Denver.
MUST EAT: Prince’s Hot Chicken
alternative
Pepperfire Chicken
Coming from ATL, I wasn’t sure what food Nashville would be known for, but it’s surely it’s ‘Hot Chicken.’
Think spicy fried chicken (more dry rub than sauce).
It’s epic.
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:42 pm
No way in hell would I offer Delgado or Teheran for Ellsbury. But I would offer Teheran straight up for Choo.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 5th, 2012
1:44 pm
I still have a feeling we hear about a trade today for our Braves and it will be between 5-6 pm ET.
Ray
December 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
@Mixxo based on your logic then where will the Yanks, Rangers, Tigers, Cards all finish. They haven’t done anything either. And you care to put up on that 85 win prediction?
ncscoots
December 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
In 2011 Bonifacio
…had a BABIP half-a-universe beyond his norm. He might have been a better player in 2011 (though none of his other years are in the same zipcode), but he was pretty lucky, too. I don’t think you can actually trade for good luck, and without it, I can’t get behind a Bonifacio acquisition.
Russell Bell
December 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
Its friggin December 5th. Plenty of offseason left for Wren ti swing a deal for a LF, relax folks.
VaBravesFan
December 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
Boy just imagine having a leadoff man capable of producing a 380 OBP with 40 Doubles, 20 Homers, and 20 steals, that man is possibly Shin Soo Choo.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Keppinger three-year deal with #WhiteSox for about $12M.
Brava
December 5th, 2012
1:47 pm
FOX Sports: MLB @MLBONFOX
Former @BlueJays announcer Tom Cheek has won the 2013 Ford C. Frick Award for excellence in baseball broadcasting:
brian
December 5th, 2012
1:47 pm
Teheran’s last 2 starts in winter ball will give Wren pause to include him in a deal