10:34 pm December 3, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 3rd, 201210:46 pm
December 3rd, 201210:48 pm
DOB, what would it take to get Choo from Cleveland?
Affirmative Action Is Waffle House
The best trade target at this point is Shin Shoo Choo. High OBP, some speed and pop and defense. An all around player.
December 3rd, 201210:52 pm
Well its not sounding very promising, already “pumping” up the “interal” options rhetoric.
December 3rd, 201210:54 pm
Shin Shoo Choo would be awesome if the Braves can get a deal on him…
December 3rd, 201210:56 pm
2013 Contract Status: 3rd-Year Arb Eligible (details) [*]
Service Time (01/2013): 5.119, Arb Eligible: 2013, Free Agent: 2014 [*], Agents: Scott Boras, previously: Alan Nero [*]
December 3rd, 201210:59 pm
DOB, whats the chance we actually do land the younger upton without parting with simmons…..or even chase headley for 3rd?
Shin Shoo Choo would be a Boras one year wonder. Trade away prospects to get him and lose him too. No thanks
December 3rd, 201211:00 pm
If Minnesota needed pitching so bad, why didn’t we have a great chance to get Span before he went to the Nationals?
December 3rd, 201211:02 pm
The Battle of New Orleans
YOU’RE STILL THE ONE
ARE YOU LONESOME TO-NIGHT?
Elvis Presley With The Jordanaires
RAINDROPS KEEP FALLIN’ ON MY HEAD
The Kingston Trio
BIG BAD JOHN
HE’LL HAVE TO GO
ISLANDS IN THE STREAM
Kenny Rogers with Dolly Parton
STUCK ON YOU
Elvis Presley With The Jordanaires
THE THREE BELLS
IT’S ONLY MAKE BELIEVE
ODE TO BILLIE JOE
THE BALLAD OF THE GREEN BERETS
SSgt Barry Sadler U.S. Army Special Forces
The Everly Brothers
BEFORE THE NEXT TEARDROP FALLS
9 TO 5
I LOVE A RAINY NIGHT
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL
THE NIGHT THE LIGHTS WENT OUT IN GEORGIA
DON’T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE
BABY DON’T GET HOOKED ON ME
(HEY WON’T YOU PLAY) ANOTHER SOMEBODY DONE SOMEBODY WRONG SONG
QUEEN OF HEARTS
HARPER VALLEY P.T.A.
Jeannie C. Riley
LET YOUR LOVE FLOW
SUNSHINE ON MY SHOULDERS
YOU NEEDED ME
I CAN HELP
I HONESTLY LOVE YOU
PLEASE MR. PLEASE
HAVE YOU NEVER BEEN MELLOW
NORTH TO ALASKA
SPIDERS & SNAKES
THE WAY YOU LOVE ME
WHEN WILL I BE LOVED
THANK GOD I’M A COUNTRY BOY
LET ME BE THERE
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STEELY DAN MAN
Gattis is starting to become intriging ….. And what’s up w/ Bourn …… could it be possible Boras misread the market as far as his client is concern …… I would love to have him back …. But Boras makes that almost impossible.
December 3rd, 201211:05 pm
My bad, switching blogs two quickly. Please disregard or delete.
Did anyone believe Wren could swing a deal at the meetings that served a good purpose? He does not have the savvy. In my opinion.
Gattis can’t field. Klaw says so. I believe that guy.
December 3rd, 201211:14 pm
WTH …. THIS DONE TURNED TO THE COUNTRY MUSIC REVIEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 201211:15 pm
KLaw said Minor Could not pitch. KLaw has never seen Gattis field unless he caught a plane to South America. Maybe he is a Klesko fielder. I will take that if he hits
December 3rd, 201211:17 pm
gattis may not be able to field, but the kid can flat out rake. in LF, you don;t have to be a plus defender, just ask ludwick, manny, braun, willingham (sorry DOB ), morse, bay, etc.
hopefully wren blows our mind and nabs stanton
December 3rd, 201211:18 pm
well it’s almost inevitable that the Braves are either going to have to spend money or prospects to get a player of value. Who else would another team want besides our coveted pitchers. Of course the discussion will include Teheran, Delgado and if they have a good enough player to offer Minor and Medlen. I cringe at the thought of trading Medlen or Minor and I think it would take Stanton from Florida to make that happen but if Florida would do it I think we should trade Medlen or Minor for him and him only.
December 3rd, 201211:20 pm
Typical Frank Wren…Geez, c’mon you have to give up something good to get something good in return and in this case sure Andrelton has a bright future, but I can only make a case for him defensively, albeit the error he had in the wild card game, rookie nerve racks, i get it. But after 49 games what security can you have that he’s gonna be a good hitter? It’s not like were going to give him up for an old guy, we would be getting a 25 year old in Justin Upton that is definitely way better than his brother BJ, not only that, but both brothers will bring the best out of one another. We don’t have to have great defense, serviceable defense would be acceptable at shortstop with Paul Janish, and it’s better than serviceable, we witnessed that this past season when he filled that spot after injury to Simmons. Serviceable defense with the good pitching the Braves have should be enough because with that lineup if Justin is in it? It’s a dangerous lineup for any team that goes up against it, and it should keep us in arguable comparisons to washington’s lineup..Frank Wren, give us the fans something to go crazy over, and it would definitely help the braves market attendance wise and TV ratings, who wouldn’t want to see that tremendous lineup, outfield with two brothers playing together? IT WOULD BE HUGE! BRING J-UP TO A-TOWN! We want the best chance to win a world series in 2013, no later!!! you guys have tried every experiment since our last division win maybe even longer, Mr. Wren, give Braves fans what other team’s fans enjoy and that is something to give us to cheer about, this a historic franchise with a big following, I’m a huge fan from california, I’ve seen the Braves play since the early TBS superstation days, we deserve it!!! I’m tired of seeing us have to settle for what we have when can be much better… PLEASE BRING JUSTIN UPTON THE BRAVES!
December 3rd, 201211:24 pm
Prado is one of the best left fielders in the National League. With him out there the Braves defense is only marginally less than last year’s great defensive outfield (Bourne better defensively than Upton).
Why mess with left field?
Get a third baseman or give a chance to Fransisco. I personally believe that Fransisco has the ability to surprise all of you non believers.
Also I believe that Simmons or Prado could lead off as well as any left fielder that FW is able to sign or obtain in trade.
If it were up to me I would try to strengthen an already strong starting staff through free agency or trade. Here only talking about a premier pitcher, not a middle to lower end of the order pitcher.
If money is left over try and find a third baseman that rakes left handers. Gives some insurance in case Fransisco flops or continues to have difficulty hitting left handers. Still, I believe that Fransisco is going to be a complete ballplayer.
December 3rd, 201211:27 pm
Would Arizona bite on Teheran or Delgado for Upton?
December 3rd, 201211:29 pm
If KC cant get a current front-line starter for Gordon, then Teheran certainly falls into that potential front-line category. He looks like he has started to come into his own over the last two years, strong OBP, but perhaps not a leadoff hitter. I have seen some mixed feelings about him on this board tho.
I’d take Fowler over Choo. They’d probably have to give up more to get him though.
December 3rd, 201211:35 pm
Give the young guys a chance unless you can get Upton for a package of Ahmed, Terd, and one of the young pitchers or Mahlom. I would include Mejia if they wanted him also.
December 3rd, 201211:37 pm
With Hanson gone I think the Braves need to hang onto the rest of their starting pitchers, too many things can go wrong in spring training or during the season. Besides Maholm & Hudson may be gone after one more year. I’d be OK if Wren doesn’t get another outfielder during the Winter Meetings and let Gattis & Constanza see what they can do in spring training & see if they might make a good LF platoon. Get a couple of reasonably priced players that will produce for the bench and head to spring training. Just because there’s a little money in the cookie jar you don’t have to spend it all at once. If a need arises in spring training there would be a little cash to meet the need.
December 3rd, 201211:42 pm
Well said Martin.
Let’s hope Wren recalls Braves history. They never won a WS with Furcal in his prime at SS.
Renteria won them nothing. Escobar in his amazing first 18mos also zippo.
They won a WS with Blauser at SS and not one since then. Ruminate on that for a minute. Jeff Blauser was the SS 17 long years ago when you last won a WS.
Special SS create special stats and web gems for ESPN but they don’t win WS or put an entire team on their back unless they are Ozzie Smith, Jeter or Arod in their primes. Is Simmons already in that company or on that trajectory?
Two years ago Wren said the same things about JJ and Hanson. Look what happened.
Both could have netted the Braves a kings ransom but instead one was released for nothing and the other traded for a pen arm they really dont need.
Sure I would love to keep Simmons but lets not go nuts. He would have to become Jeter or Arod to pass up the opportunity Wren has with an Upton OF along with Heyward in RF.
Again Wren – review Braves history. For as long as you and JS have put human bookmarks in LF or INF in LF you have won a total of zero rings, zero.
For fun – Name the last 5 SS of the WS winners without using Google or ESPN. Then check their stats.
OF and corner INF win rings, SS & 2B provide defense and if you are lucky a little offense.
December 3rd, 201211:46 pm
Klaus—–First post i have seen with true logic. Thank you
J. Upton has got to be the target out of the guys listed. Shoo from Cleveland no thanks, Boras will have him out on the next train out from Atlanta. Fowler maybe. I would trade Teh or Del for any of the guys listed, except for J. Upton.
Im trying to say is: Trade for Upton and do not get rid of Simmons. Teh or Del and maybe Ahmed or gilmartin could bring J UP’s to ATL.
December 4th, 201212:02 am
Klaus…. not entirely true..
Jeter has won 5 WS.
Renteria 2 with the 1997 Marlins and the 2010 Giants. Was WS MVP. Also played in 2004 WS Cardinals Vs Boston
Furcal with the 2011 Cardinals
Rollins won with the 2008 Phillies
Also Elvis Andrus played in 2 WS
Tulowitski Played in one
So of the past 17 WS the above All-Star SS played in 13 of them. There are far few WS teams that had a no name SS than an All-Star.
This was easy to do in 5 minutes so the argument isn’t true.
December 4th, 201212:05 am
I see no reason to trade away Simmons. We don’t have to make a trade at all cost. We covered our CF and we could tweek what we have, but why not look into the future while we are setting this team. Gattis is in our plans, so don’t sell the farm for a temp. Get good value that can be retraded in future and work from within. I like Prado/Johnson in Left and Prado/Fransisco at 3rd. We don’t have to concentrate on Left field…look at 3rd too…loots of options avalible…
December 4th, 201212:12 am
Id still set my sights a little lower and aim for Lorenzo Cain, we def have the prospects to acquire him.
December 4th, 201212:13 am
A great SS is very important unless you have a shutdown rotation like the Braves had with Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz and those kind of rotations come along exactly once. So until we have that kind of pitching that has a combined ERA of 2.50 we need some offense as well as stellar D from our SS. I can’t believe how many people here think Simmons is so replaceable. In my opinion he is far from that.
December 4th, 201212:21 am
Yeah, Simmons is the Braves’ SS, end of story.
December 4th, 201212:26 am
I also said the last 5 WS “winners” so just played in or from the 90s is not part of the test.
Look at the names and tell me which SS was THE reason they won apart from Jeter (Rollings maybe). The Rockies had one freak season with Tulo and since then purgatory.
No way we can compare to Simmons to Jeter after 180 at bats.
So the test stands.
Bob the Blogger
Plan A should be to get a stud left fielder at a reasonable cost. However, I’d rather see the Braves give Francisco or Constanza/Reed a shot than give up a future starter for something less than ideal. Remember the Giants won the WS with Gregor Blanco in LF, who couldn’t stay in the majors until the Giants gave him a chance. If those guys don’t cut it, and Gattis isn’t ready, then they can make a trade in mid-season.
December 4th, 201212:37 am
Look I would like to keep Simmons but Ahmed has great skills (ridiculous speed for one, as in bury Bourn in a foot race) as well and is not far away (from being ready) given he is a college player.
You lead Ahmed, you sweeten the deal with arms etc but if the Dbacks are about to pull the trigger with another team and putting in Simmons means you can hang onto more pitching you have to pause versus cover your ears and sing.
If you think Simmons is the next Arod or Jeter fine but most SS are not those guys and most have a short window where they have a high impact.
Rollins is an afterthought and Tulo is now more known for his ridiculous contract versus his performance.
OF “win” WS SS provide defense apart from a few If .
Again just playing in a series is nice, winning it is what the goal should be.
We will have to gut more pitching if we keep Simmons. If we do that then Simmons better be all that people think he is after 49 games.
December 4th, 201212:40 am
I’m not sure I understand your argument… most World Championships aren’t decided by the play of a single player.
December 4th, 201212:47 am
Shin-Soo Choo…162 game average stat line of: 90-R..38-2B..4-3B..19-HR..86-RBI..21-SB…370+-OBP..847-OPS..he has averaged a 3.85 WAR since 2008!!! All this for 1 season at $7.5 million (projected arb$$$)..and the Tribe could settle for J.T.Graham, Avery Moore or Aaron Northcraft, and Cunningham or Pastornicky.
If you want to win now, get Choo even though he more than likely leaves, you can offer him arbitration after next season securing at least a sandwich pick or a 3.85 WAR for $13.5 million in Choo in case he wanted to continue to win with the Braves. This guy has never competed for a wildcard, let alone a divisional crown. We never know…he could end up loving it here? He could leave, but at least we gave it a great opportunity by rolling the dice.
December 4th, 201212:51 am
It’s J.R. Graham and Navery Moore. Graham should be off limits, as we just drafted him.
December 4th, 201212:59 am
Can we waive Chicken wren ??? Improvement by subtraction !!!!!!!!
December 4th, 20121:07 am
Things could be better. Bourn was replaced by Upton whose stats resemble those of Uggla and the lineup remains about the same except for the major loss of Chipper. Look for the GM to find an outfielder who used to be pretty good and is a candidate for rehabilitation. Maybe the Braves will get lucky.
December 4th, 20121:15 am
Does Paul Janish not have above average defense??? Simmons will be like an Alex Gonzalez w/ speed…I don’t think he’ll hit all that great..I bet on it
December 4th, 20121:22 am
I know its probaly a hell no, but, could a miracle happen and we get bourn back, and slide bj to left. SAY IT DID HAPPEN… would you be happy with it? I know its unlikely, but what if…
December 4th, 20121:42 am
Chase Headley is my choice. Need a production 3rd baseman to replace a production 3rd baseman
December 4th, 20121:44 am
Braves still have trade options if the want to give up one of the young pitchers. Gordon, Willingham and maybe Upton if we add Ahmed and another player. My guess the Braves will try to sign Reed Johnson and another bench player this week and wait to see how the spring goes with Gattis before the season starts. B.J. Upton added both the righthand bat and CF spot so we could go without making another major move unless its to our favor.
December 4th, 20121:51 am
How about a 3 team deal? Dodgers get Gilmartin and Pastornicky, D’Backs Get Teheran, Dee Gordon and Braves get Upton
December 4th, 20121:57 am
Martin- I agree. I think the Braves are overvaluing Simmons right now. Watching him hit, his swing has a few holes. The braves are hoping that he can become a Martin Prado and hit .300 with a little more speed and great defense. But in reality, he’s going to give you a .250 average, decent speed, and great defense.
December 4th, 20121:58 am
Delgado has to be the strangest pro pitcher I have ever seen. He can dominate in AAA but cannot pitch at the next level. He should go (along with Venters)
December 4th, 20123:06 am
@Klaus – one player does not decide the outcome of the world series. I feel like you are really “reaching” to try to prove why the braves don’t need simmons. I was in awe every time I saw the range of simmons and how many balls he saved up the middle, and I don’t know any current shortstop with that kind of range and energy that simmons brings on defense.
Its funny how you can bring up hanson and jj to validate your point of wren waiting too long to trade…but you fail to mention kimbrel, heyward, or freeman(success stories). You win some and you lose some…and considering that hanson and jj faced injuries, it is something that can be understandable.
@Chris – what makes you believe simmons will only be a .250 hitter?
December 4th, 20123:23 am
Get Upton, Fowler, and Bourn. Keep Freeman as the token white guy.
No. 1 Braves Fan
December 4th, 20123:52 am
Maybe today will be the day that something happens. If not, I believe nothing of signifcance will happen in Nashville. I am in the group that would like to see the Braves get J. Upton. As for Simmons for Upton tough call. If Ahmed could be ready by next year and is a better hitter than Janish, trade Simmons for Upton and get by with Janish at No. 8 spor until Ahmed is ready. No to Choo. No more Scott Boras clients.
December 4th, 20124:16 am
mace224, you are what’s wrong with the world today.
December 4th, 20124:21 am
Is it spring training yet?
December 4th, 20124:23 am
Looking forward to learning more about Upton.
December 4th, 20124:58 am
We are not getting Upton during the winter meetings. However, we may be able to swing a trade in July providing that Ahmed continues to shine this season making him more palatable to DBacks.
December 4th, 20125:30 am
Wren is a great believer in sabermetrics when it comes to signing free agents. Cases in point:
2012 Major League RC27 rank: Uggla 90
December 4th, 20125:53 am
I don’t understand why Simmons is viewed as so untouchable. He did ok in very little experience, and if we could trade him for proven talent we should. The braves always think they have some young great talent and they flame out, francoeur hanson, and then we are left with nothing. Trade him while he has value and we can get a real player out of it. The braves always seem to be managing for next year the last decade and eventually they are going to have to make the move to win now and not the moves we always make for next year. we all see how much winning the move for the future has gotten us.
December 4th, 20126:08 am
Try Ichiro or Justin, or just punt until a better deal is found. Give Juan a chance, give Gattis a chance. Just dont trade just to be trading.
December 4th, 20126:09 am
The best trade for pitching will be Dexter Fowler for Delgado/Teheran. Justin will need too much and Dback really is not desperate for pitching.
German Shepherd Dawg
December 4th, 20126:20 am
Rafael Belliard was the Braves SS in the 1995 World Series. Blauser wasn’t even on the post season roster. So much for your “no glove at short” theory.
December 4th, 20126:35 am
@come on, I am with you. Trade Simmons for J Upton, a prospect or 2 (maybe Terdo plus another low-level prospect) for Dee Gordon, and voila, our lineup is solved. Gordon was the 26th-ranked prospect in all of baseball in 2011, was badly hurt last year. He has the potential to be a great leadoff hitter. 50+ steals potential.
December 4th, 20126:38 am
I’m glad Wren is comfortable. But we have no leadoff hitter. And I’m not comfortable with that.
December 4th, 20126:45 am
Jerry, if Dan Uggla was a FA, why did we have to send Omar Infante to the Marlins?
December 4th, 20126:48 am
L-O-R-E-N-Z-O C-A-I-N !
December 4th, 20126:49 am
I believe I read that the Rockies wanted Minor for Fowler and DOB just said the Braves are not interested in trading Minor. So I am not sure the Dexter Fowler for Delgado/Teheran deal would suffice.
December 4th, 20127:14 am
“This was easy to do in 5 minutes so the argument isn’t true.”
Nashville, thanks. Can’t believe these guys advocating giving up perhaps a franchise SS while they obsess over LF. The Braves don’t have a God-given right to just find an all-star LF in the FA market. Giving away a bunch of talent to fill a hole elewhere just might not net out a positive for the club. But it appears many are enamored by the idea of having brother in the outfield.
December 4th, 20127:20 am
You’re ridiculous if you are considering trading Simmons – for anyone. As for Fowler, defensively, he’s one of the worst (if not the worst) CF in baseball. And again, look at his home/road splits. No thanks.
Given prices/trade demands, I’m good with going to ST with what we have now. Give the guys we have a chance to shine. Unless trade or contract demands come down, it’s just not worth it to overpay. And if Justin Upton is such a special player, why is Arizona so willing to trade him?
December 4th, 20127:23 am
Brandon@3:06-good post. Of course any blogger/fan is entitled to their opinion here, after all it is a blog, but some of the comments about Simmons are off base. “He did ok”, “he will be a .250 hitter” and even referencing a particular error he made in one game. If the real MLB evaluators of talent (yes,including FW and his band of cronies) believe they have seen attributes in Simmons that may make he a special player, then I am on board. After all, some of you guys are wetting your pants to get Upton- and guess who the other team covets to give up this 25 yo phenom?- yes, none other than A. Simmons. What does that tell you guys? Seems like other teams believe value him highly as well. A speedly SS who hits for average with some power while playing superb D is much harder to find than a LF. That is generally where you put the guy that can hit but has no real defensive position.
We have a guy like that in Gattis who just might tear it up in the majors. Francisco might be a very good option at third, keeping the excellent fielding Prado in left. We have options. I would like to see another big signing/trade to plug the one hole before ST, but not at the expense of gutting the farm or trading a key position player or one of the proven young SP. My two cents.
December 4th, 20127:37 am
Most teams have perpetual weaknesses in their lineups. The Braves are no different. In its current state the team will be competitive. Don’t understand this expectation that the Braves should give up talent at almost any cost in exchange for another outfield position player.
December 4th, 20127:44 am
DO NOT GIVE UP ANDRELTON SIMMONS !
HE’S A KEEPER !
December 4th, 20127:54 am
WOW! Some of you guys need to show some patience! It’s ONLY day 2 of the winter meetings. Prado is more valuable to the Braves playing 3rd than LF. Third is a premium position that Prado can easily handle. Just ask the Yankees how valuable a good 3rd sacker will be. Going into spring training, the Bravos will need to find a hot hitting athlete to play LF. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a platoon out there.
December 4th, 20128:03 am
Oh, and Simmons is a special player. Anyone that doesn’t recognize that, well your eyes are lying to you. He can bat lead off. He’ll probably steal 20+ bases and have close to 40 doubles. Batting lead off is over rated anyway. How often does the “lead off hitter” lead off an inning anyway? Bourn had a great 1st half last year, but he stunk up the joint in the 2nd half. It didn’t really hurt the offense over all.
bring back blauser
December 4th, 20128:08 am
German Shepherd Dawg……Blauser was on the post season roster on 95 team…….he was the starter, Belliard usually came in around the 7th inning for defense
December 4th, 20128:29 am
Quick thoughts -
- Ichiro on a 2 year, $14 million dollar deal would be perfect. You get a (still decent) leadoff hitter and a LF. He is a leader in the clubhouse… plus, you still have a few million to play with!
- Wonder what the market is looking like for Ryan Dempster?
- Shin-Soo Choo is a good player, but a free agent at the end of the year. I wouldn’t deal with a Boras client
- If Anibal Sanchez gets anywhere near the $70 million experts are predicting he gets, some team is TOTALLY desperate to spend money.
- I think I’d rather have Minor over Medlen long-term
December 4th, 20128:31 am
AND the dumbasses are still here
December 4th, 20128:35 am
Simmons as has been stated repeatedly is NOT GOING TO BE TRADED!!!
Jose Contamza is a 4th outfielder there is a damn good reason he is a lifetime journeyman.
Evan Garrison has played one damn year in the OF.bsheesh at the sheer stupidity here!
December 4th, 20128:36 am
Klaus…… Ok let’s do this your way. You confined it to the last 5 WS.
2008 Philadelphia – Rollins – Test fails here
2009 New York Yankees – Derek Jeter – Test also fails here
2010 San Francisco Giants – Edgar Renteria – Test also fails here you even mentioned him by name. 3rd WS for him. He was MVP in this series and almost won it in 1997 when he drove in the winning run for the Marlins in game 7.
2011 St. Louis Cardinals – Rafeal Furcal – Test Also fails here. You mentioned him by name too. The above 4 SS’s are all multi year All-Stars played very solid defense and are plus offensive performers at their position.
2012 San Francisco Giants – Brandon Crawford – have to give you this one as he’s a light hitter and still unproven. Played solid defense when it counted most and had a few clutch hits in the post season but I agree your test is good on him.
Overall 4 of the last 5 years as you suggested don’t stand up though as you have All-Star SS on the winning teams. As you look back and count all the teams that PLAYED in the WS win or lose there are far more teams with All-Star SS’s than not.
I understand why some people think trading Simmons for Upton is a good move. I’m not one of them because the network TV announcers outside of our Atlanta guys all say a player as talented as Simmons doesn’t come along very often. Some of the metrics point to him setting records for most runs saved and those count as much as runs driven in. Hard to argue that if Andruw Jones made a highlight reel catch with 2 outs and the bases loaded that he didn’t save 2 or even 3 runs often because with 2 outs the runners are off with the ball in play.
If Simmons were merely Paul Janish the D-Backs wouldn’t be insisting on him in return for a player who was the #1 Prospect in all of baseball just a few years ago. Upton was considered by almost every scout to be a can’t miss superstar like Heyward, Harper and Trout. The D-Backs wouldn’t trade that kind of chip for Simmons unless they think he’s that special.
Also you test doesn’t include that Elvis Andrus played in two of the last 5 series for Texas and he’s doesn’t pass the test either.
December 4th, 20128:37 am
The promoting of Rick Slate to Strength and Conditioning director for the major leagues as well as minor leagues is a good sign for the Braves. During the Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones era the Braves have been one of the most out of shape teams in the league. The rash of muscle pulls up and down the lineup every year was a sign of that. I don’t blame Cox so much because he had to adopt a uniforn policy for all his players. That means if Chipper did not want to do the strength and conditioning workouts everyday then he could not require his other players to do it either. Chipper was a natural. He could sit in a dear stand all winter on his behind and not see a baseball until the first day of spring training and be able to hit a 99 mph fast ball 3 out of 4 times each day. So he really did not need the conditioning to do what he did best, hit the baseball therefore he did not think he needed it and did not do it. Only when at 39 and after knee surgery did he work the entire winter to get into great shape for the upcoming season, did he break that pattern. He was a great player but not a leader, so when guys like McCann did the same thing the team was overall not in great baseball shape. Great players who are blessed with great shils that come naturally have a hard time seeing that everyone else does not have that same ability. I remember the first comments Chipper said to the press about Fredi’s first Spring Training was that he(Chipper) wanted to see if he(Fredi) ran a tight ship on making the team do all the conditioning other teams did or would he be loose like Cox. When Fredi assured he would be like Cox then Chipper gave his verbal blessing to the press that Fredi would be a good manager. If Slate can devise a strength and conditioning program for the major league team, then guys like McCann and Francisco will be in better shape the whole season and as a team, we will see a lot fewer OBLIQUE injuries during the season.
December 4th, 20128:47 am
ijudgenot…….. agree that conditioning is key.. I think it also plays into why the Braves have been so fatigued at the end of the last several years and possibly why the Braves didn’t play better in more postseason when they had their long run of division titles.. Most years they had the division wrapped up two weeks before the season ended and could coast so the fatigue might not have been as exposed those years. just a thought. but being in better condition all season can’t do anything but help.
Good Grief Charlie Brown
December 4th, 20128:51 am
@HAL: wow…just…wow. you should call the cleaners to see if your ’sheets’ are ready (and i don’t mean Ben).
we haven’t seen a full season of simmons yet. let’s at least give him a chance before we make him ‘trade bait’. besides, i still cringe every time i see andrus and the rangers on tv.
December 4th, 20128:52 am
Have far they fall. Has anyone noticed that Ryan Dempster, who rejected a trade to Atlanta last season, has very few suitors? Has anyone noticed that the Braves aren’t one of the suitors? Dempster would likely welcome a contract offer from Atlanta at this point- which isn’t happening!
December 4th, 20128:53 am
why trade Simmons for a player that a) has a attitude problem and adding him to the roster with his brother who also has a attitude an will ruin any chemistry for the team. b) a key defensive player at a crucial position that can hit and possible provide 20 home runs c) a player that is young and hungry compared to a player with the attitude of “been there done that”
no, never trade Simmons for Upton, not in any deal for Justin Upton, not even up……be patient, the right deal will come along once a team finds that what they are dangling is not worth what they are asking, and will then be ready to really make a deal
December 4th, 20129:01 am
Just play Prado in LF, Francisco at 3B.
Holt the cash for a “kicker” before the deadline.
December 4th, 20129:06 am
Boy the new S&C coach will have his work cut out for him trying to keep Francisco and Mac off the buffet line . . .
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December 4th, 20129:08 am
Can’t you guys see what Frank is doing here? He is baiting the other GMs and holding out to see who gets antsy to make a deal. At some point one of them will back off on their trade demands and Frank will get the player he wants for less than the current asking price. Frank is a good negotiator. Throw out the bait and wait for a nibble. No way he gives up Simmons. If he does not get a deal now, I vote for waiting for spring training. One or more starting pitchers will get injured next year – it always happens. Then we will be glad that we have both Delgado and Tehran.
They won a WS with Blauser at SS and not one since then. Ruminate on that for a minute. Jeff Blauser was the SS 17 long years ago when you last won a WS.
That would be an interesting fact if it was true. Alas, Blauser was not on the World Series roster due to injury. We won the World Series with Rafael Belliard at short.
December 4th, 20129:10 am
personally I think Justin Upton would not help the Braves, but instead would be a detrement to the team go sign Ichiro, someone that can spark the team
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Braves need a left-hitting outfielder who can lead-off in front of Prado.
One word: ICHIRO
December 4th, 20129:13 am
We don’t want upton. We already signed his brother. I’m guessing this might be awkward with both sharing the outfield. Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year. We played well last year without chipper, better than past years, so the need isn’t completely warranted.
December 4th, 20129:22 am
Triple-A outfielder Todd Cunningham…tell us something about him. I have never heard of him.
December 4th, 20129:23 am
Not to mention that Blauser was a pretty darn good shortstop in his prime. Nothing overly special defensively, but solid If you think back on that time operiod (91-96ish), in the NL, there was Barry Larkin, and that was about it….and even he stayed injured half the time. So Blauser was just about one of the best SS options in the NL.
December 4th, 20129:27 am
Few teams go into ST With a proven ML player at every position, let alone an above average player. The Braves are set @ every position except LF and 5th SP, with 3 excellent prospects fighting for that role in ST, keeping the spot warm for Beachy. It’s not like the Braves don’t have options even if they don’t land a premium LFer this winter. I would like to see what Francisco and Gattis can bring to the table with some extended playing time. Few teams can have stars at all positions. Being a middle market club we need to continually plug young, inexpensive players at various positions and hope a few turn into stars. In several years it’s doubtful we can sign Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Prado, Kimbrel, Medlen, Minor, Beachy etc-assuming they perform as expected. So signing additional expensive free agents may not be the best fiscal policy unless they feel the current team is a legitimate WS contender, in which case all bets are off, go for it now. That is the art of GMs dealing. Go for it all now, plan for the next few years or try to continually field a competitive team.
I would not like to see Simmons traded. I am not a scout and have not played professional ball, but I have been an avid fan of the game for decades and the guy is a wizard at short. Few rookies really excite me but he is one.
December 4th, 20129:28 am
To everyone on this blog saying Wren should have traded JJ and Hanson while they still had value…..
How do you trade a pitcher that is leading the league in ERA and has record like 8-3 before the All-Star break and is in consideration to start the All-Star game? Do you trade them then when you don’t have the pitching on hand to replace them so you guarantee yourself a rebuilding year and give up on the season when you’re in play for at least a WC? Another team is not going to trade you pitching for pitching unless it’s a young arm that several years from being major league ready.
Or do you trade them after the All-Star break when they have an injury and are on the DL and never really return to form? Just what Crystal Ball was Wren supposed to possess to get the timing of those trades right? If he had traded Hanson early in his career with the Braves for Peavy as he had the opportunity to and then Peavy proceeds to get hurt like he did and goes on the DL this blog would have asked for Wrens head and certainly his job. But you still say in retrospect he should have traded him when in hindsight the BEST opportunity Wren had to trade Hanson was for Peavy. When we first traded for JJ from Detroit many thought he was so good it was Doyle Alexander for Smoltz all over again. Then he got hurt and his injuries seemed minor enough to not kill his career. Smoltz came back from several surgeries and had a HOF career. How was Wren to know that seemingly minor injuries would turn out to linger and take JJ’s career away when so many other pitchers have surgery and return to better than before performance?
Let’s let the man who has put a 94 win team on the field with a tight budget do his job. This is a storied franchise with tons of success compared to most of the league. If Chipper makes one routine play in the WC game and we turn 2 we could be talking about a team that played deep into the post season. Medlen was cruising before then and that’s a play Chipper has made hundreds of times but I guess that was Wrens fault too?
Get a grip folks there are lot’s of teams that would love to be in Wrens position to have several home grown budding stars Heward, Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Delgado, Teheran and Prado too and have done it all on a budget.
December 4th, 20129:29 am
“Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year.”
What are you talking about? His career splits do not show that. He actually has played better overall post AS break.
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December 4th, 20129:30 am
I think its funny that people are convinced that Justin Upton is the answer to all our problems.
A Simmons is going to be a year in and year out gold glove SS. He will end up with somewhere around 10 to 20 HR’s a season with a respectable OBP. Heck even looking at WAR’s Simmons 2.8+ in 49 games compared to J.Up 2.1 in 150 games?
As stated above, if a serviceable LF isn’t found for the right price then Prado has more than proved he is above replacement level player there. Along with the fact we have Fransisco and I would bet Ahmed would move to 3rd to get to the ML.
But comments like “IT WOULD BE HUGE! BRING J-UP TO A-TOWN! We want the best chance to win a world series in 2013, no later!!!” are just stupid.
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