Teheran, Delgado available if trade ’significant’

NASHVILLE – The free-agent field thinned some and Braves general manager Frank Wren didn’t seem any closer to acquiring a left fielder after his first 24 hours at the Winter Meetings in Nashville. But he didn’t sound overly concerned.

Braves front-office officials spent Monday morning poring over (again) lists of all outfielders in every organization who could play left field and preferably bat leadoff, then narrowing it down to players realistically available.

The list was not extensive, and Wren said those remaining free agents who fit the description ranked below trade options for various reasons. That included price in some cases.

For example, the Braves have interest in free agent Shane Victorino, but not as long as the 31-year-old is asking for a contract as big as the four-year, $40 million deal that San Francisco re-signed Angel Pagan to on Monday. Pagan was another free-agent targeted by the Braves.

Wren didn’t name any specific trade possibilities remaining on the Braves’ board, but they’ve inquired about Arizona’s Justin Upton, Colorado’s Dexter Fowler, Cleveland’s Shin-Soo Choo and Kansas City’s Alex Gordon, among others. So far, the asking price for each was too high, either because it was too many young players or specific ones the Braves aren’t going to part with.

At or near the top of that list is shortstop Andrelton Simmons, a splendid defensive player who hit .289 with a .751 OPS in 49 games for the Braves as a 22-year-old rookie. Arizona wanted Simmons as part of a trade for Upton, and Atlanta wouldn’t — and won’t — do it.

“I don’t think anybody is untouchable, but I think he would be…” Wren said, pausing for the right adjective, “unreachable. Because he plays one of those skill positions in the middle of the diamond much better than your average bear. He’s a special player.

“The other thing is, we’ve seen him grow so much in the last two years, from the time we drafted him to rushing through the minor leagues and winning a batting title at the A-ball level. He just continues to get better and better. We may be just scratching the surface of how good he can be.”

The Braves took care of their top priority last week by signing center fielder B.J. Upton (Justin’s older brother) to a five-year, $75.25 million contract, and Wren said they’re working to round out their bench, with offers on the table to some players. They hope to re-sign free agent Reed Johnson, a superb pinch-hitter and fourth outfielder.

As for a starting left fielder, Wren was asked if he’d be comfortable going to spring training without acquiring another impact performer.

“Yeah,” he said. “Would I be satisfied? No. But I think I would be fairly comfortable. Because I think we’re in a position where we’re starting to have some options internally that are at least interesting for us, and would be fun to watch in spring training, see how they develop. So if we did nothing in that regard … I think there’s some interesting things that could develop from our own organization.”

Slugging minor league catcher-turned-outfielder Evan Gattis has emerged as potential option for left field, though he’s still learning the outfield after only making the move last season at Double-A Mississippi.

Wren also mentioned outfielder Jose Constanza and third baseman Juan Francisco as players who could get a crack at the lineup this spring if the Braves don’t add a left fielder, and Triple-A outfielder Todd Cunningham might also get a look.

Francisco could split time at third with versatile Martin Prado, who would move back and forth between left and third in that scenario. If the Braves acquire a new left fielder, the plan is to have Prado be the regular third baseman.

While the Braves aren’t interested in trading young starting pitchers Kris Medlen or Mike Minor, prospects Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado could be available.

“But] if we’re going to trade one of those guys it’s going to be a significant deal,” Wren said. “And I don’t know if that’s going to happen or not.”

Delgado and Teheran are currently penciled in as candidates for the fifth-starter job. The Braves traded starting pitcher Tommy Hanson on Friday for hard-throwing Angels setup man Jordan Walden, clearing a rotation spot for one of the Braves prospects.

Wren said ideally Teheran and Delgado will be around to compete for that spot, “But I think we have more than just those guys. I think we have [left-handed prospect Sean] Gilmartin and [lefty Daniel] Rodriguez who are quality guys we feel comfortable with.”

Braves promote strength coach

The Braves promoted Rick Slate to a newly created position as director of strength and conditioning for the entire organization, after seeing the results he had in his first year working with their minor leaguers in 2012. Slate has worked in baseball for more than 20 years, including eight years as strength and conditioning coordinator for the Mets and nine with the Marlin.

‘He’ll oversee all our strength and conditioning throughout the organization, from top to bottom,” said Wren, Florida’s assistant GM in the 1990s for much of the time Slate worked for the Marlins. “He’s obviously well qualified. Very passionate, and he did a terrific job for us in his first year with us. We’d like to have a top-to-bottom, consistent program. And so he’s going to oversee that.”

Phil Falco continues as the strength and conditioning coach for the major league Braves. Falco will be with the team home and road, while Slate will also work with the Braves at home and travel to minor league affiliates when the big-league team is on the road.

Auction for good cause

As part of Major League Baseball’s charity auction to benefit Stand Up To Cancer (SU2C), the Braves put together three packages including a Home Run Special that features three home-run balls, one each signed by franchise legends Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones and Dale Murphy.

The Braves are also offering an All-Star Meet-and-Greet package with four tickets, four pregame passes and a parking pass to any 2013 Atlanta Braves game except Opening Day, along with a chance to meet and have pictures taken with the buyer’s choice of either Craig Kimbrel, Tim Hudson or Brian McCann.

There also is a package including four one-day “park hopper” passes to Disney World and four tickets to a Braves spring training game at Lake Buena Vista, Fla., along with a chance to meet and have pictures taken with manager Fredi Gonzalez and players.

The live auction began Monday on MLB.com and runs through 11:59 p.m. Thursday, with packages offered by every team.

381 comments Add your comment

Chase

December 3rd, 2012
10:46 pm

atl29fan

December 3rd, 2012
10:48 pm

DOB, what would it take to get Choo from Cleveland?

Affirmative Action Is Waffle House

December 3rd, 2012
10:48 pm

The best trade target at this point is Shin Shoo Choo. High OBP, some speed and pop and defense. An all around player.

Eric B

December 3rd, 2012
10:52 pm

Well its not sounding very promising, already “pumping” up the “interal” options rhetoric.

mike

December 3rd, 2012
10:54 pm

Shin Shoo Choo would be awesome if the Braves can get a deal on him…

Wilson

December 3rd, 2012
10:56 pm

2013 Contract Status: 3rd-Year Arb Eligible (details) [*]
Service Time (01/2013): 5.119, Arb Eligible: 2013, Free Agent: 2014 [*], Agents: Scott Boras, previously: Alan Nero [*]

JT Heidrich

December 3rd, 2012
10:59 pm

DOB, whats the chance we actually do land the younger upton without parting with simmons…..or even chase headley for 3rd?

Wilson

December 3rd, 2012
10:59 pm

Shin Shoo Choo would be a Boras one year wonder. Trade away prospects to get him and lose him too. No thanks

Mike Lewis

December 3rd, 2012
11:00 pm

If Minnesota needed pitching so bad, why didn’t we have a great chance to get Span before he went to the Nationals?

Benji Blogspot

December 3rd, 2012
11:02 pm

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STEELY DAN MAN

December 3rd, 2012
11:02 pm

Gattis is starting to become intriging ….. And what’s up w/ Bourn …… could it be possible Boras misread the market as far as his client is concern …… I would love to have him back …. But Boras makes that almost impossible.

Benji Blogspot

December 3rd, 2012
11:05 pm

My bad, switching blogs two quickly. Please disregard or delete.

Benji Blogspot

December 3rd, 2012
11:05 pm

My bad, switching blogs two quickly. Please disregard or delete.

JHarber

December 3rd, 2012
11:05 pm

Did anyone believe Wren could swing a deal at the meetings that served a good purpose? He does not have the savvy. In my opinion.

Chop Chop

December 3rd, 2012
11:05 pm

Gattis can’t field. Klaw says so. I believe that guy.

STEELY DAN MAN

December 3rd, 2012
11:14 pm

WTH …. THIS DONE TURNED TO THE COUNTRY MUSIC REVIEW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson

December 3rd, 2012
11:15 pm

KLaw said Minor Could not pitch. KLaw has never seen Gattis field unless he caught a plane to South America. Maybe he is a Klesko fielder. I will take that if he hits

dylan

December 3rd, 2012
11:17 pm

gattis may not be able to field, but the kid can flat out rake. in LF, you don;t have to be a plus defender, just ask ludwick, manny, braun, willingham (sorry DOB ;) ), morse, bay, etc.

hopefully wren blows our mind and nabs stanton ;)

BravesFanInNashville

December 3rd, 2012
11:18 pm

well it’s almost inevitable that the Braves are either going to have to spend money or prospects to get a player of value. Who else would another team want besides our coveted pitchers. Of course the discussion will include Teheran, Delgado and if they have a good enough player to offer Minor and Medlen. I cringe at the thought of trading Medlen or Minor and I think it would take Stanton from Florida to make that happen but if Florida would do it I think we should trade Medlen or Minor for him and him only.

Martin

December 3rd, 2012
11:20 pm

Typical Frank Wren…Geez, c’mon you have to give up something good to get something good in return and in this case sure Andrelton has a bright future, but I can only make a case for him defensively, albeit the error he had in the wild card game, rookie nerve racks, i get it. But after 49 games what security can you have that he’s gonna be a good hitter? It’s not like were going to give him up for an old guy, we would be getting a 25 year old in Justin Upton that is definitely way better than his brother BJ, not only that, but both brothers will bring the best out of one another. We don’t have to have great defense, serviceable defense would be acceptable at shortstop with Paul Janish, and it’s better than serviceable, we witnessed that this past season when he filled that spot after injury to Simmons. Serviceable defense with the good pitching the Braves have should be enough because with that lineup if Justin is in it? It’s a dangerous lineup for any team that goes up against it, and it should keep us in arguable comparisons to washington’s lineup..Frank Wren, give us the fans something to go crazy over, and it would definitely help the braves market attendance wise and TV ratings, who wouldn’t want to see that tremendous lineup, outfield with two brothers playing together? IT WOULD BE HUGE! BRING J-UP TO A-TOWN! We want the best chance to win a world series in 2013, no later!!! you guys have tried every experiment since our last division win maybe even longer, Mr. Wren, give Braves fans what other team’s fans enjoy and that is something to give us to cheer about, this a historic franchise with a big following, I’m a huge fan from california, I’ve seen the Braves play since the early TBS superstation days, we deserve it!!! I’m tired of seeing us have to settle for what we have when can be much better… PLEASE BRING JUSTIN UPTON THE BRAVES!

jmart1951

December 3rd, 2012
11:24 pm

Prado is one of the best left fielders in the National League. With him out there the Braves defense is only marginally less than last year’s great defensive outfield (Bourne better defensively than Upton).
Why mess with left field?
Get a third baseman or give a chance to Fransisco. I personally believe that Fransisco has the ability to surprise all of you non believers.
Also I believe that Simmons or Prado could lead off as well as any left fielder that FW is able to sign or obtain in trade.
If it were up to me I would try to strengthen an already strong starting staff through free agency or trade. Here only talking about a premier pitcher, not a middle to lower end of the order pitcher.
If money is left over try and find a third baseman that rakes left handers. Gives some insurance in case Fransisco flops or continues to have difficulty hitting left handers. Still, I believe that Fransisco is going to be a complete ballplayer.

collegeballfan

December 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

Would Arizona bite on Teheran or Delgado for Upton?

O'Ventbrel

December 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

If KC cant get a current front-line starter for Gordon, then Teheran certainly falls into that potential front-line category. He looks like he has started to come into his own over the last two years, strong OBP, but perhaps not a leadoff hitter. I have seen some mixed feelings about him on this board tho.

Chris

December 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

I’d take Fowler over Choo. They’d probably have to give up more to get him though.

PDOG

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm

Give the young guys a chance unless you can get Upton for a package of Ahmed, Terd, and one of the young pitchers or Mahlom. I would include Mejia if they wanted him also.

VinceVanGo

December 3rd, 2012
11:37 pm

With Hanson gone I think the Braves need to hang onto the rest of their starting pitchers, too many things can go wrong in spring training or during the season. Besides Maholm & Hudson may be gone after one more year. I’d be OK if Wren doesn’t get another outfielder during the Winter Meetings and let Gattis & Constanza see what they can do in spring training & see if they might make a good LF platoon. Get a couple of reasonably priced players that will produce for the bench and head to spring training. Just because there’s a little money in the cookie jar you don’t have to spend it all at once. If a need arises in spring training there would be a little cash to meet the need.

Klaus

December 3rd, 2012
11:42 pm

Well said Martin.

Let’s hope Wren recalls Braves history. They never won a WS with Furcal in his prime at SS.

Renteria won them nothing. Escobar in his amazing first 18mos also zippo.

They won a WS with Blauser at SS and not one since then. Ruminate on that for a minute. Jeff Blauser was the SS 17 long years ago when you last won a WS.

Special SS create special stats and web gems for ESPN but they don’t win WS or put an entire team on their back unless they are Ozzie Smith, Jeter or Arod in their primes. Is Simmons already in that company or on that trajectory?

Two years ago Wren said the same things about JJ and Hanson. Look what happened.

Both could have netted the Braves a kings ransom but instead one was released for nothing and the other traded for a pen arm they really dont need.

Sure I would love to keep Simmons but lets not go nuts. He would have to become Jeter or Arod to pass up the opportunity Wren has with an Upton OF along with Heyward in RF.

Again Wren – review Braves history. For as long as you and JS have put human bookmarks in LF or INF in LF you have won a total of zero rings, zero.

For fun – Name the last 5 SS of the WS winners without using Google or ESPN. Then check their stats.

OF and corner INF win rings, SS & 2B provide defense and if you are lucky a little offense.

JHarber

December 3rd, 2012
11:46 pm

Klaus—–First post i have seen with true logic. Thank you

Seattle Braves

December 3rd, 2012
11:46 pm

J. Upton has got to be the target out of the guys listed. Shoo from Cleveland no thanks, Boras will have him out on the next train out from Atlanta. Fowler maybe. I would trade Teh or Del for any of the guys listed, except for J. Upton.

Im trying to say is: Trade for Upton and do not get rid of Simmons. Teh or Del and maybe Ahmed or gilmartin could bring J UP’s to ATL.

BravesFanInNashville

December 4th, 2012
12:02 am

Klaus…. not entirely true..

Jeter has won 5 WS.
Renteria 2 with the 1997 Marlins and the 2010 Giants. Was WS MVP. Also played in 2004 WS Cardinals Vs Boston
Furcal with the 2011 Cardinals
Rollins won with the 2008 Phillies
Also Elvis Andrus played in 2 WS
Tulowitski Played in one

So of the past 17 WS the above All-Star SS played in 13 of them. There are far few WS teams that had a no name SS than an All-Star.

This was easy to do in 5 minutes so the argument isn’t true.

kingdaddy

December 4th, 2012
12:05 am

I see no reason to trade away Simmons. We don’t have to make a trade at all cost. We covered our CF and we could tweek what we have, but why not look into the future while we are setting this team. Gattis is in our plans, so don’t sell the farm for a temp. Get good value that can be retraded in future and work from within. I like Prado/Johnson in Left and Prado/Fransisco at 3rd. We don’t have to concentrate on Left field…look at 3rd too…loots of options avalible…

Eric B

December 4th, 2012
12:12 am

Id still set my sights a little lower and aim for Lorenzo Cain, we def have the prospects to acquire him.

BravesFanInNashville

December 4th, 2012
12:13 am

A great SS is very important unless you have a shutdown rotation like the Braves had with Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz and those kind of rotations come along exactly once. So until we have that kind of pitching that has a combined ERA of 2.50 we need some offense as well as stellar D from our SS. I can’t believe how many people here think Simmons is so replaceable. In my opinion he is far from that.

SportyNuts

December 4th, 2012
12:21 am

Yeah, Simmons is the Braves’ SS, end of story.

Klaus

December 4th, 2012
12:26 am

I also said the last 5 WS “winners” so just played in or from the 90s is not part of the test.

Look at the names and tell me which SS was THE reason they won apart from Jeter (Rollings maybe). The Rockies had one freak season with Tulo and since then purgatory.

No way we can compare to Simmons to Jeter after 180 at bats.

So the test stands.

Bob the Blogger

December 4th, 2012
12:26 am

Plan A should be to get a stud left fielder at a reasonable cost. However, I’d rather see the Braves give Francisco or Constanza/Reed a shot than give up a future starter for something less than ideal. Remember the Giants won the WS with Gregor Blanco in LF, who couldn’t stay in the majors until the Giants gave him a chance. If those guys don’t cut it, and Gattis isn’t ready, then they can make a trade in mid-season.

Klaus

December 4th, 2012
12:37 am

Thanks JHarber.

Look I would like to keep Simmons but Ahmed has great skills (ridiculous speed for one, as in bury Bourn in a foot race) as well and is not far away (from being ready) given he is a college player.

You lead Ahmed, you sweeten the deal with arms etc but if the Dbacks are about to pull the trigger with another team and putting in Simmons means you can hang onto more pitching you have to pause versus cover your ears and sing.

If you think Simmons is the next Arod or Jeter fine but most SS are not those guys and most have a short window where they have a high impact.

Rollins is an afterthought and Tulo is now more known for his ridiculous contract versus his performance.

OF “win” WS SS provide defense apart from a few If .

Again just playing in a series is nice, winning it is what the goal should be.

We will have to gut more pitching if we keep Simmons. If we do that then Simmons better be all that people think he is after 49 games.

SportyNuts

December 4th, 2012
12:40 am

I’m not sure I understand your argument… most World Championships aren’t decided by the play of a single player.

bravo-n-knoxville

December 4th, 2012
12:47 am

Shin-Soo Choo…162 game average stat line of: 90-R..38-2B..4-3B..19-HR..86-RBI..21-SB…370+-OBP..847-OPS..he has averaged a 3.85 WAR since 2008!!! All this for 1 season at $7.5 million (projected arb$$$)..and the Tribe could settle for J.T.Graham, Avery Moore or Aaron Northcraft, and Cunningham or Pastornicky.

If you want to win now, get Choo even though he more than likely leaves, you can offer him arbitration after next season securing at least a sandwich pick or a 3.85 WAR for $13.5 million in Choo in case he wanted to continue to win with the Braves. This guy has never competed for a wildcard, let alone a divisional crown. We never know…he could end up loving it here? He could leave, but at least we gave it a great opportunity by rolling the dice.

SportyNuts

December 4th, 2012
12:51 am

It’s J.R. Graham and Navery Moore. Graham should be off limits, as we just drafted him.

LAC

December 4th, 2012
12:59 am

Can we waive Chicken wren ??? Improvement by subtraction !!!!!!!!

Voice

December 4th, 2012
1:07 am

Things could be better. Bourn was replaced by Upton whose stats resemble those of Uggla and the lineup remains about the same except for the major loss of Chipper. Look for the GM to find an outfielder who used to be pretty good and is a candidate for rehabilitation. Maybe the Braves will get lucky.

Martin

December 4th, 2012
1:15 am

Does Paul Janish not have above average defense??? Simmons will be like an Alex Gonzalez w/ speed…I don’t think he’ll hit all that great..I bet on it

Brett

December 4th, 2012
1:22 am

I know its probaly a hell no, but, could a miracle happen and we get bourn back, and slide bj to left. SAY IT DID HAPPEN… would you be happy with it? I know its unlikely, but what if…

fordcobra

December 4th, 2012
1:42 am

Chase Headley is my choice. Need a production 3rd baseman to replace a production 3rd baseman

Dav

December 4th, 2012
1:44 am

Braves still have trade options if the want to give up one of the young pitchers. Gordon, Willingham and maybe Upton if we add Ahmed and another player. My guess the Braves will try to sign Reed Johnson and another bench player this week and wait to see how the spring goes with Gattis before the season starts. B.J. Upton added both the righthand bat and CF spot so we could go without making another major move unless its to our favor.

Martin

December 4th, 2012
1:51 am

How about a 3 team deal? Dodgers get Gilmartin and Pastornicky, D’Backs Get Teheran, Dee Gordon and Braves get Upton

Chris

December 4th, 2012
1:57 am

Martin- I agree. I think the Braves are overvaluing Simmons right now. Watching him hit, his swing has a few holes. The braves are hoping that he can become a Martin Prado and hit .300 with a little more speed and great defense. But in reality, he’s going to give you a .250 average, decent speed, and great defense.

lifelongbravesfan

December 4th, 2012
1:58 am

Delgado has to be the strangest pro pitcher I have ever seen. He can dominate in AAA but cannot pitch at the next level. He should go (along with Venters)

Brandon

December 4th, 2012
3:06 am

@Klaus – one player does not decide the outcome of the world series. I feel like you are really “reaching” to try to prove why the braves don’t need simmons. I was in awe every time I saw the range of simmons and how many balls he saved up the middle, and I don’t know any current shortstop with that kind of range and energy that simmons brings on defense.

Its funny how you can bring up hanson and jj to validate your point of wren waiting too long to trade…but you fail to mention kimbrel, heyward, or freeman(success stories). You win some and you lose some…and considering that hanson and jj faced injuries, it is something that can be understandable.

@Chris – what makes you believe simmons will only be a .250 hitter?

mace224

December 4th, 2012
3:23 am

Get Upton, Fowler, and Bourn. Keep Freeman as the token white guy.

No. 1 Braves Fan

December 4th, 2012
3:52 am

Maybe today will be the day that something happens. If not, I believe nothing of signifcance will happen in Nashville. I am in the group that would like to see the Braves get J. Upton. As for Simmons for Upton tough call. If Ahmed could be ready by next year and is a better hitter than Janish, trade Simmons for Upton and get by with Janish at No. 8 spor until Ahmed is ready. No to Choo. No more Scott Boras clients.

Infinite Poo

December 4th, 2012
4:16 am

mace224, you are what’s wrong with the world today.

Runnin

December 4th, 2012
4:21 am

Thanks, DOB!

Is it spring training yet?

Runnin

December 4th, 2012
4:23 am

Looking forward to learning more about Upton.

Kwajbraves

December 4th, 2012
4:58 am

We are not getting Upton during the winter meetings. However, we may be able to swing a trade in July providing that Ahmed continues to shine this season making him more palatable to DBacks.

jerry

December 4th, 2012
5:30 am

Wren is a great believer in sabermetrics when it comes to signing free agents. Cases in point:

2012 Major League RC27 rank: Uggla 90
Upton 104

come on

December 4th, 2012
5:53 am

I don’t understand why Simmons is viewed as so untouchable. He did ok in very little experience, and if we could trade him for proven talent we should. The braves always think they have some young great talent and they flame out, francoeur hanson, and then we are left with nothing. Trade him while he has value and we can get a real player out of it. The braves always seem to be managing for next year the last decade and eventually they are going to have to make the move to win now and not the moves we always make for next year. we all see how much winning the move for the future has gotten us.

dap01

December 4th, 2012
6:08 am

Try Ichiro or Justin, or just punt until a better deal is found. Give Juan a chance, give Gattis a chance. Just dont trade just to be trading.

Richard Nieh

December 4th, 2012
6:09 am

The best trade for pitching will be Dexter Fowler for Delgado/Teheran. Justin will need too much and Dback really is not desperate for pitching.

German Shepherd Dawg

December 4th, 2012
6:20 am

Klaus,

Rafael Belliard was the Braves SS in the 1995 World Series. Blauser wasn’t even on the post season roster. So much for your “no glove at short” theory.

MikeY

December 4th, 2012
6:35 am

@come on, I am with you. Trade Simmons for J Upton, a prospect or 2 (maybe Terdo plus another low-level prospect) for Dee Gordon, and voila, our lineup is solved. Gordon was the 26th-ranked prospect in all of baseball in 2011, was badly hurt last year. He has the potential to be a great leadoff hitter. 50+ steals potential.

space monkey

December 4th, 2012
6:38 am

I’m glad Wren is comfortable. But we have no leadoff hitter. And I’m not comfortable with that.

Swede

December 4th, 2012
6:45 am

Jerry, if Dan Uggla was a FA, why did we have to send Omar Infante to the Marlins?

cornjolio

December 4th, 2012
6:48 am

L-O-R-E-N-Z-O C-A-I-N !

yeah c'mon

December 4th, 2012
6:49 am

I believe I read that the Rockies wanted Minor for Fowler and DOB just said the Braves are not interested in trading Minor. So I am not sure the Dexter Fowler for Delgado/Teheran deal would suffice.

Mr Pitts

December 4th, 2012
7:14 am

“This was easy to do in 5 minutes so the argument isn’t true.”

Nashville, thanks. Can’t believe these guys advocating giving up perhaps a franchise SS while they obsess over LF. The Braves don’t have a God-given right to just find an all-star LF in the FA market. Giving away a bunch of talent to fill a hole elewhere just might not net out a positive for the club. But it appears many are enamored by the idea of having brother in the outfield.

JNick

December 4th, 2012
7:20 am

You’re ridiculous if you are considering trading Simmons – for anyone. As for Fowler, defensively, he’s one of the worst (if not the worst) CF in baseball. And again, look at his home/road splits. No thanks.
Given prices/trade demands, I’m good with going to ST with what we have now. Give the guys we have a chance to shine. Unless trade or contract demands come down, it’s just not worth it to overpay. And if Justin Upton is such a special player, why is Arizona so willing to trade him?

longtimefan

December 4th, 2012
7:23 am

Brandon@3:06-good post. Of course any blogger/fan is entitled to their opinion here, after all it is a blog, but some of the comments about Simmons are off base. “He did ok”, “he will be a .250 hitter” and even referencing a particular error he made in one game. If the real MLB evaluators of talent (yes,including FW and his band of cronies) believe they have seen attributes in Simmons that may make he a special player, then I am on board. After all, some of you guys are wetting your pants to get Upton- and guess who the other team covets to give up this 25 yo phenom?- yes, none other than A. Simmons. What does that tell you guys? Seems like other teams believe value him highly as well. A speedly SS who hits for average with some power while playing superb D is much harder to find than a LF. That is generally where you put the guy that can hit but has no real defensive position.
We have a guy like that in Gattis who just might tear it up in the majors. Francisco might be a very good option at third, keeping the excellent fielding Prado in left. We have options. I would like to see another big signing/trade to plug the one hole before ST, but not at the expense of gutting the farm or trading a key position player or one of the proven young SP. My two cents.

Mr Pitts

December 4th, 2012
7:37 am

Most teams have perpetual weaknesses in their lineups. The Braves are no different. In its current state the team will be competitive. Don’t understand this expectation that the Braves should give up talent at almost any cost in exchange for another outfield position player.

Braves' Nation

December 4th, 2012
7:44 am

DO NOT GIVE UP ANDRELTON SIMMONS !

HE’S A KEEPER !

ppaddy123

December 4th, 2012
7:54 am

WOW! Some of you guys need to show some patience! It’s ONLY day 2 of the winter meetings. Prado is more valuable to the Braves playing 3rd than LF. Third is a premium position that Prado can easily handle. Just ask the Yankees how valuable a good 3rd sacker will be. Going into spring training, the Bravos will need to find a hot hitting athlete to play LF. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a platoon out there.

ppaddy123

December 4th, 2012
8:03 am

Oh, and Simmons is a special player. Anyone that doesn’t recognize that, well your eyes are lying to you. He can bat lead off. He’ll probably steal 20+ bases and have close to 40 doubles. Batting lead off is over rated anyway. How often does the “lead off hitter” lead off an inning anyway? Bourn had a great 1st half last year, but he stunk up the joint in the 2nd half. It didn’t really hurt the offense over all.

bring back blauser

December 4th, 2012
8:08 am

German Shepherd Dawg……Blauser was on the post season roster on 95 team…….he was the starter, Belliard usually came in around the 7th inning for defense

Samurai Squirrel

December 4th, 2012
8:29 am

Quick thoughts -

- Ichiro on a 2 year, $14 million dollar deal would be perfect. You get a (still decent) leadoff hitter and a LF. He is a leader in the clubhouse… plus, you still have a few million to play with!

- Wonder what the market is looking like for Ryan Dempster?

- Shin-Soo Choo is a good player, but a free agent at the end of the year. I wouldn’t deal with a Boras client

- If Anibal Sanchez gets anywhere near the $70 million experts are predicting he gets, some team is TOTALLY desperate to spend money.

- I think I’d rather have Minor over Medlen long-term

joebrave

December 4th, 2012
8:31 am

AND the dumbasses are still here

joebrave

December 4th, 2012
8:35 am

Simmons as has been stated repeatedly is NOT GOING TO BE TRADED!!!
Jose Contamza is a 4th outfielder there is a damn good reason he is a lifetime journeyman.
Evan Garrison has played one damn year in the OF.bsheesh at the sheer stupidity here!

BravesFanInNashville

December 4th, 2012
8:36 am

Klaus…… Ok let’s do this your way. You confined it to the last 5 WS.

2008 Philadelphia – Rollins – Test fails here
2009 New York Yankees – Derek Jeter – Test also fails here
2010 San Francisco Giants – Edgar Renteria – Test also fails here you even mentioned him by name. 3rd WS for him. He was MVP in this series and almost won it in 1997 when he drove in the winning run for the Marlins in game 7.
2011 St. Louis Cardinals – Rafeal Furcal – Test Also fails here. You mentioned him by name too. The above 4 SS’s are all multi year All-Stars played very solid defense and are plus offensive performers at their position.
2012 San Francisco Giants – Brandon Crawford – have to give you this one as he’s a light hitter and still unproven. Played solid defense when it counted most and had a few clutch hits in the post season but I agree your test is good on him.

Overall 4 of the last 5 years as you suggested don’t stand up though as you have All-Star SS on the winning teams. As you look back and count all the teams that PLAYED in the WS win or lose there are far more teams with All-Star SS’s than not.

I understand why some people think trading Simmons for Upton is a good move. I’m not one of them because the network TV announcers outside of our Atlanta guys all say a player as talented as Simmons doesn’t come along very often. Some of the metrics point to him setting records for most runs saved and those count as much as runs driven in. Hard to argue that if Andruw Jones made a highlight reel catch with 2 outs and the bases loaded that he didn’t save 2 or even 3 runs often because with 2 outs the runners are off with the ball in play.

If Simmons were merely Paul Janish the D-Backs wouldn’t be insisting on him in return for a player who was the #1 Prospect in all of baseball just a few years ago. Upton was considered by almost every scout to be a can’t miss superstar like Heyward, Harper and Trout. The D-Backs wouldn’t trade that kind of chip for Simmons unless they think he’s that special.

Also you test doesn’t include that Elvis Andrus played in two of the last 5 series for Texas and he’s doesn’t pass the test either.

ijudgenot

December 4th, 2012
8:37 am

The promoting of Rick Slate to Strength and Conditioning director for the major leagues as well as minor leagues is a good sign for the Braves. During the Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones era the Braves have been one of the most out of shape teams in the league. The rash of muscle pulls up and down the lineup every year was a sign of that. I don’t blame Cox so much because he had to adopt a uniforn policy for all his players. That means if Chipper did not want to do the strength and conditioning workouts everyday then he could not require his other players to do it either. Chipper was a natural. He could sit in a dear stand all winter on his behind and not see a baseball until the first day of spring training and be able to hit a 99 mph fast ball 3 out of 4 times each day. So he really did not need the conditioning to do what he did best, hit the baseball therefore he did not think he needed it and did not do it. Only when at 39 and after knee surgery did he work the entire winter to get into great shape for the upcoming season, did he break that pattern. He was a great player but not a leader, so when guys like McCann did the same thing the team was overall not in great baseball shape. Great players who are blessed with great shils that come naturally have a hard time seeing that everyone else does not have that same ability. I remember the first comments Chipper said to the press about Fredi’s first Spring Training was that he(Chipper) wanted to see if he(Fredi) ran a tight ship on making the team do all the conditioning other teams did or would he be loose like Cox. When Fredi assured he would be like Cox then Chipper gave his verbal blessing to the press that Fredi would be a good manager. If Slate can devise a strength and conditioning program for the major league team, then guys like McCann and Francisco will be in better shape the whole season and as a team, we will see a lot fewer OBLIQUE injuries during the season.

BravesFanInNashville

December 4th, 2012
8:47 am

ijudgenot…….. agree that conditioning is key.. I think it also plays into why the Braves have been so fatigued at the end of the last several years and possibly why the Braves didn’t play better in more postseason when they had their long run of division titles.. Most years they had the division wrapped up two weeks before the season ended and could coast so the fatigue might not have been as exposed those years. just a thought. but being in better condition all season can’t do anything but help.

Good Grief Charlie Brown

December 4th, 2012
8:51 am

@HAL: wow…just…wow. you should call the cleaners to see if your ’sheets’ are ready (and i don’t mean Ben).

we haven’t seen a full season of simmons yet. let’s at least give him a chance before we make him ‘trade bait’. besides, i still cringe every time i see andrus and the rangers on tv. ;-)

TeheranTime

December 4th, 2012
8:52 am

Have far they fall. Has anyone noticed that Ryan Dempster, who rejected a trade to Atlanta last season, has very few suitors? Has anyone noticed that the Braves aren’t one of the suitors? Dempster would likely welcome a contract offer from Atlanta at this point- which isn’t happening!

bring back blauser

December 4th, 2012
8:53 am

why trade Simmons for a player that a) has a attitude problem and adding him to the roster with his brother who also has a attitude an will ruin any chemistry for the team. b) a key defensive player at a crucial position that can hit and possible provide 20 home runs c) a player that is young and hungry compared to a player with the attitude of “been there done that”
no, never trade Simmons for Upton, not in any deal for Justin Upton, not even up……be patient, the right deal will come along once a team finds that what they are dangling is not worth what they are asking, and will then be ready to really make a deal

Joey

December 4th, 2012
9:01 am

Just play Prado in LF, Francisco at 3B.

Holt the cash for a “kicker” before the deadline.

Go Bravos!

Joey

December 4th, 2012
9:06 am

Boy the new S&C coach will have his work cut out for him trying to keep Francisco and Mac off the buffet line . . .

Joey

December 4th, 2012
9:06 am

Boy the new S&C coach will have his work cut out for him trying to keep Francisco and Mac off the buffet line . . .

Otis Nixon's catch

December 4th, 2012
9:08 am

Can’t you guys see what Frank is doing here? He is baiting the other GMs and holding out to see who gets antsy to make a deal. At some point one of them will back off on their trade demands and Frank will get the player he wants for less than the current asking price. Frank is a good negotiator. Throw out the bait and wait for a nibble. No way he gives up Simmons. If he does not get a deal now, I vote for waiting for spring training. One or more starting pitchers will get injured next year – it always happens. Then we will be glad that we have both Delgado and Tehran.

Larvell Blanks

December 4th, 2012
9:08 am

They won a WS with Blauser at SS and not one since then. Ruminate on that for a minute. Jeff Blauser was the SS 17 long years ago when you last won a WS.

That would be an interesting fact if it was true. Alas, Blauser was not on the World Series roster due to injury. We won the World Series with Rafael Belliard at short.

bring back blauser

December 4th, 2012
9:10 am

personally I think Justin Upton would not help the Braves, but instead would be a detrement to the team go sign Ichiro, someone that can spark the team

Biff Pocoroba Fan Club President

December 4th, 2012
9:10 am

Braves need a left-hitting outfielder who can lead-off in front of Prado.
One word: ICHIRO

John, ducktown

December 4th, 2012
9:13 am

We don’t want upton. We already signed his brother. I’m guessing this might be awkward with both sharing the outfield. Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year. We played well last year without chipper, better than past years, so the need isn’t completely warranted.

John, ducktown

December 4th, 2012
9:13 am

We don’t want upton. We already signed his brother. I’m guessing this might be awkward with both sharing the outfield. Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year. We played well last year without chipper, better than past years, so the need isn’t completely warranted.

John, ducktown

December 4th, 2012
9:13 am

We don’t want upton. We already signed his brother. I’m guessing this might be awkward with both sharing the outfield. Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year. We played well last year without chipper, better than past years, so the need isn’t completely warranted.

John, ducktown

December 4th, 2012
9:13 am

We don’t want upton. We already signed his brother. I’m guessing this might be awkward with both sharing the outfield. Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year. We played well last year without chipper, better than past years, so the need isn’t completely warranted.

Ted M

December 4th, 2012
9:22 am

Triple-A outfielder Todd Cunningham…tell us something about him. I have never heard of him.

Carroll

December 4th, 2012
9:23 am

Not to mention that Blauser was a pretty darn good shortstop in his prime. Nothing overly special defensively, but solid If you think back on that time operiod (91-96ish), in the NL, there was Barry Larkin, and that was about it….and even he stayed injured half the time. So Blauser was just about one of the best SS options in the NL.

longtimefan

December 4th, 2012
9:27 am

Few teams go into ST With a proven ML player at every position, let alone an above average player. The Braves are set @ every position except LF and 5th SP, with 3 excellent prospects fighting for that role in ST, keeping the spot warm for Beachy. It’s not like the Braves don’t have options even if they don’t land a premium LFer this winter. I would like to see what Francisco and Gattis can bring to the table with some extended playing time. Few teams can have stars at all positions. Being a middle market club we need to continually plug young, inexpensive players at various positions and hope a few turn into stars. In several years it’s doubtful we can sign Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Prado, Kimbrel, Medlen, Minor, Beachy etc-assuming they perform as expected. So signing additional expensive free agents may not be the best fiscal policy unless they feel the current team is a legitimate WS contender, in which case all bets are off, go for it now. That is the art of GMs dealing. Go for it all now, plan for the next few years or try to continually field a competitive team.
I would not like to see Simmons traded. I am not a scout and have not played professional ball, but I have been an avid fan of the game for decades and the guy is a wizard at short. Few rookies really excite me but he is one.

BravesFanInNashville

December 4th, 2012
9:28 am

To everyone on this blog saying Wren should have traded JJ and Hanson while they still had value…..
Hmmmm…

How do you trade a pitcher that is leading the league in ERA and has record like 8-3 before the All-Star break and is in consideration to start the All-Star game? Do you trade them then when you don’t have the pitching on hand to replace them so you guarantee yourself a rebuilding year and give up on the season when you’re in play for at least a WC? Another team is not going to trade you pitching for pitching unless it’s a young arm that several years from being major league ready.

Or do you trade them after the All-Star break when they have an injury and are on the DL and never really return to form? Just what Crystal Ball was Wren supposed to possess to get the timing of those trades right? If he had traded Hanson early in his career with the Braves for Peavy as he had the opportunity to and then Peavy proceeds to get hurt like he did and goes on the DL this blog would have asked for Wrens head and certainly his job. But you still say in retrospect he should have traded him when in hindsight the BEST opportunity Wren had to trade Hanson was for Peavy. When we first traded for JJ from Detroit many thought he was so good it was Doyle Alexander for Smoltz all over again. Then he got hurt and his injuries seemed minor enough to not kill his career. Smoltz came back from several surgeries and had a HOF career. How was Wren to know that seemingly minor injuries would turn out to linger and take JJ’s career away when so many other pitchers have surgery and return to better than before performance?

Let’s let the man who has put a 94 win team on the field with a tight budget do his job. This is a storied franchise with tons of success compared to most of the league. If Chipper makes one routine play in the WC game and we turn 2 we could be talking about a team that played deep into the post season. Medlen was cruising before then and that’s a play Chipper has made hundreds of times but I guess that was Wrens fault too?

Get a grip folks there are lot’s of teams that would love to be in Wrens position to have several home grown budding stars Heward, Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Delgado, Teheran and Prado too and have done it all on a budget.

Go Braves..

Rick C

December 4th, 2012
9:29 am

“Choo is not a good option either. We’d love him until mid June, which is when he normally takes his annual nose dive for the rest of the year.”

What are you talking about? His career splits do not show that. He actually has played better overall post AS break.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

December 4th, 2012
9:30 am

I think its funny that people are convinced that Justin Upton is the answer to all our problems.

A Simmons is going to be a year in and year out gold glove SS. He will end up with somewhere around 10 to 20 HR’s a season with a respectable OBP. Heck even looking at WAR’s Simmons 2.8+ in 49 games compared to J.Up 2.1 in 150 games?

As stated above, if a serviceable LF isn’t found for the right price then Prado has more than proved he is above replacement level player there. Along with the fact we have Fransisco and I would bet Ahmed would move to 3rd to get to the ML.

But comments like “IT WOULD BE HUGE! BRING J-UP TO A-TOWN! We want the best chance to win a world series in 2013, no later!!!” are just stupid.

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