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David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2012
9:09 am
So Braves get nothing for Jurrgens ? Could have signed him and packaged him in a trade. — Lose Hoosier
Yes, and if no team wanted to trade for a guy with a nearly $6 million salary (what it would have been through arbitration) and an ERA of about 5 over the past 1-1/2 seasons, then the Braves would’ve been stuck with that salary this season and been criticized here on an hourly basis for not cutting ties to Jurrjens after his terrible performance last season.
Itchy For Ichiro
December 3rd, 2012
9:17 am
Wouldn’t be a bad idea signing Ichiro for 1 year. He is ideal leadoff hitter & plays great defense. He will also draw fans to games.
tradem or playem
December 3rd, 2012
9:18 am
Trade Teheran,Gilmartin and Walden/or Avilan for Wil Myers………that way we still have Delgado for the 5th starter(until Beachy is ready and after Maholm walks after 2013 season) and KC gets guys they can hold on to for 4-5 years.If they(KC) don’t go for that then they are fricking crazy!Myers is good but he is no Trout.Myers would also give the Brave’s 2 outfielders under 24 and would team with Freeman,Heyward and Simmons as the Brave’s up and coming stars.
David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2012
9:20 am
DOB: I’m suprized that Jose Constanza isn’t mentioned by the Braves as a lead off and left field option. Are the Braves down on him for some reason? — sam
I’m surprised by those who are surprised a 28-yr-old with a .672 career OPS (.598 last season) and 2 HRs in 205 career plate appearances wouldn’t be getting consideration for the LF job.
Looney Tuned
December 3rd, 2012
9:21 am
True. Ichiro will draw many Chinese fans & flies to the games in July heat.
Looney Tuned
December 3rd, 2012
9:22 am
I think the blogger had Constanza wink at him at a game or something ? Anyway, Constanza is an older Jordan Schafer.
Looney Tuned
December 3rd, 2012
9:25 am
Lots of AL pitchers with 5.00+ era’s. Could have traded Jurrgens to an AL team ?
reckingball
December 3rd, 2012
9:54 am
Trade Jurrgens? That’s funny.
reckingball
December 3rd, 2012
9:54 am
Trade Jurrgens? That’s funny.
Kashi
December 3rd, 2012
9:54 am
Do we really need a LF? We have Jordon Schaffer, Constanza, and Gattis available after mid-season. Are we that desperate to give up our young prospects? Unless it is Justin Upton.
reckingball
December 3rd, 2012
9:54 am
Trade Jurrgens? That’s funny.
jim
December 3rd, 2012
9:55 am
I would much rather spend the 10 million dollars (this year) on extending Heyward and Prado long term than adding more future payroll on a player that will limit the Braves’ moves on retaining their core talent in the near future. The pitching depth is not nearly so deep as many posters here seem to suggest. Looking at the starting pitchers in the system over 2013-2014.
1. Medlen — has never pitched more than 130 innings. Can he be an ace who can pitch 200 innings? If so, and if he is anything close to the guy we saw this year, then his salary grows immensely. He becomes a 100 million dollar pitcher if he is truly Meddog. How long will he stay a Brave, and at what cost?
2. Hudson — 38 years old and on last year of contract. Will he still be close to the same pitcher in 2013? If so can the Braves afford to give a new contract close to market value for a 39 year old pitcher when they have to start locking up the young talent?
3. Minor — is he the guy we saw for the last two months? Can he hold up for 180 or so innings of work?
4. Maholm — in last year of contract. Braves cannot likely afford to keep him. Could be trade bait at midseason when Beachy returns
5. Delgado — has shown a lot of promise. Will it translate into performance? If so, this is a top of rotation starter (number 2 or 3 guy on this team)
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6. Teheran — Had a real down year in 2012. Can he get it together in 2013?
7. Beachy — given the history of recovery from Tommy John surgery he will not be back to form until 2014, but then should make a full recovery. Not expecting much this year.
8. Gilmartin — The pick that comes to mind for me here is Derek Lilliquist minus the bat. I don’t think he will be anything more than Jo Jo Reyes in waiting. Luis Atilano is another lefty that comes to mind.
9. Graham — might be a candidate for the 2014 rotation, but still a little early to get a good read on his potential.
10. Spruil = Charlie Morton light?
Others like Wood and Sims are too far down the pipeline to be in the conversation about 2014.
If Maholm and Hudson are gone after next year and Gilmartin is seen to be a AAAA pitcher, then the 2014 rotation becomes
Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Delgado, Teheran/Graham with no comparable starter available in case of injury. If you start making trades from this group to add more salary, then you have neither the payroll flexibility nor the prospects to get an adequate pitcher to fill in the rotation.
jim
December 3rd, 2012
10:06 am
The strength of this team is its bullpen. The fact that there is a lot of flexibility in giving the 7th and 8th inning to a variety of people and even having people available to occasionaly cover the 9th when Kimbrel needs a day off. The deep bullpen is especially important since we might need to limit the innings of the starters for reasons stated above and because we will miss Durbin who became the ilate innings eater last year.
NORRIS CHUCK
December 3rd, 2012
10:15 am
Ichiro is JAPANESE!!!
nc82
December 3rd, 2012
10:17 am
can solve left-field in one suggestion and I can’t believe noone thought of and that is Pastornicky. I mean the guy can run so why not place him along with Upton in CF and Heyward, I think its not a bad idea. Or did what the Red Soxs did to the Dodgers you want Simmons take Uggla off our hands so the D-backs would get Simmons Uggla and Teheran for Upton Pennington and Keon Broxton.
Pastornicky 2nd/Lf if they don’t make the trade
Prado
Freeman 1st
J. Upton LF
Heyward rf
BJ Upton
McCann
Pennington SS
Ted M
December 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
I wouldn’t want Jose Constanza either and they had to let JJ go for nothing. But I’m surprised no one seems to even be looking at JJ now.
chase
December 3rd, 2012
10:22 am
the other UPTON is coming.mark it down…why was he here for BJ’s signing and press conference?…….he’s coming
Curt
December 3rd, 2012
10:25 am
As noted very well by @jim, the Braves need another quality pitcher so I agree on using the budget money on a pitcher. Re-sign Reed Johnson and platoon him with Gattis (and Schafer, if need be). Catch Laird and Bethancort until MaCann gets back (if MaCann gets back) and Gattis can also be as an optional catcher
Don
December 3rd, 2012
10:35 am
The Braves must be the JOKE OF MAJOR LEAGE BASEBALL after signing BJ Upton for 75 million – with a Batting Average BELOW 250, a TERRIBLE On Base Average below .300, and approching 200 STRIKE OUTS.
FAR WORSE, against the best 1/3 of the Pitchers, he has a Batting Average of .168 and NO (ZERO) HOME RUNS.
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
10:42 am
Schafer is a joke…stop the platoon crap.
Constanza and Schafer both need to go…
mark jaffe
December 3rd, 2012
10:52 am
Can someone (preferably DOB) explain how the Braves have 10 million left to spend? Deduct the salaries of Chipper, Bourn, Jurrjens and Lowe from 2012 and Hanson’s projected salary for 2013 and you’re at about 40 million! Add the raises for players currently on the roster – about 10 million – and BJ Upton and you’re at about 25 million. That should leave about 15 million, very close to the 14 million figure that was previously reported.
Kevin
December 3rd, 2012
10:53 am
Yeah~ trade for Choo!!! 3 five tool OF
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
10:59 am
Choo..Boras his agent
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
11:00 am
lol
Rick C
December 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
Doesn’t really matter who Choo’s agent is. He’s not a free agent.
low OBPers
December 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
Victorino – lowest OBP of career at .321, would be > BJ Upton’s .298.
I still think he would work fine. Need a leadoff hitter in front of Prado. Simmons in leadoff is not going to happen – Braves don’t want to have him take a change of getting hurt sliding – this is the great Braves defensive offense they love to play. Much like keeping Johnny Maziel/Aaron Murray in the pocket so he doesn’t get hurt. or produce 1000 yds rushing…I digress.
I like the idea of Ichiro for a short-term deal – 2 yrs max – he can rake, get on base, steal play’s excellent defense and has a great arm.
That would allow us to bring Gattis along nicely and give us a chance to spell him with Constanza and another RH util OF –
DOB – Any word on Reed Johnson’s availability ??
low OBPers
December 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
Victorino – lowest OBP of career at .321, would be > BJ Upton’s .298.
I still think he would work fine. Need a leadoff hitter in front of Prado. Simmons in leadoff is not going to happen – Braves don’t want to have him take a change of getting hurt sliding – this is the great Braves defensive offense they love to play. Much like keeping Johnny Maziel/Aaron Murray in the pocket so he doesn’t get hurt. or produce 1000 yds rushing…I digress.
I like the idea of Ichiro for a short-term deal – 2 yrs max – he can rake, get on base, steal play’s excellent defense and has a great arm.
That would allow us to bring Gattis along nicely and give us a chance to spell him with Constanza and another RH util OF –
DOB – Any word on Reed Johnson’s availability ??
low OBPers
December 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
Victorino – lowest OBP of career at .321, would be > BJ Upton’s .298.
I still think he would work fine. Need a leadoff hitter in front of Prado. Simmons in leadoff is not going to happen – Braves don’t want to have him take a change of getting hurt sliding – this is the great Braves defensive offense they love to play. Much like keeping Johnny Maziel/Aaron Murray in the pocket so he doesn’t get hurt. or produce 1000 yds rushing…I digress.
I like the idea of Ichiro for a short-term deal – 2 yrs max – he can rake, get on base, steal play’s excellent defense and has a great arm.
That would allow us to bring Gattis along nicely and give us a chance to spell Ichiro with Constanza/another RH utility OF –
DOB – Any word on Reed Johnson’s availability ?? Matt Diaz ??
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
11:08 am
It does matter as he will be in a year…but thanks for your option
submariner
December 3rd, 2012
11:09 am
The Braves don’t like to divulge how much $$ they actually have to spend because agents will try to get all of it in negotiations. It’s no different than trying to get a contractor to lay flooring in your house. If you go in and tell the guy you have 10 grand to spend, then he’s going to try to get the job for 10 grand. I like the fact that Wren doesn’t tip his hand to how much he has in the check book when he goes shopping. You get the best job for the best price. I’d like to see them trade for J. Upton and sign Zach Greinke….even if it means giving up Simmons.
low OBPers
December 3rd, 2012
11:14 am
I’m shocked they are down on Constanza too. I thouhgt the end of the steroid era in baseball would signal the return of “small ball” throughout the game.
Braves have always been the last to the party with agressive base-running – how may leadoff guys have career lows in SBs and runs scored when they come to Atlanta ? This approach, I am convinced is why ATL has lost so many clutch 1-run games. Look at SF and STL – they squeeze all of he “baseball”/production out of their players.
Early in 2012 we were realy worknig the count, grinding up starting pitchers, running well, doing some hit and runs – gap hitting, etc. It seems we got away from that a bit late – but it made games more comfortable for the bullpen, since it helped us pick up a run or 2 here and there.
low OBPers
December 3rd, 2012
11:19 am
Did Kawakami leave his interpreter and Mazarati here? I’m sure Ichiro might be interested.
Rick C
December 3rd, 2012
11:22 am
“It does matter as he will be in a year…but thanks for your option”
That doesn’t really matter at this point. They may be able to replace internally by then. There are other players I would go after before Choo, but ignoring a player as a trade possibility simply because of who his agent is is stupid. I guess we should get rid of Bethancourt now then since his agent is Boras?
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JASON
December 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
if it were me and money and players leaving were no object id trade for upton, but since we dont wanna have to give up simmons and or teheran or delgado id sign either shane victorino, andres torres who was non tendered by the mets cody ross or angel pagan…..none of those major league players would cost us anywhere near the haul justin upton would… I wonder what the agent for ryan ludwick would think a reasonable offer would be…and since dee gordon is being shopped why dont we make a play for him and put him at 3rd so we can leave prado in left field
JASON
December 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
if it were me and money and players leaving were no object id trade for upton, but since we dont wanna have to give up simmons and or teheran or delgado id sign either shane victorino, andres torres who was non tendered by the mets cody ross or angel pagan…..none of those major league players would cost us anywhere near the haul justin upton would… I wonder what the agent for ryan ludwick would think a reasonable offer would be…and since dee gordon is being shopped why dont we make a play for him and put him at 3rd so we can leave prado in left field
JASON
December 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
if it were me and money and players leaving were no object id trade for upton, but since we dont wanna have to give up simmons and or teheran or delgado id sign either shane victorino, andres torres who was non tendered by the mets cody ross or angel pagan…..none of those major league players would cost us anywhere near the haul justin upton would… I wonder what the agent for ryan ludwick would think a reasonable offer would be…and since dee gordon is being shopped why dont we make a play for him and put him at 3rd so we can leave prado in left field
dap01
December 3rd, 2012
11:33 am
The payroll number must be being kept secret because that $10 million figure in inaccurate or we have been mislead by mgmt.
I like the Ichiro possibility. He is vet that fits our needs and will fill in nicely until someone like
Gattis is ready.
Real Talk
December 3rd, 2012
11:40 am
Pastornicky in left as our leadoff hitter…I fell out of my chair laughing on that one!! Braves will try for the next few days to get Justin Upton, but if not Alex Gordon may be the guy or for a surprise it could be Chase Headley. If nothing gets done this week via trade look for it to be Nick Swisher or Cody Ross IMO
JASON BARBER
December 3rd, 2012
11:40 am
if it were me id sign one of shane victorino,cody ross,andres torres cody ross,ryan ludwick or someone like that because they wont cost us near the players or prospects in major league talent that justin upton or josh willingham will…but if money were no object id sign josh hamilton and trade for justin upton..how about offering nick ahmed edward salcedo and sean gilmartin for justin upton trevor bauer and ryan roberts..this trade would give the diamondbacks the major league ready starting shortstop third baseman and starting pitcher they seek plus it would give the braves a potential left fielder lead off hitter and 3rd baseman with right handed power to replace the retired chipper jones
JNick
December 3rd, 2012
11:44 am
…this board is ridiculous…
Real Talk
December 3rd, 2012
11:45 am
@ jason Barber who is the MLB ready SS in that deal?
Brown
December 3rd, 2012
11:45 am
Braves need to pull off something big this offseason to compete with the Nationals. They were already good, they’ve added Denard Span, and they have enough budget to sign Greinke or another FA pitcher.
Sinking feeling. I hope we can nab Upton or Greinke and put our team over the top.
skeeter
December 3rd, 2012
11:45 am
Jurrjens will be lucky if he receives a minor league contract from a team. His mental problems are like Wohlers and Rocker. Braves need to resign Reed Johnson, bat leadoff and play LF. Will the leftover money sign Greinke, suspect Braves are that invisible team everyone is talking about on MLB network.
Rick C
December 3rd, 2012
11:48 am
Jason, neither Ahmed or Salcedo are ML ready. That trade would not be enough to even just get Justin, let alone him and two other players.
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skeeter
December 3rd, 2012
11:54 am
Jurrjens will be lucky if he receives a minor league contract from a team. Braves need to resign Reed Johnson, bat him leadoff and play LF. With the leftover money sign Greinke. Braves are probably the invisible team that everyone is talking about on MLB network. Braves have enough money to sign him. Then Braves could trade one of the top pitching prospects for a leftfielder such as Toronto’s Rajai Davis.
joebrave
December 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm
Dumbasses everywhere
Darrin
December 3rd, 2012
12:13 pm
DOB
Seems like from rumors and yes its rumors the Braves are going to make a big slash this year. What is the odds that the Braves sign Greinke and trade for Upton.
Ted M
December 3rd, 2012
12:16 pm
Don according to MLB Trade Rumors the Phillies offered BJ a full $20 million less on the same # of years. So you might be right. Maybe the Braves have to offer more like w/Lowe for some reason.
Rick C
December 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm
“What is the odds that the Braves sign Greinke and trade for Upton.”
Right now, zero. They don’t have enough money left to pay both of those guys.
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm
This is what I will do for depth:
Sign Grady Sizemore to a minor league deal in the hopes he can become a decent player. Low risk, high reward. If he hits, he can play LF where the toll on his body will be less than in CF.
Sign Rich Harden to a minor league deal for same reasons. If he can stay healthy, can provide depth and also a long reliever.
tim
December 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm
trade for headley, Prado in LF
ATL Insider
December 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm
Grienke is overrated.
Darrin
December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm
Would be very suprised if Justin Upton is not a Atlanta Braves by the end of the week.
Mr Pitts
December 3rd, 2012
12:31 pm
DOBs last 2 posts are no-brainers. Some of the false perceptions from some of you regarding current and/or just released players is so nonsensical that I have to believe you don’t even watch these guys play nor even casually look at meaningful performance statistics. I’m just glad the junk thrown about on these board is all make-believe. Gosh!
raffy
December 3rd, 2012
12:36 pm
DOB Thanks for the blog
I know the Braves don’t know when the 25 million a year more in tv money will be available ( should be in the next 12 months? ) and they are hesitant to spend it but if the Braves pay the players weekly or biweekly , it seems they would want to spend some of it now.
With the Dodgers and most everybody else getting bigger tv deals – the price of players is going to jump up so it makes sense to snap up one or two now using at least part of the 25 mil
Let’s go Bravos!!!
74bravesjersey
December 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm
kinda like mlb network keeps showing the first show over & over, sure can’t rely on for any new rumors.
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm
Folks, PLEASE stop showing up to Braves games. I mean, not like many of you do anyway, but I’m gonna need those of you who do to stop. While seemingly all other teams are increasing payroll, we are stuck in the doldrums of the early 2000’s with ours. The only way we can hope the fatcats at Liberty Media will increase payroll (AHAHAAH!) is if they see a precipitous decline in profits.
So please, dont come to games, dont buy fan gear, dont do a darn thing but sit at home and not watch the games, for the sake of us all.
**I’M NOT FRANK WREN, BUT HE APPROVES THIS MESSAGE**
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
12:41 pm
Trade McCann and Teheran to Texas for Andrus.
Trade Andrus to AZ for Upton.
Sign Greinke.
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
12:44 pm
Faux Frank Wren, you are a moron.
We just made a huge splash signing BJ Upton, even though it wasn’t a very smart signing. We won 94 games last year and have young exciting players all over the field. Go hide under your rock until next college football season, redneck.
Chris White
December 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm
Platoon 3B- Prado/ Francisco
Platoon LF- Prado/ Johnson/ Constanza
Spend the money on Greinke
74bravesjersey
December 3rd, 2012
12:47 pm
@tim; I like Headley;be a cool clutch hitter.Having two tough outs toward the top of the lineup if they have prado leading off, headley hitting second.
BravesFanInNashville
December 3rd, 2012
12:51 pm
Darkcow… Love it if the Rangers would do that but they didn’t want to trade Elvis for Upton so it’s probably a long shot..
Great idea if it works though.
TeheranTime
December 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm
Sniff! Sniff! I smell a couple of surprise moves by Frank Wren. Sniff! Sniff!
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm
@DarkCow You are a…let’s see, how can I say this in a PC manner…”special breed,” aren’t you?
A couple of pages back you said “Also, I noticed that Dee Gordon is available. Wonder if AZ would be interested in him. Maybe we could send Teheran to LA for Gordon…”
First off, HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! LMAO! You have ZERO, NONE, NO, ZILCH credibility if you think Gordon and Teheran have comparable trade value. You are a complete joke for even suggesting something as absurd.
Second, I did nothing but spend money which was freed up from the departures of Chipper and Lowe’s contract, so my point remains. Payroll is not increasing, I’m just using what is now available.
Please be gone, and never heard from again.
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
12:57 pm
@darkcow doing his best JIm Bowden impression with these gems for trade proposals. some of the highlights:
teheran for dee gordon
elvis andrus for justin upton
yes folks, these are 1 for 1 deals LMAO!! now everyone point and laugh
ALJ
December 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm
Faux, if they see a decline in profits they will increase spending? No, if they see a decline profits they will decrease spenging.
JASON BARBER
December 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm
how about we keep simmons and offer the dbacks nick ahmed edward salcedo zeke spruill sean gilmartin and stefan gartrell for justin upton ryan roberts tyrone corbin and trevor bauer and jj putz ..this trade would help both teams,in the diamondbacks case it would give them the major league ready shortstop they seek in nick ahmed the major league starting pitchers they seek in zeke spruill and sean gilmartin and the major league ready third baseman they seek in salcedo..it would help the braves in that it would give them a premier left fielder who can play with his brother, it would also give them two stud pitchers they can slot in in place of jurrjens and hanson and another arm in the bullpen..this would be the perfect trade for both players because everyone’s needs would be met with the players being traded
jim
December 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm
The winter of 2013-2014 should/must play a big part in determining what the Braves do now. The contracts of Hudson, Maholm, and McCann will expire and the young talent and Prado will need to be extended. There won’t be enough payroll flexibility in 2013-2014 if more payroll is added now (Justin Upton). I would much rather hear that the Braves had signed Heyward to a long term deal than hear they made a trade to add more salary in the next few years. They have several in-house options that might be just as good as Willingham/Ross/Ludwick and cost a lot less (Gattis in LF, Prado at 3B), (Prado in LF, Francisco at 3B), (a combination of both), or as someone mentioned earlier, Pastornicky in LF and leading off. In 125 games at A, AA, and Venezuela combined Gattis has hit 27 HRs and has 96 RBIs. with an OPS over 850 (865 in AA, 842 in Ven., 995 in minors combined) The Braves could go with Prado–Pastornicky for a month or two if they wanted to give him time in AAA — to develop as an OF as much as for his offensive development) , but why block a player who could give 20 HRs -80 RBIs as a rookie?
Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm
Leftfield?
I envision a platoon of Matty Diaz and Jordan Schafer.
Either player is quite capable of hitting leadoff
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm
This back and forth is sad so I won’t stoop to your level. But I will say that if AZ were to be interested in Gordon and we traded Teheran for him we would essentially only be giving up Teheran for Upton.
And the HAHAHAHAHAHAHAs and LMFAO just make you sound even more ridiculous.
The internet is ruining humans.
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
1:03 pm
The decline in profits is to send a message that the fatcats at LM cant just sit idly by padding their wallets while fans see no return on their investment throughout the years. It is meant to shock them into action, akin to a strike.
cornjolio
December 3rd, 2012
1:03 pm
jim,
I doubt if McCann is here after 2013; he should be DH’ing in the AL. Bethancourt is being groomed to replace McCann
Mr Pitts
December 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm
“I know the Braves don’t know when the 25 million a year more in tv money will be available ( should be in the next 12 months? )……..”
Gosh, the team is not waiting for a check to be delivered in the mailbox before adding it to the pool of $s. The Braves financial entity has the flexibility to adjust the payroll at the drop of a hat..up or down. Why some of you are chasing down $s from players coming/going and extracting budget changes based on TV deals and, then, waiting to here if they received the check in the mail, well, this kind of simpleton approach to forecasting what they might do or not do….well, it’s very entertaining to say the least.
trust wren
December 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm
I still believe something big coming from Braves. I’d be happy with any of followng–Flower, Willingham, Rajai Davis, Justin Upton–
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
1:09 pm
Darkcow: “But I will say that if AZ were to be interested in Gordon and we traded Teheran for him we would essentially only be giving up Teheran for Upton.”
hahaha stop it, just stop, you’re killing me!! oh boy what a hoot!
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm
maybe Teheran to LA for Gordon, but Ariz will want more than Gordon for Upton, you can bet on that
jim
December 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm
cornjolio,
I don’t think the Braves should resign McCann for 2014 and beyond, but if that money essentially goes to cover the next two years of Justin Upton, there is little flexibility to extend Hudson and Heyward et al. To me the first priority is locking up the people who are here and need to be kept.
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm
Unload Uggla on the first idiot to bite.
Move Prado back to 2nd.
Trade Teheran for Headley.
Sign Victorino. Even though he is quite possibly the biggest tool in MLB. We need a leadoff hitter and there is nothing else out there.
1.Victorino
2.Prado
3.Heyward
4.Headley
5.Freeman
6.Upton
7.Mac
8.Simmons
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm
Unload Uggla on the first idiot to bite.
Move Prado back to 2nd.
Trade Teheran for Headley.
Sign Victorino. Even though he is quite possibly the biggest tool in MLB. We need a leadoff hitter and there is nothing else out there.
1.Victorino
2.Prado
3.Heyward
4.Headley
5.Freeman
6.Upton
7.Mac
8.Simmons
ALJ
December 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm
Faux, you mean like the Marlins?
David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2012
1:16 pm
Unload Uggla on the first idiot to bite.
Move Prado back to 2nd.
Trade Teheran for Headley.... — Darkcow
I’ll stop there, since the first and third parts of your scenario won’t happen. Teheran for Headley? Maybe a year ago. Not today.
ATL Insider
December 3rd, 2012
1:18 pm
Finally, a voice of reason – DOB.
Can you also tell these folks the Braves are not signing Greinke?!?
NORRIS CHUCK
December 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm
Red Sox get Napoli.
Ok, let me ask this…how many catchers do they need?!
What are they up to?
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm
if Braves sign Grienke,it is because Liberty has a buyer and wants these moves made as a contingency to purchase
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:22 pm
Bosox to trade Salty, might be here he is headed
still no regular catcher till McCann returns
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm
Salty not that good…
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm
nope but could fill in til BMac get back, then could be traded away again
David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2012
1:26 pm
Hearing mixed reports on Choo. It being last year of deal and him being a Boras client, Braves don’t want to trade a good pitching prospect for him. Particularly now that Hanson is gone, leaves only Delgado/Teheran for 5th spot.
By the way, Choo’s bad numbers vs. lefties in ‘12 came after he got hit in hand by a lefty. It got in his head and he made mistake of mentioning that, after which lefties starting pounding him inside more, then getting him on pitches away.
jbill
December 3rd, 2012
1:27 pm
ok what u giving up?
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:28 pm
prospects and not high ones
Rick C
December 3rd, 2012
1:28 pm
What’s the point of doing that bring back blauser? Laird will be fine filling in for a month.
ALJ
December 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
I have no idea where the Grienke rumor started. I heard it on the Baseball Network last night, but they did not state where it came from. 1. Starting pitching is far from the top need. 2. He wants over 20 million a year. Probably end up a Dodger.
Faux Frank Wren
December 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
@darkcow
I’ve been looking at this all wrong. Reading your posts, coupled with what they say about laughter, you’ve done me a great service by extending my life by a few years. Heck, if you were on the field you’d probably be good for 3 or 4 WAR.
I owe you an apology. Please continue.
Ralph
December 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
nc82
December 3rd, 2012
10:17 am
can solve left-field in one suggestion and I can’t believe noone thought of and that is Pastornicky.
Pastor can barely throw from the hole to first base, he would be another McClouth in left field.
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
who would back up Laird
dylan
December 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
i would not want j.upton. dudes all flash no substance. hes a middle of the pack hitter who strikes out a ton. for those who don’t want to believe, a .280 avg and 17 hrs? in the dry air of az? id much rather get a chase headley, alex gordon, or in an extreme best case scenario mike stanton.
gordon wouldnt be too difficult to acquire, royals want pitching, braves have plenty, and he’ll be moved soon anyway to make room for wil myers. headley would probably be too expensive in prospects comparative with his talent, so if i have to give up a ton of prospects, id rather it be mike (or giancarlo, whatever hes calling himself) stanton. give teheran, fransisco, ahmed, and either spruill/gilmartin, and that might just be enough to entice the fins. they arent going to be competing anytime soon, and this essentially rebuilds 3 positions for them.
bring back blauser
December 3rd, 2012
1:33 pm
I like the deal dylan, but will the Marlins go for it
Darkcow
December 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm
I wish Wren would get over his obsession with “right handed power hitters”. He obviously hasn’t watched any postseason baseball aside from the Braves’ brief appearances in the past decade. Teams don’t succeed in the playoffs against elite pitching with guys up and down the lineup who K 150 times per year. We need more Prados. Not Ugglas.
We WILL lead the league in Ks this season.
1. ?
2. Prado .303/.345 14HRs
3. Heyward .280/.365 34HRs 37SB 144Ks
4. Uggla .247/.322 22HRs 163Ks
5. Freeman .297/.359 41HRs 148Ks
6. Upton .253/.314 22HRs 33SB 168Ks
7. Mac .267/.353 24HRs
8. Simmons .263/.325 5HRs 130Ks
I’m bored.