7:36 pm December 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 2nd, 20127:42 pm
December 2nd, 20127:43 pm
“After the Braves signed free agent Justin Upton last week…”
December 2nd, 20127:46 pm
I think you meant to say BJ Upton, not Justin Upton in the first paragraph. Freudian slip?
I wish we got Justin Upton. Hope the Braves make a move for their LFer this week.
December 2nd, 20127:47 pm
do not give up Simmons…i would be really happy with Victorino since he used to be a pain in the butt for the Braves when he played for the Phillies…
maybe we can trade for BJ Upton now.
December 2nd, 20127:48 pm
Cant wait to see what this week brings us. DOB you need to ride through Blue Ridge Ga on your way home. My neck of the woods and most beautiful place on earth.
December 2nd, 20127:49 pm
That’s BJ Upton they signed
December 2nd, 20127:50 pm
La yankees have let it be known dee gordan is available. Our new shot stop after we trade simmons for j upton?
Nova Scotia Steve
December 2nd, 20127:51 pm
I’d interested to see what kinda trade Wren is going to pull off – I think we may be done with FA signings.
However, I did predict Victorino would be a Brave. I’ll stick with it.
Voice of Manners
Trade for Shin Soo Choo.
Justin Upton, Here we come
bring back blauser
December 2nd, 20127:52 pm
sign ichiro, he is old, but he is in shape, can hit and speedy
December 2nd, 20127:54 pm
Bench players are not going to be cheap anymore.
I doubt we see both Uptons here — Frank is not gonna give up Simmons and he should not.
Arizona should be asking high — if we had Justin we would want our GM to ask high.
I hope the Braves do better than Coco Crisp.
I hear Juan Pierre may be available.
Great post DOB, but we signed BJ, not Justin (though I like the wishful thinking).
The Braves were without a solid lead off guy between Furcal’s exit and Bourn, so I think we’ll figure out how to have a strong, solid line-up even if the top doesn’t have the textbook lead-off guy.
December 2nd, 20127:55 pm
Juan Pierre signed with Marlins
December 2nd, 20127:59 pm
sign victorino for left field and lead off hitter, then sign Mark DeRosa as a utility man and right handed pinch hitter
December 2nd, 20128:02 pm
I look for something not discussed before, that’s how wren works. Here is what I think :
Andy Dirks for EOF
2.) good bat, bood speed at top of the lineup (LH) – keeps Prado at 2 hole, Simmons 8th … Could switch those two vs lhp. Good on base guy
3.) tigers have a glut of OFs
4.) tigers need bullpen help, we have that
5.) familiar trading partner
December 2nd, 20128:04 pm
Juan Pierre signed with Marlins
lol, Derosa is garbage
December 2nd, 20128:06 pm
DeRosa has been injurd last 2 years, he is back and ready to prove something, can be had cheap
December 2nd, 20128:11 pm
You heard it here first, folks: Mike Minor for Alex Gordon.
December 2nd, 20128:12 pm
Ichiro might be a good short term solution until Gattis is ready. Also, Janis would not be a horrible SS, it Simmons is traded for Justin. I say, get Ichiro and have a vet hitter for a couple of years that won’t break the bank.
I agree. DeRosa will be back ready to prove he can be had cheap (because he’s garbage).
December 2nd, 20128:14 pm
Would like to get Victorino for year or two even though he had a career worst OBP this year. Stil, his career worst OBP is better than the guys we just gave 75 million to for 5 years!
Interesting chatter about Greinke on MLB network. I know it’s a long shot, but I think the Braves are certainly involved in those discussions. Several things would have to happen for the stars to align on Greinke….but I think we are certainly considered a dark horse player.
If Wren is able to dump ugglas contract, trade Malholm (along with his contract) and trade EOF to the tigers for Andy Dirks as I mentioned above in another post….we could create room if Greinke was willing to come down to say 18 per over 5 (long shot, but its been said Greinke likes Atlanta before).
December 2nd, 20128:15 pm
@Hokie Not EOF
December 2nd, 20128:18 pm
The guy filled in nicely last year for the injured Simmons but he hit 200 and ended up being benched just prior to Simmons return because our offense was struggling. Well, guess what, we don’t have Chipper this year so the offense is going to struggle more this year and strikeout even more.
December 2nd, 20128:19 pm
Victorino did pretty well in LA, Philly expected him to pick up the slack for Uttley and Howard while they were out, they kept moving him around the batting order and put a lot of pressure on him. I still think there is still some gas left in that tank in the right situation, and here is the right situation
December 2nd, 20128:21 pm
can’t go back
I like Gordon a lot, but don’t believe I would be willing to part with the pitching it will take to get him. If you could package Gilmartin/Teheran with Gattis and Waldon, then maybe, but the Royals will likely want more.
Wren did well to move Hanson, but don’t want to see Minor or Delgado traded.
some team that needs a shortstop and has decent offense would trade for Janish, the guy can cover some ground out there at shortstop. defensively, when Simmons was out last year, Janish filled in very well and he will be asked for in the right trade
December 2nd, 20128:24 pm
I’m afraid Victorino would be another Quilvio Veras for the Braves. Veras was always such a thorn in the Braves side before they got him, but once he was a Brave, he was run-of-the-mill. I’d much rather see Ross or Willingham, better yet, Justin Upton, but I fear the money isn’t there…
December 2nd, 20128:26 pm
December 2nd, 20128:27 pm
Janish is a better version of Rafael Belliard defensively and just as bad offensively. He can’t hit good enough to stay in the pros on a team that needs any offense out of him. Thats why he was in the ,imors when we got him.
He did a great job defensively. I hope he stays in the organization so if we need him he’ll be there. There is no way he’ll be a bench player for us though becausebench guys have to be able to pinch hit and Hudson hits better than he does.
December 2nd, 20128:29 pm
Just checked on Dirks’s stats in limited MLB action last year…not too bad. With that said, I don’t believe I would part with EOF for him. But if they will take Venters, then yes.
December 2nd, 20128:33 pm
@Hokie Why do we need Grienke? Waste of money.
December 2nd, 20128:35 pm
You might be able to get Dirk’s for someone less than EOF, but he is gonna cost $4 million this year…and we will lose him next year for sure when he rises above that number. With Venters and Avilan much less expensive….EOF makes a lot of sense to move from a depth perspective before you lose him due to $$ for basically nothing next offseason.
so, 10 million to spend on LF and 2 bench spots. i’m imagining we’d like to re-sign reed johnson for certain. that’s probably what? 1.5 to 2 mil for him. then you’ve got another bench spot for 1 million. and you need to have cash for a mid-season trade. so now you’re down to about 5 million to sign a LF? who are we gonna get for that?
December 2nd, 20128:36 pm
I like Victorino for left field – we need another veteran in the clubhouse after losing Ross and Chipper. Hopefully last year was just an off year – plus it would be great to have another right-handed bat against lefties. Lefty-pitching killed us last year.
Guys, Simmons isn’t going anywhere, so you’ll have to dream up another way to get Justin Upton.
December 2nd, 20128:42 pm
I’ll check back after the next move with my take.
So far Wren is has a C for the offseason. D on signing Upon and B on Hansons departure.
@mcgilligan How about a 3 way trade. Get J Upton and keep Simmons They get SS and Teheran
December 2nd, 20128:45 pm
I was mentioning Greinke as a possibility because he would be a true ace, allowing the Braves to “slot” medlen as a true two and Minor/Beachy as your 3/4 going forward in 2014.
If we are able to clear some salary (big IF) with moving Uggla, Malholm and EOF now….and not resigning Hudson or McCann after the 2013 season, we could look like this in 2014 and still have pieces without breaking the prospect bank
2013 – Greinke, Medlen, Minor, Hudon, Delgado/JT (Beachy ready in July)
2014 – Greinke, medlen, minor, Beachy, Delgado
Malholm perhaps gets you a young 3B
JT is insurance in 2013 while Beachy recovers, perhaps nets you another stud bat at trade deadline or in offseason
December 2nd, 20128:52 pm
Virginia Brave Fan
December 2nd, 20128:59 pm
Hokie and others who talk about moving Uggla to free salary, do you really think anyone is interested in trading for him?
December 2nd, 20129:02 pm
@Angel Eyes – 3-way trade could work- I think it might be time to part w/ Tehran or Delgado (one but not both), but I’m not sure who else we could work with, and three-way trades aren’t too common.
@Hokie, I agree we need a true ace – Medlen needs to prove he just wasn’t on a hell of a hot-stretch, and Hudson is getting older, but we don’t have the money to sign Greinke. He’s going to pull a huge pay-day on the FA market and we don’t have enough money to sign him and a LF and bench players. I think we just need to let Medlen develop and wait and see what happens when Beachy returns.
December 2nd, 20129:09 pm
I think they should give constanza a shot for the LF job. He also has the speed to bat leadoff.
No one wants Uggla – including the Braves
December 2nd, 20129:13 pm
Braves should look at Ben Zobrist. He can play OF and his .377 OBP lastyear was very good.
He has a team friendly salary of just over $5 million this year, but next year that jumps up to $7.5 million and the Rays might just be willing to move him. Problem is, they have a ton of pitching as well which is what we would try to give up. Still, it’s worth an effort.
Another rumor is that Cleveland could be interested in moving Shin Soo Choo. He had a .373 OBP and will hit around 20 homers. Cleveland could be a good trade fit as they need young pitching.
But my first pick is still Alex Gordon. The way the rumors are flying, a ’start right now’ kind of guy is what KC wants. I don’t know if the Braves are willing to move him, but Teheran has been a disappointment so far. He is the Homer Bailey of the Braves and we don’t have the spots available to let him figure out how to pitch in the majors. He will continue to dominate AAA, but how are we going to give him the innings to pitch in the majors. The Royals would likely part with Gordon or maybe Moustakas straight up for Teheran.
Braves would be silly to pass that up for ‘potential’ when they are so deep in the rotation. We would still have Hudson, Maholm, Medlen, Minor, and Delgado auditioning while we wait on Beachy to get healthy. If we could get a lock down third baseman for the next 4-5 years for Teheran I think we should pull the trigger.
the scary part is that the Braves front office is dumb enough to trade Medlen as someone else mentioned they are desparate to hold on to Teheran. If they make that move I am out of here. I have had enough of the Braves trading away ‘blue-collar’ players and keeping around ‘prospects’ only to watch them flail and fail. Medlen is a fan favorite and if the Braves are smart enoguhto understand that then I hope the attendance falls to all time lows.
December 2nd, 20129:14 pm
Heck, we may find someone dumb enough to take Uggla with 3 more years of contract. After all, we gave a guy with a lower OBP than Uggs had and even struck out once more 75 million. Although we must remember that we gave him 20 million more than the Phillies were going to.
December 2nd, 20129:18 pm
Oh and for my money I would not mind us not trading for a LF. I have no problem letting Constanza and Schafer battle it out. Schafer started out great for Houston last year until a wrist issue slowed him down, and quite frankly he still has tremendous upside. Constanza is another blue-collar guy that always seems to provide a spark. Either of those guys are fine by me …. IFFFFFFFFFF
we use the money saved to lock down Heyward and Medlen long term.
December 2nd, 20129:20 pm
I wonder what the status on Brett Gardner is
December 2nd, 20129:22 pm
another good left fielder with speed, will Yanks let him go?
I wonder what the status is on Brett Gardner
December 2nd, 20129:23 pm
Wow, sorry about that.
December 2nd, 20129:25 pm
Justin makes 9mm in 2013 and Wren has said he has good payroll flex. He is not going to tell any reporter going into the winter meetings what he can really spend.
Justin checks too many boxes for ATL, BJ likely discussed it with Wren pre contract (and surely mentioned it during the presser) plus Wren has the arms and prospects to do it.
Ahmed is not so far away and looked stellar in the AFL (hint the DBacks play there year round). Package Ahmed with a pitcher, reliever and toss in Cunningham & Gattis it will be worthy of a long chat with the AZ FO.
GMs are playing poker today folks. Nothing they say should be taken at face value.
You must have had a twitch in your clicking finger there
December 2nd, 20129:26 pm
There is something big going on. I think that the Braves are going to be sold soon and they want them to look more attractive.This is who I think the Braves will get, Will Meyers and Zack Greinke. There’s a possibility that McCann or Uggla will be traded. It could happen????
If the Braves are that cash strapped already after freeing up Chipper, Lowe & Bourn money then there’s no way that Brian McCann gets a contract past this year, so why not trade him now and get a couple of good pieces for him. An A.L. team would love to have him as a D.H./part time catcher. And Betancourt is the future and can handle things defensively now and may hit better than we think, plus they have a decent backup to train him for two years. There’s no way McCann comes back after 2013, the Braves have to figure out a way to keep and pay Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Medlin, Beachy, & Minor. Unless Liberty tells Frank Wren to spend what he needs to in order to keep these guys, the Braves are going to have to be penny pinchers until Uggla’s contract comes off the books.
barry–you’ll probably catch hell for saying we should give constanza a shot at the LF job, but the more i look at how little money we have, and the options available for that money, i think a platoon w/constanza could be a good option. or at least an option until he shows he cant do it, and then you find somebody else. you’d have an incredible defensive outfield w/heyward, bj & constanza. and you’d have speed in the leadoff spot. constanza hit around .310 for two seasons in AAA. hit .300 for atlanta in 2011 in 130 at bats. you gotta figure with more at bats, he’d be better than the .250 avg he put up this year. if he hit .280 from the leadoff spot for us, he would be a perfect fit. my only question is can he do it of course. determining that requires playing time and at-bats. no one here would’ve thought gregor blanco could be a starter and he did quite well for the giants.
December 2nd, 20129:27 pm
Here is another LF trade option – Anthony Gose. With Milky now signed in Toronto for LF, this becomes a possibility the Braves could afford in terms of players.
Oh, and I have no problem trading Simmons to the Rangers so they can go get Upton .. but only if we get Andrus back in the deal
Andrus is still only 23 folks and he could bat leadoff for us with his .340+ OBP, which is something I don’t think Simmons is ready to do yet. Granted, his salary will be much higher, but he has proven he is a MLB starter long term. Simmons could be the next Escobar for all we know .. as in a great first few months after he was called up followed by 4 years of below average play with only a brief few runs of solid play.
I love Simmons, but if we could work out a deal with the Rangers for Andrus and maybe Young (with Texas paying most of his salary) for Andrus and a secondary minor league pitcher like Gilmartin we absolutely must think about it.
December 2nd, 20129:29 pm
Good thought Hokie. Could go for Rajai Davis as well. He could lead off, but I don’t see him being any better than Schafer. Might as well save a pitcher and just roll with Constanza and Schafer battling it out.
December 2nd, 20129:32 pm
Darlcow .. regarding Gardner.
Gardner is nigh untouchable right now apparently. Yankees are inking in his favorable salary and letting Swisher walk. He would be a great fit if we could get the Yankees to trade him.
December 2nd, 20129:34 pm
Getting Zack Greinke would be the Frank Wren equivalent to John Shuerholz getting Greg Maddux. It would put the Braves on top for the next 5-7, maybe 10 years.
Then I would package Dan Uggla and whatever it took (except Andy Simmons) including a lot of money toward Uggla’s contract, to San Diego to bring us Chase Headley, and move Martin Prado to second, play the best leftfielder I could find and waltz through the NL East for years.
December 2nd, 20129:40 pm
If Simmons gets traded it will be for Justin not a SS flip with TX. The Braves need a slugging LF due to huge question marks at 2B, C and even in CF at times with BJ.
Funny how people puked on BJ’s signing and now are ready to put an aging Victorino in LF or a platoon of Constanza/Schafer.
Wren needs to sell tix and win games. Very few SS make that happen. An Upton brother’s OF with Heyward as the anchor will do that and more.
Myers would be amazing but expect to lost Medlen or Minor in that package.
Wren has to learn from his shoot the wad on one guy model. It doesn’t work. You need to go that extra mile and keep your foot on the pedal.
Cost now in LF and aim low will result in another excuse filled Oct.
Remove Greinke from your mind. Braves aren’t even looking at him.
We don’t spend like we did in the Maddux era (not only has our payroll shrunk, but other teams are spending much more).
December 2nd, 20129:43 pm
Alex Gordon sounds like a good option, or if you really want to roll the dice, Wil Meyers. Gordon would be safer, but Meyers has the chance to be really great. Gordon is very appealing to me. High OBP, not a power guy, solid defender, hits at a really good clip as well.
I’m liking so far what Wren has done. Regardless of the results, he is being very aggressive and trying to make something happen. Hope BJ works out well for us, and Walden for that matter. But everything next season (not everything, but a lot) is riding on BJ considering his salary.
I think it’s important we get a guy who has a high OBP, good AVG and solid speed. Gordon fits that bill pretty darn well.
Klaus, read my whole post. We only make that trade if they include Young .. who can play third or LF by the way .. and eat most of his contract. Rumors are that the Rangers are willing to do that.
Uggla is more untradebale than Lowe. He won’t have any value until the deadline assuming he hits over .275 versus well under it.
Wren may surprise us but he screwed the pooch on that move.
IF, and that’s likely a huge if, Wren swings a deal for Justin Upton, would we even be able to keep him not only through his current contract, but ink him to a new deal? I would love to see him in Atlanta as much as any other fan would, but I’m not sure it would be worth the prospects we would give up if we can’t keep him for at least 6-8 years.
We still have to make sure we can lock up Heyward, Freeman, Prado, Medlen, Minor, Kimbrel, and eventually Simmons. Add that with the HUGE (unfortunate) contracts we are already commited to and it doesn’t appear to be financially possible.
Would someone with better knowledge of our payroll figure this out, please?
December 2nd, 20129:45 pm
Steve I did and still doesn’t work. AZ wants Simmons and Wren needs a LF. Prado is your 3B with Juan F in the wings should he go down.
Young is over 30 and the Rangers are not worth it even if they take the salary.
Unless you are a Rangers fan the trade is not a good idea.
Man, if we could trade Uggla I would be on board. I like that idea. Chances are we have to eat part of that contract to do it though. Still, if Wren could do it like you suggest I would love that.
December 2nd, 20129:47 pm
I want Ichiro if he doesnt resigned with Yankees, but can he played LF?
December 2nd, 20129:48 pm
klaus–i dont blame wren for signing uggla. i blame uggla for not performing and then not making adjustments to get out of his slumps. but i agree…aint nobody trading for him.
December 2nd, 20129:49 pm
Also, I noticed that Dee Gordon is available. Wonder if AZ would be interested in him. Maybe we could send Teheran to LA for Gordon then package him and Terdo for J Up?
December 2nd, 20129:53 pm
Constanza for LF and roll with that!
I hate the Rangers, but Young has a better OBP over the last three years than most of the knucklehead free agents people are talking about us bringing in. Also if the Rangers pick up most of the salary then it works.
Upton is the wrong answer. We don’t get a SS back in the deal to replace Simmons so we have just opened up one whole trading for another. And he is not cheap by any means and no way Arizona eats part of the contract like Texas might. Granted, Upton is much better, but unless you are ok with Janish or TP at SS then that doesn’t work. I would prefer Andrus/Young at SS/LF than Janish/Upton given the $10 million price difference.
December 2nd, 20129:55 pm
Wren has never completely revealed his plans in any of his previous dealings. But there are always hints as to what he is considering. Something tells me that a deal for Justin Upton will get done, maybe not as soon as we’d all like, but it will get done. Trust me, we the fans aren’t the only one’s tired of coming up short. In a somewhat unrelated topic, I also would like to see the Braves pursue Travis Hafner as Hinske’s replacement. If the Braves choose to not resign him. Hafner has tremendous power when healthy, and is a veteran presence in the clubhouse.
Steve, Rajia Davis is a hell of alot better than Schafer (what has Schafer ever done..Nothing)
Davis was 2nd in AL last year in SB 46..9 hrs and lifetime 270 ba..bats R and plays good D…I said this yesterday..Blue Jays need to move a outfielder…I’m sure Wren knows this.
December 2nd, 20129:57 pm
How about signing Jeff Keppinger. Local guy, plays several positions, and has always hit.
I like your scenarios. Not nmuch on Scafer. Hope Wren surprises us and gets J Upton. I keep hearing he is after a prime time player. WE will see.
December 2nd, 20129:59 pm
wow massive typo.
Young is over 30 and not worth it even if the Rangers take on his salary.
December 2nd, 201210:00 pm
not saying trade for him..its just another option.
December 2nd, 201210:14 pm
Give Gattis the shot and if he doesn’t work out in spring training, then fill the hole through a trade.
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