Braves trade Hanson to Angels, cut ties with Jurrjens

I like this deal.

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Last, cause nobody cares.

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I read about this on another site and i was like why do they need another releiver this now makes sense no go get willingham or pagan or a lf walden was good so we got him eric johanny and kimbell hard to beat

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It’s like Frank Wren is listening to all the bloggers.

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Tells me there is something more in the works.

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Good trade stay tuned folks more to come from mr.Wren..GO BRAVES..

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Shane Victrino !

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yeah and we have pitching remember beachy he coming back and two studs in the minors we needed to get rid of someone i liked tommy but if it gets us another of than im all for it or third baseman but i think prado is going back to third

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Why did they not make the deal w/ the Twins? They could have traded Hanson to the Twins for CF/leadoff hitter Span and slide Upton over to RF. Instead the Nationals now have Span.

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A good deal frees salary and braves get a quality reliever.

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This is a great trade. Now they will go after Angel Pagan or Victorio. They also get a great young RH arm in the pen. Waldon is a stud 32 saves in 2011 and All-Star. Braves can start the year with Delgado or Tearan as the 5th starter than in July or August we will have Beachy.

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Love the trade! Now go get BJ’s little brother!!! The Upton brothers paired with Heyward would give us the best OF in the league. And what better motivation for BJ than to play along side his brother! I think they would push each other and Heyward. It would take a hit on our prospects, but it would be worth it IMO.

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We need a left fielder who doesn’t strike out as much as Uggla and Upton. We have power and now we need someone who can get on base with regularity. OBP is going to be vital for whoever we get this time.

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Dude hello we have a right fielder his name is Jason heyward and i like this move walden is a power righty

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DOB, with this move and Upton’s salary, how much does this give the Braves to pursue a LF?

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Braves will not get Justin Upton. The only player the D-Backs want from the Braves is Andrelton Simmons and the Braves absolutely will not trade him. Forget Upton.

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Braves Fan For Life
November 30th, 2012
1:30 pm

Tells me there is something more in the works.

David O’Brien wrote, second sentence ….It frees up about $4 million to pursue a left fielder, which is the reason for the deal.

I am so glad this bum is gone. Couldn’t stand to watch him pitch with that stupid delivery. Good riddance!

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I’ve been hoping for this for MONTHS! Maybe the Angels will get more than 5 1/3 innings out of Hanson with each start. This guy was overated & it’s about time they dropped the dead weight.

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Shrewd move. Walden has power stuff and should thrive in the NL. This also gives us some funds to improve the offense.

Wren probably learned his lesson from getting burned holding on to Jurrjens last year.

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Here comes Josh Hamilton!!! Hopefully….

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Ya’ll seem to have forgotten that Hanson is a Scott Boras client. The Braves wanted to get something for him before he signs somewhere else after next season. I like the move already…..

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matty b, would you give up a young player that will probably own the gold glove at SS for 10 years for Justin Upton? I wouldn’t

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Ya BJ! I’ll be a Brave in no time!

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165 million for 8 yrs is what i dont think we have 20 million in the bank right now and i dont think we would spend that much on josh for 8 yrs

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I’m glad they found a taker for Hanson.

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adam, Why? It would be a stupid move to trade all of that talent for one guy, especially Simmons. I think we learned our lesson on that with Texeira.

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i wouldn t either but the arizona d backs want a mlb ss that s what their looking for i wouldnt do it either not for justin upton

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@KerryB Your close big things are in the works..Rumor is Braves in talks with 3 clubs and 2 FA,s.we will know by more by sat. evening could be HUGE glad to be a Braves Fan!!

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Braves have that other superstar phenom SS prospect to trade. His name evades my cranium’s where with all at this tenous & precise moment.

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I am fired up. Just talked to Frank and it is either Xavier Nady, Jonny Gomes, or Marlon Byrd to play left field. Gonna be a great year. Also < i just figured out a new fly squat curl so I can work on enlarging my third quad muscle. That will give me even more power. That is really all I need to improve on last season.

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@kerryb…. That’s why it is called negotiations. They want Simmons, but I also think they are ready to move Justin Upton. We have another SS prospect in Ahmed and some top prospect pitching that they might tip the scale. It is a long shot I know, but it is not out of the possibility.

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“It’s like Frank Wren is listening to all the bloggers.”

I’m neutral of the Hanson move, but I really believe Wren is watching these boards and falling for the nitwit stat fest. Weird stuff.

By the way, How many saves above WAR is this new guy? Perhaps somebody could cut and paste a few decades of relief pitching statistics so we can get to the bottom of the WHIPs WARs, OBSs, OPSs.

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Great move, I never like Hanson, he is all arm and will burn out in a few years. Now we need a big bopper bat.

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salty good catcher elvis mlb ss look at the pitcher matt harrison gem and the closer name not coming up he was great to yeah it did i wouldn t do it either i just know they were asking texas for their ss profior how ever u speelll his name i trade them what s his name pasternicky

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I like this move. Now the Braves can invest that $4 million in a conservative money market fund at a guaranteed 2%, for an annual return of $80,000. In ten years, they can turn that original investment into nearly $5 million! Way to go Braves!

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I LIKE IT!

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Great deal! I give Frank Wren a B so far! paid too much for Upton experiment, but put the power back in the lineup. I smell a another free-agent purchase coming our way.

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This is good for Hanson because he grew up in that area and was an Angels fan growing up.

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they want mlb ss tho whicj proficfor and simmons are not a prospect from what i read we will see

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ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick, ryan ludwick,

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Matty b, your posts give me a headache trying to read.

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Would LOVE to have Pagan for 2 years.

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David Wright?

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How much of the Boras effect did this trade have? As in we aren’t gonna pay your inflated future demands!

Love the trade

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Some of these comments seriously make my head hurt…

Stop the the Hampton dreams…please, just stop.

How is this a bad move? The guy has LOST velocity on his fastball and his injuries will only continue to get worse. Have you not seen his throwing motion? The human shoulder/arm is not designed to throw like that. The wear and tear on his shoulder has already taken a huge hit on his velocity.

I think the Braves either sign Victorino (which I don’t think I am thrilled with) or trade for Fowler…

Obviously the other option would be to trade for Upton. There are signs pointing to this, but at the same time, would it be worth trading so many prospects?

I am pretty excited to see what happens. Wren seems to be trying to get everything done as soon as possible…which, as a fan, is awesome!

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kerry – Like I said we are not giving up Simmons. Absolutely no chance. I would easily give up Ahmed, Delgado or Teheran and another top prospect for Justin Upton. We wouldn’t really have a leadoff hitter but we would have a formidable lineup.

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Sounds like a deal! Hope they have no thoughts of letting Simmons go. We will take another Upton and a Victorino, but not for Simmons.

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What about Simmons straight up for J.Upton ? Then let Ahmad & Preacher Pastornicky battle for SS in ST ? What do you bastarditeee GM’s think ?

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Christian, the idea of Hanson being a promising young pitcher ended 2 seasons ago.

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I like this Great move. I agree Wren talking to other clubs. Did you ever consider it might not be a leftfielder? How about 3rd base.

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Let’s keep one thing in mind, DOB had a quote from Wren that was something to the effect of wanting to get younger and more athletic. Signing Hamilton, Swisher or Victorino would not fit this. I think Wren has a deal worked out, or is very close, for a young 3B or LF that maybe we haven’t even thought about. Could be J. Upton, but could be someone else. Either way, when Wren gets rolling, he really rolls!!!!!!

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To all the Tommy bashers – in fairness to him, he was pretty darn good his first two years prior to injury. He also altered his delivery last off season, so it would not surprise me to see him turn things around a little bit and be a serviceable starter, albeit not a top of the rotation guy.

With that said, I could not stand watching him pitch last year. The slowest freakin’ delivery of all time, killed me.

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No victorino. Delgado terhan Ahmed for Juston Upton. Upton bros. an J Hey. Will sell tickets

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Maybe the Braves are thinking about a 3 team trade where the 3rd team trades the SS the D-Backs want and the Braves trade two pitchers one to the 3rd team and one to the D-Backs along with the SS and the Braves get Justin Upton.

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FW is not going to trade Simmons.

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yeah but tex was worth the package upton wouldn’t be and he s overpaid

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If Braves traded Uggla, replaced him with Ahmed and made him the leadoff hitter there would be enough money for Hamilton and they get to keep the pitchers. Don’t forget another 12 million comes off at the end of the year from McCann. Long shot maybe but there were persistent rumors of The Braves being interested in Hamilton and they knew from day one it would cost 20-22 million a year to get him.

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Giancarlo, Giancarlo, GIANCARLO!!!! Get it done, Wren!?!?!?!!!! lol

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and i agree simmons is really good and will be for the next 10 15 yrs and we need a lead off hitter and upton wouldn t fill that simmons could

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Just for the record, didn’t like Upton signing BUT didn’t want to sign Bourn, Hamilton or any other long term-hamstringing contract.

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Decent trade. Hanson arm problems and the fact that we have Delgado and Teheran in the minors makes me feel decent about it. It is a little hard to stomach giving up a guy who has the stuff to be a solid #2 starter on most any team for a middle reliever.

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This is a good move, because it frees up salary to pursue a good leadoff hitter/Left Fielder. It also bolsters our bullpen, which is already really good. Moylan is on his way out and Venters all but disappeared last season, so we got a bit of a salary dump and a replacement for Moylan. Can’t wait to see what Wren does with the extra money!

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Again I say for Pagan and Victorino the Braves already had enough money left to sign them…

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Good chance Walden is not just for clearing cap space, but also a trade component for a team looking for a potential closer.

I feel like a trade or FA signing is eminent this weekend at the GM meetings. Not going to get my hopes up about the Other Upton, but that would be phenomenal. I think we have enough pieces to trade – maybe something like Walden-Teheran-Ahmed would entice an Upton trade?

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It’s either Upton trade with Diamondbacks or deal for Angel Pagan. That is what I think.

If it is Justin Upton that we get, slide either Simmons or Prado into the lead-off spot and both will do a great job for us.

Imagine this line-up:

1. Simmons – SS
2. Prado – 3B
3. Heyward – RF
4. B.J. Upton – CF
5. Freeman – 1B
6. J. Upton – LF (Pagan if not Justin Upton)
7. Uggla -2B
8. Laird – C (McCann when he is healed)
9. Pitcher

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It’s either Upton trade with Diamondbacks or deal for Angel Pagan. That is what I think.

If it is Justin Upton that we get, slide either Simmons or Prado into the lead-off spot and both will do a great job for us.

Imagine this line-up:

1. Simmons – SS
2. Prado – 3B
3. Heyward – RF
4. B.J. Upton – CF
5. Freeman – 1B
6. J. Upton – LF (Pagan if not Justin Upton)
7. Uggla -2B
8. Laird – C (McCann when he is healed)
9. Pitcher

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Ye ol Braves fans shalt not thinkest of thy GM in thast way. Lo, he hast thy knowledge of grandeur. Fall down and bow to ye master. Henceforth thy GM shall seek new ruins to pillage hastily ye ? Let thy souls not be troubled unjustly. Thy LF shall be found and made King of LF.

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David,

So is TH the worst pitcher of the starting five? Who is the Walden guy report say he had a bad back. Is this a equal swap.

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We got a good power arm. We gave up a third starter whose inside numbers were trending in the wrong direction. I say it was a good move

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honestly, this makes no sense whatsoever

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Any chance this $4 Million can go towards resigning Bourne?

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“Why did they not make the deal w/ the Twins? They could have traded Hanson to the Twins for CF/leadoff hitter Span and slide Upton over to RF. Instead the Nationals now have Span.”

DRC – doubt Twins would have made that deal. They got a top prospect who’s younger and doesn’t have Hanson’s injury history.

Solid move by Wren. Hanson was expendable + frees up $, and Walden’s an upgrade over Durbin.

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DOB – are we getting another Upton?

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Me thinks there is another big move coming…

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Love the move. Old women could steal on Hanson. He turned singles and walks into doubles all the time. Brilliant! My only question is what were the Angels thinking?

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I so glads Brave sined Boss Man Upton. He be cute an I will by ticket too sea him play with himself & Braves.

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what were the Angels thinking?

Considering they have unloaded 1 expensive starter to KC and will probably soon unload Haren as well in order to create salary space for Grienke, they need middle to back of the rotation pitching. And Tommy Boy fits that profile.

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Thank Heavens, Now I don’t have to listen to Joe Simpleton rave about Hanson(OOM BOP) anymore!
No get rid of the 3 remaining scrubs(Pastorskanky, Cantstandya, and Uggly)

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Maybe the Angels thought Wren said Hudson, not Hanson. Hopefully they get this deal done before the Angels realize what they’ve done. lol!

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Awesome. I have never liked Hanson or that pitching delivery that anyone could steal bases off of. Now we have enough money to sign Victorino, or trade for a Fowler, Gordon, or different LF’er. Have always thought he was overrated, and very happy to see him gone.

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Hanson was not a #3 anymore and more than likely would have been beaten out next year by Delgado or Teheran.

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WOW, I’m surprised by the people who think this is a “great move”. We traded away a proven #3 starter for a #3 or #4 reliever. I know we need financial flexibility but I have to believe there was a bigger market for a guy like Hanson.
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Hanson’s trade value is virtually nothing. To get rid of his $4 million AND get a solid reliever in return is pretty darn good. And his days of being a #3 starter are looooooong gone.

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COME ON HAMILTON…if we trade Hanson for nothing and get a “leftover” outfielder that will be sad

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We need a 5-tool @3rd or left.
Who’s it gonna be.
No Upton brothers please. Chemistry would go out the window when one bro is doing better than the other. And U know which bro I mean.(the one inAZ)

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Heisenberg, you really don’t think there is a better #3 (back end rotation) starter than Hanson on the market?

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If I were Wren, I’d continue dumping as many Boras clients as possible, and would avoid signing any Boras clients.

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Why couldn’t we get Span ?)or Pagan?

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How about Alex Gordon? Solid outfielder and hitter with a great on base percentage that has a reasonable contract the next three years. He would seem like a great fit and KC is always a willing trade partner

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jojo, Wren is going after better than those 2!

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Does anyone really think the Braves could trade Uggla to anyone with that salary?

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Wren will inevitably screw this up in 3 … 2 …

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This was a good deal. No no no to victorino. I like the Upton deal but we need someone who gets on base now and thats not victorino. Our SS Ahmed is not near ready. So thats a no for trading AS and arizona is not going to trade for Ahmed either they want major league ready. If we go after Upton we will have to trade for say the SS Escobar from KC. Which will probably cost us Tehran or Delgado plus. And then we would have to trade him plus whichever starter is left in the the above 2 plus. And KC would probably ask for Ahmed as well. Thats to much I would like to have him but not for that much.

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Hey guys have you heard the name of CHASE HEADLEY?

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Victorino was never a top priority and with BJ here I doubt Wren is even thinking about him any longer.

In LF think Justin, Myers, Swisher, Gordon types. Fowler is not likely to be traded.

Now Warden may get flipped to AZ or KC in a LF trade. Or EOF may get flipped in that trade. Heck event Venters could be moved if they are high on Warden.

Point is Wren is aimin much higher than an aging Vitorino and over rated and older Pagan.

Wren said yesterday the BJ move was about continuing to get younger and more athletic. Victorino, Pagan and Swisher all fail the younger test. Swisher fails both. He can hit when he is hot that is about it. Defense and base path speed is meh at best.

So I am thinking its Justin first and foremost.

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The Braves claimed David Carpenter??? Thats the wrong Carpenter..LOL.

In other news…

Nationals Could Trade Michael Morse

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 30 at 1:00pm CST]

The Nationals’ trade for Denard Span will impact the entire Washington roster, not only in the outfield, but on the infield. The Nationals are “definitely shopping” first baseman/outfielder Michael Morse a little bit, an American League executive told Jayson Stark of ESPN.com (Twitter link). If the Nationals trade Morse, they could re-sign free agent first baseman Adam LaRoche and rely more on Tyler Moore.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#8PvkHWd5AFiUSPDZ.99

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I know you will call me crazy; but, I wish we could dump Uggla for a left fielder, put Prado at 2B, and give Francisco a chance at 3B.

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Even if it is unrealistic.

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“I want David Wright. Trade Franciso Teheran Delgado and Prado.”

I’m sure the Mets are totally up for trading him the day after a contract extension, right?

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Wren waaaaayyy overpaid for Upton so he didn’t have enough $$$ to pick up a quality guy for LF…so his fix, trad away a good middle of the rotation pitcher..to free up enough $$$. Wren is a complete joke!

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shine bright like a diamond in the sky.

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I think the Braves should try and sign Mark Reynolds to play third. We could have Uggla, Upton and Reynolds going all or nothing, swinging from the heels! Just think how many strikeouts this lineup could tally!? It would be breath-taking!

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RBI

November 30th, 2012
2:35 pm

I know you will call me crazy; but, I wish we could dump Uggla for a left fielder, put Prado at 2B, and give Francisco a chance at 3B.

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Uggla is not going anywhere. No one would take his salary on because of the season he had last year.

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use the 4 million extra for Hamilton, Wright, Texirea, Stephens, or Tori Hunter

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Some people are forgetting that many players, EOF, Venters, Prado, Heyward, Meds and Janish are all due raises in arbitration plus we only have 3 bench guys on roster right now by my count, Francisco, Janish and Laird. (this assumes they keep Janish which I hope they do). So not all of that $10-15 million is actually available to sign another player.

I am also still pulling for Prado to get the extension he sooo deserves.

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Stinger, you must be wearing blinders to consider Hanson “good.” I would put Tommy “degradation of velocity” Hanson in the same boat as some guy name Jurrgens. He’s got a dead arm, combined with horrible mechanics, and is fading fast. You give him up, a Boras client at that (and we know how that goes with the Braves) to get an All-Star closer in return? It’s a no-brainer! Wren obviously knows what he’s doing.

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Simmons will be our Ozzie Smith for years, DO NOT TRADE HIM! Great job getting rid of Hanson!! YAY we tricked someone into taking him! This guy gets stolen on more than anyone else with his slow delivery, plus his velocity is dropping like crazy every season. Good riddance!

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Spend the 4 mil on buying the scouts from the Marlins. If they all haven’t quit in discuss by now.

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I applaud Wren for this move! Hanson had not improved a single facet of his game. He couldn’t get out of 6th inning, he couldn’t hold runners, couldn’t handle a bat, and couldn’t field his position. He added no value to the Braves when his spot can be taken by Delgado or Teheran.

Finding a Left Fielder will be interesting. Glad to see Wren and Braves being proactive.

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Hanson looked promising a couple of years ago, but at this point- I doubt he’ll ever pan out. He lost velocity on his fastball, and got killed because he threw a mediocre fastball up in the strike zone.

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I know we need to fill that LF spot and this provides more cash to do so. However, any chance they look at trying to sign Greinke as he has shown a desire to play in Atlanta before. The Braves always go pitching first.

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I like this trade alot. Great Move by Wren.

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The Braves claimed right-hander David Carpenter off of waivers from the Red Sox. Why did they do that?

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who will now be our starters?
Huddy,Meds,and ….?

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Addition by subtraction….great trade. Getting ANYTHING in return for Hanson is a good move.

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Now will all of you who thought that Tommy Hanson would net Wil Myers for the Braves please realize that to get something you actually have to give something?

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Hanson is doomed for a short career as he is too much of an arm pitcher. Should be a positive move, but nothing is certain in the realm of MLB pitching.

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I like this move. Great job. Still not convinced he is going after Lf.

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The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.

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The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.

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Forgot about Choo. That would be a nice addition.

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The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.

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The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.

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Funny, the only other player on our team that Boras represents is our new catcher, Laird.

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Forgot about the Braves since I got concusshion on OCT. 5,2012.
Just got up off the deck.

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Now that Hanson is gone. Can the truth finally be told about his one car ( truck ) spring training wreck? To miss a whole week of spring training over a low speed accident. ??????? That incident smelled from the begining. Covered up like it was Chappaquiddick.

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Not a leadoff guy, but apparently Morse is available from the Nats. Certainly provides even more hitting form the right side. I don’t think he is great defensively, but he sure would provide another presence in the lineup.

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Almost forgot, with dumping Hanson, the Braves will have closer to about 16 million to spend on a LF’er, bullpen, and bench. We will end up with a very good LF’er, or Wren might surprise us and trade for a very good 3rd basemen and keep Prado in LF.

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I know its popular to bash Wren on here but you got to give the man credit he is definitely active and has been since his arrival. And that makes the hot stove season for Braves fan fun and makes the offseason go just that little bit faster…. Come On Opening Day !

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Crazy that the two pitchers who were supposed to anchor this staff for the next . . . well, until they were due big money from the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Phillies, are now gone.

Even more crazy, both lost fast ball velocity a big way, still in their mid-20’s.

I would love to hear from a scout or somebody who can explain that type of (to me) phenomenon.

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How does his HELP the Braves go deep in PlkyOffs in 2013 ?

About even at best – I think Wren and Freddi just wanted to get rid of a fair Pitcher with a major
mental problem(s)- 1st Inning ! Man on First ! Home run Balls !Shake off David Ross ?????

New Guy did not do much this year but McDougal must have seen some potential – Look for Maholm to be real effective ib 2013-Beachy will come back August 1st and be TOP NL PITCHER AGAIN -By Playoff Time, Braves have best P{itching Staff in ALL MLB.

Stop with the SIMMONS trade talk- he is part of Braves Future withMartin, Freddy and Jason-the new CF Upton has a lot to prove – I like Prado in Left and an in shape, new attitude Francisco (real raw power and ability) at 3B

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get justin upton to complete the all blk outfield. then, baseball won’t have seen an outfield that dark since baseball was played without lights.

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Good move but it hardly offsets overpaying Upton and letting Span be swiped under our noses for a Single A pitcher.

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i dont think we need to be looking at trades that involve delgado or teheran because we might need them, right now one of them is our number 5 starter and the other will get playing time in bigs this year because somebody will get hurt

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Amber Girl – I live on the Gold Coast. Have been here for 13 years. How long have you been down under?

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@kerryb

I love how you talk DAWGS and I support you 110%….but I live here in Texas (UGA Alumnus 1981)
and as far as Hamilton is concerned…he is a basket case….we have to hear all the other stuff he does off the field….Great player but tons of baggage the Braves organization does not need.

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Braves are in serious contact with a team about a prime player…hold the phones but it sounds like we may be going after a big fish after all…..could be a quick move as soon as next week!!

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sorry about double post!!

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Um Bop Hanson is gone.. All will rejoice in streets of Atlanta….

Remember we still have Meds, Huddy, Minor, Paul M, and Del or Teh. PLUS Beachy is coming back aswell.

I see us trying to push a deal for J. Upton, but dont get your hopes up. Victorino or Ross seems like the two will probably end up with. Stop with the Hamilton, its not going to happen.

Lot to be said after we finally get our LF or possible 3rd Base Player..

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Heisenberg, you really don’t think there is a better #3 (back end rotation) starter than Hanson on the market? – KC @ 2:27

That is not what I think. I have previously said I would non-tender him before giving him a raise via arbitration. Someone else was wondering what the Halos were thinking and that was my best guess.

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Uggla is not going anywhere. No one would take his salary on because of the season he had last year.

Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams are proof that any contract can be traded. Can Uggla defend the high pick and roll?

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Heard Hanson was a boozer who liked to hang out at the strip clubs. Getting another pitcher that can bring it 95+ is a good thing.

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Shane Victorino may well be available for the Braves now and would be a good fit I think. With Span now with Philly, Victorino would seem to be the odd man out there.

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DOB,

Don’t the Braves have more than 14 million to spend? I was figuring they had 10 million left after the Upton signing. Then they saved 4 million on the Hanson deal, so that is 14 million. Now with Jurrgens being let go, that should save another few million, so let’s put it at 17 million. Then Upton’s deal was back loaded where he doesn’t hit the 15 million mark until year 3. So I am thinking the Braves will have at least 17 million to spend? Am I right on this?

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@Ken Are you Drunk? Span with Nats and Victorino is not in Philly:} lay the booze down and get some rest dude!!

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i would rather have ludwick 26hr 275 avg than victorino 11hr and 255 avg.

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Yuup – I think Jurrjens was always gonna be non tendered so that savings is already being counted. However there is enough $ for FW to have the financial flexibility when or if the asking prices come down on some of our Free Agent targets and gives him room to maneuver for the big splash trade as well.

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@Blade not going to happen…you’re probably a big Bourn fan but you’ll have to cheer for him in Phiily or San fran…maybe even Texas if they don’t re-sgn Hamilton!!

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Swisher is my first choice. Ichiro could lead off. Nady would work too. B. J.’s brother would be cool, but it’s not going to happen.

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A few years ago I would have liked Ludwick, but not now. Heading into mid 30’s and padded stats at Cincy small park. Maybe on a cheap 1 year deal while waiting to see if Gattis can be the man.

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all you Uggla bashers will be eating your words when he hits .250+ and 30+ homers next year.

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Good move getting rid of Hanson. He will be out of baseball by age 30. Hope the Angels sign him to a huge contract! The missing piece of the puzzle for Atlanta is now that left field/lead off slot. If they can get a guy who can fill both roles, the Braves will give the Nats a run for their money next season. A good contact guy with speed would do it. The lineup has plenty of power. I wish the Braves would start drafting more position players. They need to develop more Heyward/Freeman type players for the future.

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Now THIS trade I like. Good move, Frankie. Good BP arm that could also get flipped.

If he is able to wrangle away Justin from the backs, I’d say, in hindsight, the BJ deal was a multi-layered move with sights on his brother and would be jaw-droppingly brilliant.

I doubt that’s what this is, but regardless, today is much better than yesterday.

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Great trade. Hanson has lost his velocity, could not hold runners. This now gives those younger guys a chance. I would like to see the Braves get Headley. Looks like we have one more major move to make.

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Great trade. Hanson has lost his velocity, could not hold runners. This now gives those younger guys a chance. I would like to see the Braves get Headley. Looks like we have one more major move to make.

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If we had 10 mil for a LF and we just freed up 4 million more does that mean we are going after Bourn again?

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After thinking this over, I like this trade. Hanson has just been a disappointment past two years and we did need another setup guy for the bullpen and freeing up the cash to get a LF is huge. So, who will that OF be? That’s the big question. I hope it isn’t friggin PAgan. Victorino is a Braves killer so if he goes to AL, fine, but I wouldn’t be sad if they grabbed him. But the best option, of course, would be trading for Justin. I’d pass on Hamilton. Jason Heyward is pushing to get Justin Upton.

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BAM: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121129&content_id=40461374&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Justin to Braves!

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Dan: With Bourn being a Boros client and given the Braves have tied uo over 15 mil per year for 5 years on Upton, I for one sure hope not. They need the extra 4 mil. and more to use to sign Prado, Heyward, and Freeman to long term deals.

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If Braves would like to get J Upton, trading Simmons would smart but I like Jannish at short. Could use him till the fenom is ML ready. I thought we didn’t lose much defense at all when Simmons got hurt. Jannish hit ok for a ss also. Will be looking forword to what’s next. BYE BIG RED.
GO DOGS

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If Braves would like to get J Upton, trading Simmons would smart but I like Jannish at short. Could use him till the fenom is ML ready. I thought we didn’t lose much defense at all when Simmons got hurt. Jannish hit ok for a ss also. Will be looking forword to what’s next. BYE BIG RED.
GO DOGS.

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Dan T , the great thing about shifting Hanson( and getting a decent return on a guy whose upside has taken a big hit) is thatmany more things are now possible that weren’t just a few hours ago. Justin would be a great get in my opinion but there are many options now. Thankyou FW

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The thing about about prospects I would think Bethancourt would be the only untouchable because he will take over for McCann because unless there is a career ending injury where are you going to put these prospects? Everybody on the team that starting is in their young 20’s? BJ Upton is like the old man on the team. So if we trade to get Justin its worth it.

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@ mid wisket. Why all the questions. 220 kilometers s.W. of Campbell town. Yes I know Queensland.

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The only way Simmons gets traded is for Trout or Harper. Not gonna happen. But Ahmed & one of the young pitchers (Delgado or Teheran) for Justin Upton. Yeah, that could work.

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this is a solid move. Hanson isn’t as good as projected and will never be a top starter. Walden has explosive stuff. (we should have gotten him in the Tex deal instead of the other reliever Marek who is now gone). Walden can close when needed. we will dump Moylan, another injury waiting to happen, and save even more money.
we don’t need C martinez either frankly, another possible non tender pitcher.
Wren is hot now.
PS Meyers from Nats is worth more than Hanson. Twins would not take Hanson over that 6ft 9in top prospect who is app 22 with no arm/back issues.
we can sign Ross or , if necessary, go after Swisher.

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No. 1 Braves Fan: we’re also ditching Jurrjens. I haven’t studied the payroll enough to comment knowledgeably but something is brewing. Hudson and Mccan have contracts expiring in 2013 right? We will likely not keep them, right? I need to do some studying, or I wish David O would do it for us. What are the real possibilities if you include the must signings of Freeman, Heyward and Prado?

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A trade for Justin Upton would be flat out incredible. That would be such an obscene amount of talent in one outfield. Wren will probably have to give up a bunch of good pitching if he wants to keep Simmons, but I cannot see how it wouldnt be worth it.

The chance of Chase Headley being the target is also not too farfetched at this point. Cant wait to hear about the new addition.

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Frank Wren has said he wants athletic players. Ross and Swisher don’t fit the term “athletic” as Frank Wren means it

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Blauser, No McClouth. PLEASE

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This seems like a good move. Hanson started with great promise, but has been going downhill for the past year and a half. If we can get Victorino, we will be set for 2013. Our starters only need to go 6-7 innings and the door will be shut with Walden and Kimbrel. GO BRAVES!

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Headley will stay in San Diego, but would love to see him in a Braves uniform

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Good move Frank, Delgado or Tehran either one will out pitch Tommy. Another strong arm in the bull pen and money freed up to hire a strong bat for left field. This is a win, win, win deal.

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Yessssssssss! Made my day. Tommy’s the proverbial “good dude” in the clubhouse, I’m sure, but I think the Braves’ record in 2013 will be all the better for this trade.

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all this Hamilton talk….lol.

Why not just re-sign Bourn? Keep one of the best leadoff guys in the league on your team?

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I would not do a package like that for anyone other than Upton.

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Lawyer….. Ok for Upton then. lets play ball!

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Of course I believe that Headley is first year Arb and either deal would be fine with me.

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@ Steven
I think you are right. Flyin Hawaiian covers all our needs even though he’s older. Not sure I like it but he’ll get on base more than freddy,danny,jason,BJ, AND MCCANN.(anybody seen him lately?)

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Braves interested in Ludwick? I just PUKED in my mouth!

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wren said younger, victorio not young forget hawaiin

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Good riddance to both JJ and Hanson and don’t let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you on your way out.

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who else can do (albeit hes older) what Victorrino can do?
thats available?

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The Ludwick mention makes me restless.

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I don’t know who it was that replied to my comment two days ago saying there is no way Hanson would be traded. Well I don’t own a crystal ball. I just have some common sense. I also said the Braves better not trade Simmons. I hope the writer here is right in saying the Braves have pulled him off the table. I still think the Braves need a front line pitcher. I don’t think Huddy can hold up all year.

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This frees up Kimbrell in the right deal. I know, you don’t want to deal him but his value will never be greater and if we can get the left field stud for him, Walden can close. He was an All-Star closer in 2011. Something to think about….

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Braves To Non-Tender Jurrjens, Moylan

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 30 at 4:10pm CST]

The Braves will non-tender starting pitcher Jair Jurrjens and relief pitcher Peter Moylan, David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports (on Twitter). Both players will hit free agency.

Jurrjens started ten games for the Braves in 2012, posting a 6.89 ERA with 3.5 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 in 48 1/3 innings. However, he earned $5.5MM this past season and would have earned a similar amount in 2013 if the Braves had tendered him a contract.

Moylan, 33, appeared in just eight games in 2012. He spent much of the season recovering from rotator cuff surgery that took place last October.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#qlAmkoQjtehr1Czh.99

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i think frank knows what he is doing, remember last off season he tried to trade jair j because he knew what was coming, so wait and see i think this deal will turn out to be a good one.

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Please do not trade for Shane Victorino – do not like him and he does not “fit” in a BRAVES UNIFORM!

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http://www.talkingchop.com/2012/10/8/3472760/atlanta-braves-off-season-questions-part-1-show-me-the-money

This article estimates with raises that they had 30 million to spend so minus the 15 for Upton with the salary dump of Hanson should put us around 19 million to spend

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One of the best moves the Braves have made lately. I am no expert but when I first saw him pitch I commented to friends that he would have to have arm surgery soon. Until he learns to throw with his body and legs he will continue to have problems pitching in the majors. If the Braves could get Upton’s brother without giving Simmons that would be super. If not maybe the young Myers would be a fit. The Braves have made a good start ifthey will just finish the pjrocess.

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@mid wicket
totally agree. a nice change from beloved football talk and boring nba.
And I have to agree w/Braves: the MOYLAN experience needs to b done. Great guy. Too bad.

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[...] Hanson would have been paid for 2013 toward getting the left fielder the lineup still needs. As the Atlanta Journal-Constitution‘s David O’Brien points out, trading Hanson and non-tendering Jair Jurrjens (which is expected to happen Friday) [...]

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The Upton brothers on the same team looks like going to happen .

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The best acquisition Atlanta can make is for Flowers Barkery to acquire Hostess assets. Oops, nevermind — different form of acquisition.

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2 Uptons and J-Hey. Maybe fastest outfield in majors. I know ,you say Nats.

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We’re not getting Hamilton. Signing him would help the braves now, but in a few years we wouldn’t be able to field a decent roster. Don’t forget that we are gonna have to pay J-hey and Freddie eventually. Not to mention, Prado, Simmons, Kimbrel, and our young starters.

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It is Victorino time for the Brave’s left field position!He can bat leadoff,steal bases and should make a decent leftfielder.If they can get him for 4 years 30 mil they should jump on the deal!

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LF – Justin Upton
CF – B.J. Upton
RF – Jey Hey

The Upton brothers have already talked about playing together.
Lets go Wren, get it done!

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How about this for a lineup
BJ Upton CF
Prado ss
Heyward rf
Justin Upton lf
Freeman 1b
Uggla 2b
McCann c
Francisco 3b

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Hopefully the Braves will be able to bring Peter back not only he is a good pitcher when he is healthy but he also a very good person.

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We all like to see good moves in the off-season and, preferably sooner than later. But with these two moves for BJ and the Hanson/Jordon whatsizname deal, FW doesn’t need to pull the trigger on the final piece immediately. With Simmons going nowhere, patience might still payoff for Justin Upton, Myers, or even Hamilton, you never know. It wouldn’t bother me at all, if we can’t get a big-time offensive asset, to give Gattis a serious look in the spring. He could be the surprise of the year and if that doesn’t work out, a deal is still possible with our trading chips.

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As sad as it is, this is actually a much more impressive move than the Upton deal. I couldnt be more indifferent about Upton. We lost some speed, gained a little bit of power, and also overpaid for a guy whos weaknesses are already legion in our lineup- cold snaps, strikeouts, lousy OBP.

But this is great. Teheran and Delgado get to compete for a starting spot, and its about time. I think Delgado will be one of the best pitchers in baseball within the next 5 years.

Best of luck to Hanson. Kid played hard and always worked to get better. He gets that hitch in his giddyup figured out and we might really regret dealing him, but I hope he does well out there.

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What about a lead off hitter Mr. Wrenn

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UP, UP and J-Hey

That may be the wittiest thing I have said all week. I would love to see that outfield.

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Keep Simmons and trade others for Justin Upton. Let Simmons lead off.

1. Simmons SS (R)
2. Prado 3B (R)
3. Heyward RF (L)
4. Justin Upton LF (R)
5. Freeman 1B (L)
6. Bossman Junior CF (R)
7. McCann C (L)
8. Uggla (R)

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Where are you guys hearing or getting these Justin Upton rumors? What sources?

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BRAVES claim David Carpenter off waiver from Red Sox….

Wren is hot…

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The only reason DeRosa has been off his game the last two years has been because of injuries. It’s not like were going to be spending muti-millons for him I’m only talking about a bench man that can play every position except for catcher,pitcher and center field.
He also has been a great one to have in the club house and on the field.

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Good move to get rid of Hansen. It would have been a good move even if we just got a bag of balls.

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I would trade Simmons only if they took Uggla. Put Prado at 2nd and give Francisco a chance at 3rd. Platoon Janish/Patornicky at SS until Ahmed is ready.

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I think this means we aren’t trading for Justin Upton. We now are only six deep in starters until Beachy returns. If we traded Delgado or Teheran, we would have no insurance starter waiting in the wings until mid-year. My gut says this signals that our rotation is set with Delgado/Teheran as first starter/backup and that we are going to sign an FA. Plus we freed up cash to use on a Free Agent. Just my opinion but Justin Upton isn’t happening at this point and I don’t see us being in a position to give Colorado what they would want for Fowler. So….Victorino??? Maybe once Beachy returns we trade Delgado or Teheran since Gilmartin will be half a year closer to the majors.

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Why are you on Victorino? Wren told you young, Not happening with the Hawaiin.

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Please, no Victorino as well. What about who we already have in Matt Diaz? I could see Angel Pagan, as he would be a great fit being a good ball player with a winner’s attitude. CAN WE DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF UGGLA?

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Nobody is taking Uggla. Would you take him? Even is you only had to pay half his salary?

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To all those who “love” this deal this could get ugly in a hurry. They gave away a guy that is a solid #3 starter for CHEAP (3 million in cap space? give me a break!) Ptichers are injury prone and a pool of 6 starting pitchers can dwindle to 3 or 4 in a hurry. Hanson was a solid starter and at worst insurance if someone went down. He was inexpensive and they got nowhere near equal value in return. This move will make a little more sense if they have something in the works for a left fielder and had to free up the money to get it done. It may work out but I’m not totally on board with this or the Upton deal at 5/$75 mil. I guess we’ll see.

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What is Delmon Young asking price?

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As long as we can completely ignore Ryan Ludwick as a FA possibility, I think we win in the hunt for a new LF.

I would hold off on trading for the other Upton if Simmons was the only piece that would make it happen, especially if Justin can get here as a free agent in a few years. And I have hated Victorino for years, but I really might not mind him in a Braves uniform.

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Ralph, it would more likely take all three of those players to bring the Diamondbacks to the table.

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@Amber Yeah just heard MOROSI from MLB say AZ. AND ATL. are close on deal for Justin U. the Braves have off. Pastornicky and pitching pros. but AZ. still want Simmy….GO BRAVES get it done!

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I believe someone would take Uggla if we paid half his salary, he is worth $6.5million.

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OK… again. What is Delmon Young’s asking price? Who would you rather have Young or Span?

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Late to the party but I want to say I can’t believe the Angels made this deal! Have they ever seen Hanson pitch? I also can’t believe the adjectives people are using to describe Hanson – serviceable? number 3 starter? middle of the rotation guy? He is through. He wouldn’t have been one of our best seven starters not even counting Beachy. I will be stunned if he is still in baseball in two years. Also the Nationals trade for Spann is hard to figure. You would think the Twins would have been able to get more for him than an A ball pitcher even with that kind of Potential. We had three of those guys two years ago and none of them are in the major leagues yet even as number five starters.

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Of all those still available I like Ryan Ludwick, has power, good BA, OBP doesn’t strike out a lot and a RH bat that hits righties and leftys about the same.

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butts is that censored

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I don’t like this at all. Sure, Hanson slipped in 2012….but 2 years ago we were all saying he’d be the future ace of the team. Now he’s not good enough for the rotation? Please…. We’ll be missing him in the rotation for sure in ‘13, while Randall Delgado struggles.

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I am telling you for the price… Which is not trading Simmons and money and getting Upton vs. the draft pick compensation and money for Delmon Young the braves should go after Delmon Young.

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OK… that didnt make sense. But you know what I am saying. Delmon Young is better because you do not mess up shortstop and he will be cheaper.

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Good move. It makes no sense to refuse to trade the young pitchers and also refuse to give them a chance to pitch in Atlanta. I’m all in favor of improving starting pitching, no matter much you think you have. I don’t think that Hanson was ever going to have good control with that arm action of his. Maybe a change of scene will do him good; I hope so. And despite what Wren says, I was waiting for the other shoe to fall: giving so much to Upton, with his record, made no sense unless Wren also planned to dump salaries elsewhere. This hasn’t finished shaking out. If Bethancourt was a year closer to being ready, I think McCann would be next, as much as I’ve loved him.

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You trade for Upton and can assure you McCann will be the next to walk.

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Prado
Heyward
Upton
Headley
Freeman
Uggla
McCann/Laird
Simmons

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Jbill… Whats your solution for filling the third outfield spot?

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Joey

November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
Crazy that the two pitchers who were supposed to anchor this staff for the next . . . well, until they were due big money from the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Phillies, are now gone.
Even more crazy, both lost fast ball velocity a big way, still in their mid-20’. I would love to hear from a scout or somebody who can explain that type of (to me) phenomenon.
No phenomenon – they both got hurt. My friend had the same story. First he was a fireballing stud. Then he hurt his elbow and became a crafty lefty. Last he hurt his shoulder and became a pharmaceutical rep.

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Span is gone – no big deal. I don’t want Justin Upton. Go get Ryan Ludwick.

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Anybody thinking we might make a run at the Kansas City kid Will Myers? Looks to be
a great player, absolutely crushed it last year.

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anything for tommy boy might be good right now….his noodle arm just doesn’t have it anymore

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To: ATLcracker. From: oldcrackerfan. Think we might have something in common. Just a word about the Hanson/Jurrgens crash, which you explained pretty well. I’d add this: you can never have too much starting pitching. That’s why I have hope for 2013, not the addition of another guy who swings for the fences.

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Tahillzfan..I don’t have the solution. To many factors to look at and only Wren and front office know what they are. I’m like most fans just have a opinion but also don’t want someone just because they’re cheap..usually get what you pay for. I believe Wren will surprise us all with something big…Maybe like one x-GM said Uggla may be traded. I hope for J Upton, Willingham, are someone from a trade. Hope we don’t ever get a Boras player again. My $.02 worth don’t count for much. I also like Swisher but thats out now. I just trust Wren to get it done..Go Braves!
I do respect your opinion.

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Remember braves fans, you now have 2 Ugllas in the line-up

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we lost a superstar in Chipper- we got that 25 mil from the tv deal- get hamilton – he hits lefties & righties – go for it braves/ wren ;hamilton was out for a few years so he has less wear & tear – sure there’s a chance he could have a relapse but there’s a chance whomever we get will be injured- Hamilton at a minimum will hit 30 & drive in 100 while hitting for average

Let’s Go Bravos!

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I agree that it would make sense to trade the loser of the Teheran/Delgado fight for the fifth spot. And the Braves have realized in the past that rising young pitchers can be used in two ways: by pitching them or by trading them. It doesn’t always work out. See Adam Wainwright. But if we’re going to compete with Philly and the Nats, we have to be willing to do some things that might seem unpleasant. Most teams want our young pitching. The mid-season return of Beachy makes it even more feasible.

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David Wright is reported to have accepted a huge offer from the Mets to re-sign with them — by reports the largest contract the Mets have every offered. Seems Wright can be taken off the board.

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I’ve always maintained that Wren continues to impress with the $ he has to work with…the trend continues! Go BRAVES!

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Awesome! Now we can get a matching weak bat in left field. Go Braves (and take the Falcons with you).

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Tommy H was a nice guy but never got much past the fifth inning and was prone to the long ball. In his defense he got very little run support and lost a lot of close games. I like another 100 mph guy in the pen.

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best move frank has ever made

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Id like to think the we could move a couple of players like Ahmed and Gilmartin to fill the OF spot via trade, I dont think we have the ammo to get Upton without moving Simmons, but Id be happy to be wrong. Maybe those two guys and one more prospect bring the OFer we need, or maybe that combo could land a guy for 3rd…guess we’ll see.Id still rather go the trade route than sign a FA.If we sign a guy, I like Pagan.I suppose Swisher, Ross, Victorino or maybe Young could be decent signings too…depending on the $. Id try my best to put together a package that allowed me to keep Simmons and at least one of Teheran or Delgado for someone like Alex Gordon, Chase Headley or Shin-Soo Choo. I also wouldn’t mind Lorenzo Cain…depending on the asking price.

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There is a way to get the other Upton without giving up Simmons… The DBacks have said time and time again that they want an MLB ready SS. The Indians are in rebuilding mode and are basically just looking for prospects. Ahmed and Gilmartin to Cleveland. Asdrubal Cabrera and Pastornicky to AZ. Upton to ATL. Very feasible.

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Wish we coulda had the foresight to trade Hanson & JJ in 2011. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20, I guess.

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dave batman

November 30th, 2012
10:10 pm

Remember braves fans, you now have 2 Ugllas in the line-up

If you were counting BJ as the second then you mis-counted, three with McCann.

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Hell, just re-sign Reed Johnson, give him the starting job in left, and bat him lead-off. He has a good BA and OBP, good speed, and is a good defender.

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Johnson hasn’t been able to stay healthy or productive when he plays day after day.

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The Upton deal might not look like the best deal NOW, but it might look like a steal a year from now. BJ is only 28, so it’s not like he can’t improve or will always be the player he was last year. Last year he had a 7.1% walk rate and a 26.7% K rate. That’s pretty bad. But a few years ago he had a 15.2% walk rate and only a 20.9% K rate. That led to an OBP of .383. That’s pretty darn good. He had essentially the same OBP the year before that. So who’s to say Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher can’t get him back to that? He’s done it before.

With players like Bourn, Pagan and even Hamilton, we’ve seen their best. We know they won’t get better, meaning there is only downside due mostly to their age. With Upton, we have seen him be everything from a walk machine who hits for average to a power hitter who never gets on base. And because he’s still young, he has upside. Put it all together and you have an MVP-type player.

Wren trusts Walker and Fletcher, and I do too. They did wonders with J-Hey. We might have overpayed for Upton, but the fact is he’s a really intriguing talent and the payoff could be huge. At the very worst he stays the same player as last year and hits 30 bombs and steals 30 bases while playing solid defense. That’s not a terrible floor.

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Pitchers Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens have been in career-decline mode since the 2011 All-Star break, and by the end of the day Friday both were ex-Braves…

I can think of two other Braves who have been in career-decline mode since 2011, Brian McCann & Dan Uggla, we resign one for $12 million and the other is an albatross against our payroll for $13 million…thats $25 mil total for 2 declining players.

Funny how the Braves can see career decline in two players who appear on the field every 5-6 days, but can’t see the decline of the other two players who play every day.

My guess is they check the stats…the stats should have been 4 for 4 on the decline meter…. just saying!

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Even if Upton only has a “typical” year it will mean: great defense, 30-40 stolen bases, 80-90 runs, and 70-85 RBI’s. BJ has also proven that he can hit for average and have an OBP in the .380+ range. I will not be surprised to see him become more productive with the Braves. He was trying to carry a weak hitting Rays team over the past several years and saw his power numbers increase at the expense of his average and OBP. GO BRAVES!

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Addition by subtraction ……………… I love it

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The Braves have $14 million to sign a left fielder and two bench players. Why do the fools on here keep bringing up Josh Hamilton? He’s going to cost a whole lot more than that!!

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Only better scenario would had Hansen leaving sooner.

good bye and good luck, maybe Scott Boras can fleece some other team.

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@Frank for president; Or even make a deal of Uggla for chavez 3b, LH w/ pop. won’t cost as much as a-rod. Like the prado move to second.

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“eric chavez 3b” a possibility(?)

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these josh hamilton comments are hilarious—— trust me , after following the guy the past 3 yrs in dallas, frank wren knows, the braves dont need this dumpster fire– he hasnt played a full season cause of injuries, he cant or wont adjust to pitchers, he swings from the heels like adam dunn on every pitch, and hes an Old 32,, u dont spend mega bucks on free agents that age… put it to rest guys,, i dont think even Cashman is foolish enough to go after wore out spare…. good guy but a spare…

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DOB – keep the Hot Stove churn’n, Smells awsome. Frank is cook’n in the kitch’n, gets all of us stirred up this off season.

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Any prospects in Brave farm system for out field spot? I ask because seems they have not, besides Heyward, done well in developing OFprospects. Maybe their focus on drafting pitchers has hurt in other areas.

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Frank for president,

How will we have extra money to sign Hamilton if we trade Uggla for A-Rod when A-Rod makes more money than Uggla? We would have less money to spend for what we really need, a LF’er. Prado is moving to 3rd base, and that is perfectly fine with me. I believe the Braves will get either Victorino or trade for Justin Upton. If Arizona insists on Simmons in the deal, they will likely end up with Victorino.

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Maybe there is a God. The National league has figured out Hanson. His mechanics suck. Everyone teed off on him and base runners made him look ridiculous. Now the American League will steal his lunch and voraciously eat it, as well.

Bye-bye, Tommie Boy. Enjoy what’s left of your career on the left coast. Now we can enjoy a more prosperous up-coming season without the worry of a loser who never admitting it.

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Watching MLB Network’s MLB Tonight show, it occurred to me that the Braves have a good fit with the Toronto Blue Jays on a deal — Eric O’Flaherty for Emilio Bonifacio. Braves have depth in bullpen, Jays signed Maicer Izturis, who likely expected he would start when he signed as a Free Agent. Jays are hurting in the pen, especially with quality Lefty’s.

Braves could use Bonifacio as their speedy Lead-off hitter and in LF, though he can play 3b, 2b, SS, as well as CF. They are both 27 years old and their salaries were similar in 2012, O’Flaherty at $2.49 million and Bonifacio at $2.2 million. Both teams may want to add additional players to this, but the basic deal would be O’Flaherty for Bonifacio.

I would prefer the Braves acquire Giancarlo (formerly Mike) Stanton or Justin Upton, but the trade price might be prohibitive for either of these… especially compared to price of O’Flaherty for Bonifacio.

What do you think?

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Bonifacio fr O’Flaherty would be a good deal for both teams, why not pull the trigger on that one

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Get Justin Upton for immons….Put Prado at SS With Janis as a backup and signed free Agent Reynolds for 3b….POWER Batting Order

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I am not against Bonifacio, but I think the Braves are aiming a little higher on this one. Bonifacio is a lot like Victorino in that he could be the leadoff hitter, steal some bases, and hit line to line. I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but I am expecting a Justin Upton or Victorino in this particular case. However Bonifacio is cheaper, and that is exactly what the Braves usually gravitate towards. Who knows on this one.

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and if Braves pull off deal for Bonifacio and for J Upson, Bonifacio will be the shortstop

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SS Nick Ahmed played well out here in the Arizona fall league.
Maybe:
1.Delgado
2.Gilmartin
3.Ahmed
4.Low level prospect
….may do the trick for Justin Upton?

Maholm/Minor makes Gilmartin expendable…

1. Simmons
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Justin Upton
5. Freddie Freeman
6. BJ Upton
7. McCann
8. Uggla

That is a pretty potent lineup.

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SS Nick Ahmed played well out here in the Arizona fall league.
Maybe:
1.Delgado
2.Gilmartin
3.Ahmed
4.Low level prospect
….may do the trick for Justin Upton?

Maholm/Minor makes Gilmartin expendable…

1. Simmons
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Justin Upton
5. Freddie Freeman
6. BJ Upton
7. McCann
8. Uggla

That is a pretty potent lineup.

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I literally cheered when my wife told me that Hanson had been traded. He was our worst starter not named JJ, and we have Delgado and Tehran that both need to get their shots so we can stop hearing how good they could be. It’s time to see if they are good as the hype.

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dump that chipster dude and we’ll be on a roll…..

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Chase Headley from Padres for Delgado and Walden. Headley at 3rd..Prado in Left. Simmons leadoff.

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Towers from Arizona knows that Simmons is a huge commodity to the Braves. So he isnt going to stray away from him in trade talks. They NEED a SS who can defend well and that is Simmons. Ahmed or Pastornicky will not interest Towers, becuase he needs a Ready to go SS with great defense.

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Great move Frank Wren,but disappointed you weren’t able to include Peter Bourgeous,OF of the Angels in the trade……fast,can play all outfield positions,good player that had the unfortunate situation of playin’ CF, now the position of one Mike Trout……..just sayin’………

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Sign Shane and keep the young pitchers. There is a reason the D-backs are willing to unload Upton.
One Upton is enough already.

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Hanson has become a nibbler (does not finish of hitters when he gets ahead in count), has lost a lot of velocity and has never been able to hold runners on. Often @ 100+ pitches in 5th as a result. Good riddance.

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