1:21 pm November 30, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 30th, 20126:36 pm
Mark DeRosa would be a nice utility fit.
The guy that said trade Kimbrel ought to be shot at high noon.
Walden should be nice as a closer when Kimbrel is not available otherwise another setup man.
What happened to the Gattis trial in left and backup catcher ?
We all like to see good moves in the off-season and, preferably sooner than later. But with these two moves for BJ and the Hanson/Jordon whatsizname deal, FW doesn’t need to pull the trigger on the final piece immediately. With Simmons going nowhere, patience might still payoff for Justin Upton, Myers, or even Hamilton, you never know. It wouldn’t bother me at all, if we can’t get a big-time offensive asset, to give Gattis a serious look in the spring. He could be the surprise of the year and if that doesn’t work out, a deal is still possible with our trading chips.
November 30th, 20126:39 pm
Derosa is totally washed up. No, no, no.
I’m not assuming the Hanson-Walden deal is complete until they pass physicals.
November 30th, 20126:58 pm
As sad as it is, this is actually a much more impressive move than the Upton deal. I couldnt be more indifferent about Upton. We lost some speed, gained a little bit of power, and also overpaid for a guy whos weaknesses are already legion in our lineup- cold snaps, strikeouts, lousy OBP.
But this is great. Teheran and Delgado get to compete for a starting spot, and its about time. I think Delgado will be one of the best pitchers in baseball within the next 5 years.
Best of luck to Hanson. Kid played hard and always worked to get better. He gets that hitch in his giddyup figured out and we might really regret dealing him, but I hope he does well out there.
November 30th, 20127:04 pm
Keith Law says Hanson’s shoulder looks like hamburger meat, so my guess is that this is a decent move. Not sure why we need so many bullpen guys, but whatever. Jurrjens was a goner from Day 1 of last season. Good luck to Moylan. I think everybody knew he wouldn’t be back, but he’s a great guy who, along with David Ross, will take some of this club’s cool clubhouse atmosphere out the door with him.
November 30th, 20127:08 pm
What about a lead off hitter Mr. Wrenn
STEELY DAN MAN
November 30th, 20127:10 pm
I wish the Braves could be BOURN again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
November 30th, 20127:13 pm
UP, UP and J-Hey
That may be the wittiest thing I have said all week. I would love to see that outfield.
November 30th, 20127:16 pm
DeRosa is a wash..forget it.
Virginia Brave Fan
Keep Simmons and trade others for Justin Upton. Let Simmons lead off.
1. Simmons SS (R)
2. Prado 3B (R)
3. Heyward RF (L)
4. Justin Upton LF (R)
5. Freeman 1B (L)
6. Bossman Junior CF (R)
7. McCann C (L)
8. Uggla (R)
November 30th, 20127:20 pm
Thats the hold-up. Diamondbacks insist on Simmons,
November 30th, 20127:22 pm
Where are you guys hearing or getting these Justin Upton rumors? What sources?
November 30th, 20127:31 pm
MLB NEtwork and Diamondbacks.com
November 30th, 20127:35 pm
BRAVES claim David Carpenter off waiver from Red Sox….
Wren is hot…
November 30th, 20127:36 pm
Chuck it was on MLB-TV…
November 30th, 20127:37 pm
The only reason DeRosa has been off his game the last two years has been because of injuries. It’s not like were going to be spending muti-millons for him I’m only talking about a bench man that can play every position except for catcher,pitcher and center field.
He also has been a great one to have in the club house and on the field.
November 30th, 20127:41 pm
Hi Jbill Don’t stop him now. He is on a roll. We stop him he might go to sleep.
November 30th, 20127:44 pm
Good move to get rid of Hansen. It would have been a good move even if we just got a bag of balls.
November 30th, 20127:45 pm
How about Mike Morse for left field now that Span has signed with the Nats and if LaRoache signs Morse will be available.
November 30th, 20127:46 pm
I would trade Simmons only if they took Uggla. Put Prado at 2nd and give Francisco a chance at 3rd. Platoon Janish/Patornicky at SS until Ahmed is ready.
November 30th, 20127:48 pm
Know reason way Prado or Simmons could lead off. To get the other Upton bro., offer Pastornicky or Janish and for good luck, throw in Ugglar.
November 30th, 20127:52 pm
I think this means we aren’t trading for Justin Upton. We now are only six deep in starters until Beachy returns. If we traded Delgado or Teheran, we would have no insurance starter waiting in the wings until mid-year. My gut says this signals that our rotation is set with Delgado/Teheran as first starter/backup and that we are going to sign an FA. Plus we freed up cash to use on a Free Agent. Just my opinion but Justin Upton isn’t happening at this point and I don’t see us being in a position to give Colorado what they would want for Fowler. So….Victorino??? Maybe once Beachy returns we trade Delgado or Teheran since Gilmartin will be half a year closer to the majors.
November 30th, 20128:02 pm
Meant Delgado/Teheran as fifth starter/backup…
November 30th, 20128:03 pm
Why are you on Victorino? Wren told you young, Not happening with the Hawaiin.
EXCELLENT MOVE! Hanson was the worst starter in the rotation, walked WAY too many batters, and anyone with legs could steal bases on him. NOW, it is time for VENTERS to go also. Too many dirt balls that will eventually cost the Braves and Venters has also lost his edge. When he doesn’t throw it in the dirt, batters hit him hard. So far, the Braves are looking good for next season as long as Wren and company continue to fill the Braves’ needs.
November 30th, 20128:07 pm
Please, no Victorino as well. What about who we already have in Matt Diaz? I could see Angel Pagan, as he would be a great fit being a good ball player with a winner’s attitude. CAN WE DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF UGGLA?
November 30th, 20128:08 pm
Amber, just saying it seems like they are positioning for an FA signing and I didn’t see anything about Vitorino not being a fit. I also am not that big on Victorino. I just think at this stage the Justin talk seems improbable.
Wren is going to want to be six deep in starters and after JJ and Hanson are gone, that leaves me to believe one of the young guys isn’t getting traded.
November 30th, 20128:11 pm
Nobody is taking Uggla. Would you take him? Even is you only had to pay half his salary?
November 30th, 20128:20 pm
Love this trade, next we ned to trade Ahmed and Gilmartin or Teheran for Justin.
To all those who “love” this deal this could get ugly in a hurry. They gave away a guy that is a solid #3 starter for CHEAP (3 million in cap space? give me a break!) Ptichers are injury prone and a pool of 6 starting pitchers can dwindle to 3 or 4 in a hurry. Hanson was a solid starter and at worst insurance if someone went down. He was inexpensive and they got nowhere near equal value in return. This move will make a little more sense if they have something in the works for a left fielder and had to free up the money to get it done. It may work out but I’m not totally on board with this or the Upton deal at 5/$75 mil. I guess we’ll see.
November 30th, 20128:23 pm
Schafer is looking more and more like our CF.
November 30th, 20128:28 pm
What is Delmon Young asking price?
mattyb – I almost got epilepsy reading your post
November 30th, 20128:29 pm
As long as we can completely ignore Ryan Ludwick as a FA possibility, I think we win in the hunt for a new LF.
I would hold off on trading for the other Upton if Simmons was the only piece that would make it happen, especially if Justin can get here as a free agent in a few years. And I have hated Victorino for years, but I really might not mind him in a Braves uniform.
November 30th, 20128:30 pm
Prado continues to be a utility player, he remains the best option for back-up SS, 2B, and RH Bat in LF with Franscisco taking his place on 3rd when necessary.
November 30th, 20128:32 pm
Ralph, it would more likely take all three of those players to bring the Diamondbacks to the table.
November 30th, 20128:38 pm
I wouldn’t trade Simmons for Justin Upton plus any other player on the D/acks team.
November 30th, 20128:42 pm
@Amber Yeah just heard MOROSI from MLB say AZ. AND ATL. are close on deal for Justin U. the Braves have off. Pastornicky and pitching pros. but AZ. still want Simmy….GO BRAVES get it done!
For me it comes down to this… 3 years of Justin or 6 years of Simmons. It’s a no-brainer, no deal.
I believe someone would take Uggla if we paid half his salary, he is worth $6.5million.
November 30th, 20128:44 pm
Ralph If you don’t trade Simmons, you won’t get Upton…..
November 30th, 20128:45 pm
OK… again. What is Delmon Young’s asking price? Who would you rather have Young or Span?
November 30th, 20128:56 pm
I’m thinking 3 way trade for Upton….maybe with Indians w/ Asdrubal Cabrera or Kansas City w/ Alcedis Escobar so we can keep simmons. We’ll see though. SPEED & POWER….let’s get Upton, Upton, Heyward…..make it happen Frank!
November 30th, 20129:00 pm
Late to the party but I want to say I can’t believe the Angels made this deal! Have they ever seen Hanson pitch? I also can’t believe the adjectives people are using to describe Hanson – serviceable? number 3 starter? middle of the rotation guy? He is through. He wouldn’t have been one of our best seven starters not even counting Beachy. I will be stunned if he is still in baseball in two years. Also the Nationals trade for Spann is hard to figure. You would think the Twins would have been able to get more for him than an A ball pitcher even with that kind of Potential. We had three of those guys two years ago and none of them are in the major leagues yet even as number five starters.
November 30th, 20129:05 pm
I don’t know much about J Upton but I would not like to lose A Simmons. I believe he is a rare true shortstop with at least middling hitting ability. The sort of guy who makes championships.
Of all those still available I like Ryan Ludwick, has power, good BA, OBP doesn’t strike out a lot and a RH bat that hits righties and leftys about the same.
November 30th, 20129:08 pm
Personally I would LOVE to see us get Giancarlo Stanton. I don’t know what the Marlins would ask for in return and it would surely be too steep for division rivals but good lord could you imagine our outfield then???
butts is that censored
November 30th, 20129:09 pm
Excellent move. Hanson is done. Getting anything for him is amazing. Too bad we didn’t trade him years ago when other teams wanted him.
November 30th, 20129:13 pm
I don’t like this at all. Sure, Hanson slipped in 2012….but 2 years ago we were all saying he’d be the future ace of the team. Now he’s not good enough for the rotation? Please…. We’ll be missing him in the rotation for sure in ‘13, while Randall Delgado struggles.
November 30th, 20129:15 pm
I doubt Jake Peavy for Hanson would have been exciting two years ago either. Its easy to look back. I would be a cazillionaire in the gold market if I could look back. Now I am just trazillionaire.
November 30th, 20129:18 pm
I am telling you for the price… Which is not trading Simmons and money and getting Upton vs. the draft pick compensation and money for Delmon Young the braves should go after Delmon Young.
The Wiz @7:48 “Know reason way Prado or Simmons could lead off. To get the other Upton bro., offer Pastornicky or Janish and for good luck, throw in Ugglar.”
how soon people forget that prado was a great leadoff hitter for the braves in 2010.
in 319 PA, he batted .322 with a .362obp and .521slg with 11 homers
He and heyward were actually one of the best 1-2 combos I’ve seen in recent years.
I have no problem with prado returning to the leadoff spot; it would also eliminate some of those double plays that he hit into.
as for the trade proposal, very laughable
November 30th, 20129:21 pm
OK… that didnt make sense. But you know what I am saying. Delmon Young is better because you do not mess up shortstop and he will be cheaper.
November 30th, 20129:23 pm
The fact that the Braves cut ties with Jurrjens and Hanson goes to show you can NEVER have to much pitching depth. Two years ago we were all talking about those 2 as the the anchors of the staff for years to come. Now due to injury and other circumstances, they have become expendible. Great pitching usually has a fairly short shelf life. We all go spoiled with Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz being so good for so long. That was an exception to the rule
November 30th, 20129:24 pm
Good move. It makes no sense to refuse to trade the young pitchers and also refuse to give them a chance to pitch in Atlanta. I’m all in favor of improving starting pitching, no matter much you think you have. I don’t think that Hanson was ever going to have good control with that arm action of his. Maybe a change of scene will do him good; I hope so. And despite what Wren says, I was waiting for the other shoe to fall: giving so much to Upton, with his record, made no sense unless Wren also planned to dump salaries elsewhere. This hasn’t finished shaking out. If Bethancourt was a year closer to being ready, I think McCann would be next, as much as I’ve loved him.
November 30th, 20129:29 pm
We don’t need Young..a *@*^* joke.
You trade for Upton and can assure you McCann will be the next to walk.
November 30th, 20129:30 pm
Trade for Headley. Imagine lineup:
November 30th, 20129:34 pm
not a pitching coach
November 30th, 20129:35 pm
Good luck, Tommy. I think the environment has a great deal to do with your performance, and Southern California is good for you.
OF choice: Justin Upton. The braves would have a spectacular outfield if he was signed.
Put Prado at third.
And cheer through the next season.
November 30th, 20129:36 pm
Jbill… Whats your solution for filling the third outfield spot?
November 30th, 20129:40 pm
Good luck to Jurrjens and Hanson. Hopefully a change of scenery will help them both get on track.
November 30th, 20129:44 pm
November 30th, 2012
Crazy that the two pitchers who were supposed to anchor this staff for the next . . . well, until they were due big money from the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Phillies, are now gone.
Even more crazy, both lost fast ball velocity a big way, still in their mid-20’. I would love to hear from a scout or somebody who can explain that type of (to me) phenomenon.
No phenomenon – they both got hurt. My friend had the same story. First he was a fireballing stud. Then he hurt his elbow and became a crafty lefty. Last he hurt his shoulder and became a pharmaceutical rep.
TREMENDOUS TR ADE..WALDEN GIVES THE BRAVES AN 8TH INNING SET UP MAN WHO CAN CLOSE IN AN EMERGENCY;;;;TWO PITCHERS BACK TO BACK WHO CAN THROW 100MPH.. VENTERS EXPENDABLE FOR POSSIBLE TRADE FOR LEFT FIELD…HANSON STEADY PHYSICAL DECLINE SINCE 2010..
November 30th, 20129:49 pm
Span is gone – no big deal. I don’t want Justin Upton. Go get Ryan Ludwick.
November 30th, 20129:51 pm
trade Uggla to ARAMARK..he can sell dogs & beer…(maybe)
Anybody thinking we might make a run at the Kansas City kid Will Myers? Looks to be
a great player, absolutely crushed it last year.
November 30th, 20129:54 pm
@Texas Dawg, I understand your sentiment about ptiching depth however, FW couldn’t send Teheran or Delgado back to AAA for a third year. So, if we had to trade one of Teheran/Delgado/Hansen then I think Frank did a masterful job. He got some value back and we maintain the two pitchers at a lower cost base for the next few years while Hansen was/is going to cost with Borass. All in All I agree that Hansen was the one to go rather than Delgado or Teheran.
Lee in S GA
November 30th, 20129:55 pm
anything for tommy boy might be good right now….his noodle arm just doesn’t have it anymore
November 30th, 20129:57 pm
I think every team would make a run for Myers, the question is just how much do you have to give up and for that kid it would be an absolute ton of value. But I would love to have him in Atlanta for sure
November 30th, 20129:58 pm
To: ATLcracker. From: oldcrackerfan. Think we might have something in common. Just a word about the Hanson/Jurrgens crash, which you explained pretty well. I’d add this: you can never have too much starting pitching. That’s why I have hope for 2013, not the addition of another guy who swings for the fences.
November 30th, 201210:05 pm
I think that unless we are getting the kind of big time difference maker left fielder., i.e. Justin Upton then I believe Frank doesn’t deal either Delgado or Teheran exactly for the reasons espoused by ATL crackerfan. But keep in mind depth with a number five starter isn’t impossible to find out there. A free agent LF pickup isn’t necessarily the worst way to go given our present situation as constructed.
Tahillzfan..I don’t have the solution. To many factors to look at and only Wren and front office know what they are. I’m like most fans just have a opinion but also don’t want someone just because they’re cheap..usually get what you pay for. I believe Wren will surprise us all with something big…Maybe like one x-GM said Uggla may be traded. I hope for J Upton, Willingham, are someone from a trade. Hope we don’t ever get a Boras player again. My $.02 worth don’t count for much. I also like Swisher but thats out now. I just trust Wren to get it done..Go Braves!
I do respect your opinion.
Heard from a friend in AZ today that reports out there say Simmons is very much in play. Hope our reports of “no way” are more accurate.
November 30th, 201210:10 pm
Remember braves fans, you now have 2 Ugllas in the line-up
November 30th, 201210:11 pm
Headley playing third would be better for Braves. Leave Prado in left. Headley has big bat, 31 hrs this year plus doesn’t strike out much. He has gold glove potential.
November 30th, 201210:15 pm
we lost a superstar in Chipper- we got that 25 mil from the tv deal- get hamilton – he hits lefties & righties – go for it braves/ wren ;hamilton was out for a few years so he has less wear & tear – sure there’s a chance he could have a relapse but there’s a chance whomever we get will be injured- Hamilton at a minimum will hit 30 & drive in 100 while hitting for average
Let’s Go Bravos!
November 30th, 201210:27 pm
I agree that it would make sense to trade the loser of the Teheran/Delgado fight for the fifth spot. And the Braves have realized in the past that rising young pitchers can be used in two ways: by pitching them or by trading them. It doesn’t always work out. See Adam Wainwright. But if we’re going to compete with Philly and the Nats, we have to be willing to do some things that might seem unpleasant. Most teams want our young pitching. The mid-season return of Beachy makes it even more feasible.
November 30th, 201210:33 pm
That is good news. Hanson was without a doubt the weakest link.
November 30th, 201210:43 pm
David Wright is reported to have accepted a huge offer from the Mets to re-sign with them — by reports the largest contract the Mets have every offered. Seems Wright can be taken off the board.
November 30th, 201210:50 pm
leftfield, hmmmm is roland office, terry harper or terry blocker available, we could give them a call
November 30th, 201210:54 pm
I’ve always maintained that Wren continues to impress with the $ he has to work with…the trend continues! Go BRAVES!
November 30th, 201210:57 pm
Awesome! Now we can get a matching weak bat in left field. Go Braves (and take the Falcons with you).
ESPN reports Wright’s contract extension spans six years and is worth $137.5 million! That’s an average of just under $23 million a year!
November 30th, 201210:59 pm
Tommy H was a nice guy but never got much past the fifth inning and was prone to the long ball. In his defense he got very little run support and lost a lot of close games. I like another 100 mph guy in the pen.
November 30th, 201211:00 pm
Actually, make that 8 years (out to 2020) for the $137.5 million!
Frank Wren is an idiot
November 30th, 201211:05 pm
best move frank has ever made
November 30th, 201211:10 pm
Let’s return to Victorino. Some question how age might reduce his effectiveness. He’s only 32 years old. Last year, despite splitting between Pilly and the Dodgers, he produced good numbers. Forget BA — the most overrated offensive statistic! Getting on base is more important than the numbers of times you get on base with a hit.
Victorino had an OBA of .321 in 2012 — only slighly lower than for Michael Bourn. He also had 39 stolen bases and was caught stealing only six times — again only slightly less than for Bourn. He played nearly his whole career in Philly, so it isn’t surprising that the trade to Los Angeles caused a slight reduction in production.
He remains a very good fielder and would complete a trio that would rank among the best defensive outfield in baseball if the Braves could sign him. The Braves have about the right amount of money on hand to make a serious run for him. I think they should.
November 30th, 201211:20 pm
Id like to think the we could move a couple of players like Ahmed and Gilmartin to fill the OF spot via trade, I dont think we have the ammo to get Upton without moving Simmons, but Id be happy to be wrong. Maybe those two guys and one more prospect bring the OFer we need, or maybe that combo could land a guy for 3rd…guess we’ll see.Id still rather go the trade route than sign a FA.If we sign a guy, I like Pagan.I suppose Swisher, Ross, Victorino or maybe Young could be decent signings too…depending on the $. Id try my best to put together a package that allowed me to keep Simmons and at least one of Teheran or Delgado for someone like Alex Gordon, Chase Headley or Shin-Soo Choo. I also wouldn’t mind Lorenzo Cain…depending on the asking price.
November 30th, 201211:25 pm
Does this the Braves have a chance to win a post season series since when????
November 30th, 201211:30 pm
There is a way to get the other Upton without giving up Simmons… The DBacks have said time and time again that they want an MLB ready SS. The Indians are in rebuilding mode and are basically just looking for prospects. Ahmed and Gilmartin to Cleveland. Asdrubal Cabrera and Pastornicky to AZ. Upton to ATL. Very feasible.
November 30th, 201211:33 pm
If Ahmed is going to be the real deal, then trading Simmons to get J Upton would be fine. MLB network just suggested Prado could play SS. Francisco could get a shot at 3rd until Ahmed is ready.
CF B Upton
LF J Upton
That is a potentially devastating lineup.
November 30th, 201211:37 pm
Wish we coulda had the foresight to trade Hanson & JJ in 2011. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20, I guess.
November 30th, 201211:44 pm
November 30th, 2012
I would like your lineup if you could just figure out a way to take Uggla and McCann out of it.
November 30th, 201211:49 pm
November 30th, 2012
If you were counting BJ as the second then you mis-counted, three with McCann.
November 30th, 201211:54 pm
I hate the Upton signing. Will be worse than Uggs because at least Uggs will walk occassionally.
Loved the moves today though trading Hanson and letting JJ and Moylan go.
Now get another outfielder!
Lastly, Wren, do something great/extraordinary/miraculous…trade Uggla so we don’t lose a ton of money for a young 3rd sacker and move Prado to 2nd. – Then we’ll forgive the Upton signing. We can deal with one K machine but 2 is going to be tough to overcome!
Hell, just re-sign Reed Johnson, give him the starting job in left, and bat him lead-off. He has a good BA and OBP, good speed, and is a good defender.
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