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BJ Upton is a baller
November 30th, 2012
2:38 pm
trade for him. kerry b
I will give the braves some money for it.
Deep Breath and Reload
November 30th, 2012
2:38 pm
I think the Braves should try and sign Mark Reynolds to play third. We could have Uggla, Upton and Reynolds going all or nothing, swinging from the heels! Just think how many strikeouts this lineup could tally!? It would be breath-taking!
JoeBrave
November 30th, 2012
2:39 pm
Hanson and GOOD should never be in the same sentence!
kerryb
November 30th, 2012
2:39 pm
RBI
November 30th, 2012
2:35 pm
I know you will call me crazy; but, I wish we could dump Uggla for a left fielder, put Prado at 2B, and give Francisco a chance at 3B.
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Uggla is not going anywhere. No one would take his salary on because of the season he had last year.
jojo blanks
November 30th, 2012
2:39 pm
I thught it said Morse was left field too. What about him? Although nats would never trade w/us direct. He was clutch for nats last yr.
what you eat for breakfast?
November 30th, 2012
2:39 pm
use the 4 million extra for Hamilton, Wright, Texirea, Stephens, or Tori Hunter
kerryb
November 30th, 2012
2:40 pm
BJ Upton is a baller
November 30th, 2012
2:38 pm
trade for him. kerry b
I will give the braves some money for it.
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Have some amount of sense before you comment on a blog.
Puma
November 30th, 2012
2:42 pm
Some people are forgetting that many players, EOF, Venters, Prado, Heyward, Meds and Janish are all due raises in arbitration plus we only have 3 bench guys on roster right now by my count, Francisco, Janish and Laird. (this assumes they keep Janish which I hope they do). So not all of that $10-15 million is actually available to sign another player.
I am also still pulling for Prado to get the extension he sooo deserves.
JoeBravesFan
November 30th, 2012
2:42 pm
I like the idea of trading for Moustakas to play 3B and leaving Prado in LF. Although, if we can get rid of Uggly, put Prado back at 2nd and get a speedy LFer. Unfortunately, I don’t see Uggly going anywhere with his salary and production (or lack thereof).
BladeMDP
November 30th, 2012
2:42 pm
Stinger, you must be wearing blinders to consider Hanson “good.” I would put Tommy “degradation of velocity” Hanson in the same boat as some guy name Jurrgens. He’s got a dead arm, combined with horrible mechanics, and is fading fast. You give him up, a Boras client at that (and we know how that goes with the Braves) to get an All-Star closer in return? It’s a no-brainer! Wren obviously knows what he’s doing.
Alex
November 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
Wren waaaaayyy overpaid for Upton so he didn’t have enough $$$ to pick up a quality guy for LF…so his fix, trad away a good middle of the rotation pitcher..to free up enough $$$. Wren is a complete joke!
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Any credibility you might’ve had was lost when you called Hanson a good middle of the rotation pitcher.
Teddy B
November 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
Simmons will be our Ozzie Smith for years, DO NOT TRADE HIM! Great job getting rid of Hanson!! YAY we tricked someone into taking him! This guy gets stolen on more than anyone else with his slow delivery, plus his velocity is dropping like crazy every season. Good riddance!
Teddy B
November 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
Simmons will be our Ozzie Smith for years, DO NOT TRADE HIM! Great job getting rid of Hanson!! YAY we tricked someone into taking him! This guy gets stolen on more than anyone else with his slow delivery, plus his velocity is dropping like crazy every season. Good riddance!
jojo blanks
November 30th, 2012
2:43 pm
Spend the 4 mil on buying the scouts from the Marlins. If they all haven’t quit in discuss by now.
RBI
November 30th, 2012
2:44 pm
Active baseball blog for November!
Do the Braves have any more players represented by Boras? If so, I agree it is time to stop dealing with him.
redhotsports
November 30th, 2012
2:44 pm
I applaud Wren for this move! Hanson had not improved a single facet of his game. He couldn’t get out of 6th inning, he couldn’t hold runners, couldn’t handle a bat, and couldn’t field his position. He added no value to the Braves when his spot can be taken by Delgado or Teheran.
Finding a Left Fielder will be interesting. Glad to see Wren and Braves being proactive.
Puma
November 30th, 2012
2:45 pm
I could envision Uggs getting traded around trade deadline, but not sure the Braves are looking to unload him yet. Guy could still hit 250 and hit 30+ HRs easy next year. This team suddenly has a lot of power.
Charlie Kerfeld
November 30th, 2012
2:47 pm
Hanson looked promising a couple of years ago, but at this point- I doubt he’ll ever pan out. He lost velocity on his fastball, and got killed because he threw a mediocre fastball up in the strike zone.
Braves Fan Since 1966
November 30th, 2012
2:47 pm
They always intended to dump Hanson, but what did the Braves REALLY get for him? It looks more like we gave away a starter for another team’s problem/flop. That this Walden char-acter is going to return to his 2011 form seems like a pipe dream. Bravos maybe could have done as well to just have taken Hansen off the 40 man roster and have him go away in the rule 5 draft. As it is, some of the choice players in the minors are headed to Arizona and Detroit in the rule 5
draft. Can’t protect them now…
brian
November 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
I know we need to fill that LF spot and this provides more cash to do so. However, any chance they look at trying to sign Greinke as he has shown a desire to play in Atlanta before. The Braves always go pitching first.
Josh
November 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
Guys, we are still looking for a lead off hitter. The Braves have made it known they plan on using B.J. Upton in the middle of the line up. Maybe, they did this trade to free up more money to resign Michael Bourn? Think about it. Bourn in Center, Upton in left and Heyward in right and move Prado to third. This would be a great move by Wren if this is his intentions.
DixieBrave
November 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
I like this trade alot. Great Move by Wren.
BravesFanInMaine
November 30th, 2012
2:49 pm
Where is DOB we need updates man!!
RBI
November 30th, 2012
2:51 pm
The Braves claimed right-hander David Carpenter off of waivers from the Red Sox. Why did they do that?
JoeBravesFan
November 30th, 2012
2:51 pm
This move, like DOB said, was to drop payroll…plain and simple. Hanson was awful and was blessed with good run support, which was the reason he got as many wins as he did. His velocity was dropping and ANYONE could steal on him. If we get the Walden from 2011, that’s a bonus, but this was STRICTLY a salary dump to free up money to pursue a speedy left fielder.
jojo blanks
November 30th, 2012
2:52 pm
who will now be our starters?
Huddy,Meds,and ….?
Bravothusiast
November 30th, 2012
2:52 pm
Hanson’s average velocity, for those wondering:
Fastball
2010 – 92.7mph
2011 – 91.1mph
2012 – 89.6mph
Slider
2010 – 84.1mph
2011 – 81.7mph
2012 – 80.9mph
FW was not going to make another Jurrjens-type mistake with Tommy. The writing was on the wall.
JNick
November 30th, 2012
2:52 pm
Addition by subtraction….great trade. Getting ANYTHING in return for Hanson is a good move.
ATL Insider
November 30th, 2012
2:53 pm
I think the next move is Randal Delgado to KC for Alex Gordon.
rbt
November 30th, 2012
2:53 pm
Now will all of you who thought that Tommy Hanson would net Wil Myers for the Braves please realize that to get something you actually have to give something?
JNick
November 30th, 2012
2:54 pm
jojo, read the article:
The Braves had a surplus of starting pitching, and Hanson would have likely needed to beat out prospects Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado for the fifth spot in the rotation if he hadn’t been traded. The Braves’ first four starters are set with Kris Medlen, Tim Hudson and left-handers Mike Minor and Paul Maholm
kman
November 30th, 2012
2:56 pm
Hanson is doomed for a short career as he is too much of an arm pitcher. Should be a positive move, but nothing is certain in the realm of MLB pitching.
bravo-n-knoxville
November 30th, 2012
2:57 pm
if frank doesn’t trade ahmed, teheran, francisco, & venters to d-backs for j upton, then snag choo of the indians for a WHOLE lot less! choo has a higher career OBP & OPS and he would probably only cost us either aaron northcraft or avery moore and matt lipka for the braves to acquire. he is a FA after 2013 and the indians have stated they can’t pay out the necessary funds to re-sign him after next season. look up choo’s numbers…see what you think?
Amber Girl
November 30th, 2012
2:59 pm
I like this move. Great job. Still not convinced he is going after Lf.
jojo blanks
November 30th, 2012
2:59 pm
BIG SORRY to my boy MIKEY MINOR and my forgotten one BIG BEACHY!
When Beach gets back we’ll roll.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Bravothusiast
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
Forgot about Choo. That would be a nice addition.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
evan
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
If they want a SS give them Pastornicky along with Teheran or Delago for Justin Upton.
Robert ( chi-town)
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
The only way the Braves stay competitive with the Nats is to improve the offense. To do that you must target an Upton, Stanton or Gordon to be your left fielder. Package the extra arms your not gonna be using and go get one of those three guys! I think Frank is leaning in that direction, with out giving up Simmons.
Lowcountry Brave
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
I like this deal. If we get the other Upton, I may die of happiness before the season even starts.
BladeMDP
November 30th, 2012
3:01 pm
Funny, the only other player on our team that Boras represents is our new catcher, Laird.
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:03 pm
Walden had a bicep problem not a back problem and very likely could return to form…. Great move by Frank to dump$ and get a decent return. Now package Walden, Ahmed and Teheren and possibly another prospect for Justin …. I think that is a package the Dbacks could look at
jojo blanks
November 30th, 2012
3:04 pm
Forgot about the Braves since I got concusshion on OCT. 5,2012.
Just got up off the deck.
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:07 pm
Amber Girl – you said you are in New South Wales… Where exactly?
the truth
November 30th, 2012
3:09 pm
Now that Hanson is gone. Can the truth finally be told about his one car ( truck ) spring training wreck? To miss a whole week of spring training over a low speed accident. ??????? That incident smelled from the begining. Covered up like it was Chappaquiddick.
Yuuup
November 30th, 2012
3:12 pm
People, look at the breakdown of the Upton deal. It is back loaded and it doesn’t even hit the 15 million range until year 3. At that point McCann will more than likely be gone, Uggla will be coming up to the end of his contract, if he is even still here. Wren did that part right, we should have about 12 million left to spend to take care of LF and fill out our bench and bullpen. We will get someone good for LF, I would almost bet on that.
Just Wanna Say
November 30th, 2012
3:13 pm
Not a leadoff guy, but apparently Morse is available from the Nats. Certainly provides even more hitting form the right side. I don’t think he is great defensively, but he sure would provide another presence in the lineup.
Just Wanna Say
November 30th, 2012
3:13 pm
Not a leadoff guy, but apparently Morse is available from the Nats. Certainly provides even more hitting form the right side. I don’t think he is great defensively, but he sure would provide another presence in the lineup.
Yuuup
November 30th, 2012
3:15 pm
Almost forgot, with dumping Hanson, the Braves will have closer to about 16 million to spend on a LF’er, bullpen, and bench. We will end up with a very good LF’er, or Wren might surprise us and trade for a very good 3rd basemen and keep Prado in LF.
Fan In Tampa
November 30th, 2012
3:17 pm
Excellent move. Hanson’s best days are behind him. More injuries and diminsihed results are ahead for TH. Likely he will be out of baseball in a few years.
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:17 pm
I know its popular to bash Wren on here but you got to give the man credit he is definitely active and has been since his arrival. And that makes the hot stove season for Braves fan fun and makes the offseason go just that little bit faster…. Come On Opening Day !
jax
November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
How does his HELP the Braves go deep in PlkyOffs in 2013 ?
About even at best – I think Wren and Freddi just wanted to get rid of a fair Pitcher with a major
mental problem(s)- 1st Inning ! Man on First ! Home run Balls !Shake off David Ross ?????
New Guy did not do much this year but McDougal must have seen some potential – Look for Maholm to be real effective ib 2013-Beachy will come back August 1st and be TOP NL PITCHER AGAIN -By Playoff Time, Braves have best P{itching Staff in ALL MLB.
Stop with the SIMMONS trade talk- he is part of Braves Future withMartin, Freddy and Jason-the new CF Upton has a lot to prove – I like Prado in Left and an in shape, new attitude Francisco (real raw power and ability) at 3B
Joey
November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
Crazy that the two pitchers who were supposed to anchor this staff for the next . . . well, until they were due big money from the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Phillies, are now gone.
Even more crazy, both lost fast ball velocity a big way, still in their mid-20’s.
I would love to hear from a scout or somebody who can explain that type of (to me) phenomenon.
Amber Girl
November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
@mid wicket South Sydney suburb Marlboro.
jax
November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
How does his HELP the Braves go deep in PlkyOffs in 2013 ?
About even at best – I think Wren and Freddi just wanted to get rid of a fair Pitcher with a major
mental problem(s)- 1st Inning ! Man on First ! Home run Balls !Shake off David Ross ?????
New Guy did not do much this year but McDougal must have seen some potential – Look for Maholm to be real effective ib 2013-Beachy will come back August 1st and be TOP NL PITCHER AGAIN -By Playoff Time, Braves have best P{itching Staff in ALL MLB.
Stop with the SIMMONS trade talk- he is part of Braves Future withMartin, Freddy and Jason-the new CF Upton has a lot to prove – I like Prado in Left and an in shape, new attitude Francisco (real raw power and ability) at 3B
NCMike
November 30th, 2012
3:20 pm
Was just thinking about this type of move yesterday. How about you now move Maholm for another prospect, and then sign Greinke? Should have the money for that with these moves. Constanza in LF for a lineup of Constanza, Prado, Heyward, Upton, Freeman, Uggla, McCann/Laird/Gattis, Simmons. Rotation of Greinke, Hudson, Meds, Minor and Delgado/Teheran.
Seems like a pretty solid team to me. Thoughts???
blk ppl
November 30th, 2012
3:21 pm
get justin upton to complete the all blk outfield. then, baseball won’t have seen an outfield that dark since baseball was played without lights.
cornjolio
November 30th, 2012
3:21 pm
TRADE UGGLA !
No Flag Since Lemke
November 30th, 2012
3:22 pm
Good move but it hardly offsets overpaying Upton and letting Span be swiped under our noses for a Single A pitcher.
Joey
November 30th, 2012
3:22 pm
Amber Girl, you called this move earlier this morning (Braves dealing for a pitcher).
So, what’s next?
wisher
November 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
i dont think we need to be looking at trades that involve delgado or teheran because we might need them, right now one of them is our number 5 starter and the other will get playing time in bigs this year because somebody will get hurt
ryan
November 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
Josh Hamilton would be something seems once Chipper retired that allowed the Braves some flexibility finally making some noise .
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:24 pm
Amber Girl – I live on the Gold Coast. Have been here for 13 years. How long have you been down under?
Joey
November 30th, 2012
3:27 pm
“I like Prado in Left and an in shape, new attitude Francisco (real raw power and ability) at 3B”
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I like that too jax. Francisco impressed me greatly last season as a starter, and he’s workin on his weight. He honestly may hit 25 homers as an everyday player.
I won’t be unhappy if Wren stops right now. Save that $$ for a rainy day (in June?)
drbasic1
November 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
@kerryb
I love how you talk DAWGS and I support you 110%….but I live here in Texas (UGA Alumnus 1981)
and as far as Hamilton is concerned…he is a basket case….we have to hear all the other stuff he does off the field….Great player but tons of baggage the Braves organization does not need.
drbasic1
November 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
@kerryb
I love how you talk DAWGS and I support you 110%….but I live here in Texas (UGA Alumnus 1981)
and as far as Hamilton is concerned…he is a basket case….we have to hear all the other stuff he does off the field….Great player but tons of baggage the Braves organization does not need.
Real Talk
November 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
Braves are in serious contact with a team about a prime player…hold the phones but it sounds like we may be going after a big fish after all…..could be a quick move as soon as next week!!
Ken Stallings
November 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
Good trade for the Braves. Perhaps Hanson can figure out his issues, but I’ve personally lost confidence that he will. The relief pitcher in return further solidifies the Braves in this already strong area.
The prime benefit is reduction of payroll. The Braves now have the room to get a quality outfielder for left field or a third baseman and keep Prado in left field.
drbasic1
November 30th, 2012
3:30 pm
sorry about double post!!
Amber Girl
November 30th, 2012
3:31 pm
@mid wicket- 4 mos. @Joey. Still think 3rd baseman.
Seattle Braves
November 30th, 2012
3:32 pm
Um Bop Hanson is gone.. All will rejoice in streets of Atlanta….
Remember we still have Meds, Huddy, Minor, Paul M, and Del or Teh. PLUS Beachy is coming back aswell.
I see us trying to push a deal for J. Upton, but dont get your hopes up. Victorino or Ross seems like the two will probably end up with. Stop with the Hamilton, its not going to happen.
Lot to be said after we finally get our LF or possible 3rd Base Player..
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:36 pm
Amber Girl, I have not heard of Marlboro in South Sydney… Is it near Campbelltown/ Liverpool? or farther toward Wooloongong.
Heisenberg
November 30th, 2012
3:37 pm
Heisenberg, you really don’t think there is a better #3 (back end rotation) starter than Hanson on the market? – KC @ 2:27
That is not what I think. I have previously said I would non-tender him before giving him a raise via arbitration. Someone else was wondering what the Halos were thinking and that was my best guess.
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:41 pm
I will be in Sydney for New years Eve. Lst time I did that was in 2000 and it was the most fun I think I’ve ever had on NYE.
Heisenberg
November 30th, 2012
3:44 pm
Uggla is not going anywhere. No one would take his salary on because of the season he had last year.
Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams are proof that any contract can be traded. Can Uggla defend the high pick and roll?
toby
November 30th, 2012
3:44 pm
I have to believe the Hanson trade is just a precursor to free up money to make a bigger move for an outfielder,oh lets keep our fingers crossed that the Braves can somehow work out a deal and get J.Upton!!!!! Man what an outfield we would have J.UPTON/BJ. UPTON/J.HEYWARD…….we would be set for the next 8 yrs barring an injury!!
slick
November 30th, 2012
3:48 pm
Heard Hanson was a boozer who liked to hang out at the strip clubs. Getting another pitcher that can bring it 95+ is a good thing.
Real Talk
November 30th, 2012
3:49 pm
First of all Uggla is not going anywhere so stop it….and second we dont want Uggla to go anywhere because he showed signs of coming out of it…we have time if he struggles this year to do something but we will see in year 3 in a different type lineup how he does then make a decision.
Ken Stallings
November 30th, 2012
3:50 pm
Shane Victorino may well be available for the Braves now and would be a good fit I think. With Span now with Philly, Victorino would seem to be the odd man out there.
Mike
November 30th, 2012
3:52 pm
NO! Peter Moylan needs to stay around for one more season!
Yuuup
November 30th, 2012
3:52 pm
DOB,
Don’t the Braves have more than 14 million to spend? I was figuring they had 10 million left after the Upton signing. Then they saved 4 million on the Hanson deal, so that is 14 million. Now with Jurrgens being let go, that should save another few million, so let’s put it at 17 million. Then Upton’s deal was back loaded where he doesn’t hit the 15 million mark until year 3. So I am thinking the Braves will have at least 17 million to spend? Am I right on this?
Real Talk
November 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
@Ken Are you Drunk? Span with Nats and Victorino is not in Philly:} lay the booze down and get some rest dude!!
Real Talk
November 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
@Ken Are you Drunk? Span with Nats and Victorino is not in Philly:} lay the booze down and get some rest dude!!
Heisenberg
November 30th, 2012
3:54 pm
Ken, Victorino was odd man out in Philly last year at the trading deadline. And Span was traded to the Nats. But either way I am not that high on him these days. I think he is at the beginning of a decline.
henry tn
November 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
i would rather have ludwick 26hr 275 avg than victorino 11hr and 255 avg.
BladeMDP
November 30th, 2012
3:55 pm
As much as I can’t stand Boras (Bor-@ss), let’s not forget about Bourn – maybe he won’t get that 15 mil contract he’s counting on, and ends up coming back to the Braves.
mid wicket
November 30th, 2012
3:58 pm
Yuup – I think Jurrjens was always gonna be non tendered so that savings is already being counted. However there is enough $ for FW to have the financial flexibility when or if the asking prices come down on some of our Free Agent targets and gives him room to maneuver for the big splash trade as well.
Rick C
November 30th, 2012
3:59 pm
Yuup, the $10 million was figured with the assumption that Jurrjens would be non-tendered.
Real Talk
November 30th, 2012
3:59 pm
@Blade not going to happen…you’re probably a big Bourn fan but you’ll have to cheer for him in Phiily or San fran…maybe even Texas if they don’t re-sgn Hamilton!!
Braves Fan
November 30th, 2012
4:01 pm
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Southpaw
November 30th, 2012
4:01 pm
Swisher is my first choice. Ichiro could lead off. Nady would work too. B. J.’s brother would be cool, but it’s not going to happen.
BravesFanInNashville
November 30th, 2012
4:01 pm
Bobby Cox could steal off Hanson with Terry Pendelton riding piggyback !
Heisenberg
November 30th, 2012
4:03 pm
A few years ago I would have liked Ludwick, but not now. Heading into mid 30’s and padded stats at Cincy small park. Maybe on a cheap 1 year deal while waiting to see if Gattis can be the man.
Amber Girl
November 30th, 2012
4:03 pm
@midwicket We are 12 kilometers s west of Blaney. Very small. If you want to meet me somewhere in Sydney I will take you. Would be glad to meet a Brave fan.
Brock
November 30th, 2012
4:03 pm
all you Uggla bashers will be eating your words when he hits .250+ and 30+ homers next year.