5:57 pm November 28, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 28th, 20126:47 pm
This is GREAT NEWS. With Upton getting a huge salary, we can tax him to death and pay for my Obamacare, and my free phones that I give away to poor people, and my 2 years of Unemployment Insurance that I give my homies. Taxes are due BJ!
Simmons is not a leadoff hitter guys. Too long of a swing, doesn’t take enough pitches…Of course we may put him there because our decisions are iffy at times. Take today for example!
The only way this deal wont be terrible is if we still get a another real OF somehow to play left.
November 28th, 20126:48 pm
Left Field??? We’ve got Constanza!! He’s fast as can be, great leadoff, and excels in left field. I want GEORGE!!
30-30 guys ?
I can see 150-150 guys, if you mean strikeouts, or popping up with runners on base..
Father of 5
Sam Fuld is a better option — and we could’ve had him for $50M. Wren is a fool.
November 28th, 20126:49 pm
That’s a lot of scratch, baby.
the safe is now empty;
Play ball !
Good move by the Braves, just a little bit tomuch money but B. J Upton is a solid player, Now lets bring Bourn back.
Bourn 5 year 50mill maybe he will take that.
November 28th, 20126:50 pm
Who says BJ has to play CF? Trade for Denard Span to play CF and leadoff. With BJ playing LF he will not wear down with all the extra running he would have to do playing CF. He is a little skinny. He could also focus more on hitting.
Logical Braves Fan
Bourn – .274, 9HR, 57RBI, 42SBs, 155Ks, 70BBs
Upton – .246, 28HR, 78RBI, 31SBs, 169Ks, 45BBs
Braves need run production, and got it. Wren has put a playoff caliber team on the field every single year he has been the Braves’ GM. If you don’t like it, apply for the job to replace him. I am sure the Braves are itching to hire you.
November 28th, 20126:51 pm
DOB, do we know if he has a “no-trade” clause in the contract. My concern about BJ is work ethic. Is he going to work to improve his weaknesses or is he going to feel “I got my money, I’m good”. Remeber his best year was the year after he was sent back to the minors, what’s going to motivate him now?
Bourn at a Scott Boras price would’ve been a stupid move. Look at the team that won the World Series – the Giants. They are a fiscally responsible team and didn’t waste money with overpaying for aging players. Some dumb team will overpay for him like the Angels did for Pujols.
Bad deal. Overpaid for average player that strikes out a ton, average defender, and can b termpermental. Between this deal and Uggla Wren has handcuffed the Braves for years.
You feel that the Braves got no offense with the signing of Upton? I guess I am in a distinct minority, but I like the move. Guys who have the potential to hit 30 homers and steal 30 bases are rare. He is also a right handed power bat who is only reaching his prime at age 28. I heard one of his teammates the other night on the MLB channel saying how Upton came up big in August and September and, if you check, his post season numbers are pretty good like, unlike Swisher for example who has been perfrectly awful in the post season, but apparently is a fan favorite of many on here who are dissing the Upton signing. Then again, what do I know? I was the guy who applauded Wren when he signed Hudson to an extension rather than keep Javier “Career Year’ Vazquez.
November 28th, 20126:52 pm
Bourn struck out a ton also. Bourn is gonna get $100M. If we had signed him, there wouldn’t be much for a LF. We are going to get a pretty decent guy for LF too.
November 28th, 20126:53 pm
A move has really helped some players get out of their slump. A new environment can really change a player’s perspective. If we can get BJ to listen to our batting coaches, he should provide some solid batting for a number of years. Now, if we can land either Pagan, Victorino, or Span for LF….
B.J. Upton ain’t that young, folks. He’ll turn 29 next year. That OBP trend is bad. He could turn it around, but we’re not paying him $15 mil a year to turn anything around.
Hip-hip-hooray!!!! Go Bravos!
If Bourn not comeback then plug Constanza right in there at LF
November 28th, 20126:54 pm
Any chance the Braves put together a package for Justin Upton and use him in left field?
If the Braves can get Victorino for $10 million or less, it might be worth it to add a lead off hitter, but the next move the Braves should make is to lock up Heyward a la Longorio and extend Prado. There is not a lot of money lef to keep the guys you want and still go fishing for more. I’m OK with Prado in left and Francisco at 3B or Gattis in left and Prado at third . Gatis seems to be able to hit at each level and could give Gomes-like production or better in LF next year, but I’m not sure about his defense. A slimmer Francisco with the hitch in his swing ironed out could give as much or more production at 3B than Cody Ross say would give in LF. Lock up the talent we Have!!!.
November 28th, 20126:55 pm
Go Braves !! Now trade for Justin
our offense WILL lead the NL in SO’s next year, mark it down…yay…good move Frank Wren…yay Braves…there Booby’s Cox, ya happy now?
So we gave up our first round draft pick for B.J. Upton, who is himself considered a bust lol oh my goodness this is terrible.
November 28th, 20126:56 pm
this is the guy that will replace Chipper Jones ?
Braves = sinking ship
November 28th, 20126:57 pm
WE DO NOT NEED JUSTIN UPTON. No way no how, not worth trading all our young pitchers and a SS. Forget about Justin please..
Sambo 4 Rambo
Good move. Not great, but good! He has a strong arm and can cover a lot of ground. Adds the big bat on the right side that we reeeally needed. We have some good trade bait that we need to start dangling over there in Arizona, you know that the brothers would love to play together! Justin, BJ, Jason in the outfield!! Is all i want for christmas!!
@A-Ville Ranger upton has been a .300 .386OBP 82 RBI man
November 28th, 20126:59 pm
a platoon in LF with Diaz & Schafer is the way to go.
Sonny B. Layne
November 28th, 20127:00 pm
Upton & Uggla can’t hit .500 w/their averages added together, but if they try try may be able to move up to 400 strikeouts. Didn’t the braves have a problem with strikeouts last year?
I Hope yhis is not another UGGLA
November 28th, 20127:01 pm
This might be the potential line up
1. CONSTANZA LF
2. SIMMONS SS
3. PRADO 3B
4. HEYWARD RF
5. FREEMAN 1B
6. B.J UPTON CF
7. UGGLA 2B
8. MCCANN CATCHER
Enter .298 OBP. 14th worst in the Majors. Are you kidding me? 169 strikeouts last year? That’s 6th in the entire Major Leagues! That’s more than Dan Uggla! Is this a joke? Welcome back Jeff Franceour, just at $15,000,000 per year for 5 years.
November 28th, 20127:02 pm
The Braves new hitting coaches certainly helped Jason Heyward turn things around last year. Jason’s approach was so much more sound than 2011. Let’s let these coaches help BJ re-think his approach at the plate the way they did Heyward and see what happens. Even if he could trade some strikeouts for walks it could translate to getting better pitches to hit. Sometimes small adjustments make big differences…
The Braves still have lot’s of pitching left to trade so they might be able to solve the other positions without spending big free agent dollars. Don’t have anything sound to base this on but I have a hunch that we’ll see the Braves trade either McCann or Uggla or both this winter and they’ll end up with either Justin Upton or Headley on this team with Prado back at 2b for good. Just a hunch..
Nice acquisition…so any chance that Simmons can fit the role as a lead-off hitter?
November 28th, 20127:03 pm
Bat him 6th in lineup behind Freeman and Uggla. Need a lead off hitter. Alex Gordon?? Starting line up could be 1. Gordon 2. Prado 3. Heyward 4. Uggla 5. Freeman 6. Upton 7. Simmons/McCann 8. Bethancourt/Simmons/Laird. Sounds good to me
Whiner @ 6:38
Hey Barack Obama @ 6:38…. you lost. Get used to it. More people than not, do not agree with you.
Continue to carry your rich friends testes.
We won. You lost. Deal with it cry baby
If I’m not mistaking, the Braves cannot afford Justin Upton in addition to BJ. The idea of that trade is gone. We’ll have to settle for a 4 – 10 MM player by trade. .
November 28th, 20127:05 pm
The market must really be horrible. His homers, RBIs, strike outs, and BA are BS.
November 28th, 20127:09 pm
The sames ones on here praising this move will be the same ones next summer condemning it.
A very poor acquisition in the same league as Derek Lowe and Dan Uggla.
Overpayment for mediocrity.
Bizarro Bob Horner
It’s moron alert on the old blog today.
whats da next piece we can still get Span or Fowler n put upton in left right i like move no matter what
November 28th, 20127:10 pm
Here we go again
November 28th, 20127:13 pm
Its gonna be one UGGLY summer in Atlanta !
A real stupid move! Now we have two over-paid 240 average hitters in the lineup!!! Just plain stupid!! They can bat 7 and 8 in the lineup
Brandon. you’re looking at what Upton did for 1 season when he was 22 years old, that was 6 years ago. He hasn’t been that player in a long time. He’s only 28 but he’s trending worse and worse. This is a shot in the dark prayer of a move at best. Thing is, we might not have 30 million to work with again and Wren pissed it away.
Quint in ATL
I hope Frank Wren knows more about baseball than I do. With this signing, though, I am afraid he will make me look like a genius!
November 28th, 20127:14 pm
The Giants just won another championship with a lineup that is inferior to the Braves’. If this lineup can contain the k’s, then it has a decent mix of speed, power, and situational hitting.
The bottom line is whether or not this lineup is good enough to win a championship? I think the answer the answer is yes.
It would behoove the Braves to see if they can find a starter that can last beyond the middle innings.
Gang we will have to see how the rest of the winter goes before we can judge if this a good or bad move may be a stepping stone. I for one can see something else brewing. Next week will tell the tale
remember, turner fields dimensions were created to prolong the careers of glavine schmolt, maddux and avery. it’s a pitchers park. upton’ll hit <6 homers at home in 13.
Lineup – Uggla batting cleanup? Mr. LOB?
November 28th, 20127:15 pm
Brave in Nashville,
If Frank Wren can get some other GM to take Uggla AND his salary that would make him Executive of the Year. I don’t think you trade Uggla AND his salary and get a useful player back in return this year. (I would like to see Prado at 2B too)
Upton has had attitude problems – if I remember correctly. This a risky signing. Nice upside potential but let’s temper the spin we will hear from the Wren acolytes over the next week or so. He hit .246 in an offensive league. How will he handle a steady diet of NL stuff.
November 28th, 20127:16 pm
Great move. Locked up CFer that many teams were trying to sign. Gives us additional right handed power, very good defensive center fielder and speed on the basepaths. I seriously do not understand the negative knee jerk reaction of many of the fans. If FW had waited and lost out on the best available free agents there would have been moaning and groaning about never pulling the trigger and not spending money. All the other FAs have their share of issues: Hamilton-age/price/durability/off-field issues;Pagan-age/career year last year; Bourn-age/Boras/price/strikes out/declining speed with age in long term contract etc.
It seems like many on this blog expect the perfect player at every position. No team has this. McCann has a bad year, mainly because of injury, and the masses are ready to run him out of town. There are only a few clubs that would not trade their catcher even up for McCann today-even with his shoulder surgery. Catchers that can put up his offensive #s are RARE.
I am excited about the Braves in 2013. Even without knowing our LFer(assuming Prado at 3rd) I would stack our lineup against almost any other club. And except for Uggla they are all on the sunny side of 30. We are deep in SP and our BP is stacked. Come on guys! The team is looking good. Did some of you expect FW to sign 20 year old Willie Mays? What more do you want?
I know that all of you Braves fans have heard by now that I signed B.J.Upton for $15 million per year for 5 years. You may be asking– why? Why, so much for B.J.? Well, it is simple. I love 240 hitters and I really like to overpay them. I also love to lock the Braves into those over payments for long periods of time. Make sense?
Braves Fan 80
How did D Lowe and Ugglas big contracts work out?In hindsight I say not worth it.I expect Uptons to turn out the same way.
The potential power numbers are nice, but let’s face facts; adding yet another sub-.250 bat which also strikes out a lot isn’t exactly likely to spark a lineup already known for going on lengthy anemic streaks. Perhaps he’ll do better with the Braves, but recent history (McLouth, Uggla) suggests otherwise. The Braves just committed to another high-risk, fat guaranteed contract, and that has had a way of biting them badly in recent years.
I still hold out hope that Wren will be willing to part with one or two pitching prospects (and/or Hanson) to land a long-term, more likely to be viable production solution (such as Myers), at least as opposed to spending more money on high-priced players who won’t benefit Atlanta’s needs nearly as much.
November 28th, 20127:17 pm
BJ Upton is a career .255, not .240
November 28th, 20127:19 pm
Giants lineup inferior to the Braves?
On paqper perhaps, but on the field they looked pretty darn good. They got 2-strike hits, bunted smartly, got the runner home from 3rd with less than 2 outs, maded the pitcher throw a lot of pitches, and put the ball in play.
People keep referring to Uptons potential.For 15 million a year you should be getting a proven commodity not potential.
Moron on the Blog
Has the moron alert gone off yet?
November 28th, 20127:20 pm
Don’t be surprised if Uggla is traded to the American League.
Jeff Loria, Marlins' owner
You didn’t learn your lesson with Dan Uggla?
Wren needs his urine checked.
Between Uggla & Upton, and Fredi leading the charge, I predict you’ll be fighting it out with us for last place.
Off to the bank …
Does this mean that two Ugglas on a team is better than having just one?
Jim…… The Dodgers are the only team that comes to mind that might be a good fit for Uggla. They are willing to overpay right now to put a great team on the field. The Braves just paid $15 Million for a player with a worse OBP than Uggla. The market has changed and finding potential offense as 2B is not easy. Just saying there might be a taker out there for Uggla that believes he can turn it around at hit 30Hrs and drive in 90 or better. I agree there aren’t many teams that can do it but the Dodgers just might be takers on this.
Dawgdad (The Original)
November 28th, 20127:21 pm
What is it Fredi says about keep the line moving. Well, that is going to be tough with four strikeout machines out of 9 in the lineup. This is another D Lowe/Uggla bad decision, overpaid for too many years.
I didn’t want him back, but Franceour’s OBP and BA are better than Uptons and could have been had for much less money, I believe.
The Green Monster
Turner Field is not exactly homerun friendly.
Look for Upton’s “power” to decrease in the NL
November 28th, 20127:22 pm
If Wren did nothing everyone would be yelling.
We got a man younger than Bourn and a ton more power.
Need a run in the bottom of the 9th.
Bourn and his speed or Upton and his power???
No brainer!!! Looking forward to an exciting year!!
Reading these blog comments, I think most of the people on here are either autistic, or retarded.
November 28th, 20127:24 pm
FW has exactly TWO players signed to long term contracts-Uggla(3 more years and) and Upton. Have any of you actually checked other teams and how much they have locked up and for how long? Makes FW look quite coservative. If you are not willing to pass out a long term contract you are not going to EVER sign a quality FA.
FW has exactly TWO players signed to long term contracts-Uggla(3 more years and) and Upton. Have any of you actually checked other teams and how much they have locked up and for how long? Makes FW look quite conservative. If you are not willing to pass out a long term contract you are not going to EVER sign a quality FA.
FW has exactly TWO players signed to long term contracts-Uggla(3 more years) and Upton. Have any of you actually checked other teams and how much they have locked up and for how long? Makes FW look quite conservative. If you are not willing to pass out a long term contract you are not going to EVER sign a quality FA.
OH great now a BJ with the already hug fest in the dug out!
November 28th, 20127:25 pm
One thing is always a guarantee when you read a Braves blog. You can NEVER make a Braves fan happy. At 28 and going into his 7th full season he is about to hit his prime. He’ll probably hit as many homers as he did last year and that will be 3 times as many as Bourn did last season.
November 28th, 20127:26 pm
@NAJEH,WELL MADDUX 3 CY YOUNGS AFTER SIGNING WITH BRAVES,AND TERRY PENDELTON,MVP AFTER SIGNING WITH BRAVES.People that want to complain can find another team,Wren went and got one of the best FA available,quit bitching or find another team,What did you want to go with costanza in CF IN 2013???????yOU hit on some and you miss on some,if they had not signed anybody this offseason people would have b*tched about that!!!! all we need is a decent LF with a little pop and we.ll be a contender again!
I’m a longtime Braves fan, trying to be excited about this trade. I will admit though that thus wasn’t the splash I thought they would make. Price seems high for an under 250 batting average hitter. Does Wren know something we don’t?
@ji, the point is that the Braves can win with what they have. The idea that one needs a bunch of superstars to win in baseball has been proven false-just ask the Yankees.The Braves have the talent and it is up to them to execute. No one or two signings is going to change the need to execute.
longtimefan. you have to look at how Upton is trending. Calling him a .240 hitter might be generous considering the slide he’s on. There is NOTHING about his stats to make me think he’ll be anything more than a black hole in the lineup with occasional pop. He is a walking rally killer. He’s the anti-moneyball king.
The thing about you bunch of bitchin A-holes, is that if Upton is productive we’ll never hear from you again. Ignorant jerks!!!!!!!!!!
November 28th, 20127:28 pm
Brandon and Zac – stats for last two years for Bourn and Upton
PA G AB R H BA 2b 3b hr rbi so sb bb obp ops
Upton 2011 640 153 560 82 136 243 27 4 23 81 161 36 71 331 799
Bourn 2011 722 158 624 96 171 294 34 10 2 50 140 61 53 .349 734
Upton 2012 633 146 573 79 141 246 29 3 28 78 169 31 45 298 752
Bourn 2012 703 155 624 96 171 274 26 10 9 57 155 42 70 348 739
Except for homeruns, Upton stats are inferior to Bourn’s. Put outs, hits, walks, sb, runs, ba, etc., etc., etc.
I don’t make comments from knee jerk thoughts. I research the stats before I make an exclamation such as, “What in the h@ll was Wren thinking?”
Can you say Ron Gant with less power?
Hey Fredi. Does this mean that I’m not going to be invited to Spring Training?
November 28th, 20127:31 pm
The stats were in line on my site. They shifted when they posted. Also, Upton did also have more RBIs, which would be expected when hitting men on base, as opposed to Bourn hitting when nobody on base.
Upton may hit better in the NL because the starting pitchers are out of the game earlier in close games meaning that the hitters don’t have as many at bats against Aces. He also won’t be facing the pitching from the AL East. I would think he’ll hit a few points higher and maybe top 30 home runs for the first time in his career this year.
Homer the Brave
That’s a lot of money for one BJ.
November 28th, 20127:32 pm
If things go well Heyward and Upton will push each other to be superstars. If things go bad then they will both pout and be a boil on the team fanny.
I like the signing.
First, it sends a message that Wren will do what it takes to compete.
Second, it leaves open a number options for the meetings next week. Do the Braves try to trade for the brother? Do they trade for a CF and move BJ to LF? Personally, I like the combination of speed and power which BJ brings to the team.
Third, Trade Uggla? Now that BJ is a true right handed power threat what does Uggla bring the table? Eat some of the Uggla contract like we did with Lowe. Move Prado back to second which is really his natural position.
Fourth, sign Shane or trade for a true CF. Shane has two or three solid years left.
Finally, please note that MB had almost as many K’s as BJ. But nearly not as many Homers.
Good luck in Nashville.
November 28th, 20127:33 pm
I called it a month ago. Upton, Victorino and Heyward!
November 28th, 20127:34 pm
Previous largest Braves free-agent contract was Lowe’s 4-year, $60 million deal. This one’s five years, $72.25 million.
November 28th, 20127:35 pm
Uggla,and Minor or Medlen to KC for Myers and Francouer and let Ahmed play 2nd and leadoff….
Freeman is not a 6 or 7 hitter! He is a 4 or 5 guy. He will be our run producer this year!
November 28th, 20127:39 pm
jimmy, you’d really give up Medlen, our best pitcher, to get Francouer back? You gotta be kidding.
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