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Brava
November 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
Oh, that made me laugh, DOB.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
scoots, if you had phrased it keeping TenneseePaul in mind this way:
So, a Medlen-for-minor-league-Freeman trade would have been out of the question?
You surely would of gotten a different answer from him. It’s that Heyward part that got him whacked out. Thoughts of a .329 OBP over his age 21 and 22 year old seasons. All that jazz.
George_George
November 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
LENTZ is wrong 99% of the time, but I don’t see that what he says should ban him.
Peter R.
November 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
Gah, I just saw something on MLB Trade Rumors that the Braves have called the Rocks about Dexter Fowler. Yuck. Not him, sign f***ing Victorino, for Christ’s sake. The Braves should get drastic instead of sitting around hoping McCann’t and Fuggly can bounce back. At least we didn’t give Fuggly or McCann more money. At the time they got the contracts they both looked like potential bargains. Or maybe Fowler (he’ll probably have an ops around .725ish if they get him, if lucky with 10-15 sbs) + Hamilton then the Braves might be in business, then they would need to make more trades to get a right handed hitter. Eh, just a thought. Fowler + say Swisher or someone through a trade might not put us over 94 wins. Gonna take something more. At the least the Mets and Marlins will such next year. I would put money on that. Can the Phils brake the .500 mark, probably. They’ll be tough if Howard and Utley produce. With the right couple signings they could be back on top folks. With how tough and highly rated the Nationals are, the Braves are going to have to hope that everyone has a bounce back year and that everyone who is young lives up to their potentials for this to work out. The Braves are always liable to disappoint in the off-seasons, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they get a good player + a mediocre position player and just wait until the 2013 off-season to make some more moves for the future. Maybe it’s a money issue with them worried about the future with their apparent reluctance to trade a starting pitcher.
Nowhere man
November 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Season ticket holders should always be able to give their opinions as well as anyone else. We are the ones that receive the letters in the off season from FW and company telling us what went wrong and what they plan to do in the future.
FW has made some good deals but his overall body of work has been poor.
Lew
November 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
Is he back already?
JoeBrave
November 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
Nachos and beer!!! Love the girlyman catfights here.
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
DOB, how much does being a T00LMAKER for Braves management on the side pay?
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Both Vazquez trades
Uggla trade
Bourn trade
Those were three awesome ones from Frank. And he kept the right prospects his entire tenure. Soriano for Chaves, Tex for Kotchman/Marek and the one year deal for 41 year old Tom Glavine while giving up a first rounder stand out as really poor ones.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
You surely would of gotten a different answer from him.
Nope. Just as I was with Andy Marte, I was with Heyward and Freeman. I looked forward to seeing what they could do. But I’d be cautious building a contender (or competitive team) by depleting pitching for an unproven stick.
Besides, I think we all know that one argues repeatedly for an “elite walker” to bat second so as to propel the team into the post-season while simultaneously holding a very reasonable expectation of a .319 OBP followed by a a .329 OBP. … all that Jazz.
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
DOB- Just a character we made up to remind people how bad things could be. It makes us all more thankful.
Characters like that seem to exist in too many places. Always criticizing and complaining, and never offering any constructive alternatives or solutions. Their plummeting self-esteem can only be helped by tearing down others and defecting attention away from their own lack of ability.
Anyway, I obviously do not like the Braves’ financial picture for the long term. This outlook makes me cringe at the thought of signing B.J. Upton to a premium contract. I also cringe at the idea of trading young starting pitching for someone like Myers. Murph makes a compelling argument to the contrary, but I just think the Braves should not risk their pitching strength so that they can remain competitive as their comparative financial resources dwindle.
Wren has an incredibly difficult job, especially this winter. If the choices he makes work, the Braves probably will be very competitive for a playoff spot and maybe more in the near future. If not, the seemingly inevitable decline may start sooner.
brian
November 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Whether we sign upton or not, Span seems like he would be a good fit for our OF and leadoff needs
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Efrim, how can you say the Uggla trade was a good one? Paying him $13 mil in each of 2011 and 2012? For what, the 30 game hit streak he had? Do you even know how bad his stats were in the other 270 games he played in the past two years?
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
What is a toolmaker? Is that an insult?
My father is a pretty good carpenter. I bet DOB can install some serious crown molding.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
I think that was the fastest street cleaning I’ve witnessed. (not including the days when the sick was determined to vomit repeatedly)… I pulled up the page, read through, made a comment it re-posted and all I saw were the traces of cleanliness. Kudos DOB. Kudos.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Pretty sure the repeated cleansing will continue today…
David O'Brien
November 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Braves have indeed discussed Fowler with Rockies. And Span with Twins, and plenty of other trade targets and free agents. Many options, they want to make sure they don’t end up with none.
As for Fowler, I’m mixed on him. He can do a lot of things from the leadoff spot with his speed, and there aren’t many guys like that available. Not to mention he also plays CF, so he fits the Braves in that regard (if they don’t get Upton).
Fowler’s great disparity in home/road splits is alarming, no doubt. But from talking to players over the years who either played at Coors or have discussed the matter with friends who played there, the Coors effect can be both a huge positive at home and work against hitters on the road. By that I mean, some guys go play for the Rockies and gradually alter their swing and approach, they get aggressive to take advantage of Coors Field and its wide expanses in the outfield and the thin air that makes balls travel farther. They make little adjustments, and then go on the road and are off their game a bit, quite a bit in the cases of some players.
Some good hitters have left Coors and become better road hitters than they were while playing for the Rockies. Matt Holliday comes to mind. He was a real good road hitter while playing for the Rockies, but got significantly better after leaving Colorado.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
But I’d be cautious building a contender (or competitive team) by depleting pitching for an unproven stick.
I would not hesitate to trade Mike Minor for Wil Myers…..
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
I would not hesitate to trade Mike Minor for Wil Myers…..
Oh, Polished? Yeah, I’d trade him in a flash. I thought we were talking about Medlen. ( :
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
But I’d be cautious building a contender (or competitive team) by depleting pitching for an unproven stick.
There’s caution, and then there’s aversion. I wouldn’t consider the loss of one pitcher, even a very good one, to be “depleting”, and a kid such as Myers is as good a gamble as a team could take.
Please don’t compare Andy Marte to either Heyward or Myers. Marte’s minor league career is similar only in the power displayed. Contact and plate discipline go to the other guys, in spades.
old man
November 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
My good friend Juan Francisco is 3rd in the Dominican league in slugging, 4th in OPS.
Still facing over 50% lefty pitching. Here are his splits:
vs Left .295/ .326/ .545/ .872
vs Right .350/ .426/ .500/ .926
Overall, a 9% BB rate, 27% K rate. These are actually much improved. According to Fangraphs glossary, his BB rate is now slightly above average, and his K rate is slightly above “awful.” That may not sound like much, but it’s a significant improvement over the past 2 weeks.
Theoretically, a fall back position for FW is to use Juan as part of a platoon. So, against RHers, his K% this winter is actually up a bit compared to his overall number, to 28%, but his BB% is 13% against RHers, which according to Fangraphs is slightly above “great.”
So maybe there is a glimmer or two of hope for Mr. Francisco.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
I think Fowler would be a solid player. Three years of control. 26 years old. Seems know how to take a walk, regardless of home/away splits.
I actually think Fowler and Span are good options. I have trouble understanding why some(really just Mark Bowman) feel Span isn’t impact enough but Michael Bourn is. Given the contract that you’ll have to provide Bourn, his potential production, and our assets in pitching, I’d rather fill CF through trade with one of them than to sign Bourn long term.
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
Tumbledown, WTF are you talking about? I’ve offered my solutions a number of times to the Braves problems.
1. Trade Tommy Hanson and Dan Uggla to a team like the Dodgers (who need starting pitching and can absorb Uggla’s contract as “compensation) in return for a “bag of balls and some foul line chalk”. This trade would allow Braves management to move Prado to 2nd.
2. Re-sign Michael Bourn for 6 years, $100 mil. Like it or not, premium lead-off hitters who can cover ground in center field…cost money.
3. Sign Cody Ross to a 3 year/$25 mil contract to play left field. We need some right handed power, especially against the plethora of left handed pitching we seem to face each year.
4. Trade a fringe prospect for the Rangers Michael Young (who will eat a significant part of his contract)…or….trade a legit prospect to the Rangers for Mike Ott. We either get a one year rental for 3rd base…or we get a legit prospect (either way, both players have pop in their bat from the right side).
Braves line-up:
1. Bourn
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Michael Young
5. Freeman
6. Cody Ross
7. Simmons
8. Laird
Yes I am critical. However, I offer solutions also. It’s just that people like you are too blind to see it.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
Marte’s minor league career is similar only in the power displayed. Contact and plate discipline go to the other guys, in spades.
Marte was kinda like Ed Salcedo, minus the hype machine, yes?
Sri
November 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
Let me add to doom and gloom on the blog today. Welcome to bottom 3rd in payroll.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dodgers-send-shock-waves-through-local-tv-landscape/
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
D/O/B the Toolmaker – How could I be referring to you? Aren’t you a new poster? Surely, you have never posted before under another name.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
I actually think Fowler and Span are good options.
You realize that trading for one of those guys makes the FA signing of Swisher or Ross almost a given?
How does that make them look?
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
I wouldn’t be sad with an offseason of Upton and Fowler, but think Wren can do better.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
I wouldn’t consider the loss of one pitcher, even a very good one, to be “depleting”,
On this rotation, I would. There are a lot of short resumes with endurance and longevity question marks on this rotation.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
“I have trouble understanding why some(really just Mark Bowman) feel Span isn’t impact enough but Michael Bourn is.”
Me as well. Span may not steal as many bags, but he has a career OPS of 746. Bourn’s is only 704. Just looking at last season, they have a very similar line. Span hit 283/342/395, Bourn hit 274/348/391.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
Hello everyone! How’s it going! I back from Thankgiving week end, and I think B.J. Upton could very well be a Brave? I checked 3 sources, and they all say Braves are in Hot Persuite of him, and there is a possibility he is leaning towards the Braves, but we will see? I will welcome him, as a Brave.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
Marte was kinda like Ed Salcedo, minus the hype machine, yes?
Well, better than that, LOL. He was strong like bull and it showed in his game. Lotta folks loved that and thought his pitch recognition and plate discipline would come along. Never did.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
Hope your weekend was good, and lots of good food?
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
makes the FA signing of Swisher or Ross almost a given?
I’d think there would be more pressure to get a bigger bat, hence driving away Ross and Swisher. But, with the legit options on the FA market, it’s a moot point. They’re all bad and do little to improve the offense enough to make up for the loss of Chipper and Bourn.
Slowhiteguy
November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
Michael Young and Cody Ross in the same lineup? Not good.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
You realize that trading for one of those guys makes the FA signing of Swisher or Ross almost a given? How does that make them look?
I know you want to trade for a LF banger, and I do too. It’s tough to say what else is out there and available other than Josh Willingham – and I’m not even sure he is available.
Signing Angel Pagan to a three year deal and trading for Josh Willingham is probably the best case scenario for the offseason, imo.
Remarkably, that still gives us pretty good payroll flexibility in future seasons.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
There are a lot of short resumes with endurance and longevity question marks on this rotation.
I don’t really see where the presence or absence of Medlen changes that, to any degree.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
Why do some of you want a guy who doesn’t want to be here? They offered Ross a contract last year and he went somewhere else. F Cody Ross we don’t need him here or want his sorry azz here, he’s washed up.
old man
November 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think this has been mentioned before, but could you organize a boycott of all advertisers on Braves TV broadcasts? It’s probably impractical, but it you could organize it, and advertisers walked away, would that work?
David O'Brien
November 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
Braves are among teams talking to Chad Durbin. He had a 3.10 ERA in a team-high 76 appearances for the Braves, including a 1.84 ERA and .202 opp average in 62 appearances after May 10.
Russell Bell
November 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
Let me add to doom and gloom on the blog today. Welcome to bottom 3rd in payroll.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dodgers-send-shock-waves-through-local-tv-landscape/
Surely the Braves can re-negotiate at some point, given the rapidly changing baseball tv market? Breach contract, duke it out in court?
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
They’re all bad and do little to improve the offense enough to make up for the loss of Chipper and Bourn.
Agreed. So let’s keep the contracts short term….
Frank Wren
November 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Matt Diaz in LF and Jordan Schafer in CF rounds out our 2013 lineup.
We’ll have another Sid Bream bobblehead night, and one for Chipper
when we retire his uniform.
Go out and buy some season tickets !
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Slowhiteguy….Michael Young and Cody Ross would not need to carry our line-up. They would just need to bash left handed pitching…which both have shown they can do well in the past.
We already have Freeman and Heyward (and according to some on here, McCann) who can bash right handed pitching.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
One, Cody Ross is a great team player, and plays hard every game. He can come through with big late inning hits. He still is an interest. Just like Fowler, and Span, but Braves are in Persuite of B.J. Upton, as of now, and it could happen?
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Signing Angel Pagan to a three year deal and trading for Josh Willingham is probably the best case scenario for the offseason, imo.
Doesn’t the hot pursuit of Upton imply that acquiring LF thump is less likely or proving problematic? Or am I just reading too much into that?
P-Town Brave ©
November 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
I would have to imagine I expect Piece #1 for the Braves to drop by Saturday….
Just a hunch…
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
Marte was kinda like Ed Salcedo, minus the hype machine, yes?
Marte had a massive hype machine. Even higher ranked than Myers by BA. He went into his AAA season ranked #9 overall. BoSox traded for him and proclaimed him a corner stone player (then promptly traded him away). He had similar isolated discipline and PA/BB and AB/K rates as Myers. He just never panned out in the majors.
chipl1960
November 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
How does he do it? Maybe he works at a computer factory and he just moves from one to another to another.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
I like B.J. Upton, and I would like his balance of Speed, and Power there.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
I don’t really see where the presence or absence of Medlen changes that, to any degree.
It replaces a short resume with an even shorter resume. As short as Medlen’s tenure is, he is still a veteran compared to the guys who would compete for his open spot.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
There is a rumor that f B.J. is signed? Braves would go after Angel Pagan, as well, but it is a rumor?
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
BravePack(FreeFan)……..Cody Ross washed up? I guess that hitting 22 homers, knocking in 81 RBIs and having an OPS of .807 is “washed up”.
The reason why he didnt come to the Braves last year…was because we low balled him! He wasnt going to take a 1 year/$2 mil contract to play for the Braves.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
He had similar isolated discipline and PA/BB and AB/K rates as Myers.
Are you sure? Seems to me that Marte’s walk rate was always pretty low, whereas Myers’ is much better. I admit I haven’t looked Marte up, though; I’m going on memory.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
“He wasnt going to take a 1 year/$2 mil contract to play for the Braves.”
He took a 1 year/$3MM contract to play for the Red Sox. He said the Braves offered him a two year deal.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
Ages 20 and 21 years for both players… both playing at the same level, AA and AAA
________G___PA__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS_ISOd_P/BB_AB/K_K/BB
Marte 219 0927 .276 .371 .523 .894 .095 07.5 04.2 01.5
Myres 233 1007 .290 .395 .516 .889 .083 08.9 03.9 02.0
abeeeewright
November 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
Murph … ” …and teams with giant TV deals that are going to drive the price of every single FA outfielder up through the roof over the next 5 years.”
I have a feeling that the Time Warner exec who penned this deal was actually counting on the Mayan Apocalypse to save his bacon.
TW Exec: snark. snark. snark. We’re not going to be around past December 2012. That’s 20 years of a deal that we’ll never see.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:48 pm
If I recall correctly, Marte was also considered a solid glove.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
For those talking about a Royals trade. It’s not going to happen. Tampa Bay, and Royals have been in talks, no where mentioned Braves trading with Royals. Maybe Gordon, but it is like dreaming on that one!
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:51 pm
Best move to make would be to get Stanton. Get that guy on this team and I’ll tolerate Schafer appearing in a few ST games.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
Stanton, will not happen either, Miami has said, they will not trade Stanton.
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
abeeeewright – TW Exec: snark. snark. snark. We’re not going to be around past December 2012. That’s 20 years of a deal that we’ll never see.
Ok, now I see a legal theory by which LIberty can challenge the existing TV deal. Contracts are not effective post Mayan Apocalypse as the parties clearly envisioned December 21, 2012, to be the end date of the contract. Wahoo!!! (assuming the Mayan Apocalypse date is wrong, of course)
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
Signing Angel Pagan to a three year deal and trading for Josh Willingham is probably the best case scenario for the offseason, imo.
Please God no.
Sorry Ef I strongly disagree. If this was to happen I would be very disappointed in the Braves offseason and chances for going anywhere during the season next year.
brian
November 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
I know it would be selling low on Hanson right now, but DOB – any idea of what Hanson’s worth seems to be around the league? How do they view him?
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
1:57 pm
That may be the case Ward, but that’s the only scenario I can see which will make me tolerate Schafer on this team in any capacity.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
Are you goofballs still talking about trading Medlen?
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
If I recall correctly, Marte was also considered a solid glove.
My recollection as well.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
I’m thinking of an Angel Pagan, and B.J. Upton, and Heyward out field, and that could happen if Braves can sign B.J. Upton?
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Are you goofballs still talking about trading Medlen?
We were just waiting for you to show up, so we could really get the convo going.
Slowhiteguy
November 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Toolmaker…I hear you, I just think Michael Young is cooked and Cody Ross is exactly that, a platoon guy at best. He mashes lefties, no doubt….but that is about it. Not a good hitter..dead pull and prone to getting long.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
any idea of what Hanson’s worth seems to be around the league? How do they view him?
As a power pitcher with an 88-mph fastball and the slowest move to the plate since Hideo Nomo. I don’t think his value is any higher than Jurrjens was last offseason and we see how that turned out.
raleighbravefan
November 27th, 2012
2:06 pm
Well, this blog proves one thing….Even people who really have a lot of baseball knowledge, like the GMs and team FO, DOB (the best baseball reporter in the business), and the 10% here who really know what they are talking about…can have different…even wildly divergent…opinions about players, and trades, signings, and moves that should be made.
Add the rest of us 90%, and you have absurdity and chaos…but what else are you going to talk about on November 27?
geo
November 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
Frankly, I don’t think the Royals will wind up trading Myers at all. They are asking a lot – rightfully, in my mind – but it’s more than most teams can or will stomach, which is to be expected. Trading a prospect of that ilk virtually never happens, unless he is like Jesus Montero: significant warts and lack of a position. Myers simply doesn’t fit.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
All, I’ll talk later tonight, and good talking. I’m just getting info from the latest to help fill in. I’m open to many possilbilities, and will welcome who we sign, as a Brave, or trade for? Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
2:10 pm
raleighbravefan – I think you mean the blog proves two things: (1) people with true baseball knowledge often disagree; and (2) the rest of us add absurdity and chaos. I agree to both.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
ncscoots,
I’m tired of defending Medlen. I’m just going to join in now. Let’s trade Medlen, Freeman and Prado to the Royals for Myers, Butler and Moustakas.
________ CF
Simmons SS
Heyward RF
Butler 1B
Moustakas 3B
McCann C
Myers LF
Uggla 2B
O'Ventbrel
November 27th, 2012
2:15 pm
I think it would be awesome if the Twins were open to a trade for Ben Revere. Really young, solid OBP and average, super fast, and from the Atlanta area. Unfortunately, I think he might be their CF of the future, especially with that highlight-reel defense and speed.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
2:15 pm
Rumors about a Lester for Myers deal. I bet Lester is about to crap his pants.
ijudgenot
November 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
Noticed that Chone Figgins team outright released him. He is someone Wren could get off the scrap heap to play centerfield. Guy is 34 and had a rough year last year but has hit .300 or near for a number of years before that. He is a switch hitter that if he got his stroke back could leadoff and he would come cheap.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
I think it would be awesome if the Twins were open to a trade for Ben Revere. Really young, solid OBP and average, super fast, and from the Atlanta area. Unfortunately, I think he might be their CF of the future, especially with that highlight-reel defense and speed.
You are correct, and that’s the reason they are trying to trade Span.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Chone Figgins…is someone Wren could get off the scrap heap to play centerfield
Vomit.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Frankly, I don’t think the Royals will wind up trading Myers at all. They are asking a lot – rightfully, in my mind – but it’s more than most teams can or will stomach, which is to be expected.
It’s a risk, no doubt, for the trading partner. A team has to be in the right situation and be willing to pull the trigger, too, and that might take some perfect storm of circumstances.
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Somewhere in South America, Evan Gattis has joined the blog. After reading our posts, he thinks aloud “Do not worry friends. The White Bear commeth soon to solve our right-handed power needs!”
Mike Shannon
November 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
Cornjolio: I want a GM like they have in SF or STL.
Wow. Obvious, yet, astute comment for these boards. Following STL for many years and most of the moves made came out of nowhere—from a fan perspective—and either it worked or didn’t work. M Holliday signing is an example; no fanfare, just all of a sudden he’s brought on board. Edmonds…the same thing. worked the same way. Wake up one morning and hear that 4 players were sent out on a 3-way deal. Most aren’t familiar with any of the new players and they move on. Fans usually aren’t emotionally drawn in to the process. It just happens and then you buy your AB products and sit back and enjoy and move on. This process here is different and somewhat weird how fans chase down data and hammer it over and over and over and over again. Leading up to the Braves/Cards WC game the postings in the STLtoday amounted to “Boy, hope we win” and “Go Cards!” In ATL we have guys listing salaries,WARs,lefty/righty scenarios,and perpetual second-guessing of everything. Weird, but fun to watch play out.
Arkansas Transplant
November 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
I think Figgins and Rayburn would be good ST invites.
David O'Brien
November 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
Noticed that Chone Figgins team outright released him. He is someone Wren could get off the scrap heap to play centerfield. Guy is 34 and had a rough year last year but has hit .300 or near for a number of years before that. — ijudgenot
His terrible year last year (.181/.262/.271) was preceded by an even more terrible year in 2011 (.188/.241/.243). The man had a .533 OPS in 2012 and a .484 OPS — .484!! — in 2011. He has been the worst — not one of the worst, THE worst — position player in the majors over the past two seasons. And he’ll be 35 in January.
And you seriously propose that he be signed to play center field?
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
No baseball player is untradeable. However, Myers should come pretty close. The Royals must be thinking he is the type of player that can energize them much like Trout and Harper have energized their own teams. It should take nothing less than a King’s ransom to acquire Myers.
Live Vipir
November 27th, 2012
2:28 pm
Ward: I checked 3 sources, and they all say Braves are in Hot Persuite of him, and there is a possibility he is leaning towards the Braves, but we will see? I will welcome him, as a Brave.
OK.I’ll check with my sources tonight at the Tilted Kilt and report back to all here.
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Slowhiteguy….We wouldnt need Cody Ross to bash right handed pitching. We already have guys in our line-up who can do that. What we need is RIGHT HANDED POWER AGAINST LEFT HANDED PITCHING!
Cody Ross AND Michael Young (if we can pry him from the Rangers AND if they are willing to eat a significant portion of his 2013 $16 mil salary…which they may do if they want to give playing time to either of their top short/3rd basemen prospects).
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Slowhiteguy….We wouldnt need Cody Ross to bash right handed pitching. We already have guys in our line-up who can do that. What we need is RIGHT HANDED POWER AGAINST LEFT HANDED PITCHING!
Cody Ross AND Michael Young (if we can pry him from the Rangers AND if they are willing to eat a significant portion of his 2013 $16 mil salary…which they may do if they want to give playing time to either of their top short/3rd basemen prospects) are capable of raking against left handed pitching…giving our line-up some balance.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
No baseball player is untradeable. However, Myers should come pretty close.
I think maybe folks have forgotten the rumors from last year that Jurrjens and Prado were floated for Cain and Myers from KC, and that KC balked at the inclusion of Myers. I’m foggy on it, but I believe the Star writer brought that one up.
The blog went nuts, of course, at the mention of Prado being traded, LOL. Not all that many folks were pleased about Jurrjens, even, despite what you read on here these days regarding the guy.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
BravePack(FreeFan)……..Cody Ross washed up? I guess that hitting 22 homers, knocking in 81 RBIs and having an OPS of .807 is “washed up”.
The reason why he didnt come to the Braves last year…was because we low balled him! He wasnt going to take a 1 year/$2 mil contract to play for the Braves.
Braves offered more than 1 year and he still refused to come here. Also you realize where he played right? I could hit 22 HR’s playing in Boston and I’m 37. BTW, 13 of his 22 HR’s were hit at Fenway.
Ward
November 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
back for just one post – Live Viper, be my guest……. I have sources, and it looks like it could happen, and if you have trouble with that? so be it! doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. Peace Out, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
2:36 pm
Powerball is up to $500 mil for tomorrow night’s drawing!
O.M.G.
November 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
Sources in Montana? OK then.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
“I could hit 22 HR’s playing in Boston and I’m 37.”
I’m not a big fan of Ross, but no you couldn’t.
brian
November 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
love for Chone Figgins will not die on this board.
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
2:41 pm
BravePack(FreeFan)……Cody Ross hasnt just had success in Fenway. He played for the Marlins….and helped the Giants win the World Series in 2010. He provided some key, clutch hits for the Giants.
By the way, if hitting in Fenway was so easy..why didnt Carl Crawford put up huge numbers in Fenway (even when he wasnt hurt)?
David O'Brien
November 27th, 2012
2:41 pm
No baseball player is untradeable. However, Myers should come pretty close.
Not true. At any given time, some players are untradeable due to variety of circumstances. Right now, for instance, Jason Heyward has to be viewed as untradeable by the Braves. It goes beyond just what he does on the field, too. Surely people understand that. And Mike Trout is untradeable by the Angels. Simply because they couldn’t trade him for a player or players who’d be more valuable for their team right now. Trout is the new face of that franchise and possibly one of the greatest MLB talents in decades.
That’s just two examples. I’d say Harper is untradeable for the Nationals, as well. At least right now. I’m not talking about down the road, because things can happen. But right now, for that trio of players in their particular situations and circumstances, they are not going to be traded. Period.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Mike Shannon
November 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
Cornjolio: I want a GM like they have in SF or STL.
Wow. Obvious, yet, astute comment for these boards. Following STL for many years and most of the moves made came out of nowhere—from a fan perspective—and either it worked or didn’t work. M Holliday signing is an example; no fanfare, just all of a sudden he’s brought on board. Edmonds…the same thing. worked the same way. Wake up one morning and hear that 4 players were sent out on a 3-way deal. Most aren’t familiar with any of the new players and they move on. Fans usually aren’t emotionally drawn in to the process. It just happens and then you buy your AB products and sit back and enjoy and move on. This process here is different and somewhat weird how fans chase down data and hammer it over and over and over and over again. Leading up to the Braves/Cards WC game the postings in the STLtoday amounted to “Boy, hope we win” and “Go Cards!” In ATL we have guys listing salaries,WARs,lefty/righty scenarios,and perpetual second-guessing of everything. Weird, but fun to watch play out.
This is the post of the day for me. Nice to read a perspective from an outsider and he hit the nail on the head. So true about this blog and all the stat geeks.