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Murph
December 3rd, 2012
3:52 pm
Haiku Monday, in case you were wondering where this magical feeling is coming from on the ol’ blog today.
Hey you! You Haiku?
I do! I do! I haiku!
Ward’s mom is bear poo.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm
Let’s go Wren trade for J Upton and sign Grienke and call it a Winter meeting already.
P'cola Brave
December 3rd, 2012
3:54 pm
Efrim
Guess the question is if the Braves are including all of Upton’s signing bonus in this years payroll?
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm
I foresee a decline in these ridiculous contracts in the future.
I see exactly the opposite. If a team receives an extra $25MM in revenue in 2014, should the owner (who, by the way, is already making a sizable profit, in most cases) just pocket the cash as a windfall? If not, then whither the money, if not to infrastructure and labor costs?
The union has already sold the birthrights of draftees for a bowl of porridge with the last CBA, leaving any new-found money nowhere else to go but the pockets of the ML players. Today’s contracts will seem like the good old days in five years.
As they always do, over time.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
3:55 pm
Hey, the Mets got Wheeler for two months of Beltran, so I bet they do want a difference maker.
Puma
December 3rd, 2012
3:56 pm
Wonder what Pagan will get…probably around $13 for 4 years, if I had to guess
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 3rd, 2012
3:57 pm
Are you happy Ward? Now you’ve made Murph completely lose it. He’s gone off the deep end, he’s lost his marbles.
old1414
December 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
I suggested earlier Brett Gardner to the Braves to fill the leadoff spot at around 3mil/per. Gardner for Juan Francisco and one of Venters/Avilan/O’Flaherty might do it. Too much? That would leave Braves with 8-10 mil. to spend on other things. Gardner has speed, great defender, art least 2 years left
Ward
December 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
All, have a good one, and Keep hope!!!!!!Believe In Wren!!!!!!! I’ll give him an A+ for his good work……..Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tonight……
tony austin
December 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
Personally I think the strike out is the worst out in the game. I understand a ground out is one of the 27 outs, but putting a ball in play could advance a runner, the batter could get on via an error and so on. Granted the players are ML players and the chances of reaching via an error is not that great, but is an infinite number better that walking back to the dugout with the bat in your hand.
I know hitters are going to strike out, that happens. But when hitters are reaching numbers of 150+, that is getting a little absurd. Cut down on your swing with 2 strikes, put the ball in play, you never know what’s going to happen.
Ks are good for a pitcher, but they can tend to bring the pitch count up. I’d rather have a ground ball pitcher who induces outs earlier in the count, but when a strike out is needed, he has that ability also.
Mitchie-sand
December 3rd, 2012
3:58 pm
Scoots, not really. With teams learning to lock up young players earlier, there will be a shortage of decent free agents. Kinda like this year (outside of the biggies).
Look at Bourne. I think he will sign with not only a team he doesnt want, but for less money he and Boras dreamed of.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
So, the other 3 must be that they are applying all of BJ’s signing bonus to this year? That plus Janish’s 1 mill account for the 4 mill diff…
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
3:59 pm
Brian McCann – $12M
Tim Hudson – $9M
Martin Prado – $7.7M
Paul Maholm – $6.5M
Eric O’Flaherty – $3.8M
Five of the seven highest paid players on the Braves are free agents at the end of the 2013 season.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:00 pm
Slow 1st day regarding rumors…bet things heat up tonight as the drinks start flowing.
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:01 pm
That’s still only $75.25 million for 13 players with the arbitration estimates from MLBTR – which are usually really close. They should have more than $10 million, imo.
I did the same calculation, using $500k per player for the pre-arb guys, giving me $81.25 million spent. Due to DL stints and the like, maybe you can add another $2 million over the course of the year for guys called up, meaning that with $10 million left the payroll would sit around $93-$94 million. That’s not far off of a normal Braves payroll by much at all, but it doesn’t fit with Wren’s statement that the payroll would be going up a bit this year either.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:02 pm
So, the other 3 must be that they are applying all of BJ’s signing bonus to this year? That plus Janish’s 1 mill account for the 4 mill diff…
I don’ think so. Upton’s $3 million is across five seasons is how they always look at it. $600K spread across through 2017.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
I think only 2 will be back, Efrim. I think Martin and Huddie will be back. Hudson will take below market value again to finish his career in the Atl.
Murph
December 3rd, 2012
4:05 pm
Brian McCann – $12M
Tim Hudson – $9M
Martin Prado – $7.7M
Paul Maholm – $6.5M
Eric O’Flaherty – $3.8M
1. Bye
2. Adios
3. Extension
4. Auf wiedersehen
5. Ciao
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
So, the other 3 must be that they are applying all of BJ’s signing bonus to this year? That plus Janish’s 1 mill account for the 4 mill diff…
I don’ think so. Upton’s $3 million is across five seasons is how they always look at it. $600K spread across through 2017.
Doesn’t Wren usually keep around $3 million in the budget for mid-season trades? I thought I remembered in the past hearing that he did that to allow him “wiggle room” when it came to acquiring players for the stretch run.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
Efrim, I agree that’s how it normally works…just trying to figure out how we only have 10 mill left if payroll is staying the same or slightly increasing.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
That’s not far off of a normal Braves payroll by much at all, but it doesn’t fit with Wren’s statement that the payroll would be going up a bit this year either.
Yeah, we probably do have like $10-$12 million to work with. But if payroll was going up, it should be more. Oh well. Whatever….
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:06 pm
RC, maybe that’s it. Could very well be.
Patrick
December 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
Good lord! Minor for Flower….the Rockies are out of their minds.
They wanted a solid left handed young SP for a garbage bag that happens to have fast last legs.
Ridiculous…god only knows what the twins wanted for Span????
Patrick
December 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
Fowler**
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
Payroll should at least increase by the inflation rate.
tony austin
December 3rd, 2012
4:07 pm
That’s not far off of a normal Braves payroll by much at all, but it doesn’t fit with Wren’s statement that the payroll would be going up a bit this year either. – RC
Wow, that sounds familiar, doesn’t Wren say that every year?
2012 – $83M
2011 – $87M
2010 – $84M
2009 – $96M
2008 – $102M
http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm#2010payroll
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Soft tossers have to depend entirely on their defense.”
Yet we keep hearing that Greinke – supposedly a strike out pitcher – suffered terribly throughout his career because of a bad shortstop.
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
I think only 2 will be back, Efrim. I think Martin and Huddie will be back. Hudson will take below market value again to finish his career in the Atl.
I’m not so sure if Huddy will do that or not. I think there’s a good chance he’ll want a 3-year deal, and no less than 2. With all the pitchers the Braves have knocking on the door, and the limited amount of money they have, I think there’s a good chance that Hudson will go elsewhere. Hopefully if he does everyone will be amicable about it, because he’s been one of my favorite guys on the team the past 5-6 years.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
I thought I remembered in the past hearing that he did that to allow him “wiggle room” when it came to acquiring players for the stretch run.
And then we pay more in trade in terms of prospects for the other team to pick up the tab on player salaries…..
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Only the accountants in the Braves’ FO can actually figure out how much the team is spending and the methods used to determine that number (I’m not sure even Frank knows; I think he’s just ballparking it, LOL). You guys will just make yourselves nuts trying to figure it out from this side of the veil.
Arkansas Transplant
December 3rd, 2012
4:11 pm
Five of the seven highest paid players on the Braves are free agents at the end of the 2013 season.
That’s why I think it’s important to capitalize on a couple of them now.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
Five of the seven highest paid players on the Braves are free agents at the end of the 2013 season.
But only one of them will get a qualifying offer, if it goes that far.
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:13 pm
Soft tossers have to depend entirely on their defense.”
Yet we keep hearing that Greinke – supposedly a strike out pitcher – suffered terribly throughout his career because of a bad shortstop.
I think there is a flaw in that argument. Let’s say that soft tossers depend on their defense 85% of the time, and strike out pitchers depend on their defense 60% of the time. That’s a big enough difference to matter, and 60% of the time is still often enough that a terrible defensive shortstop (which Betancourt certainly is) could very well have a noticeable negative affect on a pitcher’s results. It’s just that if he DIDN’T strike anyone out, the negative affect of Betancourt would be even greater.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:14 pm
Four years, $40 million for Pagan.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm
It’s just that if he DIDN’T strike anyone out, the negative affect of Betancourt would be even greater.
Yuni would have a negative effect on a 27-K game.
He’s that bad.
Puma
December 3rd, 2012
4:15 pm
Pagan reported 4 years @ $40 mil. I was pretty far off.
JasonInFL
December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
That’s not TOO crazy for Pagan in this market…
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
$10 million a year seems ok for Pagan, but 4 years is a long time. Glad that Braves went another route (and glad that Philly didn’t get in on Pagan, although now Bourn or Hamilton seems possible for them).
P'cola Brave
December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
Pagan gets 4 yrs/40 mil
Deep Breath and Reload
December 3rd, 2012
4:16 pm
What’s all the love about Dexter Fowler? He’s a decent player but going to be overpriced and isn’t a game changer while expecting game changer salary or return for him in a trade.
I hope Wren doesn’t bite. Fowler isn’t worth very much in trade and certainly not worth a starting pitcher in trade.
Lotza people wondering if he can hit away from Coors.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:18 pm
Yep – those he didn’t strike out all grounded to short.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:19 pm
$10 million a year seems ok for Pagan,
$10MM is the new $5MM.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:19 pm
But only one of them will get a qualifying offer, if it goes that far.
Yeah, Prado would probably have to go pretty big in 2013 to get a $14 million dollar offer. But ya never know.
Should be interesting to see how those negotiations go. One year away from free agency. Buster had that report mid-summer that they were working on it and never really went much further. I’d be in the $36-$38 million dollar range over four years, but I’d bet he wants more than that.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Jason – Real life inflation or MLB inflation?
brian
December 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Colorado asking for Minor in exchange for Fowler is ridiculous
Trader Jack
December 3rd, 2012
4:20 pm
Efrim
Add the players who will be making league minnimum
Trader Jack
December 3rd, 2012
4:23 pm
scoots
It’s only money, right?
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t the last 2 big announcements having to do with the Braves been announced between 4 and 5 pm ET? Uggla trade and Upton signing.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:24 pm
Yep – those he didn’t strike out all grounded to short.
The mere presence of Yuni Betancourt on an infield is enough to drastically reduce the ability of every other IF to catch the ball. It’s like being in proximity to a black hole, just one that causes bad hops and against-the-laws-of-physics ball trajectories.
Greinke should get $25MM AAV just for being able to survive a single season of Yuni Betancourt. Lesser pitchers have been known to give up the game. Or ask for a trade to Colorado. Either one.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
Since when are the Phillies much more financially responsible? Only went five years, $55 million for Upton and lost to SF on Pagan for four years, $40 million.
Now they are left to overpay Bourn or Hamilton. Or bring back Victorino. Or lastly, deplete an already awful farm system.
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
4:25 pm
Andy Martino @MartinoNYDN
With obvious caveat about how things can change, hearing very strongly from league source Royals would not part with Wil Myers for Dickey.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:27 pm
It’s only money, right?
And not my money, either, Jack.
Spend ‘em if you got ‘em, I say.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
4:28 pm
I don’ think so. Upton’s $3 million is across five seasons is how they always look at it.
That apparently was an accounting practice only during the Hampton years. Since then it has been shunned, otherwise McCann would be tabulated at his AAV of $5.5M.
What we’ve learned from this is payroll accounting is used as an excuse when convenient. “We’re up against our limits because we counted the next 4 years in this year.”… and then the next four years there is a different accounting system which back loads everything…
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Gotta think of it as a tub of water sloshing back and forth. Every time you think the team has room, they slosh the water in the way and claim they have no room.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:30 pm
scoots @ 4:24-
Just this once and only because it’s you – LOL.
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Keep hearing people speculate about Josh Hamilton to #Phillies. But if I had to pick a word to describe their interest, “wary” covers it.
RC
December 3rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Yep – those he didn’t strike out all grounded to short.
Again, you are twisting words to make it fit your conclusion. Let’s break down exactly how many WOULD have grounded to short.
In 2010, Grienke had a 19.7% K rate (one of the lowest of his career). Of the balls put in play against him, 46% were ground balls. Multiplying that 46% by the 80% of at bats not ending in a strike out, we come up with roughly 37% of at-bats against Grienke resulted in a ground ball. While I don’t know the exact distribution of ground balls among major league infielders, I feel fairly certain that a larger percentage go to SS than to any of the other positions. So let’s say 30% of ground balls go to the shortstop’s position. Based on those numbers, 11% of batters Greinke faced in 2010 would have hit the ball to shortstop. 11% isn’t a huge number, but it is enough that having the worst SS in the major leagues could have a noticeable impact on a pitchers final numbers.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:34 pm
Efrim – I told you I didn’t think the Phillies would be doing much outbidding. So far they haven’t. Maybe they’re waiting on Hamilton.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:34 pm
I think Yuni Betancourt was the worst “regular” in baseball within the past decade.
“We’re up against our limits because we counted the next 4 years in this year.”… and then the next four years there is a different accounting system which back loads everything…
I am thinking in these terms now. You’ve turned me.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
4:37 pm
In the Phillies defense, they may have offered the same deal, and Pagan chose to stay with the Giants. Or maybe they offered a tiny bit more and Pagan chose to stay with the Giants.
Nevertheless, the Phillies could just smack down a stack and pull in Hamilton. That only becomes a real possibility when the rumor mill starts churning out potions laced with “Phillies budget constraints.”
Puma
December 3rd, 2012
4:37 pm
I kind of hope Phillies do get Hamilton – that’ll tie them up even more with some older broken parts for a few more years. Plus, another lefty in that lineup. Mind you, they could be real dangerous next year.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:38 pm
TenPaul – For years now you haven’t been able to figure out the Braves salary level or their accounting methods. Might as well quit trying.
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
4:39 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Napoli getting $39M for 3 is surprising folks. tho, shows why braves picked up mccann $12M option off horrible year
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:39 pm
Betancourt has been a major leaguer for 8 seasons – .266/.290/.392 – averaging over 480 PA’s a season for his career and is a terrible defender.
His first four seasons weren’t Awful with a caps A – .282/.305/.400, 87 OPS+ age 23-26.
His last four seasons – .249/.275/.383, 77 OPS+ ages 27-30, most players prime years.
David O'Brien
December 3rd, 2012
4:42 pm
On Twitter, Andrew Baggerly reports this breakdown on Pagan’s new four-year, $40M Giants contract:: $5 million signing bonus and annual salaries of 7, 9, 9 and 10 million.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
4:46 pm
For years now you haven’t been able to figure out the Braves salary level or their accounting methods
For years now I’ve kept real close tabs on every morsel of comment about the budget and noticed it’s all a farce. Do you see me trying to tabulate the amount on here today? Not happening. Just noting that every time some one states there should be X dollars available it will actually be shot down, and a week later we’ll here about increased payroll and new MLB tv reviews… coupled with a list of players who are too expensive followed by a list of third tear players as premium talent.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:46 pm
RC – It was a shot at TOBF and nothing more. I don’t need convincing. Really. I understand we never want Yunesky or any of his ilk as our shortstop – Ever – I realize he’s destroyed the careers of every pitcher he’s ever played behind and was likely the reason Ben Sheets was injured all the time. I realize Tim Hudson would spontaneous combust if he’s in the same stadium with the Dude.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm
His last four seasons – .249/.275/.383, 77 OPS+ ages 27-30, most players prime years.
It’s all about the offense slash line with you… ( :
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm
TenPaul – If you ever made sense of it, they’d have to kill you.
ncscoots
December 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Napoli getting $39M for 3 is surprising folks
No bleep, Jon. Really?
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Do you see me trying to tabulate the amount on here today? Not happening.
I really like trying to figure out the payroll, but I totally see where the frustration is and why we’re never gonna get it right to the million.
Just noting that every time some one states there should be X dollars available it will actually be shot down, and a week later we’ll here about increased payroll and new MLB tv reviews… coupled with a list of players who are too expensive followed by a list of third tear players as premium talent.
Ha! And that’s why you are one of my favs here. You paint a rosy picture of my favorite team and are one of the smarter, “tell it like it is” posters on here.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
4:56 pm
According to Joe McDonald of ESPN.com (via Twitter), the Red Sox talked to the Mets about a possible trade for Dickey, and the Mets wanted Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley Jr.
Yeah, that’ll end discussions real fast. Trading six years of control of your future SS and CF for one year of a 38 year old knuckler. Not gonna happen.
Braves Fan In Maine
December 3rd, 2012
4:56 pm
So I am sitting here waiting for the braves to make an announcement that they have signed bourn to a 5 years 60 million deal hahah
Bay Area Steve
December 3rd, 2012
5:03 pm
“If you ever made sense of it, they’d have to kill you.”
I figure that must be the reason he won’t explain how he makes those charts. Like some guy with a cigar and an eye-patch gave him the secret key in 1999, and he’s to safeguard it from the lowly blog commenter… Or else: dead.
I think they’ll allocate Upton’s salary and bonus evenly over the years; going forward they’re going to need every dollar they can muster to keep all these young players. May account for $2M this season…
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
5:05 pm
If you ever made sense of it, they’d have to kill you.
They’d have to catch me first. It wouldn’t be easy. I’d leave clues to my whereabouts, but they’d be wrapped in Braves Financials style leads.
Lew
December 3rd, 2012
5:06 pm
I wonder how often the phrase ” Are you out of your %$*#ing mind” comes up in GM trade discussions?
Bay Area Steve
December 3rd, 2012
5:07 pm
“signed bourn to a 5 years 60 million”
Pagan getting 40 sure makes me doubt Bourn’s 100.
Though, every time I doubt Boras, some mystery team knocks him upside the head with a briefcase full of $1000 bills.
tony austin
December 3rd, 2012
5:07 pm
They take all of the players salaries, prorate them all out the next 5 years and take the average of that number. Then they divide by pi. If that number is more than 1/3 of the projected salary of the 6th year plus 1/2 of the 7th year they take the lesser of the two and subtract or add $5M dollars, whichever is appropriate.
Unless of course….
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
5:09 pm
Grady Sizemore’s agent, Joe Urbon, confirmed that his client had microfracture surgery on his right knee in September.
Just a shame what happened to him.
Heath
December 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Napoli primarily at first driving up price a little? We know the average per year went up so they wouldnt have to go 4 years.
TennesseePaul
December 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Curious if the Yankees would have interest in Juan Fancisco now with the A-Rod issue.
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m Free-agent reliever Joakim Soria close to signing two-year deal with #Rangers, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.
Nice pickup if the money isn’t ludicrous.
Murph
December 3rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Today has been a bit of a letdown. I thought we’d get more than just a couple of FA signings going on around the league.
I s’pose they are just starting conversations, tomorrow they’ll hash out some deals, and Wednesday will be when we start to hear more about some big trades.
I’d like the Braves to be in the mix, but honestly I love the Winter Meetings for all of the deals that are made, Braves deals or otherwise. One of the best, most drama-filled weeks of the year for baseball fans.
Luman Harris
December 3rd, 2012
5:13 pm
Twenty three players struck out 150 times or more last season.
If the Braves get Shin-Soo Choo, they would have five of those players.
Most by any other team is two (Orioles, Brewers, Reds).
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
5:17 pm
Today has been a bit of a letdown. I thought we’d get more than just a couple of FA signings going on around the league.
Big trades would be nice. Haven’t really seen any since the Toronto/Miami one. Heck, that was good enough for one whole offseason.
Gone Viral
December 3rd, 2012
5:17 pm
“For years now I’ve kept real close tabs on every morsel of comment about the budget and noticed it’s all a farce. Do you see me trying to tabulate the amount on here today?”
Smart man. The way Liberty handles the Braves, if the team were a child, Social Services would have been called years ago. The “bookkeeping” is all multinational conglomerate slight of hand.
beekay
December 3rd, 2012
5:21 pm
I’ll bet Bob costas wishes he would have kept to the old blog rule of no political discussions. He is getting hammered today. The only people coming out defending him have been Olbermann and Rosie O’Donnell
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
5:21 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw
Doubt that. ATL loves Simmons. RT @JMFuller24: any chance the braves swing a Cabrera from Cleveland deal then flip Simmons to arz for Upton?
nolie
December 3rd, 2012
5:21 pm
toldja’ll Janish would be back as the bench/SS backup…..
tony austin
December 3rd, 2012
5:21 pm
The “bookkeeping” is all multinational conglomerate slight of hand. – Gone Viral
At my house I like to call that “creative accounting”
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
5:23 pm
Well, whatever the exact payroll is – it’s most always middle of the pack and that’s to be expected for a mid-market team like the Braves. The issue I’m seeing is those smaller market teams striking big TV deals(San Diego) and teams like Toronto getting tired of asset collecting and spending big dollars when it seems like the Braves payroll is a flat $90-$95 million. Sooner rather than later, that #15 mark for payroll will turn into #18, and #20, etc….
JC Brave
December 3rd, 2012
5:24 pm
So I am sitting here waiting for the braves to make an announcement that they have signed bourn to a 5 years 60 million deal.
Do you have a job?
Are you gonna quit it then?
Do you have any family?
They’re gonna miss you man… because if you’re gonna sit there waiting for that to happen… you’re gonna be waiting for the rest of your life…
Arkansas Transplant
December 3rd, 2012
5:25 pm
Well Costas should have just kept his mouth shut.. specially since he didn’t have anything intellegent to say.
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
5:25 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw
About as close as my room here is to the lobby. #notclose RT @JMFuller24: @keithlaw how close is nick Ahmed to simmons?
Efrim
December 3rd, 2012
5:28 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw
About as close as my room here is to the lobby. #notclose RT @JMFuller24: @keithlaw how close is nick Ahmed to simmons?
Yeah…..
Mitchie-sand
December 3rd, 2012
5:35 pm
wonder how often the phrase ” Are you out of your %$*#ing mind” comes up in GM trade discussions? — Lew
No where near as much as it comes up here on this blog.
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
5:38 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Soria in agreement with #Rangers on two-year deal, pending physical.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2012
5:40 pm
With the JANISH signing and FRANCISCO burnishing his cred down south, I can’t see the REV in ATLANTA this year. Either he goes down, or he’s part of a package WREN’s cooking up as we type.
LAIRD
JANISH
in the house
JOHNSON
FRANCISCO
and………
Brava
December 3rd, 2012
5:43 pm
Ben Ingram @IngramRadio
#Braves Frank Wren on Andrelton Simmons being untouchable in trade. “Nobody is untouchable, but I think Simmons is unreachable.”
BFChris28
December 3rd, 2012
5:45 pm
Should be interesting on what Wren does do.