Bossman Junior, El Oso Blanco & other matters

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Doc Holliday

December 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

why dont we go after scutaro and leave martin in LF?

P'cola Brave

December 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

Red Sox close to deal w/ Napoli

P'cola Brave

December 3rd, 2012
10:45 am

Still question whether SD will be willing to move Headley. Haven’t heard anything recently regarding an extension w/ them. Could be a good chance for them to sell high and a bat I’m sure the Braves would covet.

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

December 3rd, 2012
10:45 am

According to Bowman, Victorino is looking for a 4-5 yr contract. Bwaahaa.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

I love the intangibles Victorino brings to the field. However, he might get 4-5 years in fantasy baseball.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
10:45 am

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
The Diamondbacks are said to be one of the most aggressive teams here so far… Execs with other teams have thought they will trade J.Upton.

Frank…. losing Ahmed will hurt, but get it done. 3-team trade with us keeping Ahmed would be better though

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
10:45 am

I’m finding these assumptions that all trades with the Braves must begin with either Teheran, Delgado or Simmons. It’s a bit much.

I’m not sure that most folks here could name more than five players in the system, to start with. So, any speculation is going to center around players with whom they are familiar. Or semi-familiar, anyway.

Patrick

December 3rd, 2012
10:48 am

If you look at the Stolen Base success percentage rate for Upton I think you find that the when you break down the Net Stolen Bases for Bourn and Upton, you’ll find those two number Very close to one another.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
10:48 am

If the Indians decide to go all-in on their rebuild, they could extract young pitching talent from a team like the Mariners or Diamondbacks, says ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Insider link). Cleveland’s asking price for Asdrubal Cabrera is “steep in terms of young pitchers,” according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Bauer from the DBacks, Teheran from the Braves should be good. DBacks get Cabrera, EOF, and Spruill? We get Upton. Maybe send them JuanFran

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

December 3rd, 2012
10:49 am

I found us a left fielder about two years ago……….

Dan Uggla :)

Patrick

December 3rd, 2012
10:49 am

4-5 years for Beef-O-Rino?!
He’s crazy and that is unfortunate information.

old1414

December 3rd, 2012
10:49 am

I say watch rumors about Brett Gardner. With the ARod injury the Yankees need help at 3rd. Would a Juan Francisco plus a bullpen arm for Gardner work. Gardner costs only about 3 mil/per. He is a good base stealer, leadoff, great defense, and under control 2? more years. Plus he fits Wren’s need to get more athletic. Francisco would be big at Yankee stadium. Braves have excess bullpen arms. I think it would be a good match depending on which pitcher.

CB

December 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

scoots, would you take your old retired ass out of retirement and help AJC’s IT idiots fix this blog? Almost impossible to deal with.

Lew

December 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

Do you realize how infrequently there are three way trades in baseball?

unbelievable

December 3rd, 2012
10:53 am

I say watch rumors about Brett Gardner. With the ARod injury the Yankees need help at 3rd. Would a Juan Francisco plus a bullpen arm for Gardner work

Juan Fransisco is close to being a non tender candidate much less a trade piece for a better player. Nunez is by far a better player than Fransisco at this point, dont they have Chavez also? Yanks wont be dealing Gardner until the decide on Ichiro.

Trader Jack

December 3rd, 2012
10:54 am

Lew

The payroll will be nowhere near that of the 2012 level.

Wren kept his word by signing a “premium” player in Upton, but way overpaid in doing so. Remember, it’s about putting butts in the seats. The guys you stated would not do that, not to mention win as many games

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
10:54 am

If you look at the Stolen Base success percentage rate for Upton I think you find that the when you break down the Net Stolen Bases for Bourn and Upton, you’ll find those two number Very close to one another.

SB attempts, for a lineup that has as much potential sock as this one, would not be a productive offensive tactic. It doesn’t appear that they will have a real Bourn-like threat at the top of the order, and risking both a baserunner AND an out after the 3-hole wouldn’t be very smart (in most cases).

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
10:54 am

CB, the blog does indeed seem to be getting worse. And on the 1st morning of the winter meetings no less. Ridiculous. The time when I need the blog most, it isn’t there for me.

I see how it is.

David O'Brien

December 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Lew, good and rational point at 10:35. Which means that most of the loudest folks here will probably disagree.

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

would you take your old retired ass out of retirement and help AJC’s IT idiots fix this blog? Almost impossible to deal with.

Yes, a good offseason no longer depends on the LF acquisition, but rather whether the AJC ever gets the dang web site fixed. :-)

Lew

December 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Trader Jack – I totally disagree. Not sure what more I can say.

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Why did Gardner only play in 16 games last season? Was he hurt, or did he just lose his job?

kenhotlanta

December 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

After the meltdown last night, I’m kinda surprised the blog is still here this morning. :) On my way for my monthly Varsity fix, see y’all later, it’s a beautiful day in The ATL.

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

December 3rd, 2012
11:04 am

Gardner had surgery and missed all but 16 games. He’s supposed to be good to go for 2013.

Trader Jack

December 3rd, 2012
11:06 am

Lew

We’ll see when all the dust settles. I’m betting no more than $88 mil.

Lew

December 3rd, 2012
11:08 am

DOB – I try. Preaching common sense and logic is a good bit like fishing – throwing that baited line into the water does not guarantee the fish won’t just ignore you more times than not.

DAP

December 3rd, 2012
11:12 am

anders As soon as the bright lights of October appeared he returned to his average roots

average roots? he was pretty much the same player in new york he always has been. which, by the way, is not an average player. he has always been a good hitter.

rick c If they are going to get someone with extreme splits against RHP vs LHP, I’d rather it be someone who can’t hit RHP.

this would be foolish, considering 3/4ths of all MMLB pitchers are righthanded. get a guy who cant hit righites at all, and youve hamstrung yourself alot more than if you got a guy who cant hit lefties. by the way, choo’s power is sapped vs. lefties, but he still gets on base at a fine rate.

Puma

December 3rd, 2012
11:14 am

These could be the most interesting winter meetings for Bravos in a while..I could see anything happening from JUpton, to a Rays pitcher, to absolutely nothing at all. I have love/hate relationship with this time of year, at least in terms of baseball.

DS1

December 3rd, 2012
11:15 am

How about a power hitting platoon of Big K guys? Juan Fran and Mark Reynolds to platoon at third and keep Marteen in LF.

It would increase the game time wind speeds at the Ted four shore!

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:17 am

3yrs, 39mil for Napoli

kenhotlanta

December 3rd, 2012
11:17 am

And BTW, welcome back Nolie, you were missed. Also, a big Thank You to BAS for the shout-out last night…praise from one of the Original Masters around here is much appreciated. Selah.

Patrick

December 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

Damn…Napoli signing with Boston makes it all the more likley that Laroche returns to the nats

TennesseePaul

December 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

SB attempts, for a lineup that has as much potential sock as this one, would not be a productive offensive tactic.

That’s all on Fredi. I do think they are viewing those as an indicator of the ability to go first to third, send to home, maybe even first to home, on hits. Teams can be “more aggressive” on the base paths without necessarily tallying Rickey Henderson SB totals… Though that would be exciting to watch.

DAP

December 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

DS1, i actually dont think reynolds would be a bad player for us. braves might lead the league in homers…probably not in batting average though.

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

Teams can be “more aggressive” on the base paths without necessarily tallying Rickey Henderson SB totals

Absolutely. I do think posters here mistake Wren’s desire for quicker, more athletic personnel as a desire for speedy base-stealers. Little could be further from the truth.

This particular team has excellent base-running speed, even if they acquire a lumbering knuckle-dragger for LF.

JasonInFL

December 3rd, 2012
11:26 am

I think the Rangers will get Upton if they want him…more assets to trade and have a SS and 3B prospect though currently not willing to trade either SS.

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:29 am

I know the farm is weak, but is it so weak that these are the only three players worth trading for? I have my doubts.

You could be right and I’m probably reading too much into the rumors. Maybe we can get Choo for Zeke Spruill, Juan Jaime and Todd Cunningham. Be pretty awesome if that can get that sort of Michael Bourn trade done.

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:31 am

Although Zeke is higher ranked than Clemens and Oberholtzer were and Jaime has more long term potential than Abreu. Cunningham could lose a leg and be better than Schafer….. ;)

David O'Brien

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

I’m getting sense there is something to Choo-to-Braves trade rumor. Asked a person I trust, who declined to talk about it.

It would make a lot of sense. Choo was a strong leadoff guy last year in first time in that role. He’s been better against lefties in past than he was last year. Destroys righties.

Rick C

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

DOB what the heck is going on with the AJC site lately?

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

Rangers in on Greinke and Hamilton… hope they get just Hamilton, and Braves are bluffing and truly can’t be “counted out”

CB

December 3rd, 2012
11:35 am

Well,my life is complete now. Kate Middleton is pregnant

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:37 am

C Salty/Ross, 1B Napoli, 2B Pedroia, SS Iglesias, 3B Middlebrooks, LF Gomes, CF Ellsbury, RF Kalish, DH Ortiz

Not a bad team for the Red Sox. They still need another corner outfielder, though. And probably another starting pitcher.

tony austin

December 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

acquire a lumbering knuckle-dragger for LF. – ncscoots

That is quite amusing, thanks for the laugh :)

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

Choo!!! I’d be happy with that… always liked him, strong leadoff man, good defender, has some power and SB abilities… Kills righties. We get a qual. pick next year when he leaves, the FA market for LF won’t be shabby either, we’ll be fine. Got Pence, Hart, Morse, etc to choose from. He also doesn’t block Gattis if he truly is going to be a star.

Choo, Prado, Mac— 3 guys who could get qual. offers next season if they walk. 4 draft picks!!! We’d sure need them

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

I’m getting sense there is something to Choo-to-Braves trade rumor. Asked a person I trust, who declined to talk about it.

It would make a lot of sense. Choo was a strong leadoff guy last year in first time in that role. He’s been better against lefties in past than he was last year. Destroys righties.

It makes too much sense, DOB. Choo is owed a projected arbitration salary of $7 million for 2013, his final year with the club control. Would be a perfect fit to lead off and play a very good defensive LF.

LF Choo
3B Prado
RF Heyward
CF Upton
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons

That’s really, really good.

CB

December 3rd, 2012
11:40 am

My wife is Korean born and her favorite player is Shin-Soo Choo. This comes true and this may mean moving to Atlanta.

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
11:40 am

Maybe we can get Choo for Zeke Spruill, Juan Jaime and Todd Cunningham. Be pretty awesome if that can get that sort of Michael Bourn trade done.

Year-plus for Bourn, a year for Choo. Mid-year trade for Bourn, an offseason trade for Choo. Ought to balance out, mostly. Not as if the Indians are going to re-stock on a Choo trade.

I love the guy, me; I’ve liked him for some time. I don’t know if he’s the right fit for the Braves’ needs, but he’s more attractive than most other options espoused here.

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:41 am

This particular team has excellent base-running speed, even if they acquire a lumbering knuckle-dragger for LF.

Imagine the top 4 baserunners in that lineup with Choo at leadoff and Bossman cleaning up.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

Choo, Prado, Heyward, Upton, Freeman, Uggla, Mac, Simmons

DEEP all the way through. No easy outs (well maybe Upton, but he can make you pay) and a nice L/R combo… gonna be a nightmare for managers late in games

tony austin

December 3rd, 2012
11:44 am

Oh good, another lead-off K machine, exactly what the Braves need.

Put Choo on this team and the Braves are going to lead the world in strike outs.

Puma

December 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

Wren: I Choo-Choo-Choose you Shin-Soo Choo

Can’t take credit for the Ralph reference, was already made, but still makes me laugh

Lew

December 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

Choo – Yet another 150 K’s. It will definitely be breezy in Atlanta this year.

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
11:50 am

Put Choo on this team and the Braves are going to lead the world in strike outs.

As long as they also lead the world in OBP and SLG, I’ll suffer through. :-)

P'cola Brave

December 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Best news I’ve heard all day on the Choo front. Hopefully it becomes reality. Very deep lineup if Choo is added.

Lew

December 3rd, 2012
11:52 am

Lots of HR, too. Five players with 25 HR potential and Choo and Prado could chip in with another 25 between them.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:52 am

Who wouldn’t take .307/.400/.514/.914 vs RHP and a .340 OBP vs lefties at the top of your lineup? Better 2nd half hitter for his career, and we seem to need that on this time, since the guys seem to fall flat after August. He does best in Sept, .314/.406/.506/.912.

Yes, please! Don’t care if it’s just 1 year, send them Teheran.

Puma

December 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Choo had very high OBP, does strike out some, but seems to get on base a good amount. I’ve never watched him play though, so no idea what kind of player he is. Seems this would also just be a one year thing since he is a Boras client.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

His Ks aren’t all that bad though, since he still gets on base very well. .380 for his career. And he still outslugs Bossman, even if he hits about 10less HR on average.

DAP

December 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

choo is a 5 tool player that would probably be the 2nd best player on the team after heyward. dude is a stud.

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
11:55 am

I don’t mind the strikeouts too much as long as guys are still getting on base at the top of the order. Choo, Heyward, Freeman, Upton and Uggla with 150 K’s plus isn’t great, but they are all still pretty damn good hitters.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS
#redsox talking to swisher now. A possibility.

With our “payroll constraints”, say bye-bye to Swisher. If the RedSox want him, they’ll get. Or if the Rangers lose Hamilton, he’s going there.

DS1

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Choo would be great in ATL. Besides, who in heck would want us to solve our LF problem long term anyway?

ChattTownBrian

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Choo has some really solid numbers. Except for all the K’s.

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Choo would be a great add. I’ve been wanting the team to get him for years now. I wish he had more left on his contract, though… is one year of Choo worth all that control that would come with Teheran? The guy is a Boras client, so you can pretty much guarantee that you’re getting him for a single season only, no extension.

Choo had 14 OF assists back in 2010, the year he came in 14th in MVP voting.

Brava

December 3rd, 2012
11:58 am

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

With lavarnway, ross and napoli to catch, red sox will take offers on salty

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
12:00 pm

2014 FA Corner OF


Jason Kubel (32) – $7.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Mike Morse (32)
David Murphy (32)
Laynce Nix (33)
Martin Prado (30)
Ryan Raburn (33)

Right fielders

Carlos Beltran (37)
Shin-Soo Choo (31)
Nelson Cruz (33)
David DeJesus (34) – $6.5MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Chris Denorfia (33)
Jeff Francoeur (30)
Corey Hart (32)
Hunter Pence (31)
Jason Repko (33)

We’ll be able to solve that problem long term next year. If we’re not getting Justin Upton, Myers, Gyorko, or Olt, just get a 1yr player, fix LF next winter.

George_George

December 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

nolie

December 3rd, 2012
12:48 am
not sure what it is but I think he is relatively harmless. There are a lot of much meaner bloggers around, though I can see why DOB is irritated with him……

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All is well with the blog, NOLIE IS BACK. Weii almost, the IT guys could speed up the blog.

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Maybe adding a LF for just a single season isn’t such a bad thing considering the players who are coming available next offseason:

Hunter Pence, RF
Michael Morse, LF
Nelson Cruz, RF
Alex Gordon, LF
Shin-Soo Choo, RF
Corey Hart, RF
Carlos Beltran, RF
Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Curtis Granderson, CF
Adam Jones, CF

Yes, that’s right, I’m already looking ahead to 2014. Deal with it.

JasonInFL

December 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

I mentioned Choo a few days ago…always thought he might be on the radar if we weren’t going after Justin. Have people seen him play? If so, is he good defensively? His UZR/150 was -16.1 last year. We would be going from Bourn at 22.5 to Upton at -3.2 and from Prado at 16.6 to Choo at -16.1 in UZR/150. While I think Choo would be a good addition depending on cost, it does appear we will be a little worse in OF D.

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

Scooped by TOBF.

ncscoots

December 3rd, 2012
12:03 pm

I’ve never watched him play though, so no idea what kind of player he is

Very good defender with a very good arm, and that would play up in LF for the Braves. Good raw power and excellent speed on the bases. A very simple swing, compact.

He’s fun to watch, on both sides of the ball.

JasonInFL

December 3rd, 2012
12:04 pm

Murph, yeah, 2010 was a great year for Choo. .885 OPS and a 6.9 WAR I believe.

Brava

December 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

Giancarlo’s agent Joel Wolfe declined comment about whether @Giancarlo818 had requested a trade. Not happy tho.

braveslifer

December 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

“Maybe adding a LF for just a single season isn’t such a bad thing considering the players who are coming available next offseason:”

Good point. It also lets us get another year to see the if one of the internal options of Fransico, Gattis, or even todd cunningham can be a regular. That line-up that Efrim posted if the Braves got Choo would be outstanding. I agree that this is one of the best options that I have heard.

TennesseePaul

December 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

Put Choo on this team and the Braves are going to lead the world in strike outs.

That’s going to be interesting to watch…

AB/K rates

Player___Career__Last Year
Upton... 3.5 ... 3.4
Choo.... 4.0 ... 4.0
Heyward. 4.0 ... 3.9
Freeman. 4.1 ... 4.2
Uggla... 3.7 ... 3.1

Banjo Jimmy

December 3rd, 2012
12:13 pm

Wow..Arod out six months.

I’m good with Choo. Even for one year. But then, that is only one half of the possible trade.

What will we have to give up?

George_George

December 3rd, 2012
12:13 pm

Read the overnights. The late night od Dec 2nd got kind of wild. Hope DOB did not ban nolie again when he got DENTZ.

JC Brave

December 3rd, 2012
12:16 pm

Yes!! Let’s trade for a one-year-rental player!! I’m so excited!!

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
12:16 pm

Giancarlo’s agent Joel Wolfe declined comment about whether @Giancarlo818 had requested a trade. Not happy tho.

Freeman and Teheran for Stanton, sign Laroche, win WS

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

!!!BREAKING!!!

Exclusive Frank Wren interview on The Buck And Kincade Show Live at 2:30EST

Streaming Live @ 680TheFan.com

“Get Your Popcorn Ready!”

unbelievable

December 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

I wouldnt give up Teheran for one year of Choo.

Patrick

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

True, I hope Wren doesn’t cave in and give up Delgado or Teheran for 1 year of Choo. But I don’t see any way around that…….which means Wren is going to have to sign another SP for insurance.

How much is Choo set to make next season by the way?

JC Brave

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Giancarlo Stanton, now there’s someone I’d trade half the farm system for…

JasonInFL

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

I really like that idea, Murph!

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Yes!! Let’s trade for a one-year-rental player!! I’m so excited!!

Players under more years of control cost more in trade.

However, it would set up three free agents in the every day lineup for the following year: Choo, Prado, and McCann.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

Teheran for 1year of Choo and a top40 pick in the June 2014 Draft sounds great to me… don’t trade Delgado. Would be better if we could get him with lesser pieces though and save the big prospects to trade for an ace next winter. Spruill, Lipka or Cunningham, Jaime, Salcedo… some combo including those guys.

Maybe if we still had Hanson we could do Hanson and Cunningham for Choo straight up. :)

DAP

December 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

plus, choo wears teh double ear flap helmet. its always good to have one of those guys…i dont think weve had one since willie harris.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

December 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

I can Freaking Taste Justin Upton!

Do It, Do It, Do It! NOW Frankie Wren!

Upton or Victorino in our Lineup and Then Go Ahead and Start Prininting those NLCS Tickets

Our 2013 Lineup is gonna be Sick on Paper!

Heath

December 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Choo is not bad… I just don’t wanna give up a ton for just 1 year. On a separate note… I’ve moved on from pining for Swisher after the payroll numbers update… So should everyone else.

Efrim

December 3rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Teheran for 1year of Choo and a top40 pick in the June 2014 Draft sounds great to me… don’t trade Delgado.

I don’t think we can assume that they would make the qualifying offer. It might be likely, but with the way they operate with the draft – it isn’t a top priority like it is with the Rays and Jays or some other squad. Just not, given Wren’s history as the General Manager.

Puma

December 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

I really hope they extend Prado, I know I keep saying it, but somehow by repeating it, I feel like it somehow gets through to Wren, like a daily mantra.

TennesseePaul

December 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

it would set up three free agents in the every day lineup for the following year: Choo, Prado, and McCann.

Perhaps that just means the team will have 4 draft picks.

Puma

December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Tomahawkin – stop tasting J Upton

unbelievable

December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Upton or Victorino in our Lineup and Then Go Ahead and Start Prininting those NLCS Tickets

Maybe I should point out the difference in these two players. Upton is a great bat in the middle of a lineup, Victorino is a fraud of a leadoff hitter and should not be placed in LF.

Heath

December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Murph:

Now that’s thinking out of the box.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

You can taste Justin Upton? Ewwww

Efrim: I’ll defer to you, as you know the game better than me, but I don’t see why he wouldn’t get one. Boras, age 31, he’s gonna get get paid. As long as he performs well, he should be getting one. Not like he’d be coming back.

Murph

December 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Tomahawkin sure talks a lot about tasting grown men. I don’t judge, though… it’s 2012. You can taste whoever you want. Whatever floats your boat.

I can’t take full credit for the idea of trading Freeman for Stanton and signing Laroche… scoots helped me with that one.

TheOnlyBravesFan

December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Perhaps that just means the team will have 4 draft picks.

And hopefully we lose only 1 (or none)… stock up on some hitters, get this farm going on.

I really hope they extend Prado

Me too, but 3B is a hard position to fill… add in his versatility, the fact that the 2014 FA market is weak (except for corner OF), I could see him holding out and trying to get paid. He’s not a young ‘un who needs security, he’ll be 30 next winter.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

December 3rd, 2012
12:30 pm

Phillies Fans Are Wanting Both Moylan and Double J (Jurrigens) Badly…

It would be sickening to see either one of them in Those Candystripes

George_George

December 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Bobby H

December 2nd, 2012
8:47 pm
Don’t be confused into thinking that, George_George, is a real person.

There’s no way a real person could really be that stupid.
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What are you picking on me for? I never called you stupid, but now I might have to reconsider. nolie thinks I am not all that bad.

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