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As long as it’s Medlen alone, or Medlen + Spruill/Salcedo. Something minor in addition. I’d much rather Minor or Maholm though… trade Medlen, we’re depending on Minor and Huddy to lead our rotation for the season.
The Braves can go after some mid-range LF to fill the position for the next few years, one that will cost a lot of money for mid-range performance, or they can stop messing around and go after Myers or Stanton and take care of LF for the next 5 or 6 years.
Stanton has injury issues, Myers is unproven, but I’d take either, even with the cost in players, over Swisher.
That’s a lineup that’s going to do some damage. Hit Uggla cleanup for the first month or two while Myers gets his feet wet and then swap them and see if the kid sinks or swims.
If it takes Medlin, I want Stanton from Miami. At least he is proven.
I’m afraid Stanton is proven in a way that Medlen is not.
Medlen for Myers seems fair, depending on how one values pitchers vs position players. If the two players were to both prove out on potential, the trade would still seem fair, and you can’t really ask for more than that.
efrim I think I’d rather give Bossman Junior six years, $96 million than Nick Swisher four years, $60 million.
i could see that if upton was an excellent defender, like bourn. i dont really know if BJ is going to help you win more games that swisher would, though. plus, a shorter commitment…out of those two deals id do the swisher one.
Good morning all
Nice to have a new blog, but I wish DAVID would STOP PROMOTING BJ as the second comming, the guy is just NOT THAT GOOD, just look at his batting ave the past three years. The guy can’t even hit .250 thats only one hit in four ABs. Nickname BOSSMAN JR, he will try to boss the clubhouse. FREDI will not be able to keep him in line. PLEASE NO BJ, PLEASE PHILLY TAKE HIM.
Except that I don’t think the Swisher contract you speak of would be tradeable, whereas the Upton contract would be. I don’t think anyone signs a player thinking they’ll go bust, but the tradeability of the contracts (if necessary) kinda renders the “commitment” issue moot, in my opinion. That also comes into play a little more because of the possibility that a Braves’ home-grown LF may show up, while a home-grown CF seems not quite as likely.
IF it takes a Delgado or a Teharan PLUS Medlin for Myers, would you do that. @George, DOB doesn’t need me or anyone else to take up for him but I have not read where DOB has Upton as the second coming. He has only reported that the Braves have him as a top priority. He has written the good and the bad with him but I don’t see the love that you are claiming. Maybe I am missing something.
Plus you are getting 6 years of Myers vs. 3 years left of Medlen. I would do that deal.
Yep.
I would think that the Swisher contract is slightly more tradeable than Upton if they both underpeform… Swisher has a track record of success, BJ doesn’t. Plus there commitment in years and money is less for him. Much easier to dump, imo.
Plus you are getting 6 years of Myers vs. 3 years left of Medlen. I would do that deal. – CB
I would probably sign that deal also if I were Wren. If I were Dayton I would have to agree with scoots, making Francoeur a starter means Medlen alone would not be enough.
November 26th, 2012
10:41 am
Upton will cost $15 mil per year for at least four years.
Bourn will cost at least that much if not more than that in years and total dollars.
Swisher has BY FAR the best offensive numbers of the bunch. He gets on base more than either BJ or Bourn. He has a higher OPS than either BJ or Bourn. He is consistent – puts up the same numbers year after year. He switch hits. He’ll be no older than Bourn will be at contract’s end.
I fail to see the hate.
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Lew makes GOOD SENSE with the above like he always does at least 99.9% of his posts.
November 26th, 2012
10:41 am
Upton will cost $15 mil per year for at least four years.
Bourn will cost at least that much if not more than that in years and total dollars.
Swisher has BY FAR the best offensive numbers of the bunch. He gets on base more than either BJ or Bourn. He has a higher OPS than either BJ or Bourn. He is consistent – puts up the same numbers year after year. He switch hits. He’ll be no older than Bourn will be at contract’s end.
I fail to see the hate.
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Lew makes GOOD SENSE with the above like he always does at least 99.9% of his posts.
po
Not gonna let Gattis keep me from the RH, possibly more powerful version of Heyward. But I bet Frank wouldn’t even give him. He let Minor stop us from getting Pence…
So, first off. I think that everyone on here that’s freaking out about the Braves signing Upton should relax. If I had to bet, I would be on him signing elsewhere. The reason I say that is because every time that a free agent is said to “be on the cusp” of signing with the Braves. Or..that the Braves are the frontrunner. Even so much as “confirmed” reported signings with the Braves….they don’t. Let’s look at the history.
-Mike Hampton
-ARod (I’ll never forget this, I went to bed watching Peter Gammons on Baseball Tonight saying that he thought that ARod was going to become a Brave and then I woke to the news that Texas signed him)
-Griffey Jr.
-Furcal
-Peavy
-Burnett
-Dempster
I’m sure that there could be others that I’m forgetting but those are the ones that stick. And those names cover a long period of time. Times when the Braves were truly trying to win a World Series and would spend money to improve the team and many more after they were sold and became cheap.
So, I for one do want Upton (if we’re not going to resign Bourn {which I don’t understand why they won’t whatever they’re offering Upton has to be really close to whatever Bourn is going to get}). But I do not have high hopes for that happening. I expect him to be a Philly by weeks end.
As a longtime Rays Fan who recently moved to this area, the Braves don’t want Upton. He has all the talent in the world and doesn’t use it. There are no tears among Rays fans that he’s leaving. He refuses to hustle and has been called out on it by players and coaches. This is playing for a playoff contender. No excuse for not hustling, not a bad guy in the clubhouse, not a leader by any means. Rays have a history of signing long term the players they want to keep, BJ was not on that list.
I just watched the season finale of “Treme” and it capped an outstanding year with great music and storylines. It is amazing how this show weaves all the characters and storylines together with music and the heart and soul of New Orleans as the common denominator. I also like that this show features many actors from The Wire, Deadwood and Homicide:Life on the Streets, some of TV’s best efforts.
Next week we have finales for The Walking Dead (the very best show going right now), Boardwalk Empire and Sons of Anarchy. BTW, Justified comes back in January.
My wife is running in the St. Jude Children’s Hospital marathon in Memphis this weekend. (She even managed to raise a little over $1,500 for St. Jude’s.)
So… I was wondering where I should go eat while she is running?
Man did the Pack take it on the chin last night. I guess they were due for a bad game but they need to fix the O-line problem or they are going nowhere.
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
The Braves wouldn’t give up MInor when he had an ERA of close to 5. They certainly won’t trade him after putting up a 2.14 ERA his last 13 starts.
Fowler/Swisher feels like a step back from Bourn/Chipper. Maybe it’s just a face-value thing, but that doesn’t feel like an improved team at all. Feels like a team that’s going to struggle to make a run at the Wild Card.
Maybe their numbers indicate otherwise, i haven’t looked into either Fowler or Swisher much, but my first impression is that the team would be worse than they were last season.
Murph – I agree that Span/Fowler vs Bourn is a definite downgrade. However, I think that Swisher’s production would be an upgrade over the 2012 version of Chipper Jones (NS batted around .270 with 24 HR and 93 RBI).
I’m not sure any move we make will be an upgrade in both places, unfortunately.
Murph, you are correct. Fowler/Swisher is a downgrade from last years roster, so is Laird compared to Ross. We need something that can help us win the division and not just trying for that wild card game.
scoots That also comes into play a little more because of the possibility that a Braves’ home-grown LF may show up, while a home-grown CF seems not quite as likely.
good point. it would be nice to have the CF position locked up.
tony, I’d have to think that Gattis goes the other way in such a Myers deal, assuming KC wanted an OF as part of the package. – ncscoots
Yeah, I’d sign off on Medlen/Gattis for Myers. I sure would hate to lose Medlen though and hope he wouldn’t think of trading him as a slap in the face. But, from what I’ve read over the years, players know this is a business.
Good morning all
Nice to have a new blog, but I wish DAVID would STOP PROMOTING BJ as the second comming, the guy is just NOT THAT GOOD, just look at his batting ave the past three years. — George_George
Might want to actually read the blog before commenting on it. I’m not “promoting” Upton for anything. Or calling him the “second coming” (I fixed your spelling). I’ve made it clear I think Bourn’s a better fit for this team, and have pointed out Upton’s sub-.300 OBP in ‘12, his three consecutive seasons of 160-plus strikeouts, and how he’s sacrificed contact for power in recent years.
So I’m really not sure what, if anything, you’re reading of what I’ve written about Upton. I do think that if they don’t want to spend the money or sign Bourn for as many years as Boras is seeking (and I don’t blame the Braves; I wouldn’t want to either), and if they can’t sign Pagan or pry Span from the Twins in a reasonable deal, then Upton might be the best fit. But I’d rather sign Pagan, long as you can keep it to about three years, or three plus an option, at about $10 million or so per season.
Swisher is very consistent, there’s no arguing that. I like him a lot better at $11-12mil per season over 4 years than I do at $14-15mil per season over 4 years, though.
Gotta face facts that the FA market sucks. We’re arguing over whether it’s better to sign Upton or Swisher… neither is that guy, the one we’re looking for to put us over the top. The only one of those in Hamilton, and he’s just too darn expensive to justify.
Is Myers that guy? Problem is that nobody knows. That makes it hard to give up a proven pitcher like Medlen or Minor for him. Stanton is that guy, but he’d cost half the system plus a few players nobody wants to lose from the MLB roster.
I was so excited for this offseason, and with each passing day I’m getting more and more filled with dread.
I was so excited for this offseason, and with each passing day I’m getting more and more filled with dread. – Murph
I read on MLBTR (take it for what it’s worth) that the Braves and the Phillies are in an interesting bidding war. That’s what I’m dreading, hearing Upton signed with the Braves for an obscene amount of money that is going to handcuff this team.
Is Myers that guy? Problem is that nobody knows. That makes it hard to give up a proven pitcher like Medlen or Minor for him.
I don’t think you’d be trading for Myers because you think he’s the answer for 2013, but for the three or four years after. That core of Heyward, Freeman, Myers potentially forms a lethal middle of the order that you can build around while they are all under club control. Nothing is harder to find offensively than middle-order power, and that threesome would give the Braves immense flexibility to set the other components of their team.
But there isn’t much doubt that the 2013 pitching would take a hit in order to make such a trade, and it would be unwise to expect that Myers’ rookie season could overcome that, all by his lonesome.
Once he returns, he might run into some problems. Players who have recently undergone shoulder surgeries typically have a hard time putting up big numbers. Thanks to our good friend Jeff Zimmerman, I looked at the players who had shoulder surgery in recent years. The results are pretty ugly.
Shoulder Surgeries Result
Jason Kendall Missed entire 2011 season
Diory Hernandez Hit .201/.229/.308 in AAA
Geovany Soto Numbers dropped to .228/.310/.411
Freddy Sanchez Sidelined until June recovering. Back injury ended his 2012 season in July.
Daric Barton Hit .204/.338/.292 in 136 PAs with A’s
J.D. Drew Did not play in 2012. May have retired.
I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.
I don’t think the reason that Kendall, Diory, Soto, et al, had a “hard time putting up big numbers” was even in the same zipcode of “shoulder surgery”.
I mean, if you throw “Brian McCann” in that list, how hard is it to figure out “which does not belong”?
The Marlins may be in a fire sale, but I doubt if they are remotely considering trading Stanton. I think the taxpayers of Miami would burn the stadium down if they made that move. Even if they got five MLB ready good players back for Stanton, the PR debacle of moving him would be more than the team could risk.
I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.
That’s a whole lotta love for two pitchers who don’t have 100 ML starts between them, man. That’s basically saying that you think the chances of Medlen becoming Greg Maddux are better than those of Wil Myers becoming Jason Heyward.
DOB I’m glad you are checking in on the blog to set some of these folks straight. I guess reading comprehension isn’t emphasized in school like it used to be. Makes me crazy what is inferred by some after “reading” what has been written. That, and the murderous spelling of the players’ names.
Rays fan is correct that no one is crying over the team not signing Upton as much as they were Carl my heart is in boston Crawford (who you can add to the long-term deal list the Rays have signed in the past, him and Rocco Baldeli were the first — and it takes 2 to tango; Price wants no such deal). I like Upton, just not for $15M a year.
I mean, if you throw “Brian McCann” in that list, how hard is it to figure out “which does not belong”?
He’s the only one who isn’t skinny!
That’s basically saying that you think the chances of Medlen becoming Greg Maddux are better than those of Wil Myers becoming Jason Heyward.
I believe that Myers has the better chance… he could even be better! We could use a nice young power hitter from the right side… we’ve got more pitching in the minors.
Why not go with a youth movement, with Uggla and McCann in the middle of our lineup we’re going nowhere anyway, stockpile some $$$$$$$ for 2014, say no to the Upton’s and keep Delgado, Teheran and Ahmed.
I saw your recent tweets on our Tv deal. What type of long term ramifications will it have on our payroll? If we stay around 100mil or so, with a good farm I think we could stay competitve. Does it make purchasing the organization less desireable?
There is no way the Brave’s are gonna trade Medlin,Minor,Beachy,Venters and Kimbrel for outfield prospects.If they even think about it they will lose this fan and many more.What should happen is sign Pagan for centerfield/leadoff and platoon Prado with Gattis in left and Francisco at 3rd and have Gattis backup up Laird the first 2 months at catcher and use Mejia as a pinch-hitter(can’t do any worse than Hinske did last season!).That way Prado will play every day and the other guys get a shot.Resign Reed Johnson as a Backup to all outfielders and give Durbin another shot at middle relief.
I heard K.C. wants Medlin and Minor and a reliever like Avilan for Wil Myers!……………crazy! Myers is a very good prospect but not as good as Trout or Harper and I wouldn’t even think about letting Medlin or Minor go as both are going to be Atlanta’s next Maddux(Medlin) and Glavine(Minor).You might think I am crazy but mark my words……these guys are the real deal!
It don’t make a hill of beans what we bloggers think, Wren is going to do what he loves doing most and that will be to keep digging those dumpsters until everybody being discussed has been signed by somebody else.
Agree trading Medlen and Gattis for Myers is a move that makes us stronger in 2014 and beyond more than 2013. I think this is the way to go — making sure that the 2014- 2018 team is a perenial title contender. The 2013 season involves crossing fingers that Uggla thinks he’s still a Marlin and hits like it and that McCann bounces back to 2010 form. It also assumes that Medlen, who has never pitched more than 130 innings in his career, can assume the burden of an ace and give us 200 quality innings. Adding a Swisher/Cody Ross type and BJ Upton or Fowler/Span to those question marks does not make us a sure playoff team next year and adds payroll and age constraints going forward. .Myers is the TOP position player graduating to the majors next year — such a player becomes a Chipper, Andruw, Jeter, ARod, Konerko, Braun, Heyward, Posey, Harper, Trout more often than not. BJ Upton would be a name on that list who has under performed based on his potential andhas still been good enough to warrant interest at $15 million/year or more. Every superstar has at one time been a rookie with potential.
Interesting discussion… the next few weeks will tell the tale.
For what it’s worth (about what you paid for it), my first choice is still Hamilton up to 20/5 +option years on games started. After that I’d trade Teheran + Delgago + Ahmed + a couple more guys down the food chain for Stanton.
If that can’t be done, I’d trade the same crowd for Wil Myers and maybe Maholm if necessary. It would take a Tex deal to get either Stanton or Myers but its worth it for 4-6 years of control. The Tex deal stunk because of 1.5 years of control. The way I see it, years of control is the overriding consideration for impact players.
Finally, if none of the above works, Swisher and Pagan in that order are my choices over Bourn or Upton. Prado or Simmons can leadoff in a pinch if it comes to that. I don’t think the Braves are all that serious about Bourn after his second half and strikeouts.
Brother O does it again. How I wondered could he be singing such a slow lame song. Well’ with “O” riginality, of course. Starting to sound to me like the Braves are fairly deep in viable options across the board. Fun to see what’s going to happen.
DOB— I know the Braves have 2 big holes to fill and a bench piece or 2 but it sure seems to me they need another RH reliever. What’s your take? Im thinking Matt Capps on a 1yr/$2-3mil deal. Serious strike thrower that gets some ground balls. Good guy to bring in mid-inning with runners on. Thanks
Dave,
Teheran + Delgado + Ahmed + guys down the food chain is not enough to get either Mike Stanton (who is probably not for sale anyway) or Will Myers.
I keep reading about Greinke and possible setting a record contract deal for RHP. I just don’t get it. He may be a decent pitcher, but to pay him as the best pitcher in the game is a tad ludicrous.
With Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in their prime , I have to wonder how much $$ they’d be worth in today’s market.
I wouldn’t even think about letting Medlin or Minor go as both are going to be Atlanta’s next Maddux(Medlin) and Glavine(Minor).You might think I am crazy but mark my words……these guys are the real deal!
As far as I’m concerned, you’re one of the few sane persons here. I agree 1000% percent.
“I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.”
Yeah, and your job isn’t on the line when you play GM fantasy baseball. Others are proposing specific dollar figures for players to buy and giving up all the minor league talent for a chance to make the big run next year. We have the best pitching staff in baseball for more than a decade, along with the beloved Bobby C, and win 1 championship. Now, we lose Chipper,McCann is a shell of himself, and suddenly Upton and a drug addict are going to be the final pieces of the puzzle. This is weird talk.
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ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
11:15 am
Yeah, I think Dayton would want Medlen back for Myers.
I wouldn’t hang up the phone on that.
Somebody check to see how tall Myers is.
Pippa's Meaty Backside
November 26th, 2012
11:17 am
“If KC would take something centered around Delgado or Teheran, I say do it, and quickly.”
Yeah, good idea.Let’s do it before KC realizes it’s a really bad deal,OK?
Jeff R
November 26th, 2012
11:19 am
For Myers, I’d tell KC to take its pick: Hanson, Maholm or Hudson?
Think ol Dayton would take the bait?
Murph
November 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Myers hit 37 HR last season while batting .314/.387/.600/.987.
21 years old, plays a position that the Braves need to fill, hits RH…
If the Royals want Medlen, give them Medlen.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Yeah, I think Dayton would want Medlen back for Myers.
I wouldn’t necessarily say no, though the cost is pretty steep.
Scoots, Myer’s is 6′3
Efrim
November 26th, 2012
11:21 am
Just waiting for one of the dominos to fall. Been a quiet offseason to date, imo. Things will get crazy over the next ten days, I’m sure.
Ray
November 26th, 2012
11:22 am
The price for Myers would start with Medlin.
chipl1960
November 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Medlen
Braveone
November 26th, 2012
11:27 am
From the previous blog which had 2,500 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 169 posts. There were 357 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
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1 TheOnlyBravesFan 169
2 Lew 109
3 Disgusted 106
4 VaBravesFan 69
5 Jeff R 63
6 ncscoots 63
7 Venice Jim 60
8 Shaun 59
9 Heath 55
10 richbrave 55
11 jeffrey d 52
12 P-Town Brave © 39
13 BravesFanSince80s 37
14 brian 36
15 Mark 35
16 ncgary 35
17 BravePack(FreeFan) 33
18 Peter 33
19 Bobby H 32
20 kenhotlanta 32
21 uga-brave 32
22 Efrim 31
23 TennesseePaul 31
24 Ward 30
25 74bravesjersey 29
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
11:28 am
You guys should also remember that one of the costs of moving Myers is retaining Francoeur as a starter. That might make me want to raise the ask.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
11:30 am
As long as it’s Medlen alone, or Medlen + Spruill/Salcedo. Something minor in addition. I’d much rather Minor or Maholm though… trade Medlen, we’re depending on Minor and Huddy to lead our rotation for the season.
ALJ
November 26th, 2012
11:32 am
If it takes Medlin, I want Stanton from Miami. At least he is proven.
JT Grace
November 26th, 2012
11:32 am
Someone needs to update the photo in the upper left. That is Mejia, not Gattis.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
11:36 am
The Braves can go after some mid-range LF to fill the position for the next few years, one that will cost a lot of money for mid-range performance, or they can stop messing around and go after Myers or Stanton and take care of LF for the next 5 or 6 years.
Stanton has injury issues, Myers is unproven, but I’d take either, even with the cost in players, over Swisher.
1. Prado
2. Upton
3. Heyward
4. Myers
5. Freeman
6. Uggla
7. BMac
8. Simmons
That’s a lineup that’s going to do some damage. Hit Uggla cleanup for the first month or two while Myers gets his feet wet and then swap them and see if the kid sinks or swims.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
11:36 am
If it takes Medlin, I want Stanton from Miami. At least he is proven.
I’m afraid Stanton is proven in a way that Medlen is not.
Medlen for Myers seems fair, depending on how one values pitchers vs position players. If the two players were to both prove out on potential, the trade would still seem fair, and you can’t really ask for more than that.
DAP
November 26th, 2012
11:38 am
efrim I think I’d rather give Bossman Junior six years, $96 million than Nick Swisher four years, $60 million.
i could see that if upton was an excellent defender, like bourn. i dont really know if BJ is going to help you win more games that swisher would, though. plus, a shorter commitment…out of those two deals id do the swisher one.
George_George
November 26th, 2012
11:38 am
Good morning all
Nice to have a new blog, but I wish DAVID would STOP PROMOTING BJ as the second comming, the guy is just NOT THAT GOOD, just look at his batting ave the past three years. The guy can’t even hit .250 thats only one hit in four ABs. Nickname BOSSMAN JR, he will try to boss the clubhouse. FREDI will not be able to keep him in line. PLEASE NO BJ, PLEASE PHILLY TAKE HIM.
CB
November 26th, 2012
11:40 am
Plus you are getting 6 years of Myers vs. 3 years left of Medlen. I would do that deal.
ALJ
November 26th, 2012
11:41 am
Dap is right, Swisher over Upton.
ALJ
November 26th, 2012
11:43 am
Myers born 12/10/1990. Same day I started my current job. Way to make me feel old.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
11:43 am
plus, a shorter commitment
Except that I don’t think the Swisher contract you speak of would be tradeable, whereas the Upton contract would be. I don’t think anyone signs a player thinking they’ll go bust, but the tradeability of the contracts (if necessary) kinda renders the “commitment” issue moot, in my opinion. That also comes into play a little more because of the possibility that a Braves’ home-grown LF may show up, while a home-grown CF seems not quite as likely.
Patrick
November 26th, 2012
11:46 am
Who is the one that made this awful TV deal.
Was it Liberty Media?
Or was is somone in the Braves front office. Namely McGuirk???
Ray
November 26th, 2012
11:49 am
IF it takes a Delgado or a Teharan PLUS Medlin for Myers, would you do that. @George, DOB doesn’t need me or anyone else to take up for him but I have not read where DOB has Upton as the second coming. He has only reported that the Braves have him as a top priority. He has written the good and the bad with him but I don’t see the love that you are claiming. Maybe I am missing something.
raleighbravefan
November 26th, 2012
11:50 am
Patrick – It was Time Warner (now long gone from Braves). You don’t have to blame EVERYTHING on LM or the Braves front office.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
11:50 am
Plus you are getting 6 years of Myers vs. 3 years left of Medlen. I would do that deal.
Yep.
I would think that the Swisher contract is slightly more tradeable than Upton if they both underpeform… Swisher has a track record of success, BJ doesn’t. Plus there commitment in years and money is less for him. Much easier to dump, imo.
tony austin
November 26th, 2012
11:52 am
Plus you are getting 6 years of Myers vs. 3 years left of Medlen. I would do that deal. – CB
I would probably sign that deal also if I were Wren. If I were Dayton I would have to agree with scoots, making Francoeur a starter means Medlen alone would not be enough.
George_George
November 26th, 2012
11:57 am
Lew
November 26th, 2012
10:41 am
Upton will cost $15 mil per year for at least four years.
Bourn will cost at least that much if not more than that in years and total dollars.
Swisher has BY FAR the best offensive numbers of the bunch. He gets on base more than either BJ or Bourn. He has a higher OPS than either BJ or Bourn. He is consistent – puts up the same numbers year after year. He switch hits. He’ll be no older than Bourn will be at contract’s end.
I fail to see the hate.
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Lew makes GOOD SENSE with the above like he always does at least 99.9% of his posts.
George_George
November 26th, 2012
11:59 am
Lew
November 26th, 2012
10:41 am
Upton will cost $15 mil per year for at least four years.
Bourn will cost at least that much if not more than that in years and total dollars.
Swisher has BY FAR the best offensive numbers of the bunch. He gets on base more than either BJ or Bourn. He has a higher OPS than either BJ or Bourn. He is consistent – puts up the same numbers year after year. He switch hits. He’ll be no older than Bourn will be at contract’s end.
I fail to see the hate.
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Lew makes GOOD SENSE with the above like he always does at least 99.9% of his posts.
po
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
11:59 am
tony, I’d have to think that Gattis goes the other way in such a Myers deal, assuming KC wanted an OF as part of the package.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
12:05 pm
Not gonna let Gattis keep me from the RH, possibly more powerful version of Heyward. But I bet Frank wouldn’t even give him. He let Minor stop us from getting Pence…
Patrick
November 26th, 2012
12:06 pm
So, first off. I think that everyone on here that’s freaking out about the Braves signing Upton should relax. If I had to bet, I would be on him signing elsewhere. The reason I say that is because every time that a free agent is said to “be on the cusp” of signing with the Braves. Or..that the Braves are the frontrunner. Even so much as “confirmed” reported signings with the Braves….they don’t. Let’s look at the history.
-Mike Hampton
-ARod (I’ll never forget this, I went to bed watching Peter Gammons on Baseball Tonight saying that he thought that ARod was going to become a Brave and then I woke to the news that Texas signed him)
-Griffey Jr.
-Furcal
-Peavy
-Burnett
-Dempster
I’m sure that there could be others that I’m forgetting but those are the ones that stick. And those names cover a long period of time. Times when the Braves were truly trying to win a World Series and would spend money to improve the team and many more after they were sold and became cheap.
So, I for one do want Upton (if we’re not going to resign Bourn {which I don’t understand why they won’t whatever they’re offering Upton has to be really close to whatever Bourn is going to get}). But I do not have high hopes for that happening. I expect him to be a Philly by weeks end.
ray fan
November 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
As a longtime Rays Fan who recently moved to this area, the Braves don’t want Upton. He has all the talent in the world and doesn’t use it. There are no tears among Rays fans that he’s leaving. He refuses to hustle and has been called out on it by players and coaches. This is playing for a playoff contender. No excuse for not hustling, not a bad guy in the clubhouse, not a leader by any means. Rays have a history of signing long term the players they want to keep, BJ was not on that list.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
tony, I’d have to think that Gattis goes the other way in such a Myers deal, assuming KC wanted an OF as part of the package.
Even I, one of Gattis’ biggest fans, would have no problem sending him to KC in exchange for Myers if that’s what it takes.
Give ‘em one of Medlen or Minor, give ‘em Gattis, and if they can also get one of the really good BP arms that KC has, throw in some other pieces too.
Just get us Myers!
kenhotlanta
November 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
I just watched the season finale of “Treme” and it capped an outstanding year with great music and storylines. It is amazing how this show weaves all the characters and storylines together with music and the heart and soul of New Orleans as the common denominator. I also like that this show features many actors from The Wire, Deadwood and Homicide:Life on the Streets, some of TV’s best efforts.
Next week we have finales for The Walking Dead (the very best show going right now), Boardwalk Empire and Sons of Anarchy. BTW, Justified comes back in January.
Bayou Brave
November 26th, 2012
12:16 pm
DOB,
My wife is running in the St. Jude Children’s Hospital marathon in Memphis this weekend. (She even managed to raise a little over $1,500 for St. Jude’s.)
So… I was wondering where I should go eat while she is running?
Thanks!
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
I would rather give up Minor than Medlen. So let’s do a Minor and Gattis for Myers.
bravesfaninnc
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
per mlbtraderumors, looks like we are kicking the tires on Nick Swisher
personally, I think I’d much rather sign him than Upton and go after Fowler or Span for CF and leadoff
CF Fowler / Span
3B Prado
RF Heyward
LF Swisher
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
get bounceback years from Uggla and McCann and that’s a pretty strong lineup
Lew
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
The Braves wouldn’t give up MInor when he had an ERA of close to 5. They certainly won’t trade him after putting up a 2.14 ERA his last 13 starts.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
Man did the Pack take it on the chin last night. I guess they were due for a bad game but they need to fix the O-line problem or they are going nowhere.
RC
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
Rays have a history of signing long term the players they want to keep, BJ was not on that list.
By that logic, here is the list of players the Rays want to keep:
1. Evan Longoria
2. ………
3. ………
4. ………
George_George
November 26th, 2012
12:33 pm
Lew
November 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
The Braves wouldn’t give up MInor when he had an ERA of close to 5. They certainly won’t trade him after putting up a 2.14 ERA his last 13 starts.
*******
I also cannot see giveing up MEDLEN.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
12:34 pm
Fowler/Swisher feels like a step back from Bourn/Chipper. Maybe it’s just a face-value thing, but that doesn’t feel like an improved team at all. Feels like a team that’s going to struggle to make a run at the Wild Card.
Maybe their numbers indicate otherwise, i haven’t looked into either Fowler or Swisher much, but my first impression is that the team would be worse than they were last season.
bravesfaninnc
November 26th, 2012
12:39 pm
Murph – I agree that Span/Fowler vs Bourn is a definite downgrade. However, I think that Swisher’s production would be an upgrade over the 2012 version of Chipper Jones (NS batted around .270 with 24 HR and 93 RBI).
I’m not sure any move we make will be an upgrade in both places, unfortunately.
unbelievable
November 26th, 2012
12:39 pm
Murph, you are correct. Fowler/Swisher is a downgrade from last years roster, so is Laird compared to Ross. We need something that can help us win the division and not just trying for that wild card game.
DAP
November 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
scoots That also comes into play a little more because of the possibility that a Braves’ home-grown LF may show up, while a home-grown CF seems not quite as likely.
good point. it would be nice to have the CF position locked up.
Pippa's Meaty Backside
November 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
“I would rather give up Minor than Medlen. So let’s do a Minor and Gattis for Myers.”
OK, I’ll let FW know.
JoeFan
November 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
Just hope Wren can control himself and back off from Upton.
ray fan
November 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
Add Matt Moore and James Shields to the Rays list
tony austin
November 26th, 2012
12:48 pm
tony, I’d have to think that Gattis goes the other way in such a Myers deal, assuming KC wanted an OF as part of the package. – ncscoots
Yeah, I’d sign off on Medlen/Gattis for Myers. I sure would hate to lose Medlen though and hope he wouldn’t think of trading him as a slap in the face. But, from what I’ve read over the years, players know this is a business.
David O'Brien
November 26th, 2012
12:49 pm
Good morning all
Nice to have a new blog, but I wish DAVID would STOP PROMOTING BJ as the second comming, the guy is just NOT THAT GOOD, just look at his batting ave the past three years. — George_George
Might want to actually read the blog before commenting on it. I’m not “promoting” Upton for anything. Or calling him the “second coming” (I fixed your spelling). I’ve made it clear I think Bourn’s a better fit for this team, and have pointed out Upton’s sub-.300 OBP in ‘12, his three consecutive seasons of 160-plus strikeouts, and how he’s sacrificed contact for power in recent years.
So I’m really not sure what, if anything, you’re reading of what I’ve written about Upton. I do think that if they don’t want to spend the money or sign Bourn for as many years as Boras is seeking (and I don’t blame the Braves; I wouldn’t want to either), and if they can’t sign Pagan or pry Span from the Twins in a reasonable deal, then Upton might be the best fit. But I’d rather sign Pagan, long as you can keep it to about three years, or three plus an option, at about $10 million or so per season.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
12:49 pm
Swisher is very consistent, there’s no arguing that. I like him a lot better at $11-12mil per season over 4 years than I do at $14-15mil per season over 4 years, though.
Gotta face facts that the FA market sucks. We’re arguing over whether it’s better to sign Upton or Swisher… neither is that guy, the one we’re looking for to put us over the top. The only one of those in Hamilton, and he’s just too darn expensive to justify.
Is Myers that guy? Problem is that nobody knows. That makes it hard to give up a proven pitcher like Medlen or Minor for him. Stanton is that guy, but he’d cost half the system plus a few players nobody wants to lose from the MLB roster.
I was so excited for this offseason, and with each passing day I’m getting more and more filled with dread.
David O'Brien
November 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
Someone needs to update the photo in the upper left. That is Mejia, not Gattis. — JT Grace
Not sure which photo you’re referring to. But the first one on the blog, on left side, is Gattis.
tony austin
November 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
I was so excited for this offseason, and with each passing day I’m getting more and more filled with dread. – Murph
I read on MLBTR (take it for what it’s worth) that the Braves and the Phillies are in an interesting bidding war. That’s what I’m dreading, hearing Upton signed with the Braves for an obscene amount of money that is going to handcuff this team.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
12:57 pm
I still like the idea floated a couple of weeks ago…
Freeman and Teheran for Stanton
Sign Laroche
Sign Upton or trade for Span
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
Is Myers that guy? Problem is that nobody knows. That makes it hard to give up a proven pitcher like Medlen or Minor for him.
I don’t think you’d be trading for Myers because you think he’s the answer for 2013, but for the three or four years after. That core of Heyward, Freeman, Myers potentially forms a lethal middle of the order that you can build around while they are all under club control. Nothing is harder to find offensively than middle-order power, and that threesome would give the Braves immense flexibility to set the other components of their team.
But there isn’t much doubt that the 2013 pitching would take a hit in order to make such a trade, and it would be unwise to expect that Myers’ rookie season could overcome that, all by his lonesome.
jim
November 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Someone asked earlier how many games Gattis has played in the field in Ven. — about 5 Until recently he was exclusively a DH.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
1:07 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/brian-mccann-no-sure-thing/
Once he returns, he might run into some problems. Players who have recently undergone shoulder surgeries typically have a hard time putting up big numbers. Thanks to our good friend Jeff Zimmerman, I looked at the players who had shoulder surgery in recent years. The results are pretty ugly.
Shoulder Surgeries Result
Jason Kendall Missed entire 2011 season
Diory Hernandez Hit .201/.229/.308 in AAA
Geovany Soto Numbers dropped to .228/.310/.411
Freddy Sanchez Sidelined until June recovering. Back injury ended his 2012 season in July.
Daric Barton Hit .204/.338/.292 in 136 PAs with A’s
J.D. Drew Did not play in 2012. May have retired.
Sam
November 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
I don’t think the reason that Kendall, Diory, Soto, et al, had a “hard time putting up big numbers” was even in the same zipcode of “shoulder surgery”.
I mean, if you throw “Brian McCann” in that list, how hard is it to figure out “which does not belong”?
Sam
November 26th, 2012
1:12 pm
Get ‘em DOB!!
jim
November 26th, 2012
1:14 pm
The Marlins may be in a fire sale, but I doubt if they are remotely considering trading Stanton. I think the taxpayers of Miami would burn the stadium down if they made that move. Even if they got five MLB ready good players back for Stanton, the PR debacle of moving him would be more than the team could risk.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.
That’s a whole lotta love for two pitchers who don’t have 100 ML starts between them, man. That’s basically saying that you think the chances of Medlen becoming Greg Maddux are better than those of Wil Myers becoming Jason Heyward.
DAP
November 26th, 2012
1:22 pm
talking about trading kris medlen and freddie freeman is a sure sign were getting desperate on here.
chipl1960
November 26th, 2012
1:22 pm
DOB I’m glad you are checking in on the blog to set some of these folks straight. I guess reading comprehension isn’t emphasized in school like it used to be. Makes me crazy what is inferred by some after “reading” what has been written. That, and the murderous spelling of the players’ names.
Eric in Tampa
November 26th, 2012
1:22 pm
Rays fan is correct that no one is crying over the team not signing Upton as much as they were Carl my heart is in boston Crawford (who you can add to the long-term deal list the Rays have signed in the past, him and Rocco Baldeli were the first — and it takes 2 to tango; Price wants no such deal). I like Upton, just not for $15M a year.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 26th, 2012
1:22 pm
I mean, if you throw “Brian McCann” in that list, how hard is it to figure out “which does not belong”?
He’s the only one who isn’t skinny!
That’s basically saying that you think the chances of Medlen becoming Greg Maddux are better than those of Wil Myers becoming Jason Heyward.
I believe that Myers has the better chance… he could even be better! We could use a nice young power hitter from the right side… we’ve got more pitching in the minors.
jose wales
November 26th, 2012
1:23 pm
Why not go with a youth movement, with Uggla and McCann in the middle of our lineup we’re going nowhere anyway, stockpile some $$$$$$$ for 2014, say no to the Upton’s and keep Delgado, Teheran and Ahmed.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
1:25 pm
talking about trading kris medlen and freddie freeman is a sure sign were getting desperate on here.
Just thinking outside the box a little, DAP. Desperation would be a Nick Swisher signing.
Bigwheel
November 26th, 2012
1:25 pm
I saw your recent tweets on our Tv deal. What type of long term ramifications will it have on our payroll? If we stay around 100mil or so, with a good farm I think we could stay competitve. Does it make purchasing the organization less desireable?
playem or tradem
November 26th, 2012
1:26 pm
There is no way the Brave’s are gonna trade Medlin,Minor,Beachy,Venters and Kimbrel for outfield prospects.If they even think about it they will lose this fan and many more.What should happen is sign Pagan for centerfield/leadoff and platoon Prado with Gattis in left and Francisco at 3rd and have Gattis backup up Laird the first 2 months at catcher and use Mejia as a pinch-hitter(can’t do any worse than Hinske did last season!).That way Prado will play every day and the other guys get a shot.Resign Reed Johnson as a Backup to all outfielders and give Durbin another shot at middle relief.
chipl1960
November 26th, 2012
1:28 pm
ITS MEDLEN NOT MEDLIN.
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
ITS MEDLEN NOT MEDLIN.
Maybe the fact that so many people can’t get his name correct is a sign that the guy should be traded, LOL. Something Freudian there, maybe.
playem or tradem
November 26th, 2012
1:33 pm
I heard K.C. wants Medlin and Minor and a reliever like Avilan for Wil Myers!……………crazy! Myers is a very good prospect but not as good as Trout or Harper and I wouldn’t even think about letting Medlin or Minor go as both are going to be Atlanta’s next Maddux(Medlin) and Glavine(Minor).You might think I am crazy but mark my words……these guys are the real deal!
playem or tradem
November 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
Hey chip1960 and ncscoots……………………..I do know how to spell azz-hole and U 2 fit the bill!
Bat Masterson
November 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
Not sure which photo you’re referring to. But the first one on the blog, on left side, is Gattis.
No batting gloves, I see. Fitting
Ralph
November 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
It don’t make a hill of beans what we bloggers think, Wren is going to do what he loves doing most and that will be to keep digging those dumpsters until everybody being discussed has been signed by somebody else.
jim
November 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
nscouts,
Agree trading Medlen and Gattis for Myers is a move that makes us stronger in 2014 and beyond more than 2013. I think this is the way to go — making sure that the 2014- 2018 team is a perenial title contender. The 2013 season involves crossing fingers that Uggla thinks he’s still a Marlin and hits like it and that McCann bounces back to 2010 form. It also assumes that Medlen, who has never pitched more than 130 innings in his career, can assume the burden of an ace and give us 200 quality innings. Adding a Swisher/Cody Ross type and BJ Upton or Fowler/Span to those question marks does not make us a sure playoff team next year and adds payroll and age constraints going forward. .Myers is the TOP position player graduating to the majors next year — such a player becomes a Chipper, Andruw, Jeter, ARod, Konerko, Braun, Heyward, Posey, Harper, Trout more often than not. BJ Upton would be a name on that list who has under performed based on his potential andhas still been good enough to warrant interest at $15 million/year or more. Every superstar has at one time been a rookie with potential.
Bat Masterson
November 26th, 2012
1:41 pm
Meldeen
Wren-a-player
November 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Ralph is right!Wren will fart around until he has no one left to sign and that will give him the excuse to use Schafer in Center and Gattis in Left!
AdirondackDave
November 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
Interesting discussion… the next few weeks will tell the tale.
For what it’s worth (about what you paid for it), my first choice is still Hamilton up to 20/5 +option years on games started. After that I’d trade Teheran + Delgago + Ahmed + a couple more guys down the food chain for Stanton.
If that can’t be done, I’d trade the same crowd for Wil Myers and maybe Maholm if necessary. It would take a Tex deal to get either Stanton or Myers but its worth it for 4-6 years of control. The Tex deal stunk because of 1.5 years of control. The way I see it, years of control is the overriding consideration for impact players.
Finally, if none of the above works, Swisher and Pagan in that order are my choices over Bourn or Upton. Prado or Simmons can leadoff in a pinch if it comes to that. I don’t think the Braves are all that serious about Bourn after his second half and strikeouts.
Bay Area Steve
November 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
“My wife is running in the St. Jude Children’s Hospital marathon…where I should go eat while she is running?”
Awesome.
Benchwarmer
November 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
Brother O does it again. How I wondered could he be singing such a slow lame song. Well’ with “O” riginality, of course. Starting to sound to me like the Braves are fairly deep in viable options across the board. Fun to see what’s going to happen.
Bay Area Steve
November 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
“My wife is running in the St. Jude Children’s Hospital marathon…where I should go eat while she is running?”
Awesome.
Big Nick
November 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
DOB— I know the Braves have 2 big holes to fill and a bench piece or 2 but it sure seems to me they need another RH reliever. What’s your take? Im thinking Matt Capps on a 1yr/$2-3mil deal. Serious strike thrower that gets some ground balls. Good guy to bring in mid-inning with runners on. Thanks
jim
November 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
Dave,
Teheran + Delgado + Ahmed + guys down the food chain is not enough to get either Mike Stanton (who is probably not for sale anyway) or Will Myers.
Bay Area Steve
November 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
“We’ll be lucky if the Braves still exist by the time that contract is up.”
Man, I thought phil was negative, but even he never Franchised! us.
Tampa Bay Braves' fan
November 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
I’m am perplexed that Frank Wren is serious about BJ Upton.
Trust me, the Braves do not need this guy !
AdirondackDave
November 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
Jim — I agree but just putting out my preferences… nothing ventured, nothing gained. It will probably come down to Pagan or Swisher.
Rick C
November 26th, 2012
2:12 pm
Big Nick, DOB has mentioned previously that they are hoping to bring back Chad Durbin.
Big Nick
November 26th, 2012
2:14 pm
Thanks Rick!
Elonbrave
November 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Dave, any chance of two Uptons in Atlanta uniforms next season? Upton-Upton-Heyward would be potent.
Elonbrave
November 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Dave, any chance of two Uptons in Atlanta uniforms next season? Upton-Upton-Heyward would be potent.
tony austin
November 26th, 2012
2:30 pm
I keep reading about Greinke and possible setting a record contract deal for RHP. I just don’t get it. He may be a decent pitcher, but to pay him as the best pitcher in the game is a tad ludicrous.
With Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in their prime , I have to wonder how much $$ they’d be worth in today’s market.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 26th, 2012
2:31 pm
I wouldn’t even think about letting Medlin or Minor go as both are going to be Atlanta’s next Maddux(Medlin) and Glavine(Minor).You might think I am crazy but mark my words……these guys are the real deal!
As far as I’m concerned, you’re one of the few sane persons here. I agree 1000% percent.
Pippa's Meaty Backside
November 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
“I’d give up Medlen or Minor if it meant getting an impact player like Justin Upton. For a minor leaguer who is totally unproven, I wouldn’t trade either of them in a second.”
Yeah, and your job isn’t on the line when you play GM fantasy baseball. Others are proposing specific dollar figures for players to buy and giving up all the minor league talent for a chance to make the big run next year. We have the best pitching staff in baseball for more than a decade, along with the beloved Bobby C, and win 1 championship. Now, we lose Chipper,McCann is a shell of himself, and suddenly Upton and a drug addict are going to be the final pieces of the puzzle. This is weird talk.
Murph
November 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
With Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in their prime , I have to wonder how much $$ they’d be worth in today’s market.
$20mil, $18mil, $22mil
tony austin
November 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
I sure wish I could edit my posts.
“I keep reading about Greinke and him possibly being offered a record contract deal for RHP…”
ncscoots
November 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
Man, I thought phil was negative, but even he never Franchised! us.
We need a new blog. This one already has a winner for Post Of The Blog.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
Upton-Upton-Heyward would be potent
It would also be a Terence Moore dream scenario, and he might even return to the AJC.
Jeff R
November 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Upton-Upton-Heyward would be potent
And not happening, except for those bloggers who move players around on teams to satisfy their imaginations.