9:50 pm November 25, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 27th, 20127:50 pm
Aside from Ross and Freeman, any Brave that accepted money for that wild card game debacle should be immediately released.
$20,000.00 for that garbage play? Please.
November 27th, 20127:54 pm
November 27th, 2012
Sir, you miss my point. YOU saw Andrew Jones dogging it. YOU saw him smiling. But you were LOOKING at something else–the best all-around CFer to ever play in ATL, with all due respect to Dale Murphy. You were seeing what you WANTED to see. I’m sorry you were unable to see Andrew Jones. I can’t help that.
I suspect some of the feedback we are getting from people who claim to know all about BJ Upton is much the same.
I, for one, would rather trust the front office people with pretty much every team having the need and the means for acquiring BJ Upton. They seem to like him pretty well, and discern no problem with his attitude. Which, of course, is different than his “attitude.”
Yup ANDREW was very very good, but he could have been even better and toward the end of his time here he put on wieght and got slow.
In my opinion, one of the biggest problems concerning Bourn is something I haven’t heard a great deal of talk about concerning his chances of remaining a Brave. Yes he’s going to demand big bucks, and yes there are concerns about the latter years of a 5/6 year deal with a player built around speed. With Boras as his agent, all the talk seems to be about the deal he will eventually get Bourn. From the Braves perspective, just as big of a problem is the time he will take dragging this out to get this deal. DOB has shared with us that Wren hinted the Braves discussed a long term contract in spring training and we’re told they weren’t prepared right then. Also, the Braves approached him right after the season wanting to talk and the ball “wasn’t returned after being served over”. This would indicate one of two things. We are not in the ballpark with the $ or they are going to take this deep into the winter before deciding (perhaps both). The Braves simply can’t wait to get an answer and risk missing out on everything. This might even go into January. Perhaps there are years and players the Braves could wait on and have a backup plan internally or whatever if it didn’t work. This isn’t the year. I think the Braves would pay well for Bourn, but not on his terms. Therefore, I just don’t see Bourn in the plans.
November 27th, 20128:03 pm
Agree. Braves can’t take a chance on being left out in the cold with CF. they will be aggressive and get someone early – my guess is by the end of the winter meetings if not before. LF or 3B can be addressed later.
But he does nothing to justisfy DOB banning him. he use’s no bad words, does not attack other bloggers. I just don;t get why DOB keeps banning him.
How long have you been commenting on this blog?
November 27th, 20128:05 pm
My personal feeling is that B.J. Upton will sign with Atlanta. Why? Simple. He would be afraid to sign with the Phillies because the fans won’t stand for sub standard play from someone making superstar money. Atlanta, however, is a different animal. Here we accept shyt from from players. We even spend time on blogs trying to crunch bullshyt numbers in a pathetic attempt to make players look like they are actually earning their ridiculous salaries. Upton, the second coming of Uggla. Oh joy, just can’t wait for the season to start so that we can have both hitting back-to-back and later on McCann will join the farce. And I’ll be here to never let you lamers forget how right I was, just like I’ve been doing since Uggla graced our doorstep.
November 27th, 20128:13 pm
BJ Upton’s agent is just wrapping up details with someone at this very moment . . . .
Brave New World
November 27th, 20128:15 pm
Chipper says $20k is just throw away money in a one game play off.
November 27th, 20128:18 pm
Yeah, we are just getting outsmarted by everyone on Upton. He’s terrible, right?
So our FO is smart enough to get a wild card spot in 2012 on a shoestring budget, but some of those teams we finished ahead of are so much smarter than us when it comes to Upton.
That just doesn’t compute. If he signs here, it won’t be because Philly fans are demanding and we are easy to keep happy. It will be for only one reason: on balance it makes more sense to sign him than to not sign him.
Just get over it.
November 27th, 20128:19 pm
Brave New World–
Braves have already contacted the Rockies about Fowler.
November 27th, 20128:20 pm
Andruw Jones almost has had 2 MLB careers: 1) he was one of the greatest defensive centerfielders to play the game, and also hit for power; then 2) he became a 4th outfielder who hits just enough home runs to keep on an MLB roster. He’ll have to play another 5 years as a part time player to have a shot at 500 home runs. If he reaches 500 dingers, he should go HOF at some point.
Jerry – if BJ had any sense new old sign with Atlanta. Trouble for the players is that the agents can really color the offer from a teams good or bad and can influence the choice. Ask Glavine
November 27th, 20128:21 pm
Good the Braves got a catcher when they did, price might be going up — Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games for amphetamines
I assume the test wasn’t yesterday. What is the procedure/time frame for informing management when a player is suspended? Gerald Laird seems to be the innocent bystander here and it hit his wallet.
November 27th, 20128:22 pm
Andruw jones is not a HOF player. Too quick a demise to his career with too long a time a platoon OF
November 27th, 20128:25 pm
$20,000 for that game?
What a travesty….Sam Holbrook got five times that…..
November 27th, 20128:27 pm
Tricky part with BJ Upton is he is a Centerfielder, and he’s signing to be a Centerfielder, not a LFer. So while we would still need a lead off man would we pursue say Denard Span still? And if we’d landed him would we still run him out in LF when he’s is WAY better than BJ in CF? Guess we’d have to right?
November 27th, 20128:31 pm
phil, I wonder if you ever took money for anything other than stellar work? Hmmm
November 27th, 20128:33 pm
Any center fielder can play LF with a spring training to learn. The more I read about the market, the more I like Upton. He’s near the top of what’s available without trading way too much talent away.
There is your 2012 ATLANTA BRAVES
November 27th, 20128:34 pm
You know why the Braves would be smarter spending 15 mil a yr on BJ than paying 7 or 8 mil for a couple of mid tiered guys????
Because there are no mid tiered guys in this FA class that are suitable for what they need. Its a small handful of guys that are useful in this FA class.
The list is Hamilton (out of our range), our own Bourn (likely out of range), BJ, Pagan should stay in SF) and that is about it for CF. The rest of the CF guys are bench jockies
For the corner OF, you have Swisher, (who is going to get close to BJ money), C. Ross (who is going to get his 3 yr deal in the mid 20 something mil range) & a good number of Braves fans do not want him for that.
Than there is Ludwick who has had a checkered career of good and bad.
There is Hairston who is a platoon guy and that is about it. Nothing is any good after that small group of guys.
So if you go FA, U pay or stand pat and get nothing.
As for Myers for either Minor or Meds, no way — absolutely not.
Myers might be this winter’s Tim Wheeler. Who knows. You can always get prospects, that is why you have a draft every yr.
November 27th, 20128:35 pm
Hey,Bat. How is your brother doing?
November 27th, 20128:36 pm
CB – i wonder if you ever worked?
Just knocking on the team a little. It’ll be ok.
November 27th, 20128:37 pm
Andruw Jones is borderline to me, I mean come on he won 10 Gold Gloves, 5 time All Star, MVP Consideration 5 times, 434 Career Homers. One of the best defenders of all time, easily the best defensive CFer in baseball from 1998 to 2007, 10 Consecutive seasons with 26 or more Homeruns, Also from 97 to 07 he averaged 157 games per season showing his durability. Maybe if he can notch another WS title as a role player and play 3-4 more years as a useful and productive backup it will make for a HoF career. And if not, still a helluva career.
November 27th, 20128:38 pm
But then again there’s always Demon Young
November 27th, 20128:39 pm
phil,yes I did. I just never went through my life being a whiner like you. Yes,it will be ok.
November 27th, 20128:40 pm
That’s why, with the exception of getting Alex Gordon in LF, I think BJ Upton, if acquired, has our FO strongly leaning toward Prado or Simmons as lead off.
Simmons’ swing and batter’s box habits remind me of a young Jeter. This time last year everyone said he was too young to play in ATL at all. I think he might prove us wrong about lead off if given the chance. I could see Prado starting in that spot in April, and then Simmons by June or July. All of this assumes we do not have Span, or Fowler, or Gordon on the team.
Jeter was 6-3, 175 when he broke in. See his rookie card: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=jeter+rookie+card&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=541&tbm=isch&tbnid=F_vdmXb7M-GOeM:&imgrefurl=http://www.modelsitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/&docid=kgtdw2tLV_TydM&imgurl=http://www.modelsitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Derek_Jeter_Rookie_Card.jpg&w=883&h=513&ei=xWq1UJPMKIuc9QTb2YCQBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=403&vpy=283&dur=598&hovh=144&hovw=245&tx=165&ty=142&sig=100574759844997514695&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=233&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0,i:120
Simmons is 6-2, 170. Lead off is not out of the question for him in the near future.
November 27th, 20128:41 pm
Good days and bad. Seems like quite a lot of bad ones lately. Really sucks. I’ve been looking for a place to move to close to them. Thanks for asking
Go you know where, CB…..you know nothing about me. It’s a blog.
November 27th, 20128:42 pm
Andruw has hung around too long as a mediocre player the last 5 yrs.
Had he had two or three more real good yrs like he had from 98 thru 2006, I would say yes, he would he HOF, but there is something there that falls short for me.
Like Murphy, he just did not play well into his 30’s. Murph was great till 31. Andruw’s last good yr was at age 29. Did have 26 HRs at 30, after he left here he is a part time player now.
Had Murph had three more good Murphy yrs, he would be in.
November 27th, 20128:43 pm
Sorry to hear it, Bat.
November 27th, 20128:44 pm
Where oh where can my dumpster be?
November 27th, 20128:45 pm
Andruw ate or drank himself onto the bench….
November 27th, 20128:46 pm
Bat, very sorry to hear that.
November 27th, 20128:47 pm
..$15 mil plus to a career .255 hitter, whose career high in RBIs is 82, seems to be a bit too much.
November 27th, 20128:48 pm
My dumpster was overflowing sunday nite, but i managed to drag it down to the road anyway….
Just to elaborate, if we sign BJ, I suspect his expectation is to be the CFer, and the Braves would give him assurance that the position is his to lose. I don’t have a problem with that. We aren’t going to sign Fowler or Span for LF. Gordon could be LF and excellent as lead off, but he’s the only one I see in that role–enough pop to supplement BJ’s OPS, and with lead off credentials. So with that exception (Gordon in LF), I think BJ means Prado/Simmons in lead off.
phil,whine away. It obviously helps you.
Simmons has the tools to be a leadoff man, I just think he needs more time before being thrown into the fire. Biggest thing he needs to work on is his approach at the plate. He’s never walked much, but he has Juan Pierre type contact rates with good but not great speed. All his value is on defense and whatever he does with the bat is a bonus. He’s so great defensively that it wouldn’t matter if he was a 600 OPS hitter, they’d run him out there everyday still. That great in the field, possibly already the best defensive SS in baseball, people like Keith Law would agree with that statement.
November 27th, 20128:50 pm
By Upton .I meant TJ Upton he can be had for 2I years and A dollar 75
Kiss it, CB….
November 27th, 20128:52 pm
Jim SaIisbury @JSaIisburyCSN
Phillies in trade talks with Rockies over Dexter Fowler, fearing BJ Upton negotiations going south #Philliestalk
It all seems to be a bit much — so is 2 yrs for 10 million for a platoon guy in Johnny Gomes, or even 2 yrs at 3.1 a yr for a 36 yr old back up catcher.
The price of talent is going up, up and up. Hey, $700.000 for Dwayne Wise, a career bench player and lifetime .228 hitter.
It is what it is.
Yep that makes FRANK happy happy happy
Lee in S GA
November 27th, 20128:55 pm
as much mouth trashing as Upton has gotten on this blog he will probably help the team he signs with go to the world series and win the MVP…I wish we could get him
Here’s hoping Uggla can manage at least that in the new year!
November 27th, 20128:57 pm
The reason why the Braves are so stubborn about holding on to Simmons is that you do not find shortstops with that kind of defensive ability who can do a litle of everything that easily.
His skill set hard to duplicate, You cannot find natural shortstops like that who have such a commanding presence defensively at such a young age.
Just don’t slide into second hands first, that is all Andy and you will be a keeper for us for yrs.
There are some Jeter like aspects to his game. Not saying he will be as good as him but he has some of the charachteristics.
Well if we do sign BJ Upton, we know were getting Average CF Defense with 60+ XBH Power and 30+ SB ability right off the bat. That Power/Speed combo. He’s only 28 years old so he’s likely to be a solid player for most of the contract. Added bonus for his massive tools and potential that possibly a change of scenery could trigger. He’s a solid player who does 2 things really well, Slug and Run but he’ll be paid like he’s much better than that. But that’s Free Agency.
November 27th, 20129:00 pm
Va Braves fan — I see him being a 30/30 man. Especially if Uggla and Mc Cann find their way again.
This lineup will slug for sure.
Upton’s defense might be better than the metrics make him out to be. He throws better than Bourn. Maybe he does not take routes to the ball as well as Bourn, but he has made some highlight plays that make the highlights. I have to see hiim more on a day to day basis to judge.
Uggla is a better defensive second baseman that I thought he was in his FLA days.
November 27th, 20129:01 pm
I hope we get demon young
November 27th, 20129:03 pm
I just hope we are not giving some unreal contract to BJ, believe he is a good player but I don’t want him to be our 1st 100mil player.
November 27th, 20129:05 pm
November 27th, 20129:07 pm
If that last tweet from Jim SaIisbury is in fact true that could very well mean the Braves are the lead dog. To land the top free agents you have to pay. CFer’s are in demand so prices are gonna go up. If we land him I’ll root for him big time, after all him and his brother are from Norfolk,VA minutes from me.
November 27th, 20129:08 pm
Let’s give up Minor,Meds,Huddy,Freeman, Simmons for a mid-relief guy with solid WARs WIPS, WHIPSand all the other nonsensical stats….I say 25mil over 20 years.with an option year.
November 27th, 20129:11 pm
If we sign Upton, i can direct my rage at his repeated failures next year…
November 27th, 20129:12 pm
I think he’ll get a 6 year contract, most likely could be the deciding factor. After all he is only 28 years old. Hell Jason Werth got a 7 year deal and he was 32
November 27th, 20129:13 pm
Seriously! I believe it will be Upton and Span
Ah, CB has changed his name…
Wow, phil called me a whiner. That is worth a chortle.
November 27th, 20129:14 pm
Disregard that tweet from “Jim Salisbury”. It was from a fake account. I found his real account and there is no mention of Upton.
November 27th, 20129:15 pm
Quit doing it, then.
November 27th, 20129:16 pm
the waiting is the hardest part. go bravos.
November 27th, 20129:17 pm
Now, you want to talk about dumb contracts, I will never get that Jason Werth contract.
And he has not done a heck of alot for them in 2 yrs — they have 5 yrs left on him. $18 mil per yr average value. And they have him till he is 38. No one expected Werth to get that kind of dough that winter.
November 27th, 20129:18 pm
People like CB must truly be pathetic to spend their days opening fake Twitter accounts and posting garbage about players signing here or there.
That’s just sad.
November 27th, 20129:19 pm
DENVER — Various teams’ pursuits of free-agent center fielders Michael Bourn and B.J. Upton could determine whether the Rockies will receive serious trade inquiries for center fielder Dexter Fowler, baseball sources told MLB.com on Tuesday.
The Rockies insist they aren’t shopping Fowler, who made $2.35 million last year and is arbitration-eligible for two more years. But the Rockies are listening, and several teams — the Braves, Phillies and Rays, especially — could be calling. The Rockies’ search for a dependable starting pitcher could allow them to listen to offers for Fowler, who hit .300 with career highs in home runs (13) and RBIs (53) last season.
If the Phillies strike out on the free-agent market, with Upton considered the top target but Bourn in a group right behind, they could end up calling the Rockies about Fowler. The Denver Post reported Tuesday that the Braves, who employed Bourn last year, are pursuing Upton as a free agent but could call the Rockies about Fowler as a backup plan.
The Rays, who employed Upton before he went to free agency, also could end up talking to the Rockies about Fowler, although the Rays are believed to be in more of a listening mode than an inquiring mode.
The Rockies’ young, relatively inexpensive roster could help make a deal possible. The acquisition of big corner infielder Ryan Wheeler from the D-backs last week for lefty reliever Matt Reynolds adds to the number of young players who will be under club control for years to come.
To deal Fowler, the Rockies will have to receive pitching as part of the package. That’s why the Braves (Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, Tommy Hanson), Phillies (Vance Worley, Ethan Martin, Trevor May, Jonathan Pettibone) and Rays (Wade Davis, Jeremy Hellickson, Jeff Niemann, Cesar Ramos and any number of prospects) are considered the top possibilities.
Experienced starter on Rockies’ wish list
DENVER — The Rockies continue their search for a starting pitcher whose performance they can predict.
They continue to talk with Jeff Francis, a left-hander who pitched successfully for the Rockies before going to the Royals in 2011 and returning to Colorado during last season. The Denver Post also reported that the Rockies are talking to right-hander Kevin Correia, a right-hander who has had success against them in the past with the Giants and Pirates.
The Rockies also head into the season with a potential bullpen need — a left-hander who can either pitch at length or work as a specialist. However, that hole could be filled by Josh Outman, who is 2-1 with a 4.21 ERA in six starts in the Dominican Winter League. Outman is also a rotation possibility.
Rockies to take two-headed Meetings approach
DENVER — Several key scouts are already in Denver meeting with general manager Dan O’Dowd, and O’Dowd and the scouting staff plan to stay in Denver during next week’s Winter Meetings in Nashville, Tenn.
Bill Geivett, the Rockies’ senior vice president of Major League operations, new manager Walt Weiss and the entire coaching staff will be in Nashville and in contact with the scouts and O’Dowd.
O’Dowd and the scouts will have all of the information, reports and video of potential acquisitions on hand in Denver, and they will be able to contact any person from another team if needed.
Wheeler could grow into power hitter
DENVER — Ryan Wheeler hit one home run in 109 Major League at-bats with the D-backs last year, and the most home runs he has hit in any of his four Minor League seasons is 15. However, the Rockies project plenty of power from Wheeler, who is listed at 6-foot-3 and 235 pounds.
“He’s a guy that played for us in the Arizona Fall League [D-backs and Rockies prospects were on the same team, the Salt River Rafters], and our scouts and staff have always liked him,” said Bill Geivett, the Rockies’ senior vice president of Major League operations.
“We see him competing at third base, fitting in that mix, and he can play some first base and some outfield. He’s a good guy for us to have, and our guys feel like he’s going to develop some home run power.”
November 27th, 20129:20 pm
Beats chasing ambulances. Have a good night, phil.
November 27th, 20129:22 pm
Jason Werth has also turned into a Leadoff man for Washington… I mean the dude was only a everyday player for 3 years producing a average season of
150 Games 279/376/513/889 29 HR 89 RBI 29 2B 18 SB
Signs for 7 years 126 million
First 2 seasons of deal has produced
256/349/407/756 plus he missed half of the 2nd season. 25 Total HR in first 2 years….
November 27th, 20129:23 pm
This is gonna be a bad BJ, I can tell ya that. And now way is he hitting 4th… try 7th or 8th.
Not what I do or have ever done, idiot.
November 27th, 20129:25 pm
See the decent ones of you, which is thankfully most, later…
November 27th, 20129:27 pm
The likelihood of a BJ Upton signing by the Braves musta scared noles away….
November 27th, 20129:28 pm
Angel Pagan has only been a everyday player for 3 years and he’s 31 years old. He’s been solid as hell but not great. Most reports indicate he’ll get around 4 years 40-45 million, alot of money to commit to someone with a small track record who has been average to above average, I mean realistically he’s 1 step from being a 4th OFer to me. Only thing he does great is run the bases. I could see him disappointing alot of people just like Werth has. Atleast Werth was playing at a very high level for 3 seasons before the big contract.
November 27th, 201210:08 pm
Delmon Young anyone
November 27th, 201210:11 pm
November 27th, 201210:16 pm
November 27th, 201210:21 pm
Pipeline – The CHANTAYS
why would we want Delmon Young? Career .284/.317/.425/.742, and is a poor defender. Doesn’t walk at all. Was really just a DH last season, and cost the team 7 runs while playing in LF (30 games). He’d cost us about 30 over a full season.
Done this the last 2 years: .267/.299/.403/.702. What’s the appeal?
November 27th, 201210:22 pm
Apache – JORGEN INGMANN
November 27th, 201210:23 pm
Why the hell not? Young is just ad good as or better than Schitfer brains
November 27th, 201210:24 pm
96 Tears – QUESTION MARK and the MYSTERIANS
November 27th, 201210:25 pm
November 27th, 201210:28 pm
Wren likes Demon Young
November 27th, 201210:31 pm
Chipper’s replacement should be Chris Domingez in San Francisco org. He is powerful and needs serious consideration. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ipad/#list=sf
Cheap enough to go get more outfield depth. Francisco is too heavy and has too much attitude.
November 27th, 201210:32 pm
BJ Uggla and Dan Upton = One in the same = 150 to 200 million = 360 Ks in 2013
November 27th, 201210:40 pm
Anybody tell me why Wake Forest keeps their head basketball coach despite all the losses, all the transfers, and the tiny crowds such as the Florida Marlin like small crowd tonight in the ACC/ Big X?
Boggles the mind
November 27th, 201210:41 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
CF JOSE CONSTANZA [.282 BA] 1-4.
2B RUBEN GOTAY [.182 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 2B .
1B CHRIS GARCIA [.238 BA] 0-2, 2 BB.
RF JOSH KROEGER [.289 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B .
C JOSE YEPEZ [.250 BA] 2-4, 1 R.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.340 BA] 0-2, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 SO.
LF EVAN GATTIS [.283 BA] 2-3.
Game in the bottom of the seventh. MEJIA due up.
November 27th, 201210:43 pm
November 27th, 201210:54 pm
It’s good to have you back again…
November 27th, 201210:59 pm
Her lovin’ was the medicine that saved me…
November 27th, 201211:00 pm
Going to be a long season full of growing pains for my boys.
November 27th, 201211:01 pm
November 27th, 201211:02 pm
I am pleased with my boys’ start…
November 27th, 201211:03 pm
November 27th, 201211:04 pm
happens Soph when we lose so many to the NBA
November 27th, 201211:07 pm
Yup, brian was to be expected and it makes me miss Kendall, Henson, and Zeller so much more. Barnes I can live without.
November 27th, 201211:16 pm
30 Doubles 30 HR 30 stolen base Upton
30 Doubles 30 HR 30 stolen base Heyward
30 Doubles 30 HR Uggla
30 Doubles 25 HR 30 Freeman
20 Doubles 20 HR 30 Mac
Lot of Strikeouts
Lot of Runs Scored
Lot of RBI
Lot of Wins
Keep saying post after post after post Upton will be no good as a Brave. Folks said that 23,000 times last year about Adam Jones too. Had did he turn out after having a similar year in 2011 to an Upton type year. Just because you say it ad nauseum doesn’t make it so.
Working with the Braves world class hitting instructors, whom Heyward raved about today, should be capable of adding one hit per week to Uptons year end total, which would make him a .286 hitter. Yes, one lousy extra hit per week makes him a stud hitter. That scenario is just as likely to happen as the Upton haters, saying 190 times, just to pad their post total, he is a bad bad boy and bad player
November 27th, 201211:19 pm
Yeah, I’ve really got nothing more to add, just wanted to say hey to one of my girls
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