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Slowhiteguy
November 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Toolmaker….I understand your thought process and agree that RH bats are needed to balance the lineup…I guess I have higher expectations than Cody Ross and Michael Young. I don’t love BJ Upton, but he does add a RH presence to the lineup…and has a rare skill set. Signing Upton then trading for one of the names previously mentioned, seems like the route that FW will go. I really like Span for CF…and believe his price will come down as the off season winds down.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
despite what you read on here these days regarding the guy.
Well, his L9S9+ is horrible, so it stands to reason he’d be blog fodder.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Just noticed, that Myers OBP for his 20/21 AA/AAA season should read .373. It’s what I get for my fat, fat fingers and inability to read across a straight line.
________G___PA__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS_ISOd_P/BB_AB/K_K/BB
Marte 219 0927 .276 .371 .523 .894 .095 07.5 04.2 01.5
Myres 233 1007 .290 .373 .516 .889 .083 08.9 03.9 02.0
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
2:47 pm
Still can’t believe y’all spent half the morning shooting down Medlen or Minor for Myers as a bad trade… we gain an extra 2-3 years of control on a great young player, who profiles to be just as special if not more so than a player we have…. Heyward. At a position that we direly need a good prospect/player at, a RH power OF. We don’t have that. But, we do have many many good young arms in the minors. Someone will be able to replace Medlen or Minor. Why in the hell wouldn’t you do it? It’s not like he’s won the freaking Cy Young award or is about to. He has made only 30 career starts, not in the same season, and has never pitched more than 140 innings at the MLB level (150 for his career). That trade would be a NO-BRAINER.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
“I could hit 22 HR’s playing in Boston and I’m 37.”
I’m not a big fan of Ross, but no you couldn’t
How do you know? And I was kidding…but if I was in my early 30’s I could, I just gave up because of my wife. I was a pretty good baseball player at all levels. I could hit a baseball at every level I played whether it was straight or moving.
Carl Crawford bats lefty, Ross hits righty…figure it out.
unbelieve
November 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
Im not really sure why KC wants to trade Myers. They should just give Frenchy his outright release, or bench him, and start Myers in RF. It would be an awful deal if they trade Myers for Lester or Hellickson.
Slowhiteguy
November 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
Andres Torres is available……and Mile Pelfrey….and Manny Acosta!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
Long term:
Minor > Medlen.
Disagree. Strongly disagree.
I disagree as well, but I think that they’ll both end up in around the same place… #3s. (though Medlen may become a good #2). Delgado (and Greinke) will be better longterm though….
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
BravePack(FreeFan)…..do you know how close the right field line is at Fenway? 302 feet. And that’s with a wall that barely comes up to one’s waist!
Sure, the left field line is 310 feet. However the wall is considerably higher!
You’ve got to come at me better than than, pal!
Brava
November 27th, 2012
2:53 pm
It’s not like he’s won the freaking Cy Young award or is about to. He has made only 30 career starts, not in the same season, and has never pitched more than 140 innings at the MLB level (150 for his career).
It’s not like Myers has excelled at the MLB level. He has never done it.
It just strikes me as shortsighted to be willing to trade a pitcher with as much potential as Medlen for an unproven prospect. Especially, given the quality of the rest of the Braves’ potential rotation.
phil
November 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
Trade Medlen?
No.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
2:56 pm
Just noticed
By the way, didn’t you use the year he was injured as part of your two-year spread?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
2:58 pm
All these people projecting Medlen and Minor as 1-2s based on half a season…. Sheesh. Bill James has Medlen putting up a 2.90 ERA next season. Hah! I’ll believe it when I see it. Definitely not untouchable, but with Frank being so tightfisted with all his pitchers, too tight-fisted at times, I’d bet that the trade wouldn’t be made. He’d want to offer Spruill straight up for Myers.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
Come on Frank, we’re desperate….. (at least I am)
Brava
November 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
Yeah, TOBF? How do you know he won’t be a 1 or 2? You don’t. None of us do. I do remember you being in the group who wanted him to stay in the bullpen, so maybe you could be wrong about this, as well.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
Ross was healthy, Crawford was not. Can’t compare the 2. Crawford never had a chance. Crawford had a huge salary to live up to, Ross not so much.
CB
November 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
TOBF, didn’t you quote Bill James to support your argument for Bourjos over BJ Upton the other day? Young man,shame on you!
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
They should just give Frenchy his outright release, or bench him, and start Myers in RF. It would be an awful deal if they trade Myers for Lester or Hellickson.
I imagine that they think one more hitter (especially a young one) in a lineup like theirs isn’t going to make the difference that a legit front-line pitcher would make in their rotation. I mean, they’re pretty stacked: Perez, Hosmer, Moustakas, Gordon, Butler, Escobar, just off the top of my head.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:05 pm
Medlen and Minor are not on the same level, imo. I feel much more comfortable projecting Medlen as a top of the rotation starter over the next three years than Minor being more than a #3.
Mrs Francouer
November 27th, 2012
3:05 pm
Bring Frenchie back to the Braves !
Put him in CF!
He bats righty !
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:05 pm
True, Myers isn’t proven YET, but he does have the great potential. It’d be a great move for the future and fill a major need. We have more pitching behind Medlen. We wouldn’t be cooked if he’s traded.
I was in the group that wanted him to stay in the ‘pen last year because we had no one else behind him to put there. It also lowered his innings. I thought he could be good, just didn’t expect that performance. I still would have preferred to get a true ace like Greinke down the stretch, but Medlen did a great job for us. And I did want him to stay over Hanson when the rotation got cut to 5 (Sheets bailed us out of that)
However, back in 2009 (before I was here), I was more impressed with him than Hanson (mainly because of mechanics). I still think he’ll be good, and obviously now will be better than Tommy, but I still see him as a #3 now. He could get to a 2 with another really good 1.5-2 seasons, but he’s not there yet.
DAP
November 27th, 2012
3:06 pm
nowhere man FW has made some good deals but his overall body of work has been poor.
no, his overall work has been great, despite some bad deals. results, man. braves have won 516 games in 6 seasons. thats good.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:06 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Friends of Cody Ross believe BOS is in the lead in his neg. on 3-year deal. But sources say there haven’t been new talks in last few days.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
. I feel much more comfortable projecting Medlen as a top of the rotation starter over the next three years than Minor being more than a #3.
I would feel more comfortable with Medlen as well, but it’s still too early to call him a 1. Based off 1 hot stretch.
DAP
November 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
make that 432 wins in 5 years, (he took over after the 2007 season). this includes 2008 when 4/5ths of the starting rotation went down to injury.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
Eve of Winter Meetings is going to be fun. Remember when Werth signed that contract late Sunday night heading into the Winter meetings and everyone was shocked? I can see Upton signing some absurd deal this weekend that has everyone talking.
Be very interesting to see what Wren does if Upton signs with another team. I just do not think he’ll wait on Bourn. Boras almost always waits on guys unless they are blown out of the water early.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
I don’t get it TOBF. A couple weeks ago you were going on and on about how the Braves needed to get Greinke because Hudson and Maholm will be gone after next year, but now you’re ok with our pitching depth enough to trade Medlen?
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
3:11 pm
DOB – When I wrote that no player is untradeable, I was only speaking in the most absolute sense. For instance, Trout could be tradeable to the Nationals in the unrealistic scenerio that the Nats offered in return Harper, Strasberg, and other top prospects.
I do understand that players like Trout and Harper are untradeable in the real world. My point was that the price for Myers is probably going to be too high for the Braves as the Royals may view him understandably in my opinion as nearly untradeable.
Am I making any sense? Probably not.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:11 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Told #Mets’ offer of extension to Wright yesterday was 6 yrs./$100M. Source today says team offering 7 yrs. between $125M and $150M.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
If #Mets are indeed offering Wright such a deal, it seems unlikely he would reject it unless he wanted to be a free agent at end of season.
There ya go, Sandy. That’s more like it.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:13 pm
I thought 7 years, $126 million would be the number on the extension alone. Total value being 8 years, $142 million when all said and done. 16M in 2013, 18M annually 2014-2020.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:14 pm
CB: Haha. I agreed with those projections because they fit more with what the player has done when they’ve played regularly (full seasons). Bourjos numbers are roughly equal to his 2011, and BJs were about the same as his past 4 seasons. All points that I’ve used by myself, without the use of his projections. Those just happened to agree with me. On Medlen though, I’ll be more cautious. There isn’t much to go on, and I won’t use his hot streak. I’ll consider him as a 2nd year starter, and he’ll probably have issues. Probably near a 3.30 ERA. I’m still working on my projections. I just want Frank to assemble the team first so I can finish them
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:16 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
@TMTGrandePesos that is easy. J Upton. To get Stanton, you would have to trade Teheran, Delgado, Bethancourt, Simmons and Gilmartin
I’d do it. Wouldn’t think twice, actually. Sign Stephen Drew for SS and BJ Upton for CF. Go Braves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
We have the depth, Rick… I may not like the quality of it, but we have the depth. Losing Medlen or Minor doesn’t hurt us too much, especially if we fill a big need. We’ve got Graham, Gilmartin, Sims, Wood all coming up. Teheran/Delgado (who are supposed to reach the top of our rotation as well). We’re only losing about a years’ worth of starting experience.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
It just strikes me as shortsighted to be willing to trade a pitcher with as much potential as Medlen for an unproven prospect.
I don’t think I ever said it was a no-brainer; it’s not. But I think touting Medlen as “proven” is a stretch, also. Depends on which “potential”, pitcher or player, provides the most bang for the team and how the pitcher or player matches up with the other components of the team.
There’s risk on both sides of the equation, and one has to feel out the potential reward on both sides of the equation. Remember what I actually said this morning? Not that the trade was good or bad, but that rejecting it out of hand was “insane”.
Maybe that got lost in translation.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:21 pm
It’s amazing how good of a player David Wright has been so far: .301/.381/.506, 135 OPS+ in 5,453 plate appearances. Great player.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:23 pm
scoots, on the pursuit of Upton, I think Wren is working multiple angles and the 2nd move may come down quickly after the first one. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that they are keeping their eye on Swisher and Ross just because they consider BJ #1 priority.
TennesseePaul
November 27th, 2012
3:23 pm
By the way, didn’t you use the year he was injured as part of your two-year spread?
I’m not sure. I don’t know who was injured or when. I looked at the two years they were both the same age at the same level. Marte was an international signing and had been in the minors for a bit longer than Myers, one extra season. Both of them have/had similar minor league walk rates in the minors up through the age 21 season.
Ages 19 through 21 years for both players… excludes RK league
________G___PA__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS_ISOd_P/BB_AB/K_K/BB
Marte 349 1468 .279 .371 .503 .874 .092 07.7 04.2 01.6
Myres 359 1548 .299 .393 .512 .905 .094 07.8 04.1 01.6
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:24 pm
The Mets need to let him get to FA. We’ve potentially got 27.5mil in commitments coming off next year (Hudson, Maholm, Mac). Throw in Graham and a cheap pitcher to fill the rotation, CBet to catch, and go pay big for Wright!
phil
November 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
We don’t have the money to compete longterm….
I want to buy an airplane, a huge house, 3 new cars.
Money. Ain’t happening.
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
@TMTGrandePesos that is easy. J Upton. To get Stanton, you would have to trade Teheran, Delgado, Bethancourt, Simmons and Gilmartin
I think I would be open to this, too. The Braves championship window seems limited to the next few years given their financial situation going forward. Freeman, Stanton, and Heyward in the middle of the lineup would be potentially awesome and at least so much fun to watch.
The Braves would still retain a nice starting rotation going forward with Medlen, Hudson, Minor, and others. The bullpen anchored by Kimbrel would be strong. Looking at a three-year window to compete for a championship, this could work.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
Both of them have/had similar minor league walk rates in the minors up through the age 21 season.
My selective memory at work again, I reckon.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
gotta pay the playoff gods as well so that they’ll release us from the bad luck we’ve experienced. Braves haven’t won a WS since the year I was born (despite many great teams) and have yet to win a series since 2002.
DAP
November 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
efrim $142 million when all said and done. 16M in 2013, 18M annually 2014-2020.
that is fair for david wright, i think.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
3:32 pm
TOBF, well if you feel that way now I can’t understand how you thought signing Greinke would be the best use of the Braves’ available funds. A couple weeks ago their pitching depth was so bad they had to get into a bidding war for a player they don’t really need right now, when they already had two actual needs to fill. But now they are perfectly ok to trade one of their pitchers if it means filling one of those two needs. Ok then…
Brava
November 27th, 2012
3:32 pm
But I think touting Medlen as “proven” is a stretch, also.
As do I. I said, “with as much potential”.
richbrave
November 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
Brava:
The Ms. is on schedule for JOHNS HOPKINS Dec. 19th. Meanwhile, the local doc is pumping her full of prednisone [40 mg. daily] which has energized her somewhat. He’s also prescribed an anti-cancer drug which according to the internet causes Lymphoma more often than not for people with her syndrome. These are not good alternatives to have. So unless HOPKINS says a little bit won’t kill you. or that not going on the stuff will be fatal, she’s laying off. I mean…..can you blame her? I surely cannot.
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
TOBF you’re only 17? That explains a lot…
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
A couple weeks ago their pitching depth was so bad they had to get into a bidding war for a player they don’t really need right now, when they already had two actual needs to fill.
Folks here who wanted to acquire a front-line pitcher did not have “depth” as a reason for doing so. Such an acquisition would have allowed Hanson and Maholm to be used as trade currency, while retaining the youngsters. Also, the only guy who thought Greinke fit that bill was TOBF.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
Mets will get it done. Wright is way too important to the team and I think Dickey is too if they expect to be at all legit in 2013-2015. The Mets can be dangerous in the next few years if Alderson has a productive 12-15 months right now. Dickey/Niese/Harvey/Wheeler – not a lot of teams that can match that.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
Dickey/Niese/Harvey/Wheeler – not a lot of teams that can match that.
You forgot Johan. He still has a pulse.
D/O/B the T00LMAKER
November 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
David Wright would be a fool to sign the extension the Mets are offering. With the revenue that is increasing in MLB, he is worth considerably more than $18 mil a year.
Dude hits .300, hits for power, knocks in run, plays Gold Glove Defense. In other words, if he was a free agent today (as opposed to after the 2013 season)..he’d be getting a lot more than what BJ Upton or Michael Bourn are going to get.
Play for $16 mil in 2013…and then walk and sign for $24-$25 mil over 7 years as a free agent.
geo
November 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
Im not really sure why KC wants to trade Myers. They should just give Frenchy his outright release, or bench him, and start Myers in RF. It would be an awful deal if they trade Myers for Lester or Hellickson.
They don’t “want” to trade him. They have said that often. By the same token, they realize that somewhere along the line, they might need to trade a bat to get pitching. They have also acknowledged the same potential availability of Hosmer and Moustakas, but nobody’s talking about that. It’s just that the world wants to glom onto the shiny new object, and Myers is it, so that’s why he’s the one getting the pub.
Oh, and the Red Sox have said it’s all nonsense anyway, as most of these rumors are:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/23804/team-source-shoots-down-lester-rumors
Brava
November 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
Yikes, rich! That sounds like some awful choices to have. Glad she’s going to Johns Hopkins, at least. They are supposed to be top of the line when it comes to medical treatment. Hopefully they can help her without causing more potential harm. No, I don’t blame her at all. I wouldn’t want to take that stuff.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
I’d trade Simmons + those pitchers for Stanton, no question. He’s exactly what we need. Go with Janish and Ahmed at SS and take your chances.
Arkansas Transplant
November 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
What would Minor bring on the trade market? Depending on what type of return you’d get for Minor.. why not make a move to acquire Jon Lester replacing Minor’s spot with him?
RC
November 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
I think Dickey is too if they expect to be at all legit in 2013-2015
I think that all depends on how Dickey holds up. He certain had a great 2012, but his K rate was MUCH higher than it’s ever been before, and he had the lowest walk rate of his career. It’s certainly possible that both of these things were due to a legitimate change in the way he pitches, but at age 38 it’s hard to bet on that.
If I’m the Mets I think I exercise his option at $5 million for 2012, see if I can work out a deal at a significant discount, and be prepared to shop him at this year’s deadline if he won’t sign for a discount. Imagine what the Mets would be able to get for him in a trade if he performs as well as he did last year?
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:49 pm
I still want a frontline starter. Not gonna happen. Hope it happens for 2014.
Medlen/Beachy/Minor would look great behind a #1 type.
Brava
November 27th, 2012
3:50 pm
I’d trade Simmons + those pitchers for Stanton, no question. He’s exactly what we need. Go with Janish and Ahmed at SS and take your chances.
This, I could get on board with. I love Simmons, but the prospect of Stanton in our outfield could melt my heart a bit and make me willing to let him go. Plus, having Ahmed waiting in the wings makes it all easier.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
3:51 pm
Medlen/Beachy/Minor would look great behind a #1 type.
Studly. Such a starting staff might actually be as good as posters think.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
3:53 pm
I’d probably offer R.A. a three year extension for $27 million. Four year, $32 million total. I think he is looking for three years, $36 million on the extension…thus the holdup.
Just Saying ..
November 27th, 2012
3:56 pm
“no, his overall work has been great, despite some bad deals. results, man. braves have won 516 games in 6 seasons. thats good.” – DAP
an average of 86 wins a season – or 5 games over .500 , is “good” ? Two playoff appearances courtesy of a “wildcard” in 6 seasons, when actual “success” is measured by World Series appearances, something not seen in Atlanta since Bill Clinton was in the White House.
I guess a guy who hit in 32 consecutive games but had a season batting average of .232 is spectacular.
Twisted logic by a Braves’ fan.
Go salute one of your division championship banners !
RC
November 27th, 2012
3:57 pm
I’d trade Simmons + those pitchers for Stanton, no question. He’s exactly what we need. Go with Janish and Ahmed at SS and take your chances.
I think Stanton is great, and would love to have him. But it would be REALLY hard to give up Simmons in most any deal….and here’s why:
Tim Hudson’s stats prior to Simmons’ call-up:
45 IP, 4.60 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .257 average against
Tim Hudson’s stats from Simmons’ call-up until Simmons’ injury:
41 IP, 2.41 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, .217 average against
Small sample size maybe, but I think that Simmons had a huge impact on Braves pitchers after his callup.
old man
November 27th, 2012
3:58 pm
I love Medlen, and I was one of those saying to put in the rotation ASAP. Some of you who are saying that trading him at all is crazy were also saying he was just a middle reliever 5 months ago.
You have to step back and take a deep breath. What was his crazy stat for consecutive team wins in which started? You just know that sort of stat will not hold up in the long run, even if he turns out to be a #1 over the long haul. So today there is some level of infatuation with Medlen based on his second half.
All of this is nonsense, because I think KC would want several other pieces to make a deal. But IF real conversations are going on about Myers you have to really do a gut check about how you are assessing some of your most valuable assets, of which Medlen is one.
Lew
November 27th, 2012
4:00 pm
The Royals are con cerned with putting Myers in an already young lineup because he’s too young?
And the Braves are ancient?
old man
November 27th, 2012
4:00 pm
Minor is more likely to become a Tom Glavine than Medlen is to become a Greg Maddux.
I would not mind either one being the centerpiece of a Myers deal.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
49ers on verge of a five-year contract extension with LB NaVorro Bowman that will tie him to SF through the 2018. Deal done within 24 hours.
Just wonderful news. Although you usually don’t see two ILB’s in a 3-4 scheme being paid big dollars.
The Niners are going to have one expensive LB corps with Willis, Bowman, Brooks and the eventual massive deal that Aldon Smith gets.
old man
November 27th, 2012
4:05 pm
If we are going to sign Upton, I would like to go ahead and get it done before the winter meetings. I think this would create a greater sense of panic or desperation among teams that have failed to finalize any kind of flashy deal, and they would look at us as being almost done with our “Christmas shopping.” At the winter meetings, we might find more people coming to us about their LFers, not vice versa. It would tend to put us in a position of strength in negotiating a trade deal.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 27th, 2012
4:06 pm
Let’s say the Marlins would do that deal, and the Braves acquire Stanton. And since I’m dreaming, let’s say they also sign BJ Upton.
1. Prado 3B
2. Upton CF
3. Heyward RF
4. Stanton LF
5. Freeman 1B
6. Uggla 2B
7. McCann C
8. Janish/Ahmed SS
I think Tim Hudson might be able to afford another run on his ERA with that line-up.
Murph
November 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
I wouldn’t make any move or not make a move with Tim Hudson’s stats as the driving force behind it… he’s not likely to be in a Braves uni much longer.
Brava
November 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
The way I see it, to degrade your pitching in order to upgrade your offense doesn’t really improve your team, in the long run, and makes no sense for a team like the Braves which can’t afford a top of the rotation starter. I’m a believer in the idea that good pitching beats good hitting, that’s why I would never be on board with trading Medlen for Myers. Just me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
I still think the Braves could use a #1-2 starter… however we’re not going to be adding Reinke, which is a good decision right now based on his projected insane price. However, I won’t let a #3 starter like Medlen or Inor keep me from snagging a top OF prospect, filling a major need of ours. E have more #3 pitchers in the minors. If we can sell high on Minor or Medlen right now and get Myers back, I’d probably do it. Our rotation won’t be much worse because of it.
DAP
November 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
just syaing actual “success” is measured by World Series appearances,
that might be your personal standard, but not a universal one.
geo
November 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
The Royals are con cerned with putting Myers in an already young lineup because he’s too young?
I don’t think that’s what he meant. He meant that adding another bat, especially an inexperienced one (better word to use for the meaning than “young”), to what already projects to be a good lineup may be less important to them than adding a pitcher to bolster a shaky rotation.
old man
November 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
From 11:45 today:
“Phillies have plenty of Plan B’s if B.J. Upton signs elsewhere.”
By BOB BROOKOVER
The Philadelphia Inquirer
Wonder what prompted this article?
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
a team like the Braves which can’t afford a top of the rotation starter.
What’s the difference in affording a premium position player and a top starter? They cost about the same.
Better hope they can afford one in 2014, anyway.
the truth...
November 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
Here we go again………..Trade the farm (and the starting SS) for a stud player….Stanton….
Who will be gone in two-three years and we couldn’t do anything about ir……….
You guys might as well be toking on a big hooka cause the Yanks and Red Sox aren’t going to sit and watch that one go by………….
And I’m glad personally if it takes that King’s Ransom to bring a Stanton here…
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
4:16 pm
I don’t think that’s what he meant.
Not only not what I meant, not even what I said.
Lew
November 27th, 2012
4:16 pm
Let’s see now – The Royals want top of the rotation pitching for Myers. Some of you are in favor of trading Medlen or Minor for Myers. Yet most of you don’t consider Medlen and especially Minor as top of the rotation pitching. So, either you’re wrong about Medlen or Minor or if you go with selling high on MInor as OnlyBravesFan is, then I suppose that the Royals would have to decide he was top of the rotation based on his last 13 starts in 2012, which – so I’m told – are basically meaningless because it;’s such a small sample size and he’s not projected to be any more than a number three pitcher.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:16 pm
Wright has to take a deal in the $135-$145 million dollar range over 8 years. If he wants to stay in Queens, then that is a solid offer in line with other 3rd baseman deals. Good offer by Alderson, certainly not lowballing him.
Brava
November 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
What’s the difference in affording a premium position player and a top starter? They cost about the same.
Right, and you won’t see either in a Braves uniform.
Brava
November 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
…unless we grown our own.
Brava
November 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
grow, not grown
DAP
November 27th, 2012
4:19 pm
you gotta figure if wright doesnt sign that deal, he just doenst want to play NY anymore.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
Wonder what prompted this article?
Braves are in the same boat. Plenty of Plan B options. I bet there is another team in on Upton besides the Braves and Phillies….other than the Nats and Giants. Could see the Rangers go all in on him and say goodbye to Hamilton.
Rangers have a lot of work to do with that offense, imo. Trading Andrus for an outfielder or catcher makes sense.
Tumbledown
November 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
the truth – My mind understands what you are saying about trading the farm for Stanton. But, there could be some exciting times at the Ted for a couple of years. I guess for the right player I am willing to gamble on a couple of years of such excitement because lean financial years may be ahead courtesy of that wonderful TV contract.
Phillies Phanatic
November 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
“Phillies have plenty of Plan B’s if B.J. Upton signs elsewhere.”
By BOB BROOKOVER
The Philadelphia Inquirer
Wonder what prompted this article?”
That tells me the Phils want a decision by Upton NOW so they can explore other options to improve their rosterefore the winter meetings begin..
RC
November 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
…unless we grown our own.
Until I saw this I was about to write a long tirade heralding the virtures of Heyward, Freeman, and Simmons.
Carry on then.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
Right, and you won’t see either in a Braves uniform.
So, Upton doesn’t qualify, or you just don’t think he’ll sign with the Braves?
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
Wright will be 31 years old on opening day 2014, he will not get too much more than that on the open market next offseason and that is a huge risk for him. He’ll sign that deal.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 27th, 2012
4:24 pm
What the F is Upton waiting for? Make a F’n decision already!
Rick C
November 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
“Here we go again………..Trade the farm (and the starting SS) for a stud player….Stanton….
Who will be gone in two-three years and we couldn’t do anything about ir……….”
I’m not in favor of trading away that big of a package for Stanton, but he is not arb-eligible until 2014, and is under team control until 2017.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
Until I saw this I was about to write a long tirade heralding the virtures of Heyward, Freeman, and Simmons.
One more young, stud position player would be nice. I’ll settle for just going after a frontline pitcher next winter.
Even if they sign Bossman Junior, they still have lots of payroll flexibility.
Now, I don’t see them getting involved with Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson or Matt Garza. I’d bet they’d have a lot of interest in Waino – but I see the Cards locking him up, sadly.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
What the F is Upton waiting for? Make a F’n decision already!
He will sign by Sunday night. I’m calling it.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
I’m not in favor of trading away that big of a package for Stanton
I doubt the commish would approve a trade of Stanton that returns mostly prospects.
Bravo Uno
November 27th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Wright has to take a deal in the $135-$145 million dollar range over 8 years. If he wants to stay in Queens, then that is a solid offer in line with other 3rd baseman deals. Good offer by Alderson, certainly not lowballing him.” Efrim
Thats in the $17-18 million a year range.
If the Braves’ don’t get suckered in by BJ Upton and don’t bring back McCann, why not the
Braves going after David Wright?
Cost of living in ATL is a lot cheaper than in NYC, not to mention tax ramifications of playing in NYC vs ATL. Braves could offer him $15 million a year, or what they paid Lowe and almost what they are paying Popeye on second base.
BJ Upton for $15 million for 5 years; or a proven player in his prime like David Wright for $15-16 million a year for 8 years ?
Its not rocket science, folks.
RC
November 27th, 2012
4:31 pm
He will sign by Sunday night. I’m calling it.
I agree. I think he knows that signing prior to the meetings gives his new team the best chance to fill any other needs they have at the meetings, in theory giving him a chance at having a better team to play for come March.
Live Vipir
November 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Here we go again………..Trade the farm (and the starting SS) for a stud player….Stanton”
Yeah, some of these guys act as if they know nothing about baseball. Every time I log in it has become even more nonsensical with addtional posting of stats, WIPS, and whatever. How weird can it get.? I don’t even know what to comment on anymore.
ncscoots
November 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
Its not rocket science, folks.
Obviously not math, either, if you think cost-of-living and NYC taxes make up for $3MM less salary per year.
Efrim
November 27th, 2012
4:35 pm
I mean, I guess Wright can probably get 8 years, $160 million next offseason even at age 31. But that’s a risk if he gets hurt. So he’s leaving potentially $30 million on the table? I dunno. I’d sign it in a heartbeat if I was Wright and I wanted to finish my career as a Met.
David O'Brien
November 27th, 2012
4:38 pm
Good the Braves got a catcher when they did, price might be going up — Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games for amphetamines.