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Hillbilly
November 20th, 2012
10:14 am
BJ has potential you say? Yes, his potential means being a .242/.316/.420/.736 hitter who is no more a lefty masher than 1 Brian McCann; hell, even Dan Uggla hits lefties as well as he does. Both outperform him vs. righties. And we’re even considering paying this guy more than those 2 because of some assumed “potential”? Give me a friggin break. He hasn’t gotten any better in his last 4 years, years that he was approaching his prime. He’s there now and now all of a sudden he’s gonna get better because of a team change? Why? Seriously, why is it gonna click for him all of a sudden. I’m not getting it. 15mil and a draft pick is too high a cost, esp. with the likelihood being higher that he is what he’s been for the last 4 years; heavens forbid he busts. -TOBF
Yes…what he said. ^
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:15 am
Signing Hamilton would not be the kiss of death that most of you seem to think it would be… although I wouldn’t stop there. I see absolutely not reason we couldn’t come up with some sort of trade with Texas bringing over both Gentry and Olt which of course would definitely allow us to spend the money on a guy like Hamilton without the fear of handcuffing the team for the future. Our bench would be strong enough with the likes of Janish, Laird, Schafer, Juan and Meji. There’s no reason to fret about the bullpen, we currently have the pieces for one of the best in the majors without making a move. If this played out this way, you can pretty much slate us for a long run into the PO.
P-Town Brave ©
November 20th, 2012
10:15 am
Why is there all this man love for Dexter Fowler?!
Furman Bitcher
November 20th, 2012
10:18 am
Sign Hamilton and put Costanza in left
richbrave
November 20th, 2012
10:18 am
TOBF:
Thanx man.
Where is a good reliable source for ML transactions that you don’t have to pay for?
Ricky Baby
November 20th, 2012
10:18 am
That was funny cold stove. But sadly its also true!
bravesfaninnc
November 20th, 2012
10:19 am
I wonder if there’s any type of package we could put together to convince the Angels to part with Mark Trumbo. He’s young, RH, has great power, and would be under the Braves control for a while. Then, we could sign a guy like Pagan to man CF.
CF Pagan
3B Prado
RF Heyward
LF Trumbo
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:20 am
You do not want Hamilton in CF… we’d still need to make at least one more move to solidify CF.
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:22 am
bravesfaninnc, I’ve read where they have absolutely no interest in moving Trumbo.
Ricky Baby
November 20th, 2012
10:22 am
Trade some of those young A ball players for Marlins Stanton. Marlins dont need him as they rebuild.
jax
November 20th, 2012
10:23 am
-2012 BA -.246 – ???????
-
Braves need another lomg term $15,000,000.Player with a terrible Starter’s BA at.246 ??????
Get real -
bravesfaninnc
November 20th, 2012
10:23 am
AT – that’s a shame cause that’s exactly the kind of player the Braves need
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:24 am
richbrave: I go here http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions
Lew
November 20th, 2012
10:24 am
bwell- “Come on Time Warner spend some of those billions.”
Who will they spend it on? They don’t own a baseball team anymore and have not for years.
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:26 am
I’d like to see Hamilton in LF and I really think it’s possible we could do something like that… I just don’t think it’s probable.
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
10:27 am
Explain
I did. It was an emoticon.
But, anyway, to further an enjoyable conversation, I’d highlight this:
Given the premise that BJ may have been pressing in TB, I framed my initial response with as each of those [Braves] “big hitters” goes into their mid-season slump…
thuse leaving no real offensive threat standing in the Braves lineup… BJ, who is prone to press, would press in Atlanta. It is entirely possible the “big hitters” in Atlanta slump. It has happened in each of the past two seasons. The blog gets loaded down with comments about “pressing.” Hell it happens every year. It’s part of the game. And unfortunately it’s part of the blog dialogue. At any rate, the point was, BJ may be a man who presses when he should relax. Some ball players do just that, so perhpas that is his MO. So it is reasonable to posit that if at any period he feels a need to pick up the team, he’ll press because that is what he does.
Secondly, if the pressing premise is indeed true, then it would stand to reason he’d also be susceptible to that pressure, extra weight to preform for the contract, much like Uggla stated he felt…. come to a new team, sign a big contract, you want to earn it and prove you deserve it, you press, even if the other guys are not slumping. Ergo, if he is the type to put that pressure on himself to preform, and thus press, it is entirely reasonable to conclude his tenure in Atlanta will also contain pressing.
Ricky Baby
November 20th, 2012
10:29 am
Marlins are pathetic. They get tax payers to build new stadium then they get super stars and the next year get rid of them and become a AA team. Sad.
the truth...
November 20th, 2012
10:29 am
Hoping Upton is just a smoke screen to make the pursuit of a target with much less downside more “under the radar”……….
Upton and his massive strike outs as well as questionable chemistry impact …………..not to mention $15 million a year for a NON ALL STAR……is just crazy….
Something that we have seen from time to time is a kid like Simmons coming from AA straight to the Show and making an impact from the start. I’d like to see moe young prospects be given a shot to see how they react.
This “burying” prospects below AAA can be counter productive….give some kids a shot….
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
10:31 am
The Angles moving Trumbo would be like the Braves moving Heyward. Why would they ever do that?
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
10:31 am
The Angels, not the Angles
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
10:32 am
Hamilton in CF?
Yeah, that’s a laugher.
Also, BJ is a racist, showboating, THUG. Apparently some of you don’t remember his antics in an interleague game against us a couple years ago. How soon you forget. His brother OTOH, I’d love to have him.
BravesFanSince80s
November 20th, 2012
10:32 am
the “conversation” last night started over someone saying they’d really like to see a strong push for MIKE Stanton, but we all know Wren would have to give up the farm for him from the awesome owner that is Loria. I do not much care for Stanton anymore once he joined the likes of Chad Johnson and Shawn “Puffy” Combs, as well as the artist formerly known as Prince in that rarified air of wierdo adult men who out of the blue change the name that they go by. It says a lot about someone’s ego when this happens, regardless of his mother’s love for Italian names. Then I get several well-meaning folks jumping on my opinion, defending another adult for doing something that even someone who actually knows the person would consider weird. Then I get 2 guys who obviously do not have kids attempting to give me PARENTING advice on a blog, so there you go, the “conversation” went quickly downhill. Crazy? Nope, sorry, just don’t appreciate that kind of treatment. Oh and jeffrey d, the POINT in the wide open screen door bit, is that even if closed, you can still SEE through it. Logic my hind end….
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:32 am
This “burying” prospects below AAA can be counter productive….give some kids a shot….
This team gets any younger, they’ll be back in the birth canal.
They are likely to be the youngest, or close to it, contender in MLB next year.
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
10:34 am
They are likely to be the youngest, or close to it, contender in MLB next year.
Sounds like a good reason to call up Old Man Gattis. ( :
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
10:35 am
Apparently some of you don’t remember his antics in an interleague game against us a couple years ago
So you’re saying the one game, out of 324, when he apparently murdered a white guy, should be the hallmark of how we judge this guy?
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:36 am
Sounds like a good reason to call up Old Man Gattis.
Veteran presence, LOL.
Tron
November 20th, 2012
10:36 am
Motel Braves : 2 vacancies.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:37 am
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/gerald-laird-gets-3-million-2-yr-deal-with-braves/
2 yrs, 3mil. Saved about 1.5mil to pass on to Greinke or Hamilton
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:38 am
Catcher Gerald Laird will get $3 million for his two-year deal with the Atlanta Braves, and could earn up to $750,000 in performance bonuses if he plays more than expected.
The deal pays Laird $1.5 million each of the next two seasons, with the chance to earn an additional $250,000 in 2013 and $500,000 in 2014 based on how many games he starts. He would receive $50,000 each for starting 80, 90, 100, 110 and 120 games next year, and $100,000 each if he reached those targets the following season.
bvillebaron
November 20th, 2012
10:40 am
Hillbilly:
Don’t have a problem if you don’t want Upton, but let’s cite correct statistics will you? Upton’s career averages are .255/.336/.422 and .758. He also averages 90 runs, 20 homers, 75 RBI and 39 steals per year. When it comes to homers, your comment that he hasn’t gotten any better is so far off base it is comical. His homer totals the last 4 years are 11, 18, 23 and 28. Sure as heck looks like improvement to me.
Hillbilly
November 20th, 2012
10:40 am
Why is there all this man love for Dexter Fowler?!
I haven’t even mentioned his name yet, so I’m not guilty of man-love, but if you look at the numbers, Fowler is trending upward in the last 4 years.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
10:40 am
Furman Bitcher…”THIS GUY IS AN AVERAGE HITTER AT BEST. We already have a hitter like him on the team and his name is Uggla. This cannot be the best use of 15 million over 5 yrs. LOOK AT HIS SPLITS!”
I don’t think anyone is under the delusion that BJ Upton is an elite hitter right now. He’s had 4 very poor seasons in relation to his abilities and I think everyone would admit that. I don’t think anyone is going to use his splits over the last 4 years as an argument for why the Braves should sign him. It’s a high risk, high reward signing. I think BJ Upton has all the ability in the world to put up .300, 30 homer, 30 SB seasons over the life of a 5 year deal and play a solid center field. I’m pretty sure any argument for signing Upton will be based on potential and not past performance.
Don’t forget Jose Bautista was a career .240 hitter with a .730 OPS up through his age 28 season before something clicked and he became the elite hitter he is today. I don’t think BJ has the same power potential, but he definitely has the skills to be one of the top center fielders in the game. And wouldn’t it be something if he achieved up to his potential and the Braves had 2 legitimate 5-tool players in the middle of this order for the next half decade.
The Braves can’t afford any $25m/year guys, so if you’re looking for the Braves to only sign “sure-bets” then don’t hold your breath.
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:41 am
CF. Gentry
3rd. Prado
RF. Heyward
LF. Hamilton
1st. Freeman
2nd. Uggla
C. McCann
SS. Simmons
P. Hudson/Medlen/Minor/Maholm/Hason/Teheran/Beachy
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
10:42 am
“Why is there all this man love for Dexter Fowler?!”
I heard one of our ‘experts’ say he was horrible in CF.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
10:44 am
TennesseePaul…”Sounds like a good reason to call up Old Man Gattis.”
I’m on that train.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
10:44 am
McCann’s batting 7th?
Isaac
November 20th, 2012
10:44 am
Why not bring back Costanza to play CF? Then you sign Hamilton which brings some pop to the lineup along with some excitement to the team to sale some tickets after losing Chipper. You may be left hand heavy but you have arguably one of the best line ups top to bottom with Costanza leading off.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:45 am
His HR totals… please. And that was my comment B’Ville. I don’t care about those career numbers… he had 2 insanely good years to start, he hasn’t come close to that since. He’s had 4 years of mediocrity. HRs don’t cure everything.
Interesting comment I came across….
Intrigued by Upton. Food for thought (2012 season):
the following lists: k%; SO; BB%; avg; obp; slg; wOBA
Player A: 26.7%; 168; 14.9%;.220; .348; .384; .325
Player B: 26.7%; 169; 7.1%; .246;.298; .454; .323
Player A is Dan Uggla.
Player B is BJ Upton.
Tumbledown
November 20th, 2012
10:46 am
Catcher Gerald Laird will get $3 million for his two-year deal with the Atlanta Braves, and could earn up to $750,000 in performance bonuses if he plays more than expected.
Hopefully, McCann won’t suffer any “unfortunate accidents” if Laird gets close to his performance bonus next year. Just kidding, of course.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
10:46 am
Isaac…”Why not bring back Costanza to play CF? Then you sign Hamilton”
Maybe Hamilton can testify to Jose and help him kick his bat-licking addiction.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:48 am
Jose and help him kick his bat-licking addiction.
That looks genetic to me.
One more reason to keep him away from children and pregnant women. Might be catching.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 20th, 2012
10:49 am
This sucks…I wish something would happen already. Just out of nowhere a headline that reads:
Braves sign Josh Hamilton-5 years 90 million with an option for 6th year.
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
10:50 am
jeffrey d, Freeman and McCann would be pretty much interchangable. But that’s a pretty scary lineup.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
10:50 am
BFS80s – What is wrong with you? Why do you care if Stanton wishes to be known by his REAL name? Is it really a problem for you…and is it really any of your business. You are sounding like a neurotic obscessive fool. Give it rest, man.
Isaac
November 20th, 2012
10:51 am
Am I missing something with Costanza? Is he not a fit with the Braves?
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
10:52 am
I’d prefer to sign Pagan or trade for Span, then left Gattis handle the left field duties, and save that extra money to lock up a few of these young guys (Medlen, Heyward and Freeman) and have some bank available for a mid-season trade. But I’m not a “go for it” kind of guy, and I really like Gattis and think he’s the long term answer for the power right-handed bat to hit cleanup between Heyward & Freeman. I’m sure I’m premature with that, but I have a really good feeling about this guy.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
10:53 am
Pagan will stay with the Giants.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
10:53 am
So many complain about Uggla and his lack of performance. Upton would get ripped to shreds if he produces just the avg he has over the last 3 seasons. The lack of obp is my biggest concern about Upton.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
10:54 am
Isaac…”Am I missing something with Costanza? Is he not a fit with the Braves?”
First off, you’re missing and “n” in his name. And second off, he is a perfect fit for the Braves…the Gwinnett Braves.
Hillbilly
November 20th, 2012
10:54 am
Don’t have a problem if you don’t want Upton, but let’s cite correct statistics will you?
I will when I cite any statistics at all. If you will look closer, the italicized part of my post was a copy and paste of TOBFs previous post. I included it to show what I was replying to. Forgive me for not checking his math, but the premise is the same. I wouldn’t say it’s comical. His home run total is improved, yes, no doubt…but his AVG, OBP, SLG, and OPS for each of those 4 years are nearly all below his career averages (.759 OPS in 2011 – career .758) I don’t consider that improvement and especially not worth $15 mill and a draft pick.
And while we’re citing correct stats, Upton has never scored 90 runs in a season. What you cited was his 162 game average, which is an amount of games that he has never played.
Shaun
November 20th, 2012
10:54 am
Shaun ………..
What the H$$$ are you talking about? We’re not looking at getting an All Star in Upton…..?
You want to pay $15 million a year for 5 years for a non-all star player???????
He could be in all-star. Also I don’t think folks realize how much wins cost on the free agent market. If you look at the going rate in recent years and Upton’s career performance, you’ll see that $15M a year for Upton is not unreasonable.
Also have to disagree about Francouer being the “worst player in baseball” or what ever you called him….
Francoeur was definitely one of the worst players who got as much playing time as he did in 2012. At best Francoeur is an okay platoon outfielder.
BravesFanSince80s
November 20th, 2012
10:55 am
ralieghbravefan, what’s the matter with you? why are you acting so crazy worrying over someone else’s opinion about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? you’re sounding like a neurotic obsessive fool. Give it a rest man…
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
10:56 am
Isaac – Constanza is probably a better fit than Costanza. You are missing something either way. One is a career AAAA ball player, the other is a bald fictional character.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
10:58 am
BFS80s – I’m very comfortable with my place on this blog vs yours.
stamper
November 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Okay… so here’s the thing. We already have one of the best left fielders in baseball in Prado. Why don’t we just keep him there??? Sure he’d rather play third, but it’s not like he’s miserable in left field. The dude just wants to play. Period. Keep him in left. It’s the easiest decision to make.
Our sleeper signing should be to make a play for Jeff Keppinger. He’s solid on both sides of the ball, won’t cost too much money, and always makes contact. Then platoon him and Francisco at third. Their combined offensive production should be about equivalent to what we got from Chipper in 2012,
As for center field, unless we can get Span or Fowler, our priorities in terms of signing should go… Bourn, Pagan, Victorino, Hamilton, Upton. If we sign Keppinger, we should have more than enough money to sign any of those above named players.
Let’s be real about our team for a minute… When was the last time we made a move for more than one premium free agent in one winter? It’s not in our DNA.
Anyway, provided we sign Keppinger, regardless of whichever center fielder we sign, we’re not going to be financially hamstrung. Thus, if we need to make any moves during the deadline, for pitcher, bullpen, bench, etc, we’ll still have plenty of wiggle room.
Speaking of bench, this particular deal leaves us plenty of room to improve our bench quality.
1. Bourn/Victorino/Pagan/Upton
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Freeman
5. Uggla
6. McCann
7. Keppinger/Francisco
8. Simmons
9. -pitcher-
Sign Keppinger. Have him and Francisco platoon third… but mostly play Keppinger.
Keep Prado in left. Sorry Prado, but it’s all part of the greater good.
Re-sign Bourn. Pay whatever it takes to keep him. Bottom line, he’s the best defensive center fielder available, and he probably will remain as such for the next 4 years…
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:59 am
why are you acting so crazy worrying over someone else’s opinion about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? you’re sounding like a neurotic obsessive fool.
You could say the same about you obsessing over Stanton’s name change. In his opinion, it was the best thing to do for him. And it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
stamper
November 20th, 2012
11:00 am
(disregard the extra stuff at the bottom… i started to ramble then forgot to hit delete)
BravesFanSince80s
November 20th, 2012
11:00 am
the fact that ANYONE cares about their place on a BLOG speaks volumes guys, seriously…
BravesFanSince80s
November 20th, 2012
11:03 am
it’s interesting to me that so many on here are OBVIOUSLY obsessed with getting the last word in on any subject that they’d care to argue over and yet they want to make the other guy out to be the obsessive one. I spoke my opinion about a player and had to defend my position, end of story, for me that is, you guys I’m sure will continue the “vitriol” to abuse one of the silly blog favorites…
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
11:05 am
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO…that hurt!
Lew
November 20th, 2012
11:05 am
Neurotic obsessive fool? Nah, none of that ever goes on here. Never. Not at all.
The hole in Uggla'a bat
November 20th, 2012
11:06 am
You guys need to lay off. I am working hard in off season. I should have my biceps around 26 inches by spring. I am also over 500lbs on bench press. I just recently squated 575lbs and my head is now a size 8 and 1 fourth. I am expecting a big year. Me, Mac, and BJ are gonna be off the chains with guys in scoring position.
Dan Uggla
RC
November 20th, 2012
11:06 am
Also, BJ is a racist, showboating, THUG. - Mixxo
Seriously? You are going to refer to someone else as racist, and then use “THUG” as your third adjective? Do you even realize the utter hypocrisy of that statement?
You can probably show me evidence of Upton showboating at some point….which is true of roughly 50% of the players in the league. But unless you’ve got some concrete evidence to support calling someone “racist” or a “THUG” (however the hell you’d define that), you are probably better just not talking for a while.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
11:06 am
For you, it’s NEVER “end of story”.
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
11:07 am
Hamilton’s body is also starting to break down from all those years of damage.
Yeah, he’s Chipper but with evident emotional and mental hangups. But let’s have Wren pay Hammy a fortune to play part time in Atlanta. Throw in a counselor, too.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
11:07 am
RC – Just consider the source, and let it go.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
11:09 am
you are probably better just not talking for a while.
If “a while” for Mixxo is until the earth is swallowed by a roaming galactic black hole, I’m good with that.
Tumbledown
November 20th, 2012
11:09 am
I have a hard time believing that Upton is worth $15 million per year for five years. I know there are stats showing his value might justify such a contract. It is just that the ole “pit in the stomach” test is not on board. Then again, such a test furthers my lack of qualification to be a GM.
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
11:12 am
I have a hard time believing that Upton is worth $15 million per year for five years.
Rest assured, you’re not alone in this big universe, Tumbledown.
DAP
November 20th, 2012
11:12 am
i dont hate the idea of upton, i just cant wrap my brain around it as the right fit for atlanta. he plays CF, but he doesnt hit well enough to leadoff, or to bat in the middle of the lineup. he really need to be hitting 7th, probably. thus, it doesnt seem like the right fit to me. i think swisher makes more sense, if your gonna lose a draft pick over it. shish hits for power and gets on base enough to keep the lineup moving. he would actually work as a cleanup hitter.
RC
November 20th, 2012
11:12 am
raleighbravefan,
Yeah, that’s probably for the best. Most dumb comments are easy to ignore, because while stupid they are generally harmless. When a guy comes on here spewing trash like that though it’s hard not to call him out for it.
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
11:13 am
“Seriously? You are going to refer to someone else as racist, and then use “THUG” as your third adjective? Do you even realize the utter hypocrisy of that statement?” RC
Thugs aren’t defined by race alone you idiot.
Oh, and talk about hypocisy…. :facepalm:
Don
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
Most everyone talks about how the Braves made a huge, huge mistake in securing Uggla with his low BA and extremely high strike out totals – and I agree.
Now some of you are approving the idea of signing Upton who also hits below 250 and also has strike out totals more than twice as high as what should be acceptable – about 170 strikeouts. BUT WAIT – Although this doesn’t make up for his other limitations, at least Uggla has a decent On Base Percentage. But Upton is TERRIBLE there ALSO with an On Base Percentage of less than .300 to go with his terible B.A. and terrible strike out totals.
To consider him is absurd. We do not need a second player in the batting order approaching 200 strikeouts – at any price.
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
*hypocrisy
lol
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
You guys need to lay off. I am working hard in off season. I should have my biceps around 26 inches by spring. I am also over 500lbs on bench press. I just recently squated 575lbs and my head is now a size 8 and 1 fourth. I am expecting a big year. Me, Mac, and BJ are gonna be off the chains with guys in scoring position.
Dan Uggla
Big biceps do not a hitter make… but it may make Dan the cover of “Bicep” magazine or somesuch.
Arkansas Transplant
November 20th, 2012
11:14 am
I’m just excited about the possibilities this off season possesses. For once, we can be players on any front.
single white dove
November 20th, 2012
11:15 am
Im tired of people talking about leadoff hitter. We need power. Upton would have better chance for that then bourne…
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
11:16 am
Most everyone talks about how the Braves made a huge, huge mistake in securing Uggla with his low BA and extremely high strike out totals
You mean, “most everyone at my house”, don’t you?
RC
November 20th, 2012
11:16 am
I have a hard time believing that Upton is worth $15 million per year for five years.
I sort of feel the same way, but then I think about what free agent contracts are likely to look like next year, when every team has an extra $30 million to play with. Salaries are getting ready to go up significantly in the next few years, so while $15 million is a lot of money, it’s probably not as much relative to what we’ve seen the past few years.
I REALLY hope that this offseason results in LT contracts for Prado and Heyward (and wouldn’t mind some others) before the market explodes next offseason.
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
11:16 am
raleighbravefan
Another genius among us.
:facepalm:
Carroll
November 20th, 2012
11:16 am
Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ve said it before and will say it again…as a resident of the Tampa area, and a follower of the Rays as my second team, Upton is a poor choice. He is Andruw Jones without the charming smile….an enigma, a strikeout machine, a non-clutch performer, attitude issues. Please nooooo!! At what point do we learn from the Giants, the A’s, and the cardinals of the world who enjoy success while the big spenders of the world (the Angels, marlins, Yankees, BoreSox, et al) flounder. Spending big does not = success. Doing due diligence and spending the appropriate amt for a player who fits your specific needs (i.e. on-base machines), while retaining the flexibility to address needs as you go along, is the way to go!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
11:17 am
DAP and Tumbledown- Excellent posts.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
11:17 am
Would you rather have Bourn at 5 yrs $18m a year or Upton at 5 yrs and 14-15m a year? Taking in all factors, age, power, obp and defense. I am guessing that is what we are looking at for those 2.
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
11:18 am
To consider him is absurd. We do not need a second player in the batting order approaching 200 strikeouts – at any price.
Ergo, Wren is absurd. Not buying that, though I don’t favor the Braves signing Upton. And B.J. hasn’t hit the vaunted 200 mark in strike outs… yet. He was about thirty off the mark this past season. But better things to come for Upton, Donny. 200 Ks isn’t out of the question.
RC
November 20th, 2012
11:19 am
He is Andruw Jones without the charming smile….
So he’s just one of the best defensive CF in major league history with 50 HR power? (I know that Upton is none of those things, just taking a chance to point out how awesome Andruw Jones was)
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
11:23 am
I’m beginning to think that the players the Braves should acquire do not actually exist, if the tenor of the blog is to be believed, LOL.
cdog
November 20th, 2012
11:24 am
B J would be a better leadoff man than michael bourne. bourne wants to be a homerun hitter at leadoff.he has no clue what a leadoff hitter”s role is so whoever they get would be better than bourne.
the rev al
November 20th, 2012
11:24 am
This is all just window dressing for the fans sake. No way the Braves are going to step up and pay to sign for an Upton. Bank on it!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
11:25 am
Guthrie signed thru 2015 by Royals… 1 less pitcher they need from us. Teheran and Hanson for Myers or Gordon.
Don
November 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Uggla, Upton, and Big Mac – all three players hitting in the .220s to .240s and two of them approaching 200 strike outs each.
And the three of them taking up ALMOST HALF (almost 50%) of the PAYROLL.
IS THIS A JOKE.
And we wonder why the Braves do not win.
Efrim
November 20th, 2012
11:27 am
Three years for Jeremy Guthrie? Yikes, Dayton.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
11:30 am
Uggla, Upton, and Big Mac – all three players hitting in the .220s to .240s and two of them approaching 200 strike outs each.
That would be really bad, if they were replaying the 2012 season. But they aren’t, so it’s not.
I expect this kind of thing from the usual blog numbletards, but it seems to be getting more pervasive the last few days.
Carroll
November 20th, 2012
11:31 am
RC: Yes BJ is great defensively (when he wants to be), much like Andruw Jones. And While AJ had some good offensiive numbers here and there, I absolutely despised him as a hitter for all the same reasons I listed about BJ above–high K’s, no clutch hitting, doesn’t run out hits, the appearance that he doesn’t even care and doesn’t even work the pitcher for a productive AB–always swinging for the fences..there was even a game a year or two ago where Longoria almost got into a fist fight with him due to frustration over these issues. With that said, as you pointed out, BJ is not even half the hitter AJ was. That just underscores my point. thank you
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
11:32 am
scoots – I sing tenor. Does that make me the “tenor of the blog”?
Efrim
November 20th, 2012
11:33 am
Guthrie, Santana, Chen, Hochevar, Volstad, Mendoza…..
Duffy and Paulino coming off of TJ surgery. Odorizzi a possibility as is Montgomery, Lamb, Dwyer although I don’t think they are readu yet. Royals still need another arm – and a top one at that.
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
11:33 am
And we wonder why the Braves do not win.
Donny, stay moored to reality, would ya? The Braves won 94 games in 2012 and went to the post season. Yes, they sucked wind in the WC game, but that’s another story.
Tumbledown
November 20th, 2012
11:33 am
I’m beginning to think that the players the Braves should acquire do not actually exist, if the tenor of the blog is to be believed, LOL.
He exists, thy name is STANTON!!
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
11:34 am
I sing tenor. Does that make me the “tenor of the blog”?
Some posters make me want to give them the kick that makes them sing soprano.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
11:34 am
Gotta go….later friends…and others, too.
Fols
November 20th, 2012
11:36 am
I wouldn’t exactly say the Braves do not win…….they do not win when it matters most but there are a lot of teams out there that would die for a chance to make that wild card game (that should never be considered post-season).
I really hope the Braves reach out for a Span type of player for CF, give up a pitcher and make them take Hanson in the process. If Prado moves to 3B we should be putting a lot of resources into a LF power bat.
Years of being a ‘proper’ team under Chipper’s spot in the line-up…well that didnt’ bring in the championships and it seems to have lost excitement since the fans are bored with that era.
Hamilton batting 4th in this line-up might send a pulse through Atlanta’s clubhouse.
Span
Prado
Heyward
Hamilton
Freeman
Uggla
Mac
Simmons