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Ray
November 20th, 2012
8:10 am
Let’s not start blaming LM for not signing Bourn quite yet. Its stupid. There is a guy name Boras involved. I am guessing the Braves offer Bourn somewhere in the 13-15m a year for 4-5 yrs. If and when the Nat’s offer either the same OR even higher its up to Bourn and Boras on the deals on the table. I would again guess that Boras would push Bourn to accept the Nat’s deal. And I don’t want to see the Braves “over pay” for anyone. Look at the teams that over pay free agents, they end up getting burned and handcuff the team for several years. And plus those of you clamoring to over pay, will be the first annoying ones complaining that the Braves over paid.
Jeff R
November 20th, 2012
8:14 am
Bourn struck out a lot and his second half was poor offensively. His agent, Scott Boras, is famous for leveraging contracts for his clients that nicely overpay them for their services.
Reports are that Boras is seeking a contract for Bourn well over the 5/75 that most thought would be Bourn’s ask.
Bourn’s defense is superb, yes. But he’s not worth the price tag.
I’ll take Span or even Fowler, both of whom are capable center-fielders and good hitters. And for a lot less than the Braves would have to fork over for Bourn.
Trader Jack
November 20th, 2012
8:16 am
Looking at the overnight comments, it appears that they finally installed wi-fi at the asylum.
Peter
November 20th, 2012
8:17 am
If your not willing to “overpay” for players you are never going to compete for a championship…..and not talking about a “division championship” either.
So who did the Giant’s over pay for on their roster ? Hmmmmmmm ?
The Walrus
November 20th, 2012
8:18 am
The Braves do NOT need another 160 strikeouts in the lineup, especially when those strikeouts are attached to an average outfielder.
fladawg
November 20th, 2012
8:20 am
I don’t think Upton or Bourn will be Braves next year because the Phillies will overpay Upton and the Nats will overpay Bourn. The Braves will end up with a second tier free agent, and that is not a bad thing. I am scared that now that Wren has a more money to spend that he will mismanage it with another Uggla-like signing.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:21 am
So who did the Giant’s over pay for on their roster ? Hmmmmmmm ?
Zito.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:23 am
Also, Aubrey Huff. $10 million for a .192 average.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
8:23 am
Yes let’s over pay for Bourn and Hamilton for 5-7 yrs, handcuffing the team on making moves in the future especially when it comes to re-signing Freeman and Hayward etc. @Peter, perfect example with the Giants. Ask the Marlins what overpaying did for their team last year. Ask the Met’s how that worked out for them for the last decade and look where their team is now, hoping to contend somewhere in the future.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:24 am
Lincecum made $18M last year
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:25 am
And for the record, the Giants won the same number of games as the Braves last year (94). They just didn’t have to play a 1-game playoff.
reckingball
November 20th, 2012
8:26 am
I hope that they don’t sign Upton for that much money.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
8:28 am
@jeffrey d, we all can go thru every roster and look at guys salaries and performance not living up to the dollars. I agree with you in the likes of Zito. When that deal was done, I knew it was a bad deal but I am one not in favor of long term deals especially for pitchers. The only one that comes to mind that has worked out is CC. But in my opinion, most long term deals over 5-6 yrs just don’t work out too well for the team
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:29 am
we all can go thru every roster and look at guys salaries and performance not living up to the dollars
Yeah I know, but the question was “Who did the Giants overpay for.”
Zito, duh.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
8:31 am
crazies all over the place last night. Who really is that dumb? They gotta be trolling…
fladawg
November 20th, 2012
8:31 am
Saying that you have to “over pay” to compete for a championship makes absolutely no sense. If overpaying was the key, the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Phillies, Dodgers would win the World Series every year.
Scott
November 20th, 2012
8:33 am
Sure would like to Span in CF batting leadoff. That is the only way I am ok with Upton, if he plays LF and bats 6th. With that said playing LF and batting 6th or 7th doesn’t command the type of money that he is seeking in my opinion. Yes, he is young, but all signs point to regression. Take a chance on Hamilton in LF for $25 a year for say 3 or 4 years and fill CF with a leadoff caliber cheaper or trade.
Scott
November 20th, 2012
8:33 am
Sure would like to Span in CF batting leadoff. That is the only way I am ok with Upton, if he plays LF and bats 6th. With that said playing LF and batting 6th or 7th doesn’t command the type of money that he is seeking in my opinion. Yes, he is young, but all signs point to regression. Take a chance on Hamilton in LF for $25 a year for say 3 or 4 years and fill CF with a leadoff caliber cheaper or trade.
CB
November 20th, 2012
8:37 am
TOBF,that was a loaded question.
Rick C
November 20th, 2012
8:40 am
Scott, the Braves only have about $25 million to spend. They give Hamilton that, they don’t have a CF or bench.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
8:40 am
I would like to have Span as the centerfielder too but what are you wanting to give up for him. It’s time to play a little GM. And don’t come in and say Hanson only. The twins would hang up the phone.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
8:42 am
Bourn struck out a lot and his second half was poor offensively.
I believe you’ll find that the only poor second half of his career, Jeff. Probably not indicative.
Couch Tater
November 20th, 2012
8:45 am
crazies all over the place last night. Who really is that dumb?
http://auburnauthority.com/2012/11/20/chizik-8th-highest-paid-coach-auburn-staff-3rd-highest/
Bravesfan77
November 20th, 2012
8:47 am
If were going to give a player 15 million per year, can’t we at least get a 5 tool player who is young and can get the job done every day. And his dad needs to be his hitting coach.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
8:47 am
I would like to have Span as the centerfielder too but what are you wanting to give up for him. It’s time to play a little GM. And don’t come in and say Hanson only. The twins would hang up the phone.
Probably overvaluing Span a little. He isn’t going to bring some top-of-the-rotation starter back in trade. Hanson is probably about right, with maybe some filler going both ways.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
8:48 am
If were going to give a player 15 million per year, can’t we at least get a 5 tool player who is young
Of course! Why didn’t Wren sign that guy??! It was so obvious! GAH!!
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
8:49 am
If were going to give a player 15 million per year, can’t we at least get a 5 tool player who is young and can get the job done every day.
That’s a $25MM player, in today’s market.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
8:51 am
I know we all say/think that Hamilton is gonna get near 25mil for his services. But it appears that there aren’t many teams in on him right now that can afford that. Any chance at all that his price drops to somthing closer to 17 or 18mil for up to 4 guaranteed? And will his price be directly affected by what Bourn gets?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
8:54 am
Hanson and Spruill/Gilmartin for Span sounds right… though I’m sure they will want (the future #2
) Delgado
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 20th, 2012
8:54 am
So the Braves have all this $ to spend finally and one of the best offensive bats in the game available and the fans don’t want anyone but second tier, journeymen players? No wonder the fans don’t come out to the games. Boy if the Braves signed guys like Ross, Pagan, Victorino I would be on the phone right away getting season tickets, and I live in Illinois. Come on guys our team hasn’t won a Championship since 95 and most of you want mediocre players? I don’t mind a guy like Span because we need a lead-off hitter but then you definitely to sign a guy like Hamilton to help offensively. He’s a game changer. I understand the uncertainty of a player like Upton but if the Braves staff see something in the guy then I’ll trust them…that’s what they get paid to do. He does a great combination of power and speed and I believe Walker and Fletcher can get him to look at more pitches and be more selective.
Carroll Rogers
November 20th, 2012
9:01 am
The Braves added catcher Christian Bethancourt and right-handers Zeke Spruill, David Hale, Aaron Northcraft and Cory Rasmus to 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft with is on Dec. 6 at the winter meetings in Nashville.
Halbert
November 20th, 2012
9:04 am
I am having a hard time understanding why BJ Upton would be Wren’s number one target free agent? I don’t see what it is about Uptons game that attracts Wren so much. Sure, he hits for power and has some speed, but that is all. He doesn’t hit for any sort of average, strikes out a TON, doesn’t get on base and really isn’t a great run producer. So what makes Wren decide to go all in for him? Because he is right handed? Wouldn’t Span and another high average hitter for left do better? Why not get a couple guys who put together good at bats consistently, rather than hit the occasional home run?
Couch Tater
November 20th, 2012
9:04 am
In today’s market….
“Last week News Corporation neared a deal with Yankees Global Enterprises to buy a 49 percent stake in the Yes Network, a regional New York sports network with a valuation of about $3 billion. A stake in Yes would add to News Corporation’s lineup of regional sports channels and contribute to its reported plans to introduce a national cable sports channel that could take on the Walt Disney Company’s ESPN.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/business/media/news-corporation-looks-at-potential-acquisitions.html?ref=media
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
9:06 am
and I believe Walker and Fletcher can get him to look at more pitches and be more selective.
Well, regardless of where he hits in the lineup, he’ll be surrounded by a much more potent lineup than in Tampa. He may have felt that he had to do something every AB down there, and that’s pretty much a guarantee of bad outs. Place him in a lineup where he doesn’t have to carry the load, and who knows? Maybe he relaxes enough to just let his talent play.
Mixxo
November 20th, 2012
9:07 am
Please……NO BJ Upton!
Thank you.
Luman Harris
November 20th, 2012
9:08 am
GIve Hamilton whatever it takes, trade for Span …. boom, the Braves are almost as good as my ‘69 club.
Luman Harris
November 20th, 2012
9:08 am
GIve Hamilton whatever it takes, trade for Span …. boom, the Braves are almost as good as my ‘69 club.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
9:09 am
If Mixxo is against a BJ Upton signing, I start to feel better about him becoming a Brave.
Luman Harris
November 20th, 2012
9:09 am
Halbert – what makes you think BJ Upton is Wren’s No 1 target?
He always plays the misdirection game. And sometimes it works!
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
9:11 am
Thanks for the work CR.
“I think it’s highly unlikely, but like I said, I don’t mark him off the list until he goes elsewhere and we hear that it’s not going to work.”
–Frank Wren
That’s what I want to hear.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
9:12 am
I’m 50/50 on Upton. I like his potential and there have been players over the years that underachieved early in their careers and turned it on later (Jose Bautista). So I like the idea of what Upton could be capable of. But I’m terrified of adding another .240 hitter with 150 K’s to this lineup if he doesn’t flip the switch. It’s a risk, but I guess free agents are always a risk. Sometimes a team has to take a shot at a high risk / high reward guy.
If he ends up a Brave, I’ll be excited and hope for the best. That’s all we can do as fans.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
9:12 am
Spekaing of CBet (OD backup? or would he split some time w/ Laird)… in he’s hitting .286/.310/.393/.703 (in 28 ABs) and is yet to strike out.
Why so few ABs for him anyway? I’d have him getting more playing time than any of the other 4 catchers
Ross Boys
November 20th, 2012
9:12 am
Hamilton will hit. 340 45 125 & Upton will hit. 270 29 100 so get Hamilton.
RC
November 20th, 2012
9:12 am
jeffrey d coming strong with the logic this morning! I like it!
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
9:13 am
Place him in a lineup where he doesn’t have to carry the load, and who knows?
You seem to be painting a picture of BJ coming to Atlanta and freaking out, pressing, pushing himself in his at bats to get something done, as each of those “big hitters” goes into their mid-season slumps.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
9:19 am
BJ Upton’s average won’t rise much imo. (babip) Only thing we can hope for is that he gets better pitch selection and takes more walks to remain valuable even when slumping (which he does for nearly 120 games). Outside of a good 30-40 game stretch when he gets hot, he’s about a .650-.700 hitter. Defense isn’t great either. 15mil is too big of a risk.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
9:20 am
jeffrey d coming strong with the logic this morning!
I’m the voice of reason the blog deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
9:22 am
You seem to be painting a picture of BJ coming to Atlanta and freaking out, pressing, pushing himself in his at bats to get something done, as each of those “big hitters” goes into their mid-season slumps.
Certainly a possibility, LOL. But if Heyward, Freeman, Uggla, and McCann are all in slumps at the same time, to the extent where Upton felt he had to carry the club, Braves are pretty much in the toilet, anyway, and it won’t matter how BJ Upton performs. We’ll call that one moot. On the other hand, if he deals with it like a rational player, he shouldn’t be anymore susceptible to that pressing than any of the other middle of the order bats. Surely you don’t think that having Heyward and Freeman in the order would have the same effect on Upton as seeing Drew Sutton (!) hit cleanup.
Maybe the security of a long-term deal frees him up to perform. Or maybe it makes him press.
Maybe a change of scenery turns his attitude. Or maybe he just gets lazier.
Maybe he breaks out. Or maybe he is what he’s recently shown.
Not questions I’d want to try to answer.
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
9:29 am
Ross Boys…”Hamilton will hit. 340 45 125 & Upton will hit. 270 29 100 so get Hamilton.”
Hamilton’s body is also starting to break down from all those years of damage. So for a 7 year contract, you’ll be paying for 2, maybe 3 good years followed by the inevitable decline, which probably involves Hamilton being on the DL most of the time. With Upton, there’s a strong chance you get more value out of the contract. But I guess it depends on your definition of value. Some may be okay with “going for it” in the next few years and then dealing with the consequences later, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
ncgary
November 20th, 2012
9:30 am
giancarlo sounds unrealistic but he is blistering the miami press and 3 or 4 latino up and comers might get lorias ears
Efrim
November 20th, 2012
9:30 am
“I think it’s highly unlikely, but like I said, I don’t mark him off the list until he goes elsewhere and we hear that it’s not going to work.”
–Frank Wren
That’s what I want to hear.
Was that on Bourn?
Dadgum.....
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
I was going to post something but realize I have nothing of value to add.
Rock on…..as I leave myself wide open as a screen door
.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
Hamilton
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
I thought it was on Hamilton
richbrave
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
“….The Braves added catcher Christian Bethancourt and right-handers Zeke Spruill, David Hale, Aaron Northcraft and Cory Rasmus to 40-man roster, protecting them from the Rule 5 draft with is on Dec. 6 at the winter meetings in Nashville…..”
Thanx CARROLL.
ncgary
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
lemke if thats the case offer hamilton 30 mil each year for 2 years, 15 mil first year 15 mil second year and 30 million bonus if plays in 280 regular season games
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
9:33 am
Don’t screen doors usually automatically close on their own?
ncgary
November 20th, 2012
9:34 am
and make sure fg gives him plenty of rest
Efrim
November 20th, 2012
9:34 am
Christian Bethancourt and right-handers Zeke Spruill, David Hale, Aaron Northcraft and Cory Rasmus
Hale and Rasmus have futures as pen arms. I think Northcraft is a sidearmer with a good sinker, so that’s probably his place too. Zeke as a 4/5 potential starter. We have a lot of depth. Please make them trades, Frank.
what you eat for breakfast?
November 20th, 2012
9:38 am
No upton go for hamilton!
Odelay
November 20th, 2012
9:38 am
BJ’s a talented, but flawed player in a saturated market. I don’t blame the Braves for being interested, and I won’t be mad if they sign him, but given the number of options available, the Braves have the upper hand in negotiations. There will be absolutely no excuses for an overpay of BJ Upton. Offer him something reasonable, but if he says no just go shopping elsewhere. They don’t have room in the budget for another Dan Uggla-type situation.
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
9:38 am
Lots of negative Karma last night. What the hell is the problem with BFS80’s? And why is he obsessed with Stanton’s name. I mean, who gives a shydt what he wants to be called, and why is it a problem? The explaination makes sense to me. And whose business is it anyway? Sheesh. And that’s the LEAST stupid thing said by BFS80’s last night.
what you eat for breakfast?
November 20th, 2012
9:40 am
Plus hamilton would maybe put people in the stands, I am sorry but I doubt many people will wear Upton jerseys.
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
9:42 am
That was very well said, Odelay
raleighbravefan
November 20th, 2012
9:42 am
Someone said we could probably get Hamilton for 5 years at $18mil per. That ain’t happening….but if it were true, I wouldn’t give him a chance to change his mind. Then go get Span, and let’s go!
Lemke's Knuckler
November 20th, 2012
9:43 am
ncgary…”lemke if thats the case offer hamilton 30 mil each year for 2 years, 15 mil first year 15 mil second year and 30 million bonus if plays in 280 regular season games”
I’m sure Hamilton’s agent will jump at a 2 year contract with only half the money guaranteed. Geez.
Don
November 20th, 2012
9:45 am
You have got to be kidding:
Keep on signing players with high strike out totals – and you will keep failing.
About 170 strike outs – twice as many as an acceptable total.
Hitting less than .250 with an On Base Percentage of less than .300 – and a strike out total of about 170. This is absurd.
Hitters with high strike out totals usually do not hit the good pitchers or in close games or in game winning situations.
Don
November 20th, 2012
9:45 am
You have got to be kidding:
Keep on signing players with high strike out totals – and you will keep failing.
About 170 strike outs – twice as many as an acceptable total.
Hitting less than .250 with an On Base Percentage of less than .300 – and a strike out total of about 170. This is absurd.
Hitters with high strike out totals usually do not hit the good pitchers or in close games or in game winning situations.
Don
November 20th, 2012
9:45 am
You have got to be kidding:
Keep on signing players with high strike out totals – and you will keep failing.
About 170 strike outs – twice as many as an acceptable total.
Hitting less than .250 with an On Base Percentage of less than .300 – and a strike out total of about 170. This is absurd.
Hitters with high strike out totals usually do not hit the good pitchers or in close games or in game winning situations.
ncgary
November 20th, 2012
9:47 am
well 280 games is a pretty realistic number for a young man to play
jeffrey d
November 20th, 2012
9:48 am
Keep on signing players with high strike out totals – and you will keep failing
“Keep on”? When’s the last time the Braves signed a player with high strike out totals?
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 20th, 2012
9:48 am
With the news coming out from some reporter on CBS Knobler that Upton may be the favoring Philly(not sure how he would know that) I say let them have him so they go all in on Hamilton. I know he is older but the guy can hit when he’s in there and it doesn’t matter if it’s a righty or lefty pitching. He’ll sell more tickets, get more fans to come out, make up for the loss of Chipper and Bourn especially if he can stay on the field which is his only question mark. Throw him in left to preserve his health and get a RH bat for CF or a Span type player. Call it an offseason. I don’t know the more I think about it, and the more time passes without an announcement of Upton signing with us I’m thinking this is what could happen. The way Wren keeps beating around the bush about Hamilton seems like something could be happening with him, especially since not too many teams are in on him like they would be in years past. Plus with everything he’s gone through I don’t believe he’ll sign in a big market city.
Rick C
November 20th, 2012
9:48 am
You have got to be kidding:
Keep on pressing “submit comment” – and you will keep posting.
braves for life
November 20th, 2012
9:49 am
Forget bourn and Upton. Both strike out way too much. Bourn struckout 155 times and Upton 169. Both have similar speed but Upton had more doubles and a lot more hrs. Neither are worth the $.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
9:52 am
Hitters with high strike out totals usually do not hit the good pitchers or in close games or in game winning situations.
Upton with RISP – .766 OPS
Upton with men on – .790 OPS
Upton with runner 3B LT 2 out – .813 OPS
Upton RISP 2 outs – .815 OPS
This would seem to belie your premise, at least for this particular player.
ALJ
November 20th, 2012
9:55 am
I rather have Pagan and he will be about 6 million dollars cheaper per year.
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
9:57 am
On the other hand, if he deals with it like a rational player, he shouldn’t be anymore susceptible to that pressing than any of the other middle of the order bats.
…
Maybe the security of a long-term deal frees him up to perform. Or maybe it makes him press.
Maybe a change of scenery turns his attitude. Or maybe he just gets lazier.
Maybe he breaks out. Or maybe he is what he’s recently shown.
Your previous post seemed to imply that BJ may not have dealt with it like a rational player while in Tampa and I don’t see those as the right questions.
I don’t think BJ was “worried” about long-term security while in Tampa and thus saw his OBP drop from .380+ to .290+
I am also highly suspect of this “he’s lazy” charge. That charge was laid at the feet of Andruw Jones his entire time with the Braves. It was bogus the entire time as well. (Fairly certain everyone bitching and moaning right now would love to have the best defensive CF in history who hits .263/.342/.497/.839 averaging 31 HR a year in CF)
The odds, the probabilities are, he’s the .242/.316/.420/.736 hitter he has been for the last 4 seasons more so than the .286/.384/.452/.836 he was for a brief period over half a decade ago.
There’s an outside chance, I suppose, that he re-taps into that “potential”. A very outside chance. I just wouldn’t bank on it. I wouldn’t even argue it as a reason to sign him. I highly doubt changing teams, leagues or even divisions is going to help him gain back 60+ points in on base percentage. Sign him if he’s the best option available, just don’t try to spin it as if he’s the best CF in the league, or a premium player. And try not to over pay the guy otherwise the most likely potential tapped is bust.
Lew
November 20th, 2012
9:57 am
Trade for Span or Fowler, sign Swisher, piss off scoots in doing so and let’s go play some winning baseball.
Ray
November 20th, 2012
9:59 am
No thanks on Hamilton at 25m a year. Where are the bench pieces coming from? I really like Hamilton but not for that amount.
chris watson
November 20th, 2012
10:00 am
four years/48 million would be THE MAX I would pay for Bourne. .270 hitter with little power who strikes out way too much. He led the NL in caught stealing last year so his speed is starting to slip. Towards the end of the contract he will certainly slow quite a bit more. I would not want this guy for more than 3 or 4 years. I will be suprised if Boras can land the contract he is looking for.
chase
November 20th, 2012
10:01 am
Getting BJ UPTON is a direct precursor to trading for JUSTIN UPTON.mark it down…If the Braves get one, they will get BOTH
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10:01 am
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Ross Boys
November 20th, 2012
10:02 am
Sign Hamilton for 4 years not 7 years.
chase
November 20th, 2012
10:02 am
I really like the idea of re-signing ANDRUW JONES for a Bench role…RH power off the bench and good back up defense in LF, CF, RF and CHEAP!
P-Town Brave ©
November 20th, 2012
10:03 am
Morning all!
I was thinking about Braves stuff last night and I guess I was curious….
My brain being fried and all, maybe someone can tell me the last time we signed a FA position player to what would be considered a sizeable contract (at the time)?
For some reason, Brian Jordan back in 99 sticks in my mind as the last one as I recall him signing a 5 year deal worth like 40M, but then he was traded after year 3
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:04 am
Your previous post seemed to imply that BJ may not have dealt with it like a rational player while in Tampa
Actually, it didn’t. It implied that a lineup with only Evan Longoria as the only other real offensive threat may have led to Upton attempting to do too much at the plate, and that being in a deeper offensive lineup (such as the Braves) should lessen the possibility that such a thing would occur.
In other words, it was very rational that Upton would feel more offensive pressure in TB, and also rational that he would be less likely to feel so in Atlanta.
chase
November 20th, 2012
10:04 am
The ONLY way I’d pay that much for HAMILTON is if the Braves could trade for DEXTER FOWLER or sign PAGAN for CF and move Hamilton to LF
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2012
10:05 am
I think the Phillies are probably the favorite to sign BJ. The park is more hitter friendly and Phillies are usually willing to overpay for the guy they want. Don’t see Wren getting in a bidding war past a certain point.
P-Town Brave ©
November 20th, 2012
10:05 am
I don’t know, but somehow I think I’d take the knowledge base and expert opinions of Wren, Manno, Cox, Walker, and Fletcher over yours TP….
While I appreciate the opinion, I can’t see that many guys being completely sold on a guy if they didn’t believe they could help him
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:05 am
BJ has potential you say? Yes, his potential means being a .242/.316/.420/.736 hitter who is no more a lefty masher than 1 Brian McCann; hell, even Dan Uggla hits lefties as well as he does. Both outperform him vs. righties. And we’re even considering paying this guy more than those 2 because of some assumed “potential”? Give me a friggin break. He hasn’t gotten any better in his last 4 years, years that he was approaching his prime. He’s there now and now all of a sudden he’s gonna get better because of a team change? Why? Seriously, why is it gonna click for him all of a sudden. I’m not getting it. 15mil and a draft pick is too high a cost, esp. with the likelihood being higher that he is what he’s been for the last 4 years; heavens forbid he busts.
bwell
November 20th, 2012
10:06 am
I knew it! Going the cheaper route. Keep Bourn and get Upton too move Prado to third. Once again taking the cheaper route. Come on Time Warner spend some of those billions
TennesseePaul
November 20th, 2012
10:06 am
In other words, it was very rational that Upton would feel more offensive pressure in TB, and also rational that he would be less likely to feel so in Atlanta.
That’s a completely irrational statement. ( :
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:07 am
Lew, a Swisher signing would result in disappointment, rather than anger. I’d just be sad that they didn’t catch the perpetrator before he filled the FO water cooler with mescaline.
Cold Stove Rumors...
November 20th, 2012
10:08 am
Braves reportedly have traded Dan Uggla to Mets for bats, 500 balls, 60 tees, and 300 batting gloves. Buster Olney says Braves got better end of trade. “I must say that is a lot of equipment to trade for a. 205 hitter that makes $12 million a year. Were those batting gloves made by Nike? Yikes”.
ncscoots
November 20th, 2012
10:08 am
That’s a completely irrational statement
Explain.
Josh
November 20th, 2012
10:09 am
Sign Greinke and throw every trade piece you have at Stanton!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:10 am
I’d rather see Hanson back in our rotation than see BJ Uptonogood signed. At least 1 guy will be performing to his perceived potential. Not to mention that it won’t be hard to cut dies if/when he sukks.
richbrave
November 20th, 2012
10:12 am
The BRAVES have 36 on the current 40-man by my count which leaves room for more additions. Also on the list are JAIR JURRGENS, ANTHONY VARVARO, and PETER MOYLAN, three names i do not expect to be there come April.
Added this off-season to date
Pitchers
ZEKE SPRUILL RHSP
AARON NORTHCRAFT RHSP
DAVID HALE RHSP
CORY RASMUS RHRP
JUAN JAIME RHRP
Catchers
GERALD LAIRD
CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT
Infielders
ERNESTO MEJIA
Outfielders
JORDAN SCHAFER
ROBERT FISH and ERIC CORDIER were outrighted to GWINNETT.
DAVID ROSS signed with the RED SOX
J. C. BOSCAN signed with the CUBS
LUIS DURANGO and IAN GAC with the ROYALS.
Of our FA from last season, I would sign REED JOHNSON, and CHAD DURBIN.
Of the minor leagers released maybe BUDDY CARLYSLE, JOSH KROEGER, FELIX PIE, JOSH WILSON, RUBEN GOTAY, and JOSE YEPEZ.
Furman Bitcher
November 20th, 2012
10:14 am
THIS GUY IS AN AVERAGE HITTER AT BEST. We already have a hitter like him on the team and his name is Uggla. This cannot be the best use of 15 million over 5 yrs. LOOK AT HIS SPLITS!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 20th, 2012
10:14 am
Felix Pie got signed by the Pirates, w/ invite to Spring Training, richbrave.