3:21 pm November 19, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
November 23rd, 20128:18 pm
We get it! LOL
Get it done, Frank
It would be one stop shopping.
November 23rd, 20128:25 pm
holy cow LOL — VaBravesfan
That’s a neat little device DOB installed to increase his blog hits during the slow season, isn’t it.
November 23rd, 20128:26 pm
rich: I understand your point of view… I’m just not so against trading our lefties. We’ve got more pitching! Minor and Maholm at the MLB level now, Gilmartin and Wood waiting behind them. And I’m sure we’ll get another lefty with one of our first 3 picks this year. I’d rather trade Hanson, but if the Rockies, Twins, and DBacks all said to want some solid, veteran pitching, I think Maholm fits that description better. Minor gets involved if they want a controllable starter. Trading him means that the FO thinks that Wood can be ready by mid2014 (which I think is possible) and will be able to play well. I wouldn’t be against trading him, in the right deal.
In order, trade pieces (mainly pitchers) I’d feel most willing to trade: Hanson, Spruill, Salcedo, Ahmed, Teheran, Maholm, Minor, Delgado, Graham
(Graham is untouchable to me, Minor is virtually untouchable, and I’d rather trade Teheran than Delgado). Maholm/Minor only if necessary, and if we’d be going for another stud SP from FA.
Well from what I have read here and the Nov. 9 article from DOB, it seems simple…send the Minn. Twins some combination of pitching prospects (what they desire most) and others and get two needs at once…Span for CF and Willingham for LF…Christmas shopping done before Dec. 1!
We have an abundance of pitching and pitching prospects so what could go wrong?
November 23rd, 20128:30 pm
Our farm system is already pretty weak so if we could land both Willingham and Span in a deal Wren should just pull the trigger. We’d just be giving up prospects, instead of commiting big money to a free agent who will be overpaid and losing a draft pick at the same time. The move would leave us with around 10 million to spend, so Wren could look at bullpen and bench help too, while still having leftovers for a mid season addition.
November 23rd, 20128:32 pm
Oh, and throw EOF in there… maybe right behind Maholm. JV and him are “interchangeable”, but I’d be more willing to trade Eric.
November 23rd, 20128:43 pm
im pretty excited about what Wren might do, I really dont think he wants to lose a draft choice. it would be awesome to keep our 1st rounder and add another with Bourn leaving.
November 23rd, 20128:58 pm
“Braves, Twins nearing blockbuster” Ken Rosenthong (14 minutes ago via smurf Land)
November 23rd, 20129:14 pm
still wouldnt be surprised if we end up with some kind of platoon in LF, with a CFer who is pretty low on our list. So hopefully Wren can atleast get Prado and Heyward locked up to long term deals
Is Ken Rosenthong any relation to that, Ken Rosenbooger fellow? If so, I wouldn’t trust him.
November 23rd, 20129:23 pm
Well Bobby, with so many doggon reporters out these days you just never know who’s spilling truth or bullsh@@.
November 23rd, 20129:26 pm
That is soooo true….
November 23rd, 20129:54 pm
We’ll see about that when the ones we acquire turn into Ugglas. Sigh.
November 23rd, 201210:21 pm
I would package Hanson Teheran/Delgado, Gilmartin/Spurill and Cunningham for
Span, Willingham and Doumit
I’s a lot of pitching, but we need 2 solid OF’s. and if we can sign Lohse we can afford to give up the 3rd pitcher if tha=t’s what it takes to get it done
@Joey G — I do not think that Minnesota would do it. If we can that would be great it would be a Steal with a Capital S for us I think.
I agree that I would prefer NOT to trade Minor — on the other had you have to give up something to get something. I might think more than twice on moving him too.
I do not think that highly of any of our tradable prospects. Could be wrong though.
November 23rd, 201210:24 pm
“Our farm system is already pretty weak so if we could land both Willingham and Span in a deal Wren should just pull the trigger. We’d just be giving up prospects, instead of commiting big money to a free agent who will be overpaid and losing a draft pick at the same time. The move would leave us with around 10 million to spend, so Wren could look at bullpen and bench help too, while still having leftovers for a mid season addition.”
I agree VA Brave. If FW can do it do it but it takes two to make a trade.
As said before — how do other teams think of our prospects?????? That is a good question. I really do not know.
November 23rd, 201210:27 pm
We really need the first rounder and adding one with Bourn going is a bonus.
We really really have to get the next couple of drafts right.
Outside of C Bet as a back up catcher and a couple of mid range of the rotation prospects we pretty much have zilch in the pipeline now. Zero hitting whatsoever. Unless you still have hope for Salcedo — at least publicly they still do.
November 23rd, 201210:42 pm
I think they should look at the guy in the royals system Wil Myers 37 home runs between AA /AAA
ball last year the royals are looking for some pitching to make a playoff push.
It sounds like this guy is ready for major league ball right now.
November 23rd, 201211:28 pm
Once again, do not sign Upton! He is a quitter, a loser, and he does not hustle. He will be a tall skinny Uggla! Any option is better than Upton. I live in the Tampa Bay area and I read about this guy every day. You do not want him on your team!
November 23rd, 201211:29 pm
I meant a tall, skinny Uggla at the plate. No one can accuse Uggla of not hustling!
November 23rd, 201211:35 pm
Please don’t come back again as Bubba Beans… it took a while for this to clear out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R6dm9rN6oTs#! (from “Blazing Saddles”)
Hugo Z Hackenbush
November 23rd, 201211:37 pm
Farewell to Larry Hagman, who, for some of us, will always be Tony Nelson, the luckiest astronaut of all time…
November 23rd, 201211:39 pm
If you’re Terry Ryan and FW asks for Span Willingham and Doumit, what are you going to ask for in return?
November 23rd, 201211:55 pm
Hugo: Yes, he played with Barbara Eden and Linda Gray up to this year and he had a long, very good career. RIP Larry Hagman.
November 24th, 201212:01 am
Hugo and Ken – you beat me to the Tony Nelson tribute – that’s what I get for making Thanksgiving dinner tonight…just watched Roger Healy in the Bob Newhart Show Thanksgiving Moo Goo Gai Pan episode yesterday…
November 24th, 201212:08 am
VJ: I have watched “Planes, Trains, and Automobiles” and the flying turkey episode of “WKRP” that is supposedly based in truth on a similar contest on WQXI in the ATL in the 60’s or 70’s.
November 24th, 201212:10 am
Ryan Feldman @TheRyanFeldman
The Christian Laettner Duke-UK game in 1992 Elite 8 is the only Coach K vs Rick Pitino matchup ever. Tomorrow will be the 2nd. @ESPNAndyKatz
November 24th, 201212:11 am
great tv characters Roger Healy, Cliff Clavin, Norm Peterson, Michael Scott, and for that matter half of the Office cast.
November 24th, 201212:12 am
ken – a friend pointed out to me quite a while back that the Newhart episode included a number of references to our alma mater (William & Mary)…
November 24th, 201212:15 am
never was a huge Mash fan but that show had its moments. Cheers was awesome. then Seinfeld.
george was every males biggest fear, bald, short, broke, and living at some point at home.
November 24th, 201212:16 am
Not sure why, but in thinking of great characters off the usual path, Mick Belker came to mind – brilliant portrayal by Bruce Weitz…
November 24th, 201212:20 am
Oh great I see we are back to the old Willingham crap again. I can’t believe so many of you want this guy. I really hope it doesn’t happen but I it does I will be the 1st one to say I told you so when he sucks in Atlanta and we trade away good pitching for him. I hope many of you realize they will want a ton in return.
November 24th, 201212:21 am
great character actor Bruce Mcgill. Dday from animal house.
also has been a in a ton of movies.
he played Walter Hagen, in Bagger Vance. the dude has a nice golf swing.
November 24th, 201212:23 am
Bruce McGill is in Rizzoli and Isles now – I still picture him peering out of the tank even now when i see him…
November 24th, 201212:24 am
And he is Edwin Stanton in Lincoln…
November 24th, 201212:25 am
just saw Starz canned BOSS, Kelsey said it and called it. he said there might be some outside pressure to cancel the show.
November 24th, 201212:26 am
Probably goes back to Chester and then Festus on Gunsmoke, and Ernest T. Bass on Andy Griffith. uga, Seinfield was full of off the wall characters, kinda like this blog.
BravePack – hope your boys won’t beat mine too badly Sunday – my confidence not exactly at a high point right now…
November 24th, 201212:27 am
i thought Boss was top notch, right behind Breaking Bad for me.
November 24th, 201212:30 am
well there is no replacing Barney Fife. the episode on the side car and him wearing those goggles, …
November 24th, 201212:35 am
Very sad to see Boss cancelled…
November 24th, 201212:36 am
I watched Andy and Barney today at lunch, that show never gets old.
November 24th, 201212:37 am
DOB, food review. went to the Optimist tonight on the westside.
AJC’s John Kessler loves the place. we thought it felt like a food mill.
average at best.
Empire State South is our new favorite place.
November 24th, 201212:39 am
I don’t have Starz, so I missed Boss, but I heard it was very intense.
November 24th, 201212:41 am
VJ, gotta give the guy his due as far as being type cast. total 180.
November 24th, 201212:42 am
ken, i gotta get the Wire. heard it was just behind the Soprannos.
November 24th, 201212:45 am
I don’t know what to think. Packers seem to be finding a way to win lately while not playing the best football. Giants are coming off their bye week and haven’t been playing well either. I know the Packers want to avenge last years playoff loss. It sounds like Jennings might be back for this game so we add a little more firepower on offense but Matthews already ruled out for the game. I expect a close game with hopefully the Packers coming out on top to stay atop the NFC North. Bears seem to be heading in the wrong direction lately. One thing I hope for is no more injuries as we can’t afford to lose ny more players heading into the last stretch of games before the playoffs. Need to keep Rodgers upright against the Giants D-line which will be tough.
ken, there are a ton of great Andy shows. trivia fact Gober and Gomer appeared in only one show together.
November 24th, 201212:46 am
Nobody asked, but…
My favorite animal character (in a non-starring role) was Eddie in Frasier.
November 24th, 201212:56 am
BP – cab and I do a confidence pool (just the 2 of us, no stakes except bragging rights) – I picked the Packers, she picked the Giants, but for only 1 and 2 points, respectively…
November 24th, 201212:58 am
So many good college games tomorrow, and I have a 10 hour workday – which means I will not be seeing the quasi-biggo game between the Irish and the Trojans with the cabfamily at the Colisseum…
November 24th, 20121:00 am
uga, The Wire is one of my all-time favorite shows, it’s in the Top 5 with Deadwood, Justified, The Walking Dead, and Sons of Anarchy. It has mostly the same characters every year, but the storyline is different from year to year, and it has some exceptional characters that you will never forget.
If you (or anybody) likes The Wire a lot, a show called The Corner is a kinda prequel in that it takes place in Baltimore the same as The Wire, but tells the story from the viewpoint of the people hooked on drugs…it has several of the same characters as The Wire, but it takes place a few months or years earlier. It’s very realistic and well done.
November 24th, 20121:06 am
uga, I have read that most of the actors on Andy Griffith were very close, except for the actress who played Aunt Bee…apparently she was the complete opposite of her character and a real “B” who was not pleasant to be around and didn’t socialize with any of the cast.
November 24th, 20121:10 am
well at least Floyd the barber was cool.
November 24th, 20121:11 am
asu and arizona have a good one going..
November 24th, 20121:13 am
What do the simple folk do, to help them escape when they’re blue?
November 24th, 20121:14 am
Okay, I really should go to bed and stop watching Camelot…
November 24th, 20121:16 am
I have seen it twice on stage – got to see Richard Harris and Robert Goulet as Arthur – both a bit too old at the times, but it just did not matter…would have been cool to see Burton on Broadway, but I was only 6 at the time…
November 24th, 20121:18 am
Remove one “s” at 9:58 (our time) – Coliseum…
November 24th, 20121:27 am
Long workday tomorrow – off to bed – good luck to the Dawgs, uga…
What do the simple folk do, to help them escape when they’re blue? — Venice Jim
Why don’t they go where fashion sits?
Puttin’ on the ritz
November 24th, 20121:29 am
Walkin’ like a million dollar trooper – tryin’ mighty hard to look like Gary Cooper (Gene Wilder)
(Screechily sung) Soooperr Dooooperrr… (Peter Boyle)…
November 24th, 20121:30 am
(not referencing the Taco version)…
ooops – too late…
November 24th, 20121:31 am
Pressing record button for remainder of Camelot, and away I go…
November 24th, 20121:32 am
VJ, that’s where I know the song from… “Young Frankenstein” – funny movie
November 24th, 20121:35 am
Every time someone would say, Frau Blucher, horses would whinny.
Bay Area Steve
November 24th, 20126:16 am
You and I best ball v. uga. Who wins?
And, don’t know about you, but Flange’s givin’ me at least six a side…
November 24th, 20126:19 am
How’d I manage to tick you off too, rich?
Hope you know all I was sayin’ was y’all needed to be fighters. So, ticked off or otherwise, keep fightin’.
November 24th, 20126:26 am
The Rockies’ asking price for Dexter Fowler is “absurd,” one rival executive tells Passan. It appears to be a buyers’ market for center fielders right now, though another executive warns that “it will shake out” as the offseason progresses.
The Royals have been shopping top prospect Wil Myers but only in exchange for starting pitching, reports Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan.
Medlen? Minor? Beachy? Probably not enough….
November 24th, 20126:27 am
Fully realize you didn’t mean Fran Drescher. Still: C’mon, man…
November 24th, 20126:31 am
“Probably not enough….”
We’ve got cash…. What if we took on Francoeur’s contract? Any takers? We darn sure need some help v. lefties?
November 24th, 20126:36 am
Minor, Gilmartin, for Myers, Frenchy, and Collins?
Am I even in the drunken vicinity? (My first ever trade proposal. Is the value close? Two Lhers is unlikely, but Delgado is too much…)
November 24th, 20126:55 am
I don’t think the Royals would go for that…. They need a guy to slot as a 1/2 in their rotation, I don’t think Minor is there. Medlen, may entice them though. I’m sure they’d still want a prospect like Teheran or Delgado as well. Gilmartin doesn’t do much other than add a guy who can pitch at the back-end of the rotation for a while.
November 24th, 20127:17 am
BAS – Be very leary of players with old putters.
November 24th, 20127:24 am
Big day. Bigger than a National Championship. You didn’t understand that until you moved down here, right? haha. Roll Tide!
November 24th, 20127:46 am
BAS – Sweet old Mom will be cussing Vern Lundquist, today. Sybil. I need to hide a tape and send it to you. You’d get a kick outta that. If you were to come over…
“Hi Steve, I understand your one of Tater’s friends. Like a snack? I’ve got pie. No? Cookies? No. How about a..sit down now, Steve. The ballgame’s kicked off. Vern just shut the hell up, it wasn’t Courney that made that damn tackle, it was.. STEVE, SIT DOWN!
Oh honey, you were just blocking my view. You say you wanted a cookie? Tater says, your a heck of a golfer. Well, the commercial’s over..”
November 24th, 20127:51 am
“If you’re Terry Ryan and FW asks for Span Willingham and Doumit, what are you going to ask for in return?”
I will ask for three pitchers — I want one healthy major league caliber low cost starter. That means I want either Minor or Medlen. Than I want Delgado (who is not far away from being good) and Teheran (now a 50/50 caliber prospect).
Might also squeeze out a prospect in the ower minots too. An everyday player.
Of course I’d also shop around and see what other GM;s have to offer.
I would not really like to move Minor or Medlen as a Braves fan but you have to give up something to get something. I would love for FW to move Hanson insttead.
November 24th, 20128:12 am
The girls weren’t prettier at closing time, were they?.
November 24th, 20128:18 am
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
Old buddy JUAN ABREU takes a minors offer from the DODGERS.
Lead-off CF JOSE CONSTANZA [.323 BA] 0-4, 1 SAC.
LHRP JOSE LUGO [H 3, 0.00 ERA] 0.2 IP, perfection.
JOSE continues unscored upon in 13 outings, 8.2 IP.
3B JUAN FRANCISCO [.333 BA] 1-4, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 2 SO.
RHSP RANDALL DELGADO [L 0-2, 5.74 ERA] 5.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R/ER, 2 BB, 2 SO.
Decent effort. Offense didn’t pick him up.
LHRP DUSTY HUGHES [0.00 ERA] 0.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R/ER, 1 BB, 0 SO.
1B JOSH KROEGER [.296 BA] 0-3, 1 BB, 1 SO. 1 CS .
C JOSE YEPEZ [.219 BA] 1-4, 1 RBI , 1 E [1, pick-off throw].
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.345 BA] 2-4.
LF EVAN GATTIS [.283 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR , 2 RBI , 1 BB, 1 E [2, fielding].
GATTIS shows the EAGLES the way home as they solidify their hold on the lead in the VENEZUELAN Winter League.
November 24th, 20128:26 am
It doesn’t matter how much some amateurs here think they’ll start to trade all of our “surplus” of pitching – they won’t. They aren’t trading Minor. They aren’t trading Maholm, Hudson, or Medlen. They aren’t trading our bullpen. And they aren’t trading any three of the others in a single deal. They just aren’t – no matter how much some pontificate these idiotic deals. They WILL get one of their needs through Free Agency. And Justin Upton is not going to be traded.
Believe it or not – that’s how it will be. Y’all can come tell me in April that I was right all along.
November 24th, 20128:31 am
First Thanksgiving with all the wife’s extended family, since you got married? Fun stuff, huh? That funny smell on your shirt is Aunt Matilda’s perfume. It’ll wash out. Borax.
…or, if you prefer. Wear the shirt to a smokey bar, tonight. The combination of perfume and smoke will remind you of your college days..at the gentleman’s club.
..so I’ve been told.
November 24th, 20128:36 am
Some stats on our two prospects MEJIA and El OSO BLANCO.
MEJIA tied for the league lead – 28
GATTIS 4th – 26.
MEJIA tied for the league lead – 10
GATTIS 5th – 8
MEJIA – .345 second in the league
GATTIS – .283
MEJIA – .368
GATTIS – .345
MEJIA – .600
GATTIS – .520
November 24th, 20128:51 am
See you’re tiring of all the trade scenerios floated about here.
I keep saying over and over read FRANK WREN’s lips – no new pitching with the exception of a RH wing in the pen.
As for trading our ’surplus’ of pitching for slots in the outfield, we’re an injury away from needing that ’surplus.’ DELGADO must be kept as ther back-up plan.
HANSON’s the only possible ML tested arm I can see being sent out at the moment. I don’t think he would bring back what we need in the OF.
So the alternative is DAVID HALE, ZEKE SPRUILL, AARON NORTHCRAFT, ERNESTO MEJIA……some or all of those guys for DENARD SPAN, and JOSH WILLINGHAM? I dunno’ sounds pretty thin to me.
I see a FA in CF, a resigned REED JOHNSON, and a platoon in our future in LF. Or El OSO BLANCO as a long-shot.
Believe it or not – that’s how it will be. Y’all can come tell me in April that I was right all along.
I will not argue with that Lew — I coubt that those 4 you listed will be moved.
On the other hand, what we have to trade is not going to get you one of the coveted CF guys in a trade, unless you give the other team a cholce of 3 between Hanson, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin, Spurill, etc.
In essence, filling he needs through a trade might not be likely, and there is $$$$$$$$$ for on of the FA pieces or, re-signing Micheal Bourn.
Bourn is still on the table, and a platoon FA could be had for 4 or 5 mil for LF.
I think it will take alot to get Willy, Span and Doumit in one package — we might not have the horses to trade for that big a package.
Its just fans throwing out BS, that is all, and I throw it out too. None of us really know the insides of what it takes to deal behind a MLB boardroom door,
Its fan discussion like this that adds to the value of ttems TV contracts — if we are talking — the TV revenue etc goes up and that is good for the game. We do not have to be right — the execs making the deals are the ones who have to be right.
Are the trade proposals idiotic — maybe maybe not, idiocy is in the eyes of the beholder.
November 24th, 20128:54 am
And CONSTANZA and SCHAFER vying for fifth OF’er.
November 24th, 20128:59 am
i see the platoon between Juan Francisco and the platoon player while we flip flop Prado between third and left.
Juan Francisco will be given the chance to show more of whta he might be able to do — word is he is sorking on getting in the best shapre of his life.
I actualy liked what I say from him at times last yr & he is not that bad defensively. He has that quick power bat that you just cannot coach — its a matter of harnessing that power.
November 24th, 20129:00 am
The Braves and Twins match up so well for a trade, you can bet your bottom dollar that Span or Willingham will be a Brave, it just makes too much sense not to happen. In my opinion tho I think we have a better shot at landing Span. The Twins have Revere ready to take over CF if Span is dealt. Also they’ll be getting out of the remaining contract of Span which is a team friendly deal but still (11.25 million over the next 2 seasons and a option year) They’ll be able to add the pitching they need.
Josh Willingham has been very productive in the AL the past 2 seasons. But he is 33 years old. Easily the DH has helped him stay fresh and so on. He’s actually averaged 140 games the past 2 seasons, but his NL career (And younger years) only averaged 127 games. He’s also a below average defender.
His first 5 seasons in NL he average 20 homers and 66 rbi’s while the past 2 seasons in the AL he’s averaged 32 homers and 104 rbi’s. Plus add in that he’s averaged 30 games each year as the DH. I think it’s safe to say the NL teams won’t be able to agree with the value the Twins would put on the slugger. But when you factor in his awesome cheap contract of 2 years 14 million remaining that might be enough to forget about his age and durability. Cause his difference in numbers are staggering, were talking about 12 homers and 38 rbi’s of production from the middle of the order which is the benefit of having the DH
November 24th, 20129:01 am
Schafer has real speed — 27 steals last yr — if he shows something in ST he will have a good chance to make the team.
You cannot coach that — that is what keeps him in the game.
November 24th, 20129:04 am
Va Brave — Can FW put together a good enough package to entice Ryan to trade Span and or Willingham to us.
I am not all that hot about Doumit — we can live iwth out him. But Span and WIlly is what we need.
Couldn;t Ryan do better than some of the tradable stuff we have assuming that Medlen, Minor, Hudaon and Malholm will not be moved.
Why would Minnesota want Hanson or Teheran. Even Delgado, Spurill and Gilmartin, could they not do better elsewhere?
November 24th, 20129:16 am
It really depends on which teams will show interest. Whoever misses out on Bourn and Upton will likely go after Span. But it’s not like our pitching is garbage, we have value there. But I guess since it’s been said… Were screwed I guess!
Our pitching isn’t good enough to trade for anyone cause another team can offer more. Basically every single free agent out there will be overpaid because of bidding wars and so on, also most of the good one’s will cost a draft pick as well so that doesn’t make sense for us either.
And now even players like Dexter Fowler and Peter Bourjos have higher trade prices than expected… Also Wren said he’s only interested in premium players, but BJ Upton is our main target and he’s pretty far from premium but oh he might get 15 million a season….
I mean I guess we just need to pocket the money and hand contracts out to our current players cause any kind of additions will be too costly on the farm and budget. When players like Jonny Gomes is getting 5 million a season there’s a problem, cause now Cody Ross will want 10 million, then a average player Angel Pagan think’s he so great that he can land a 4 year deal 40+ million deal, and Shane Victorino thinks it’s 2010 or something and wants a decent contract, OH yeah and 36 year old Torii Hunter actually get’s 2 years 26 million hahaha… This is the crap I’m talking about, What’s next??? Is Reed Johnson gonna sign a 2 year 10 million deal???
November 24th, 20129:25 am
I never realized that someone who hits 240 AVG with a 316 OBP on average for 4 consecutive seasons that he’s a “Premium Player”
Even a 34 year old Juan Pierre hit 307 with a 351 OBP and 37 steals. He also had 142 less strikeouts and still walked half as much as Upton did with less playing time. (this is jut for sh!ts and giggles)
November 24th, 20129:27 am
Disgusted – I wasn’t referring to you per se on that – I was actually targeting someone ele’s idiotic trade scenarios.
People need to look at the deals Wren has made in the past. Has he ever traded three pitchers to get anyone? Of course not. In fact, he tends to make trades where the other team gets somewhat fleeced. And in addition to his track record, people should pay attention to one other factor – how many starters we use in a year – it’s usually eight or ten and you just can’t trade ALL of your depth.
Now yes, some pitcher WILL be trade – of that I have no doubt. Either Hanson, Delgado, or Teheran will be dealt. Possibly Spruill or another monor leaguer, too – but not three of them and certainly NOT in a single deal. And in addition, with all those bucks available, FW will fill one of his needs through Free Agency, though I will also predict that whoever he gets, half of the bloggers will be upset.
And as to the trading from the bullpen scenarios – now THAT is absurd in the extreme. When you have a starting staff that is not going to go 8 or 9 every night and you don’t have that “ACE” everyone thinks we can’t do without despite the astronomical cost, you count on other aspects of your game to compensate – and that compensation is quite possibly the majors best bulpen and certainly the best end of bullpen in MLB. They will not break it up.
November 24th, 20129:30 am
Va Brave — the idea of handing contracts out to our important current players is the best way to spend the money that is available.
Its not like $25 mil is going to buy alot of MLB talent this day in time.
Maybe the 5 tradable pieces we have might get a Span or Fowler, depends on how the Twins or Rox percieve that list of Hanson, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin and Spurill.
Save for Tommy, our tradable pieces are in the unproven caegory, & Tommy sure has his second half warts.
I sure do not want to give 10-12 mil to a Cody Ross or Angel Pagan type at all. BJ @ 5 and 75 is not the worst thing in the world in this market thoough I have surrenderring the draft choice — crucial for this busiiness model.
FW is up to the challenge — I am sure he can figure something out. He is underappreciated in my opinion.
November 24th, 20129:33 am
Bourn is gonna get paid big bucks cause he is a premium player. He actually plays Elite Defense, has Elite Stolen Base Ability, Hits for solid AVG and OBP still while striking out a ton and still being a Legit Leadoff man.
Upton has great power and great stolen base ability, but he’s a terrible hitter and average defender who goes to the plate and doesn’t put the ball in play 25% of the time.
November 24th, 20129:37 am
I know you were not referring to me perrsonally– I never take it personal. Sorry if it came across that way.
But hey, its silly amateur GM’s like me and others who blog that promote the popularity of the game, as wrong as we can be.
If you look at Wren;s record — he finds a way to come up with something that we do not expect. And he finds a way not to move assets that he really wants to keep.
Now, Minnesota can ask for 3 or 4 pitchers but does not mean they will get them. I have been playing devils advoacte in the trade discussion cause some fans want to give up a pound of bologna for a half pount of filet mignon, you know how fan trade proposals can be.
We have to give something the other team wants to agree on — you get it, others get it, but some don’t.
And Mr Wren is doing his best — think 90 pct of us will agree to that.
November 24th, 20129:40 am
That is true — but his upside and that he is close to being a 30/30 guy will result in someone maybe us maybe not us giving him the big money.
I am still on the fence on BJ — There is good and there is not so good. For all the discussion I could not make up my mind as a wanna be GM.
Hell if we really are gonna sign a expensive Free agent who will cost a draft pick, go for Nick Swisher. He’ll likely be cheaper than BJ Upton for sure. But of course he isn’t a CFer. But the man is clearly a much better hitter than BJ. Switch Hitter with 20+ Homer power who produces 360+ OBP’s every year while playing 150 games a season. Dude can play LF, RF, 1st base, and even CF on occasion. I rather see them spend on him than on BJ Upton and his 316 OBP and 169 Strikeouts
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