10:31 am November 16, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 16th, 201210:43 am
Thanks DOB for info..good report.
David from Athens, Alabama
November 16th, 201210:52 am
Appreciate you DOB!
November 16th, 201210:57 am
Hello jbill. Good article. Too much money. Not worth it. Trade him.
November 16th, 201211:06 am
Hey DOB, nothing new to report on BJ’s visit yesterday?
November 16th, 201211:08 am
He may make big strides this year, he is still young.
Changing gears, what do you think the role will be for Pastornicky in 2013? I think he is going to be good, he just wasn’t ready to be everyday SS last year. Could see him in platoon at 3rd with Francisco. Pastor might be a Omar Infante type that could be used off the bench in both INF and Outfield.
November 16th, 201211:10 am
He’s going to be fine. He’s young and still adjusting.
I like the way they talk about his willingness to work and improve.
November 16th, 201211:17 am
Nice report “Salcey” can still be a good signing. Braves have already ponied up. Why not ride it out with him? The bat will be there. They just need to work on reducing the error issues.
November 16th, 201212:00 pm
I remember a couple of years ago when I first saw this kid, I saw exactly what the Braves saw, raw talent and a kid that could flourish into a Major League slugger. I still have faith he can do that, but I think the real test will come in 2013, when he makes that AA jump, a huge difference.
Virginia Brave Fan
November 16th, 201212:01 pm
@Joe, whoah…what? BJ Upton visited yesterday? Hope he tells his brother how great it is.
November 16th, 201212:06 pm
November 16th, 201212:07 pm
I wouldn’t get rid of Salcedo just yet. I’d give him 2013, possibly 2014, then get rid of him, if no improvement.
November 16th, 201212:10 pm
.140, a million-six, and bust wrote all over him.
November 16th, 201212:11 pm
@Joe, whoah…what? BJ Upton visited yesterday? Hope he tells his brother how great it is.
Then again, maybe he’ll pass it on what a loser mentality there is here.
November 16th, 201212:13 pm
I can’t find my keys. Any ideas?
November 16th, 201212:16 pm
“He moved full-time to third base and had a modest season at high-A Lynchburg, hitting .240 with a .295 OBP, though he did have 17 homers and 61 RBIs in 130 games. Salcedo was then sent to the Arizona Fall League to compete against many of baseball’s top prospects, including some who already had brief stints in the major leagues.
It did not go well. He finished with a league-worst .140 average and .454 OPS for the Phoenix Desert Dogs, with one homer — he hit in the last game of the season Thursday — and 22 strikeouts in 86 at-bats. Nevertheless, he said it was beneficial.”
With those numbers he’ll fit right in.
November 16th, 201212:17 pm
another Frank Wren “find”
November 16th, 201212:18 pm
Get out the metal detector, Frank, and dig a little deeper; you’ll find something eventually !
Yeah, stop looking and let your keys come to you!!
November 16th, 201212:21 pm
Yeah I heard Dan Uggla has been working with him in the offseason on his swing!
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November 16th, 201212:33 pm
[...] Laird. After losing David Ross to the Red Sox on Saturday, the Braves found thems more… Braves still waiting for Salcedo to flourish – blogs.ajc.com 11/16/2012 PHOENIX – When the Braves gave Dominican teen Edward Salcedo a [...]
November 16th, 201212:35 pm
“with one homer — he hit in the last game of the season Thursday — and 22 strikeouts in 86 at-bats. Nevertheless, he said it was beneficial.” – Edward Salcedo
Dan Uggla's Swing
November 16th, 201212:36 pm
Coach, thats not even close to true, I am still on vacation like I have been for two years!
November 16th, 201212:39 pm
Signing teenage players is always a big risk. For every one Bryce Harper, there are hundreds if not thousands of flops. I commend F. Wren for signing him. The kid has shown great promise. I don’t think anyone castrated Braves mgmt at the time they signed him; just happens that things don’t often work out for young kids who transition to the bigs. Hope he has a better 2013 season.
November 16th, 201212:48 pm
This isn’t the Braves first mistake. Salcedo’s numbers don’t impress. Prado doesn’t have anything to worry about. The Braves would be better off giving him the extra cash.
November 16th, 20121:14 pm
This would be his final year to show me he can play Pro ball. He should be hitting over .260 , be making only a few errors and he should be stealing double digit bases by now, I think the Braves made a big mistake with this one and if i was in charge of scouting I would have to really take a hard look at the scout who made such a poor evaluation.
Zac in Tempe
November 16th, 20121:16 pm
Give him time. Don’t blow your money this offseason Wren. We have some players to lock up on the roster right now. Kimbrel, Prado, Medlen, Beachy, Heyward, and Freeman are all worth more than any chump free agent available.
November 16th, 20121:17 pm
Ross earns it yet Salcedo gets it.
November 16th, 20121:19 pm
another Braves “can’t miss” phenom like Brad Komminsk, Andres Thomas, Mike Kelly, Andy Marte, Jordan Schafer …
November 16th, 20121:28 pm
This blog has become so negative I am going to something a bit more upbeat like Fox News.
I guess the saddest thing about this whole situation is that the best Braves hitter and the best position player we have had come out of our farm system was traded to the Rangers in that Tex deal… Elvis Andrus. Maybe if we trade Salcedo now we can save that kids career… Seems like forever since we’ve had someone tearing it up in the minors
November 16th, 20121:37 pm
Jerry your the real loser
November 16th, 20121:39 pm
Reading what some of you write I thought I was on a Redsox blog we did win 94
November 16th, 20121:44 pm
Sign Youkillis. Fransisco comes to spring training in good shape and we have a great platoon at 3rd.
Youk hits lefties nice, provides back up for first base, and veteran presence.
Prado stays in left, Hamilton in center and we have a much stronger lineup then last season.
Im not to worried about the overrated lead off position, Bourn had a ass of strikeouts in that role last year. The bench will be faster with Pastor, Schafer or Constanza and hopefully Reed Johnson.
November 16th, 20121:45 pm
Runner, already forgotten about Heyward and Freeman?
November 16th, 20121:46 pm
Tommy, if they sign Hamilton, they won’t have any money left to sign Youkilis.
November 16th, 20121:57 pm
We DO NOT NEED HAMILTON. WE DO NOT NEED YOUYOUKILIS. Enough already. They are ego players. Not team players.
November 16th, 20121:58 pm
“he’s worked hard to become fairly fluent in English”
How has lived here for 3 years and cannot speak the language? I was “fairly fluent” in German after living in Munich for 6 months and I did not have $1.6 million to spend on a tutor.
November 16th, 20122:00 pm
They can sign both Youk and Hamilton. Youk will cost less then 1/2 of what BJ Upton would.
This is a platoon at 3rd that could easily bring 30+ homers and close to 100RBI’s.
One of best outfields in league = Prado, Hamilton, Heyward!
November 16th, 20122:01 pm
Amber girl recess is over, get back in your class.
November 16th, 20122:14 pm
I’m interested in trying out this year. Just turned 19 a couple weeks ago.
November 16th, 20122:21 pm
No reason in the world to not continue to wait patiently for him to develop. The money’s already spent and at his age he’s still a young kid for his level in the organization.
Heyward and Freeman have been Phenoms but most organizations the prospects don’t really get it until 24 or 25 years old.
November 16th, 20122:25 pm
I think there are many Braves fans that are scared to sign a big money free agent o trade for a big money because of what happened with Derek Lowe, Nate McClouth, Kenshin Kawakami, and Dan Uggla. These people think if we were to go after Josh Hamilton that he would be a bust. The thing to realize is Hamilton is more talented than any of those other players were. We should at least kick the tires and gauge his interests. Yea I absolutely think we should go after him, he is better than B.J. Upton he is a gold glove defender with a premium bat that can steal bases. It fact he is the best 5 tool player since Ken Griffey Jr. We need to pressure the blogs and get people talking, we need to go for it.
November 16th, 20122:26 pm
But if we cant get Hamiton we will need to make a trade to try to get Justin Upton or Carlos Gonzalez
Tommy, Hamilton is expected to get at least $20 million per year. The Braves only have around $25-30 to spend after expected raises through arbitration, and they still half to fill out their bench.
November 16th, 20122:28 pm
Law daw – you’re hitting on the crux of the challenge for him. Not only is he trying to live up to Major League level news coverage when he went into rookie ball, he also had to adjust to a foreign country without the safety net of public school. You know and I know that most adult imigrants never fully grasp the language while most children do. He is right in between age wise and is also having to adjust to higher level pitching each year.
I personally saw a lot of progress in him this year and still think he’ll be our starter at 3b in 2015. Yes, revised back to years, but i’m now more confident in projecting he will make it.
Plus, if you’re a lawyer you know you’re likely smarter than 99% of people and thus quicker to learn a language. Have some empathy for a typical person.
Joe Dirte, Hamilton isn’t going to happen. Not because we wouldn’t love to have him, but because payroll will not allow it.
November 16th, 20122:31 pm
Joe Dirte, it sound like the Braves have done their due diligence and checked in on Hamilton. But with their payroll it just does not make sense for them to spend that big on one player, especially when they come with as much baggage as Hamilton.
November 16th, 20122:38 pm
Rick C – That math works perfectly if 20M each for 3 years is the number. That’s replacing Chipper and dumping Jurrjens for a rookie (Delgado/Teheran). Those figures work and come closest to the promised replacement for Chipper we’ve been promised ad nauseum for 2-3 years.
Bench – Francisco, add Gattis & Schafer(sp) & Pastornicky and resign Johnson. 1 of these guys will be playing daily and batting 8th. I wouldn’t mind any of them in 8 hole in order to secure a superstar in our cleanup slot.
Any extra money invested into arbitration inflation or contract extensions.
November 16th, 20122:39 pm
I also barely believe Hamilton will get 20M a year. The baggage is real and over the past few years we have seen teams at least start to consider these factors before crazy contracts.
@ Tommy Boggs. Hamilton will not Happen Youkilis will not happen…. Not fit for team. No recess on SATURDAY JERK…
November 16th, 20122:49 pm
Jones is gone, McCann is probably on his way out, so Martin Prado will be the new face and leader of the Braves. There is no better all around player in the Majors than Prado.Wren can not let him get away, and should raise his pay and extend his contract now.
No. 1 Braves Fan
November 16th, 20122:56 pm
Amber Girl sounds a little out of sorts today.
November 16th, 20123:09 pm
@No. 1 Braves Fan Not out of sorts,just upset with Tommy Boggs. Wants to ride something in ground that won,t happen. Also wants me to go to class on Saturday. I don’like school and I am definitely not going on SATURDAY. He needs to mind his own business.
November 16th, 20123:11 pm
Maybe in spring training Special Minor Leagure Roving 3rd Base Instructor, Chipper Jones, can work with him on his fieldin’ and throwin’ and hittin’.
November 16th, 20123:53 pm
Why all the discouraged Braves fans out there? If you can’t outspend the competition and amass the largest payroll in the majors, you ain’t tryin.
November 16th, 20123:54 pm
“Maybe in spring training Special Minor Leagure Roving 3rd Base Instructor, Chipper Jones, can work with him on his fieldin’ and throwin’ and hittin’”
It certainly won’t be read’in, rite’n and rith’matic
When Salcedo is 65 are some still going to say give him more time.
At some point results should be epected — to date he has BUST written all over him.
Most players get cut showing more than he has.
Errorward Salcedo — fairly good name heh?????
November 16th, 20123:59 pm
I’m done spendin’
November 16th, 20124:00 pm
Stop with the Teheran/Delgado nonsense!!!@
They are not equivalent at this point.
Delgado >> Teheran and Gilmartin, Spruil, etc. are a notch below that.
Trading Delgado means that are starting rotation next year (barring other moves) would be:
Medlen, Hudson, Minor, Mahom, Hanson
Beachy will not be fully back from Tommy John surgery until 2014 given the history of other pitchers returning from this injury.
Medlen has never pitched more than 130 innings in his life — now looking for 200 from the staff ace?
Hudson is 38 with a number of recent surgeries behind him
Mahom has been little more than a 500 pitcher in his career
Hanson is Hanson
The team cannot really afford to trade Delgado (who could be a staff ace in a couple of years), and Teheran and any of this other depth in pitching we throw around here will not bring back any of the players we want — not Span, and certainly not Justin Upton. Teheran regressed this year and is not doing the Braves any favor in the DR this winter if we are showcasing him.
November 16th, 20124:03 pm
Too quick to post before re-reading. My keyboard is sticking and not recording every key I hit.
are –> our
Mahom –> Maholm
November 16th, 20124:08 pm
@jim Do you think there will be a trade or is Wren going strictly Free Agents?
November 16th, 20124:14 pm
I don’t see a need to trade Delgado. We can solve all of our real problems with 1 purchase. Hamilton. He’s all we need, well + Reed Johnson.
November 16th, 20124:19 pm
Chipper will, in fact, be with the team in spring training.
November 16th, 20124:26 pm
When is everyone going to realize that Hamilton WILL NOT BE A BRAVE>
November 16th, 20124:27 pm
DOB can you explain why the Braves are so interested in BJ Upton? Besides playing CF, having speed, and being right handed. He’s a career .255 average and obp .336 with a bad attitude.
Personally, I’m going to keep saying it until the day he signs elsewhere. We have been promised a “replacement” for Chipper. Not a Cody Ross.
November 16th, 20124:30 pm
Wilson Betemit part deux
November 16th, 20124:31 pm
so it looks like salcedo is going to be yet another player wren overpaid for who turns out to be a bust. we need a gm with a golden touch. everything wren touches turns into poop.
I think it’s a stretch to deny this kid looks like a complete bust. He’s 22 years old and can’t hit A-ball pitching! That’s old, folks, to be where he is. Not looking good for Mr. Salcedo.
The Braves are going to miss David Ross. I predict McCann will be pretty much completely ineffective next year, even when he returns two months into the season. I went through the same surgery three years ago, and it took me a full year to get to the point where I had the confidence to throw a ball at full effort. Even now, I would say my shoulder strength is only 85 percent what it used to be. Hopefully McCann’s recovery will be different, but I wouldn’t count on him to do anything next season. We are going to really struggle at catcher next year, unless Bettancourt (sp?) is ready.
November 16th, 20124:35 pm
Maholm may have a .500 record but he’s been on bad teams.
November 16th, 20124:37 pm
given the uncertainty surrounding mccann, letting ross go was a blunder. those who can’t see that now will know it by next june.
November 16th, 20124:46 pm
I’ll miss Ross too. But the guy is 36 hit .256 last year and was hurt. The guy is good with the staff and good in the clubhouse. But he’s a backup and a career .238 hitter
November 16th, 20125:05 pm
Also hearing BJ Upton name a lot he did visit with Wren could be a matter of time what will happen with Bourn .
November 16th, 20125:13 pm
He was a 500 pitcher so far in his brief stint with the Braves also.
Wren has 25 million THIS YEAR to spend. A 20 million contract for 5 years to Hamilton (and that’s the low end of what it will cost in dollars and years to get him) will cost 20 million/year for the next 4 years after that. By then we will need to have money to keep Heyward, Freeman, et. al. . The payroll will still be about 100 million for the next few years, so that means 1/5 of the payroll will be invested in 1 player. We are not the Yankees or Dodgers that can afford that that kind of a contract any more since Ted retired to his ranch. The first priority for Wren should be to lock up the good players that he already has. Just because money is available, it is not a reason to spend it on B J Upton and such because that is all that is out there. I’d rather see Wren do nothing (except lock up his own players) than to do something hasty just because there is money to spend. If you go to the store with dollars in your pocket and find nothing you really want, you can either come home and go somewhere else on another day, or spend the money on some piece of junk just because you have it.
Does no one Understand
November 16th, 20125:25 pm
That the 1.6 million has already been spent. It was spend years ago. The kid is 21. The Braves can give him all the time in the world. He gets paid as a minor league player. His salary isn’t even a dent in the budget. If it takes him 3 years to “get it” he will still be a 24 year old. If he was American and didn’t get drafted he would be a junior in college. Just because a 21 year old isn’t who we hoped he would be it does not mean that he needs to be shown the door. He can work out in the minors for 3-4 more years before he even has to be on the 40 man roster. I’m glad ya’ll aren’t the GM.
November 16th, 20125:27 pm
What happened to the Denard Span rumor. I think it would be a good trade.
November 16th, 20125:52 pm
Wren is making decisions based upon the scouting reports. Maybe the Braves need a better scouting department. It would be nice to have a young, cheap, big bat like Giancarlo Stanton, who hit 37 HRs, and 30 doubles in 123 games.
They had an opportunity to draft him, but didn’t.
How is it that the Blue Jays have so much more money to spend than the Braves do? They don’t have a big time TV deal either.
November 16th, 20125:58 pm
Well Jay dont bother complaining about Wren and his moves because there are 5 or 6 people here that believe he makes the right moves. Lowe, McClouth, Kawakami, Uggla and not trading Jurrjens last year. But signing a MVP type player is a mistake and we should half @$$ it and sign players that cant hit over .260 and strike out 160+ times. Thats exactly what we need more rally killers likeMcCan and Uggla.
November 16th, 20126:05 pm
Do I think Wren will make a trade? I don’t know, possibly, but he has few bargaining chips he can afford to spend to make a big trade.
Until recently I was strongly in Wren’s camp. I’d have to say that I’m much more neutral about him right now. The aborted Delgado for Dempster trade would have been a disaster — we would have neither right now.
hit a single
November 16th, 20126:07 pm
Baseball is a tough sport. It takes special talent to conquer it. Only time will tell. Many guys don’t make it. That is why the ones that do are special. Micheal Jordan is one of the best athletes to ever live and he couldn’t conquer it.
November 16th, 20126:21 pm
I just saw where Upton is in negotians with Phillie and Atlanta. Go some where else Wren. You will get outbid. Sorry but B J Upton will be a Phillie. Put it in the bank.
November 16th, 20126:23 pm
I would offer Delgado Mycal Jones Cory Harrilchak and Uggla for Upton and Cliff Pennington.
then the line should be
B.J Upton CF
least of the east
November 16th, 20126:32 pm
Braves haven’t spent much on intl front last 2 yrs. now they have an excuse-we paid $1.6 mill for Salacedo and look at him.
when they do spend, they waste money though.
at least they didn’t spend a high draft pick or trade players for him.
aside from Joe Leonard (3rd round 2010) when have they drafted a 3B in the early rounds ? so they have to try to find guys in Latin America.
November 16th, 20127:01 pm
Upton’s numbers not that impressive from what i here Phillie’s can have him yea that out bid for Hunter Pience how did that work for them .
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November 16th, 20127:05 pm
I agree with everyone who said that Wren should 1st worry about locking up freeman, heyward, prado, beachy, kimbrel, medlen, etc…………………..
November 16th, 20127:15 pm
Get Lohse. A solid #2 or 3 guy in the rotation;steady. And for those who, for reasons unknown,believe we have enough pitching…..well, you can’t have enough pitching. Forget Hamilton. He’s a mess and finished very poorly this season and he’s not getting younger. Who wants a guy like this in the club house for the money he will cost for the idiot organization willing to shell out the cash?
November 16th, 20127:36 pm
Lots of players cannot speak English yet thrive in MLB. Stop blaming language barrier. The baseball & bat dont speak any languages…
November 16th, 20128:13 pm
Here is a better question, when are the Braves going to actually sign someone of importance? They have lost several key players, and they won’t be able to sign the type of players they have lost in Chipper, Bourn, Ross, and Hinske (hinske because of leadership). Now they try to woo a player like BJ Upton, and they will end up losing out to either the Phillies or Nats. I am a fan of this team to the end, but if you really look at it, why would anyone want to sign here?
For starters, they don’t have Chipped or Cox here anymore and guys wanted to play with, and for them. The Braves surely can’t offer the most money to a player, and all the Braves have done the past decade is choked. So again, why would any big name free agent sign here when they can sign for more money, and a better opportunity somewhere else?
November 16th, 20128:30 pm
Memo to Amber Girl: Today is Friday, you were supposed to be in school today.
Tomorrow is Saturday, you need to be ready for soccer practice.
November 16th, 20128:38 pm
A big name free agent would go where they can get the money, not where they fit in best.
Why would a free agent come play with the Braves?
Good weather, affordable place to live, low taxes, low pressure, competetive team, stable management, middle to upper third consistantly in payroll, solid young players, great city, easy flight access to all around the world, the chance to become the face of the team. Those are few that come to mind in a few seconds.
November 16th, 20128:43 pm
We need a solid #2 or 3 pitcher like we need a hole in the head. We got plenty of them.
All our pitchers are solid #2 or 3 pitchers with the exception of Maholm who is a solid #4.
November 16th, 20128:48 pm
In spite of his struggles he does seem like a good kid with a great work ethic, too bad he just cannot figure the game out.
He has to have some raw tools, the Braves were not the only team wanting him.
The process is patience trying and frustrating but that is baseball.
As long as he works, I see the org riding it out with him.
November 16th, 20128:57 pm
Christ, some of you are absolutely ridiculous. “Eww, Salcedo is already 21-years-old and he’s done nothing but suck! What a bust!” WTF is wrong with you!? Not everyone can be Mike f*%^ing Trout. Let’s give him a couple more years and then decide a verdict– until then, shut the hell up and let him play ball.
November 16th, 20129:05 pm
MEMO to Tommy Boggs. It was Friday in States not here, Mind your own business and pay ayttention and you would know that I am not in states.
November 16th, 20129:32 pm
The Braves are not interested in winning another World Series title in my lifetime so he fits perfectly into the team plans.
November 16th, 20129:36 pm
Well it is sleepy time . So from New South Wales I bid you good nite. Love You guys Go Braves!!!
November 16th, 20129:47 pm
he thing I dont understand is why pick up that option on McCann when he isn gonna be available until May at least but then say Hamilton is too expensive. Hamilton is twice the player that McCann is in terms of offensive production
November 16th, 201210:08 pm
The thing I dont understand is why pick up that option on McCann when he isn’t gonna be available until May at least but then say Hamilton is too expensive. Hamilton is twice the player that McCann is in terms of offensive production
November 16th, 201210:51 pm
Thanks for the update David. Appreciate you putting in the hours to feed my little baseball obsession during the lean months.
Sure hope Salcedo gets things worked out, both for his good and possibly for the Braves.
If I don’t see you folks until after Turkey Day … have a great Thanksgiving folks.
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