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Joey G
November 19th, 2012
2:49 pm
Alex Gordon would be a good fit. Who does KC want– Teheran/Delgado++?
Olt and Gentry would also be nice. Who does TX want?
If/when FW gives up some pitching, I think he should try to sign Kyle Lohse.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
as far as plus defender.. I’m not sure I’d add the plus.
He was better than Prado. Best LF in the game, Prado was 2. He’s hit .298 the last 2 years, in his prime, when he got it going after coming back from the minors. Meanwhile, BJ has hit about .240/.315/.430 and we still talk about his damned potential. Time for him to reach it already.
Puma
November 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Doesn’t Gordan hit lefty?
Joey G
November 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Shaun
Gordon can play CF?
tony austin
November 19th, 2012
2:54 pm
If the Braves do end up with Upton and he does as expected then I will begrudgingly admit I erred. But, if he comes over with a bad attitude, is lackadaisical, and is a selfish non-team player then I’m going to be all over him like Robert was all over Bobby. (I won’t constantly bemoan him on this blog though as I will keep a lot to myself, not everything, but a lot).
If he busts I will say I told you so. If I’m wrong, I expect his fans to tell me I told you so.
Shaun
November 19th, 2012
2:55 pm
Joey, No. My fault. That should have read “very good offensive player”
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
Teheran, Spruill, Ahmed, Cunningham for Gordon. If they want Hanson/Maholm, they can have them too. Gordon solves our LF through 2016, and will be cheaper than BJ Uptonogood. 12.5mil at the end of the contract.
Nicholas Brody
November 19th, 2012
2:59 pm
Still think Bourn is in play for the Braves to sign. Trade Hanson and Uggla to the Dodgers. Sign Cody Ross. Trade for Michael Young. Move Prado to 2nd. We’d have a great line-up with lefty-righty balance.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:02 pm
Doesn’t Gordan hit lefty?
Yes.
Rick C
November 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
Although I doubt the Braves could fit him in their payroll, I think Hamilton being LH is overblown. His career OPS against LHP is 808. Do any current Braves beat that? I seriously doubt it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Selig just approved Marlins-Jays trade saying it “represents the exercise of plausible baseball judgment on the part of both Clubs”
Lew
November 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
Only Braves -The Braves will not tradethree pitchers this winter, much less three in a single deal. Not sure why you can’t graps the concept that they use 8-10 starters every year and we just don’t have that much depth and still trade all you think will be sent packing.
Lew
November 19th, 2012
3:08 pm
Dentz is back yet again.
Joey G
November 19th, 2012
3:08 pm
TOBF
I like the trade. Wish they would take Hanson over Spruill. Gordon is a perect fit, besides being LH.
Then get Gentr for CF
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:09 pm
Do any current Braves beat that? I seriously doubt it.
Chipper and Prado were above that for last season, not career. (on career numbers, no Braves beat him). Also, Hamilton OPSd .853 against LHP last year, and slugged .520. No Braves are close to that at all.
Joey G
November 19th, 2012
3:11 pm
Lew- agrees about trading the 3 pitchers, but if you could turn around and sign Kyle Lohse, would you do it? BTW thanks for the pictures
Astral
November 19th, 2012
3:12 pm
Chipper and Prado were above that for last season, not career. (on career numbers, no Braves beat him) @TOBF
where are you getting that Chipper did not have a career average higher than that?
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:12 pm
Hello everyone! Good day be a Braves Fan as always…… I checked my sites, and nothing yet! The Hot Stove is on in about 48 minutes. Have MLBNetWork on right now, but no news.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:12 pm
Gentry is extremely light-hitting
UKUGA
November 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
The Braves’ catchers are now Lard and Laird.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
Puma
November 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Doesn’t Gordan hit lefty?
Great…here we go again. Those of you who keep saying we have too many lefties realize that if the Braves get a RH CF that it will be 4 lefties and 4 righties right? Stop with the too many lefties crap already.
LH
Freeman
Heyward
McCann
LF-Gordon ?
RH
Prado
Uggla
Simmons
CF-Upton ?
Please stop with the too left handed crap.
Shaun
November 19th, 2012
3:14 pm
I think it would have been a mistake for Selig to overturn the trade. If it were any other team than the Marlins, folks would probably be talking about how savvy the trade was on their part to clean their slate and start over. Of course I don’t think it was a good thing but I don’t see how a trade can be overturned unless it is blatantly unfair or shady. But one could argue that this trade puts the Marlins in a good position for the future. It’s just a matter of whether they are building towards anything or whether their owner is just trying to pocket cash. It may very well be the latter but I’m not sure it’s Bud Selig’s place to read in to their intentions. If Selig and MLB want to do something, they should have insisted the Marlins fund at least a portion of their own ballpark or they should make arrangements for them to move.
UKUGA
November 19th, 2012
3:14 pm
The Jays-Malins trade approved for “baseball reasons.”
Arkansas Transplant
November 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
Gordon is barely a career .300obp guy against lefties.. do we really want to add that to what we already do against left handers? I hope we stay away from any left handers that has such a dramatic swing versuses righties.
Gary O.
November 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
ncbravesfan90, TP,
They could do what N8 suggested. Put Uggla at leadoff, since he has a good OBP, and is a decent base runner
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
True, Astral… Chipper is .947
Arkansas Transplant
November 19th, 2012
3:16 pm
Gentry is extremely light-hitting
That’s not exactly an issue when they are hitting from the leadoff spot.
Lew
November 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
Joey G – You’re welcome.
With the prices we’re beginning to seebringing the reality of today’s salaries into focus, I’m not seeing where we have the money available to pick up the two outfielders and still get a good pitcher. To me, it’s just totally unrealistic.
I realize that OnlyBraves will propose a scenario that requires moving Hanson, Uggla, O’Flaherty and everyone else he doesn’t like making $3 mil or more or come up with a four way trade that moves pieces like a chess master, but realistically, I think we can expect an outfielder making $15 mil or more a year, trade for a somewhat cheaper option to fill the other outfield spot and fill bench and bullpen openings without trading half of the current team or the entire farm system.
Most here will gripe and complain no matter who is signed, how much they are paid and how long they are signed for. The more drama oriented will clim we’re hamstrung finalncially for decades to come, have no hope of building up the farm system or ever being able to win more than 75 games in the next twenty years.
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:19 pm
Victorino, is talking with the Dodgers on a 3 year contract. It looks like he could end up a Dodger, unless they decide not to go through with it.
Puma
November 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
BravePack(FreeFan) – easy dude, just a question. Also, not only matter of number of LH and RH, you have to look at where guys are hitting in the order. Only RH we have right now who hits middle of the order, to break up Heyward, McCann and Freeman is Uggla. So yes, being too left handed is not “crap” it is a concern. It is not a deal breaker, but it is something to consider when you think about how teams match up against our batting order. Also, see Braves winning % vs left handers and vs. right handers.
Arkansas Transplant
November 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Victorino to the Dodgers would be a blessing.. I want no part of him on the Braves roster.
Hillbilly
November 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Who is ready to take untapped potential, change of scenery, gravy, and serviceable defense and give him the largest contract on the team? I know I am.
I have nothing against BJ Upton, but under this circumstance with all of the tradeable pitching depth available, “The price is WROOOONG B####.”
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 19th, 2012
3:22 pm
Who are the best reporters to follow on twitter for breaking signings and trades?
Gary O.
November 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
I think a realistic expectation of BJ is to get back to his career numbers. .255 avg, .336 OBP, .422 Slg, .758 OPS.
One concern is he does not hit lefties particularly well, and isn’t that one of the things we are looking for? His career numbers against LHP are:
238/.322/.470/.792
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
Those that think Braves will trade with KC, you are most likey dreaming. Haven’t heard anything on that. Just Twins, and Rockies if siginings don’t go well.
Hillbilly
November 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
Shaun, @ 3:14
Now THAT I agree with. Good post.
Rick C
November 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
BravePack(Free Fan), I would just follow mlbtraderumor.com’s twitter feed. They also have feeds exclusively for each team. They pick up major updates pretty quickly.
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:28 pm
So expect a trade if signings don’t go well, but by reports out there. The talk with B.J. Upton went well, and we will see.
Shaun
November 19th, 2012
3:30 pm
Arkansas Transplant, I think Gordon is so good against righties and so good defensively, if you could acquire him in a favorable deal, you jump at the chance, even with any deficiencies against lefties. The only exception is maybe if you have 5-6 lefty hitters with noticeable platoon splits or something. But there is no such thing as a perfect player. If a player can provide the value you need at a reasonable cost for you, that’s what’s important.
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
New blog……………..
Rick C
November 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
Gary O, I think you are looking at BJ’s 2012 splits. He’s hit RHP and LHP fairly even over his career. 253/324/418 against RHP, 260/365/433 against LHP.
BravoMan
November 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
Gary O.,
You wouldn’t by chance be Gary Oldman would you?
If so I loved your performance in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
Joey G
November 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
Ward— The Rockies trade talk is regarding Fowler, I would assume? What about Tim Wheeler?
tony austin
November 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Who are the best reporters to follow on twitter for breaking signings and trades? – BravePack(FreeFan)
Ken Rosenthal (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal) and Jon Morosi (https://twitter.com/jonmorosi) seem to be pretty quick to the draw also.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
wait, so I’m Dentz now?
Astral
November 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
Morosi has broken a number of stories over the last few years
Astral
November 19th, 2012
3:43 pm
no TBOF, somehow the wrong quote was put up again. I was trying to address BravePack as in the 3:32 post
BravoMan
November 19th, 2012
3:44 pm
“What about Tim Wheeler?”
He was the theme of last year’s offseason on this blog. I like the idea of signing a proven veteran in CF and acquiring a young controllable OF to play LF. Wheeler had some serious power potential from what I recall.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
ah ok… was confused for a sec
. He’s hit RHP and LHP fairly even over his career. 253/324/418 against RHP, 260/365/433 against LHP.
.433 SLG against lefties isn’t that great. Even his numbers against RHP isn’t good either. Uggla and Mac (both of whom I’m sure we can agree aren’t lefty mashers) slug about .433 against lefties.
Ward
November 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
New blog is up by Carroll…………………it’s talks aobut the latest….
Carroll Rogers
November 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ward, thanks for doing my dirtywork. had a little delayed reaction working today. new blog is up….
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/11/19/braves-target-upton-while-weighing-other-cf-options/
Mountain Braves Fan
November 19th, 2012
3:59 pm
ncscoots–Better hope he (Victorino) was hurt and nobody knew it. When I watched him, his bat looked awfully, awfully slow. One doesn’t normally recover from that kind of “aberration”, at his age.
Let’s look at some Post All Star Game stats:
Player A–267 AB, 36 R, 2 HR, 25 RBI, 37 BB, 81 K, 17 SB, .225 AVG, .325 OBP, .311 SLG, .636 OPS.
Player B–264 AB, 40 R, 3 HR, 18 RBI, 22 BB, 38 K, 20 SB, .269 AVG, .333 OBP, .402 SLG, .735 OPS.
Player A is Michael Bourn. Player B is Shane Victorino. Did Bourn’s bat look slow, too? Must have, since Victorino’s OPS was 99 points higher than Bourn’s the second half. Since Victorino’s career OPS is .770, I think he mostly recovered from the “aberration” the second half of the 2012 season (.735 OPS). And Victorino is the kind of player who will be working his tail off this off season to prove to everyone that 2012 was an aberration.
ncgary
November 19th, 2012
5:44 pm
well i know ive been all over the spectrum of who i want to see play in atlanta,
but if we are putting all the chips in i agree with brian, lets do what it takes to get stanton. teahran salcedo and ahmed should be close to fair value
Couch Tater
November 19th, 2012
5:48 pm
New blog ahead.
Watching Fargo as I type, I’ll use those character’s voices, as I read the new comment section. Should be entertaining. You betcha.
old man
November 21st, 2012
9:09 am
All caps = ignore me.
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