9:32 pm November 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 18th, 20124:04 pm
yeah he shouldn’t get to Bat, but so far he has
ColoradoBravesFan, McCann hasnt been one of the top 2 or 3 catchers in baseball since 2010. He’s struggled the past two years.
Paying McCann $12 mil in 2012, based on his 2010 and prior seasons, wasnt a wise decision.
I don’t think picking up McCann’s option this year indicates they intend to resign him next year. They still just figure to need his offense mid and late season in ‘13 is all I see.
He would be worth it if he produced those numbers, but you have to commit to him being a everyday player to begin with to pay him 8+ million a season. Wren can’t pay him that if they view him as a platoon partner. You pay em that money and run him out there 140+ times. Also have to figure out if they view him as a LFer or CFer, I’m sure it would be LF tho. Then we could trade for Span I guess. But hopefully Cody Ross isn’t in our plans….
November 18th, 20124:06 pm
stuff it Dentz
November 18th, 20124:08 pm
I think I’d rather see
November 18th, 20124:09 pm
The Braves picked up McCann’s option because they need offense in 2013. The Braves pitching was good in 2012, Really good during the second half of the season. The Braves offensive was really weak after the all-star break in 2012.
With Jones and Bourn gone, the Braves needed to pick up Macs option because he is/was one of the top 2 or 3 hitting catchers in the league, and the Braves had no one ready to step in at catcher and take over.
I think McCann will put p good numbers in 2013 and then get a big payday from the Yankees or Red Sox in 2014. Braves offer Mac the “qualifying offer” in 14, sy thanks and take the first round draft pick. Braves should really try to get a stud LFer this year or next to help replace Macs offense when he leaves.
November 18th, 20124:10 pm
I noticed a bunch of his comments were deleted earlier. He’s still using the same name, somehow.
November 18th, 20124:12 pm
stuff it Dentz — SNEAKY PETE
He’s suffering, today. The Browns just took the lead back from his Cowboys. Only about 1 minute left to play.
Heath, totally agree with your 4:00pm post.
We can pay payroll dollars in other areas to compensate for letting McCann go after 2013.
November 18th, 20124:13 pm
Yeah but Swisher is likely gonna cost around 3 years 33 to 40 million and we’ll lose a draft pick.
November 18th, 20124:16 pm
Bethancourt doesn’t have to duplicate McCann’s offensive prowess to be a successfull MLB Catcher…especially if we lock up Freeman, Heyward, Prado, Simmons proves to be adequate at SS, and we get decent offensive-minded guys in LF and CF.
Heath — That would be too much to expect sure, but he has to hit minor league pitching some.
He might hit .230 but he better be a real standout with the glove to be a regular.
Swisher and his total cost (including draft pick) and years or Upton and his cost and years?
November 18th, 20124:24 pm
If the Royals really think they can contend this year with some pitching… could be another team worth calling as we’ve discussed today. Which of our pitchers would they want and that we’d be willing to give up. Lots of options for Braves.
November 18th, 20124:32 pm
1. Trade Uggla and Hanson to the Dodgers for a bag of balls and some foul line chalk.
2. Re-sign Michael Bourn for 6 years, $90 mil.
3. Sign Cody Ross for 3 years, $25 mil
4. Trade Teheran or Delgado for Michael Young, along with the Rangers eating a significant part of Youngs $16 mil 2013 salary.
I could live with that line-up.
How’s the Royals middle IF? Maholm may appeal to them… maube they take a chance on Hanson… Spruill, Gilmartin, Delgado all available. Teheran as well if theyd give us Myers.
Call Texas on Olt… he isnt totally untouchable. Good young RH power bat we’d have for 6 years. Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Olt, Prado, and our pitching is quite a nice young core to build upon.
November 18th, 20124:33 pm
November 18th, 20124:34 pm
That’s like asking if you want your fingernails removed with a flat had or phillips.
Who is this Brody jerk???
November 18th, 20124:35 pm
I’d go with Swisher if I had to choose one.
Nick’s likely gonna get a 3 or 4 year deal. Salary around 11 to 14 million a season. I wouldn’t go no more than 3 years and 39 million tho.
That 5/75 figure for Upton is kinda silly to me. I really don’t see him getting that, but he will get 5 years. But under no circumstances should anyone pay him 15 million a season, I understand teams are gonna bid and fight for him but come on…. Use some common sense. He’s not Michael Bourn who is a dynamic lead off man which will be in high demand. BJ is a guy you’d like to bat 6th or 7th. Provide 20+ HR power and 30+ SBc with average D in CF, but he’s only been hitting 240 with a 320 OBP, and that “potential” which is running out of time can’t be worth but so much. I’d give 5 years 50 million but that would be about it.
November 18th, 20124:38 pm
Swisher or BJ???? umm, neither
November 18th, 20124:40 pm
Brody is Dentz TOBF. He has somehow managed to stay on here even though some of his earlier posts were deleted.
Don’t pay much attention to him, he is about as baseball ignorant as Mitchell. One has got to feel sorry for someone who has nothing better to do in his life than to come on here, pontificate like he actually knows something about baseball though what he says almost never happens, and tries to fool strangers about who he is.
November 18th, 20124:41 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, agree with your 4:38pm post. I’d rather see the Braves overpay for Bourn.
November 18th, 20124:51 pm
The 5 yrs/$75M figure bandied about for both Upton and Bourn might be accurate for Upton, but Bourn and agent Boras are asking for a bigger contract than that, more dollars than that.
I wouldn’t pay Bourn that sort of money, and I think he’s more deserving of a bigger contract than Upton.
November 18th, 20124:53 pm
even if he had a clue about baseball, Brody/Dentz would still be an obnoxious moron
November 18th, 20124:55 pm
even if he had a clue about baseball, Brody/Dentz would still be an obnoxious moron — Astral
Well… he’s a happy, obnoxious moron, too. His Boys just won in OT.
November 18th, 20125:00 pm
ok so he is a happy ignorant blowhard
November 18th, 20125:03 pm
Yup… the win should give him a little more time, here, before he goes berserk.
“Bobby H, the Cowboys played about as bad as a team could play in the 1st half.”
Again. As a Chiefs fan, what the Cowboys did in the first half of that games isn’t even CLOSE to “as bad as a team could play”……
November 18th, 20125:04 pm
Tough year, N8? Too bad, I thought they’d be a better team this year.
November 18th, 20125:09 pm
I’m not sure why I thought I needed a “?” after “tough year, N8″. At 1-9, there’s not very much to question about what kind of a season they’re having.
If I were a gm, I’d give 4/42 for Bourn max… 5/48 for BJ Upton. Guess I wouldn’t get either guy. Got no problem with that though. I can get equally good if not better via trade.
November 18th, 20125:12 pm
if KC is loking to trade offense, how about Moustakes(sp) ?
November 18th, 20125:20 pm
I’m not sure what everybody seems to see in Moustakas, he has not hit well at all so far in his first two seasons
November 18th, 20125:23 pm
I think it’s just the name, Moustakas. It’s fun to say; Moustakas, Moustakas, Moustakas…
November 18th, 20125:54 pm
November 18th, 2012
If Cody Ross gets an everyday job somewhere outta Boston he’ll likely be a 265/325/425 guy with 12-16 HR, that is not worth 8 million a year.
Couldn’t agree more, the most I’d pay Cody Ross is 5 million a year and try not to go over 2 years.
November 18th, 20126:00 pm
I want OSCAR TAVARAS . Somebody make the CARDINALS give him up.
November 18th, 20126:05 pm
How close is the grandkid, richbrave? Another few months of seasoning?
November 18th, 20126:06 pm
Moustakas has not done poorly but Billy Butler fits our needs better
Sign Pagan 3yr/$27mil
Trade Hanson, Delgado and Salcedo for Aramis Ramirez
Sign Juan Rivera 1yr/$1.5mil
Sign Matt Capps 1yr/$2.5
November 18th, 20126:08 pm
For 5 years/$75 million, I would sign Bourn over Upton. Trouble is Bourn’s market and Boras determination to hold out for the max. Braves do not need to be left waiting for Bourn watching other options go
November 18th, 20126:10 pm
Jon Jay instead of Taveras….
For 5 years/$75 million, I would sign Bourn over Upton.
Agree. But I’d rather not give that amount to either…
November 18th, 20126:11 pm
November 18th, 2012
Good hitter, but not sure he’s capable of even being decent in LF, purely a DH
November 18th, 20126:16 pm
I’m not going to act like I’m some sort of baseball expert who is a pro analyst of every player around the bigs because I’m not. I do know though that players like Upton, just judging by his career numbers and what I read here, might be a mistake. A costly one if Wren pays what I am reading they want. But I do see the attraction as he still has promise in him and a new team, fresh start, might fully bring that out.
Let’s be honest, who else out there in FA can we a) afford or b) is so much better for what this teams needs are?
This is gonna get interesting I believe.
November 18th, 20126:18 pm
There is a 90% chance Justin Upton, one of the most prized trade targets this offseason, will still be with Arizona when Spring Training opens, a Diamondbacks person tells Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. GM Kevin Towers, however, is still willing to listen to offers for the two-time All-Star.
Big mistake!!! You know you want Maholm, EOF, and Ahmed for him… or Cabrera from the Tribe… please!!!
November 18th, 20126:21 pm
Wren has to get a leadoff hitter. Parra from ARZ maybe or Victorino is another one who could come cheap and pay off for you.
November 18th, 20126:27 pm
Heyman is full of it and a mouth piece for agents especially Boras. Upton is on the block and everyone knows it.
Justin is basically the only guy they dangle out there each off season and sooner or later the kid is going to demand a trade.
The Braves are looking make no mistake. He may be plan B if BJ Upton passes on their offer.
November 18th, 20126:34 pm
Bobby H…. it has been a tough year, but once you pass week 8 or 9 and are clearly out of it….. you almost hope for losses to get a higher draft pick.
That being said, unless Scott Pioli and Romeo get fired, I couldn’t care less how high the draft pick is. If it’s Pioli making the pick, it wouldn’t matter if they had the first 5 overall picks in the draft……. he’s STILL get it wrong.
Since taking over, he’s given up a 2nd round pick for Cassel (and signed him to a huge extention before he ever took a snap in KC), used his first 1st round pick on Tyson Jackson at #3 overall and another 1st round pick on Jonathan Baldwin. Traded Tony Gonzalez (who did want out), allowed Brandon Carr to walk away, and to replace him signed Stanford Routt (who was released after 8 games – not just bad enough to be benched, used as a nickel-back or special teams player….. RELEASED).
He didn’t sign a backup center with experience, so when Rodney Hudson went down for the year, they moved Lilja to center (hadn’t played center since highschool), and now with Lilja down, signed some jackass off the street… who ALSO hadn’t taken a snap at center in like 3 years.
I’ll stop there. I could keep going.
Falcons fans should be thankful that they hired the RIGHT guy from the Patriots, rather than the guy everybody assumed was the mastermind. NOT ONE SOUL in the NFL thought the Chiefs hiring Pioli was anything short of brilliant.
He’s terrible. Absolutely worthless. My dad doesn’ watch football and I think he might be better at the job. If he still has a job after this season (should have been fired weeks ago), then Clark Hunt is just as worthless as an owner.
Oh yeah… they’ve been about 30 million below the cap the past two years. So, actually it’s been a tough 3 or 4 years.
I never thought I would pine for the day that Herm Edwards was still my coach. But I do.
The ONLY guys on the team worth a damn, are all holdovers from the Herm/Carl Peterson drafts.
Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Albert, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali.
Only Eric Berry and Justin Houston have amounted to anything since Pioli was in charge of the draft.
November 18th, 20126:36 pm
Yup. Apparently I couldn’t “stop there” and not only “could” keep going…. but did. LOL.
November 18th, 20126:43 pm
From what you said, I guess having Scott Pioli and Romeo get fired, is another reason to keep hoping for losses.
BTW, funny 6:36 comment.
Since taking over, he’s given up a 2nd round pick for Cassel (and signed him to a huge extention before he ever took a snap in KC),
Really was surprised by that. Quite hasty.
Traded Tony Gonzalez (
Glad he did. Great trade!
November 18th, 20126:49 pm
November 18th, 20127:12 pm
Moustakas has not done poorly brian
I’d call what he has done so far kind of poor. OPS around 700, OPS+ of 90. not the third base figures one would want to trade a lot for , though he is still young
much of those minor league numbers were put up in good hitters parks IIRC
November 18th, 20127:14 pm
Justin is basically the only guy they dangle out there each off season and sooner or later the kid is going to demand a trade. Ozzie
he can demand one all he wants, doesn’t mean he’ll get one
November 18th, 20127:15 pm
Good nite blog
Please no BJ.
November 18th, 20127:18 pm
N8 — You are right that Falcon fans are lucky to have hired the right guy in Dimitroff from New England.
And Mike Smith is no longer “Mike Who?” That wore off his first yr here.
Its only a matter of time the Falcons have some playoff success.
9-1 is 9-1, who cares about what the New York and ESPN pundits say — the respect will come with a good post season run.
I am not sure the SB is in the cards this yr but its doable.
November 18th, 20127:23 pm
Moustakis is young and did have 55 Extra Base hits last season. 20 of them HRS.
Even with the low average & OBP, with that kind of power GM’s will take a second look.
There is room for improvement — if the Braves got him I would not object depending on the deal.
I don’t know how good a fielder he is.
November 18th, 20127:27 pm
Braves will sign BJ, the blog will blow up …. but really, if you’re Frank Wren, there’s no winning with the people on this blog. If Braves don’t sign him and Phillies do, half the blog will say, “See, they want to win more than we do” … If the Braves do sign him, it will be, “What an awful, panic move.” … When in truth, no one knows what kind of move it will be until they play the season.
November 18th, 20127:28 pm
he hit 55 extra base hits and his slugging % was just 412, that shows there are a lot of other things that he is not doing. Homers pale in comparison to OBP in importance, Year after year the teams with the better OBP score the most runs, that is not true to the same degree about homers
November 18th, 20127:29 pm
I’m pretty certain that Wren has no interest in winning with this blog. He will do what he thinks best no matter what we say
November 18th, 20127:32 pm
Sneaky, you are right, of course. That was meant more as an observation of the blog mentality (”I played baseball in high school! I would be a better GM than Frank Wren!”) than of actual reality.
I’m pretty certain that Wren has no interest in winning with this blog. He will do what he thinks best no matter what we say — SNEAKY PETE
Considering I believe there’s NOTHING that Wren could do to win with this blog… I’m gonna agree with you.
November 18th, 20127:34 pm
well you are sure right about that Luman
November 18th, 20127:39 pm
Wren better do what he thinks is right — And I am sure that he is not taking advice from anyone on this blog thank God.
Actually Bobby H, there are some who do respect Mr. Wren even if they might not always like every move he makes. I am one of them.
I think FW and Fredi have both done a good job. A championship would make it great but overall they have been solid. The team matters.
November 18th, 20127:42 pm
Actually Bobby H, there are some who do respect Mr. Wren even if they might not always like every move he makes. I am one of them. — Disgusted
I’m with you. I think, considering the payroll constraints, he’s done a GREAT job.
November 18th, 20127:45 pm
Like Frenchy Moustakis is not a guy that is going to draw alot of walks.
I have not seen him at all so all I know is his stat line. If I saw him day to day could have a more informed opinion.
He is young enough to improve on the OBP, with the line of 34 doubles, a triple, 20 HR and 73 RBI there is something there.
The.412 slugging percentage does not faze me hey, look at what Uggla’s slug pctg was at the end of the yr and he had a high OPB. His slugging pctg fell below .400 for a time not sure what he wound up with.
November 18th, 20127:47 pm
How do you feel about Fredi Bobby H?
I think he gets maligned for unnecessary reasons here — its so easy to second guess.
Not saying that I agree with all his moves but managers make situational moves for a reason and sometimes there is information behind closed doors that we are not privvy to.
I think he is pretty solid.
November 18th, 20127:50 pm
I think FW and Fredi have both done a good job. A championship would make it great but overall they have been solid. The team matters
As much as I hate to admit it they must have done something right to acieve 94 wins.
November 18th, 20127:53 pm
About Fredi? He seems to be a very nice person. His first year here, there were plenty of close games, plus a myriad of extra-inning games. To me, that allows for Monday morning QB’s 2ND guesses all the time.
I’d like to know how the players feel about him… do they like him, do they respect him? That kind of thing.
Don Sutton said, last year, “Fredi’s a type of manager that I’d want to play for!
If that’s the way the Braves’ players feel, then he’s the man to manage, here, for a long time, IMO.
November 18th, 20128:01 pm
Derek Dooley fired as TN head coach
DOB: “The 5 yrs/$75M figure bandied about for both Upton and Bourn might be accurate for Upton, but Bourn and agent Boras are asking for a bigger contract than that, more dollars than that.”
I seem to recall that about 3 weeks ago I said he would be wanting 5 or 6 times 20.
November 18th, 20128:03 pm
Span is by far the second best fielding CFer in MLB. Whether you are looking up from the pack, or down from Bourn. Certainly the best fielding CFer we are looking at as an option.
November 18th, 20128:11 pm
I see all the pluses and minuses with BJ, and on balance I would pay him the big bucks. But his real value is as a CFer–he puts up offensive numbers (sort of) and has the potential to put up numbers (we would hope) that you normally don’t get from a CFer.
But for the Braves, we don’t have an IFer giving us a prototypical lead off batter, and if we put BJ in LF, we lose some of that CFer value he brings (as a hitter, not a fielder), and if we keep in BJ in CF and bring in a lead off guy in LF, we likely don’t get the overall power input we were hoping from the two outfield acquisitions.
So BJ presents sort of a “fit” problem for our ball club, because he’s not going to lead off.
Maybe the closest overall fit would be BJ in CF and Gordon in LF. A lead off bat, some pop at both positions, good glove in left, OK in CF, etc.
November 18th, 20128:19 pm
VaBravesFan: Cody Ross “can hit LH pitching.”
That’s like saying Kaley Cuoco is a woman.
You sort of lost credibility with me on that comment.
November 18th, 20128:21 pm
If Wil Meyer can be got, I would seriously think about that, and just plug him into CF.
Check his AA and AAA stats last year. He’s ready.
November 18th, 20128:25 pm
Cody Ross would be a nice veteran LF presence if you had Meyers in CF.
One nice thing about Cody, if he just struggles against righties, you can platoon him, and you know he is going to crush lefties. So he sort of has a built in insurance policy.
That was my prediction for the offseason additions when we made them weeks ago. Upton in CF and Gordon in LF. It’s a balanced line up and has many ways to set it up based on who’s hot and who’s not. Capable if scoring a lot if runs.
November 18th, 20128:26 pm
Just to repeat, go out on a limb if you can get Meyers. He’s as close to automatic as you can get with a rookie.
November 18th, 20128:32 pm
,,A team like the Dodgers would love to have Tommy Hanson. Make them take Dan Uggla’s contract…and then use the savings from both contracts to get another bat.
November 18th, 20128:33 pm
Myers is about as close to being an untouchable, as there is in the ML. May cost the entire Gwinnett team and 1/2 of Mississippi.
November 18th, 20128:47 pm
I was doing alot “RH power bat” comments and just happened to put LH pitching, oh well.
November 18th, 20128:52 pm
November 18th, 2012
“……How close is the grandkid, richbrave? Another few months of seasoning?……”
Basketball at the moment. he signed with VIRGINIA wednesday.
I’m pretty sure Wren has atleast gauged interest in Uggla to see how much salary they’d be willing to take on. After all it’s only 3 years 39 million, look at the past couple big trades involving high paid veterans with the Red Sox and Marlins.
November 18th, 20128:55 pm
November 18th, 2012
“….Sneaky, you are right, of course. That was meant more as an observation of the blog mentality (”I played baseball in high school! I would be a better GM than Frank Wren!”) than of actual reality….”
Sounds like a couple of parents on travel teams of my grandson while reminiscing about the UPTONS from prior years.
No kidding? Two-sport star, I see. Excellent!
I hope he stays away from football – we don’t want to see him get injured.
November 18th, 20128:57 pm
According to mlbtraderumors.com, the royals are even listening on wil Myers. I assume they would want minor, Medlen or Beachy for him which is a huge price to pay for a prospect
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November 18th, 20129:00 pm
Wil Myers might be a great top prospect but he isn’t landing them a top starter byhimself. The Royals would have to make a package headlined by Myers to land someone like James Shields for example. That’s how it works.
November 18th, 20129:04 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.277 BA] 3-3, 1 CS  top of the sixth.
Dang, TODD breaks bad with the stick.
RF JOSH KROEGER [.269 BA] 1-2, 3 BB, 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.326 BA] 2-5, 1 R, 1 HR , 2 RBI , 1 SO.
November 18th, 20129:07 pm
Have the Braves ever tried, Ernesto Mejia, at another position besides 1B?
November 18th, 20129:14 pm
Would the braves dangle one of minor, Medlen,or Beachy for a package led by Myers
November 18th, 20129:25 pm
I’m not quite understanding you. Are you saying that a team wouldn’t want Wil Myers w/o a package accompanying him? I believe it would take a package to GET Myers… and a very good one, too.
November 18th, 20129:28 pm
what about Minor or Beachy + Delgado or Teheran for Myers and Gordon. I do believe that Myers has played some CF, though Im not sure how much or how well. There’s no one else other than those 2 that I’d take. If they’re trading Myers alone, they’d only get Delgado orr Teheran. Gordon is more valuable.
November 18th, 20129:30 pm
Too bad Beachy is rehabbing his arm all yr and won;t pitch till ‘14, he would be a nice centerpiece for a deal like that. But he is ou for 13 so its a no go for a gy like Myers.
Myers is one of the few guys I’d talk about for a Medlen or Minor.
November 18th, 20129:33 pm
What are you talking about, Disgusted? Beachy will be back around the AS break… maybe in June.
November 18th, 20129:38 pm
We lack a top starter the Royals would consider trading Myers for. We would likely have to offer Mike Minor plus another starter like Gilmartin or Graham. Both teams would really be rolling the dice with a move like this but Wren should atleast check in on it.
November 18th, 20129:41 pm
“Braves,Upton agree on 5-year, $80.5 M contract.” Ken Rosenbooger
November 18th, 20129:43 pm
November 18th, 20129:45 pm
Myers plays primarily CF.
November 18th, 20129:53 pm
Myers plays CF…. ooooh baby!!! Take him and Gordon
Wonder if Maholm, Minor/Delgado/Teheran gets us talking for Myers. Be fine with Gordon too though… They may be looking to move him instead. Theyd have Cain, Dyson, and Myers left.
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