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nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
so tying up a mediocre underacheiver for an even longer time is now a good thang? well hell why didn’t sumbody tell me that B4?
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
Murph
November 16th, 2012
4:12 pm
I just listened to the Shanks/Wren interview… not sure who was posting recaps yesterday, but my impressions were:
So, to those of you (myself included) who were all happy that Wren had talked to Hamilton’s people, you can go ahead and turn on the frown, ’cause he ain’t gonna happen.
Buzzkill…killjoy…cockblocker…thanks Murph.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
it is MOST VALUABLE, not BEST SEASON……
Jeff R
November 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
Wren on Laird: “Gerald gives us a proven Major League veteran behind the plate. He was high on our list of off-season goals and we are fortunate to acquire a catcher with his level of experience, not only in the regular season, but also in the postseason.”
Let’s interpret: “We had thought that we could sign Ross to a modest one-year deal, but we were caught totally off-guard when he informed us that he was signing a lucrative two-year contract with the Red Sox. We scrambled to lock up Laird because he was the best available backup catcher on the market. Getting stuck with Boscan as McCann’s backup would have been downright embarrassing and hard to explain to fans – for what that’s worth.”
Murph
November 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
Yeah nolie, I was really disappointed when I heard Wren talk about Hamilton. Based on what was posted yesterday I thought they had several conversations about Hamilton specifically, but it sounds more like Wren happened to mention his name while talking about other players. Not nearly as positive as we were led to believe.
DS1
November 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
My thoughts on BJ Upton. No doubt he has not lived up to expectations in Tampa. No doubt he has a lot of potential as a RH hitter, if he could get his numbers a little closer to his first couple of years.
But defensively, I certainly hope he is not being counted on to be the CF’er. If he gets signed, I’d hope it would be with the understanding that he would be the LF’er. Go out and get a Span, Fowler or heck, even Bourjos to patrol CF.
And then hope and pray that Bossman Junior can learn how to take a few more walks.
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
What are the interleague records the last 5-10 years? AL vs. NL? Does anyone have those – or can tell me where they are available?
Jeff R
November 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
Hamilton = Trouble. Trouble means a need for Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil isn’t cheap. Hammy needs to park his troubles somewhere else other than Atlanta (unless he’s visiting).
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
I will say that I was surprised to see Olney and Rosenthal pick Trout as the MVP
Rosenthal is so short, it makes him afraid of Brian Kenney, who always appears to be just short of foaming at the mouth. Buster, who knows? I kinda like Buster, so I can give him a pass. Maybe he was just tired of being lumped together with writers.
Jeff R
November 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
DS1, I’d prefer Span or Fowler to Upton.
Shaun
November 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
Gary O., But I’d probably go Upton, given the Braves’ situation. They don’t have any centerfielders coming up and Pagan is likely to perform like a 4th outfielder by the middle or end of such a contract. But I wouldn’t be opposed to Pagan. If they are overpaying Pagan but they are paying Upton appropriately, I’d probably go Upton.
Disgusted, the Tigers probably don’t get to the postseason without Verlander either. That doesn’t make a player an MVP. It’s impossible for one player alone to be the reason his team made the postseason. A player could do more than any other player in this regard and his team could still fall short. That doesn’t make the individual player less valuable. A lot of people just get confused as to what “valuable” means when it comes to sports, for some reason.
“Most valuable” means the player that was worth the most wins, regardless of whether you think there are intangible aspects to those contributions or whether everything a player contributes is measurable. (Most people are in between, to some degree or another.) Tangibly, Trout was worth around 10-11 wins. Cabrera was worth somewhere around 7 wins. So to build a case for Cabrera, you need to build a case for Cabrera making up a 3-win difference with intangibles. I’ll look forward to that.
Also, the Angels won 89 games. The Tigers won 88. So the reason Trout failed to lead his team to the postseason had a lot to do with divisional alignment and geographic location of Anaheim relative to Detroit.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:35 pm
according to DOB Wren said that Upton will play CF if they sign him Wayne
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
4:35 pm
Yes, I think facing lesser pitchers in say, the NL Central would cause them to produce better offensive stats. I think you see it more with pitching and the switch to easier/tougher leagues – but I don’t think that’s non-existent for hitters as you might
I think, if there even is a boost in switching divisions, it is statistically irrelevant at best. More to the point, I don’t think there was ever a GM anywhere who stated a hitter loaded with untapped potential would do better in his teams division. I cannot think of one single example ever, since the inception of divisional play, when a hitter changed divisions and produced better because of the new division. I would absolutely love to see some examples of that for which you base your opinion.
O.M.G.
November 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
Murph, so who were the players they were talking about if they were not talking about Hamilton, any idea?
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
Rosenthal is so short
Guy looks like he’s standing in a hole all the time. Live, in game, interviews with Rosenthal always crack me up. He’ll be in the dugout next to the ball-boy and he barely comes up to the kids chest.
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
So the reason Trout failed to lead his team to the postseason had a lot to do with divisional alignment and geographic location of Anaheim relative to Detroit.
I also think the Angels are covered by more writers, and you know that couldn’t have helped.
Simply being in proximity to the toxic geezerness exuded by a host of writers can utterly derail a beasball team.
Probably why Trout had a bad September. Writer conspiracy.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:39 pm
“Most valuable” means the player that was worth the most wins
MOST VALUABLE means whatever thehell you want it to mean Shaun, that is why there are no instruction about how to vote
PLAYER OF THE YEAR is for the guy who had the best season, if you had your way POY would be redundant award because it would always have to be one of the two MVPS.
You are not God, you did not create baseball, you did not even create the different awards so just exactly is it only you and your relatively small group of cohorts who know for certain what was meant when it was created???
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:40 pm
I would absolutely love to see some examples of that for which you base your opinion.
Well, I think we are talking differently. I think you believe that hitters hit no matter what the pitcher’s ability is and that’s a load of crap, imo. If a hitter has to face dominant starting pitching more than say, facing crap, than I think they will produce better stats.
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
4:40 pm
Ok…gotta ask….
what in the blue hell is with this “Bossman Junior” stuff?!
Also, so you’re saying you heard a different conversation than some of us did Murph?
Frank said he has had mulitple conversations w/ Hamilton’s REP….he made sure he said REP more than once, as obviously, Hamilton wouldn’t be at the GM meetings…..I think thats pretty obvious…..BUT if a guy was way out of your league, why would you meet w/ him more than once….
Thats like trying to coax a 2nd date out of a girl you have no chance with….while you may want to waste your time Murph because that sounds like something you may have done back in the day
me, no….I try to keep my cash to the girls that are worth it. (well, or the easy ones back in the day)
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
so much fun…..
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
Omigosh, I just noticed that O’Brien has a whole new formatted, scrolling Twitter box! Yowsah!
(How long has that been there? Did I just look foolish?)
DAP
November 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
p-town Upton is almost 4 years younger than Bourn…
make that 2 years. and to your point, yes it would be nice to have some certainty in such a crucial position.
Jeff R
November 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
Rosenthal is so short
Wonderful! A new theme for ye olde blog: stature – or shortness. Does that mean some bloggers are off the fat kick? Is there a diet that makes people taller? Is their a diet that makes people shorter. Is shortness politically incorrect – yet?
The Fat police must be soooo happy that Hostess went under. That should boost bean sprout sales!
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
Probably why Trout had a bad September. Writer conspiracy.
I lived out on the West Coast for quite some time. Took in many, many games while out there. I can tell you, the baseball they play in the Western Division, and in particular SoCal is a much different game than the game played in the Central Division and in the northern midwest.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
4:19 pm
Good points there BP…
Plus as I can attest to, we all have said and done some stupid things in our youth….
So for anyone who is shaking their fist about that, back up and think about it a second and how you probably were in your early 20’s and then think about adding the pressure of if you were a MLB player and had all these expectations put on you….
Pretty daunting for anyone….
And no, he’s not my first choice either….but I look at it this way now….its better than having an OF w/ Constanza and Schafer starting games….
Exactly. Or Cody Ross or Pagan.
nolie
I hope you don’t take this the wrong way but I believe you and I aren’t in a position to judge who is hustling and who isn’t. In years past Upton was reprimanded by Maddon on several occasions for not hustling so based on that I believe he would follow suit if this is a seasonal occurance with Bossman. Now there are didfferent types of running strides for every body type and what I mean by that is you can see a guy like Uggla huffing and puffing down the line and it looks like he is laboring so it’s pretty obvious he is giving his all where a tall, lean guy like Upton hides it a little more and it looks more fluid so a casual fan watching the game thinks he isn’t hustling. I know people are stubborn and you will come back with some rebuttal on why you are right and I’m just making excuses but I’ll take the fact he didn’t get called out by his manager in the last few years as fact.
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
Simply being in proximity to the toxic geezerness exuded by a host of writers can utterly derail a beasball team.
On a serious note, I do think it’s alarming that if you polled 100 front office execs, 90 of them would vote for Trout over Miggy. I don’t know if that really is the case, but that’s what everyone is making it seem like. And since, ya know, we’re always told by some that people in front offices are the smartest people in the world………
Hillbilly
November 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
(How long has that been there? Did I just look foolish?)
Not long at all. I noticed it about 15 minutes ago, and I like it.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
but it does not mean that Hamilton was the only player they discussed, just the one that Braves fans would be most interested in. I’d go listen myself but I despise Shanks too much
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Omigosh, I just noticed that O’Brien has a whole new formatted, scrolling Twitter box! Yowsah!
Copying ESPN. I like it. REAL TIME. I definitely think that was just pushed live.
Shaun
November 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
it is MOST VALUABLE, not BEST SEASON……
What do you think “most valuable” is? In sports, the most valuable player is the one who was worth the most in terms of wins. I’m not sure how anyone could deny this as the definition of “most valuable player,” whether you despise stats that you would find on Baseball-Reference or Fangraphs or BP or whether you rely heavily on them.
“Valuable” is not some subjective, taste-driven thing. It’s objective, especially when it comes to sports and the question of the most valuable player. Now just because the term is objective doesn’t mean the most valuable player is always clear-cut and there is never any room for disagreement.
But when we say a player added value to a team, we say that he was worth more wins than some other player he was replacing. Again, that’s whether you use the Fangraphs-type, BP, BR stats or not.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
I hope you don’t take this the wrong way but I believe you and I aren’t in a position to judge who is hustling and who isn’t. In years past Upton was reprimanded by Maddon on several occasions for not hustling so based on that I believe he would follow suit if this is a seasonal occurance with
nope, 18 years of playing and a dozen years of scouting would not have put me in that position, you are prolly right…if I was a flaming retard instead of a Mensa member….
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
I’d go listen myself but I despise Shanks too much
There are some things that nolie and I won’t do even for baseball.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
that is your definition Shaun, it is not mandated that it be everybody elses. certainly has not been the case in many decisions over the years. Your way is NOT necessarily the right way bub, sorry to break that to you but somebody needs to do the dirty deed, might as well be me
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
P-Town
BJ’s dad nicknamed him that as a kid and it stuck hence the name BJ. It’s on his wikipedia page. I assume he did it to make up for calling him Melvin as his given name.
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
Well, I think we are talking differently
I don’t think so. From here it looks like you are trying to back out of this.
If there is an improvement from changing divisions for a hitter, it should very well be evidenced throughout the history of divisional play. It hasn’t been. Even in the years of the mighty AL East and their pitchers. Or when the Braves had the mighty pitchers of the NL East.
I will gladly concede that the beer-league ball of the AL is not as kind to pitchers as the intellectually superior ball of the NL, but nowhere have I ever seen any evidence that a hitter improves by changing divisions.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
take care y’all, this is fun, but supper calls. gotta go cook awhile.
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
take care y’all, this is fun, but supper calls. gotta go cook awhile.
Don’t invite any writers home.
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
I do think it’s alarming that if you polled 100 front office execs, 90 of them would vote for Trout over Miggy
FO execs see league minimum and no trade restrictions vs $20M+ and a trade restrictions.
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:54 pm
From here it looks like you are trying to back out of this.
Backing out of what? Disagree again. I think the AL East has the highest payrolls and at times, the best pitchers – or at least used to – so it makes stuff tougher on hitters that have to face them 54 games a year. I don’t think that’s difficult to understand. If a hitter leaves said DIVISION and plays in a weaker division where a third of their games is vs. weaker competition(pitching) then they have the chance of producing better statistics.
Shaun
November 16th, 2012
4:54 pm
nolie, I suppose language is pointless, since “valuable” can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. I’m going to start arguing that the most valuable player is the player with the coolest shoes.
Efrim, I don’t think front offices are flawless. But I think they are filled with people who know how to valuate players much better than any writers or fans. Collectively at least, I think front offices are vastly smarter than fans and writers when it comes to valuating baseball players, as they should be, of course. So if a collective group of random front office folks would take Trout over Cabrera for MVP, if I had no access to any sort of information, I would tend to trust them over writers and fans.
I do think front office personnel should vote for the awards, if MLB wants the awards to actually mean something. It seems like it would be rather simple to implement this. Or MLB should just have their own separate awards, based on the votes of front office personnel, that are more official than the BBWAA awards so that the BBWAA awards are eventually phased out. I can’t imagine the BBWAA would want to compete with that group.
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
FO execs see league minimum and no trade restrictions vs $20M+ and a trade restrictions.
So you’re saying that all front office executives are blinded by Cabrera’s salary?
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
I do think it’s alarming that if you polled 100 front office execs, 90 of them would vote for Trout over Miggy
Why “alarming”? I find it only “interesting”.
But, if that is true, surely them geezer-necked writers spoke to a few of these FO types and got a sense of their thinking? And, having done so, decided to vote for Cabrera, anyway? Does this forward Shaun’s notion that writers, as a group, are less than savvy in regards to the game itself?
Oh, hell yeah. Absolutely. Suckers are so dumb, they got instruction from their betters, and still couldn’t pull the right lever.
Jeff R
November 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
nolie, I suppose language is pointless, since “valuable” can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean. I’m going to start arguing that the most valuable player is the player with the coolest shoes.
Certainly, one can come to an understanding of what defines “valuable” pertaining to a subject.
Relativism stinks, in baseball and life!
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
I knew it, the I have a ton of experience so I know more than anyone. Can’t say I’m surprised as I know how stubborn most old timers are. Yeah I played baseball for about 30 years of my life as well buddy and up through Division I college ball on a full scholarship if we want to go in that direction.
Shaun
November 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
FO execs see league minimum and no trade restrictions vs $20M+ and a trade restrictions.
It’s naive to think that front office personnel wouldn’t be able to disregard contracts when voting for awards or didn’t when surveyed about Trout versus Cabrera. Do you think, if surveyed, they would take Bryce Harper over Posey or McCutchen for NL MVP because they can’t avoid looking at contracts?
That’s just a lazy and emotional way of saying you don’t like who they would have chosen for AL MVP.
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
5:00 pm
Shaun, I agree with you about the front offices, etc. but overall today, you need to scale it back a bit.
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
It’s naive to think that front office …
It’s asinine that after all these years you still have no sense of humor.
Murph
November 16th, 2012
5:03 pm
PT, I’ll give you two sentences, you tell me if you take away anything different from them:
“Wren had multiple conversations with Hamilton’s rep.”
vs
“Wren had multiple conversations with Mike Moye about some of his clients, one of which is Josh Hamilton, although Wren made it clear that Hamilton’s supposed contract wishes are way out of the Braves’ reach.”
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
5:03 pm
I do think we all love the shiny young player and hate the grizzled veteran.
I mean, me personally, I llike home grown stars and young players.
I remember Bill James segment on 60 minutes years back and he said his favorite player was David Wright – because he does everything well(awesome), and most importantly, because he’s young.
But whatever!
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
If a hitter leaves said DIVISION and plays in a weaker division where a third of their games is vs. weaker competition(pitching) then they have the chance of producing better statistics.
Sweet. So you should be able to provide this data. This isn’t merely a thought exercise. There are decades of data that one could go through to find out if changing divisions actually makes a hitter better.
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
5:05 pm
blinded by Cabrera’s salary?
Blinded by the light, the Boss’s vocals… the fame… the glory…
Efrim
November 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
It’s asinine that after all these years you still have no sense of humor.
LOL
I think I can even scratch my head at times with you, TenneseePaul. I mean, are you sure you really “like” Jason Heyward and want to see him succeed?
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
I don’t claim to know it because I played, lotsa players are ignorant just listen to the TV jocks. but I did work in it and study it every chance I got talking to all above me all the time, and if you have no respect for training and experience than you are and idiot.
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
5:09 pm
I mean, are you sure you really “like” Jason Heyward
Well, according to facebook…
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:10 pm
and spending that many years scouting players sure as hell gives me the ability to tell when one is not hustling at times which is what the damn discussion was about to begin with
TennesseePaul
November 16th, 2012
5:11 pm
And, you know, if he looked like Cody Ross I’d be tossing him my hotel room key.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
good line 10P
old man
November 16th, 2012
5:13 pm
Bill James on Bourjos, 2013
.262— .316— .411— .727
with 24 SB.
O.M.G.
November 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
Who are some of the other clients of Mike Moye?
DS1
November 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
I’m thinking this potential BJ Upton signing could end up being a huge mistake.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
I like young girls, I guess that is the same thing more or less Ef……
old man
November 16th, 2012
5:19 pm
2012 rank, defensive wins above replacement, CF
Bourn 3.0
Span 2.4
Gentry 1.9
Bourjos 1.1
Young (ARI) 1.0
Rasmus .9
Jay .5
Ellsbury .5
Marte ,5
Revere .5
Victorino .4
BJ Upton -.1
McCutcheon -.2
Pagan, -.3
J. Schafer -.4
Fowler -.8
J. Hamilton -1.2
So screw figuring out Fowler’s home/away splits. Go with Span, or Bourjos.
I’m assuming Gentry is unavailable. Or, was Wren discussing him when Hamilton came up in the conversation?
BJ Upton seems to be on the risky end of the spectrum, and expensive. Not opposed to him per se, but you can argue he is a “no field-no hit” option.
Murph
November 16th, 2012
5:20 pm
OMG, here’s some of Moye’s clients…
http://mlbfinances.com/agencies/moye01
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:20 pm
it could be a mistake, I personally think that the odds lean in that direction, but it might work out ok or better. we all admit that he has tons of tools. you pays your money and you takes your chances….
DS1
November 16th, 2012
5:20 pm
FreeFan
Sometimes it’s better to shut up and let folks think your and idiot, than to open your mouth (or loose your keyboard) and remove all doubt.
Murph
November 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
Janish is Moye client…
Wren – So, Mike, how’s Paul doing?
Moye – Good, good. Feeling good.
Wren – Good.
Moye – Yup, he’s good.
uncomfortable pause
Wren – And Hamilton? How’s he?
Moye – Yeah, not gonna happen.
Wren – What? No, I didn’t… oh, you thought that I was… oh man, that’s funny.
uncomfortable pause
Wren – Welp, I gotta run. Talk to you later!
Moye – Bye Frank.
Wren – Bye Mike.
uncomfortable pause
Moye – Hang up, Frank.
And from this, we got that Wren has had multiple conversations with Hamilton’s rep.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
prolly trying to re-sign Janish Murph…..
O.M.G.
November 16th, 2012
5:27 pm
Thanks Murph. But who in the world would they be talking about on that list other than Hamilton? And why?
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:29 pm
I won’t hate it if they get BJ, there are worse out there, but I would prefer Bourn if the contract was close
O.M.G.
November 16th, 2012
5:29 pm
Murph, now that’s funny!!!!
Murph
November 16th, 2012
5:30 pm
Janish is arb eligible… Braves don’t have to worry about signing him until 2015.
mrnatural
November 16th, 2012
5:32 pm
Stick to your guns Shaun. Everything is relative, including value. A ninth inning home run in a 10-0 blowout has less value than a ninth inning home run in a tied game. Same number of runs scored. More value in the second case. I could see a player hitting .400 with 40 HR, 40 steals 1200 OPS and a gold glove not being the MVP if his team only wins 50 games. He should win Player of the Year, but I agree with Shaun: Value should be tied to wins.
Shaun
November 16th, 2012
5:32 pm
BJ Upton is just a younger Michael Bourn. They just arrive at their values in different ways.
nolie
November 16th, 2012
5:34 pm
they could have been working a deal to sign without going to arb Murph
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:36 pm
BJ Upton is just a younger Michael Bourn. They just arrive at their values in different ways @Shaun
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:37 pm
true, they seldom go to arb
Murph
November 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
they could have been working a deal to sign without going to arb Murph
Yeah, maybe.
Or, they could have been talking at length about Hamilton. That’s not what I took away from the interview, but given that Frank doesn’t like to show his hand, that’s what they might have been doing.
Still, when he mentions that a single player taking 20-25% of his teams salary and how that’s not something they’d be likely do, it does make me feel less happy happy joy joy about things than I did yesterday.
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:46 pm
Who is the leadoff hitter that Wen wants to trade for after BJ is signed, anybody have any ideas?
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
5:49 pm
Half Empty:
Nope, but good to see you back young man. Been missing you here.
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
5:52 pm
Murph-
Nice and all but you’re reaching there….
BP-
Be careful….I got smacked w/ a stick for talking about “playing the game” and my experience there….
Yet the old f-ers seem to get away with whatever they want because they’ve been around the nursing home and back…..
And btw…..BJ Upton was born in Aug of 84 and Bourn in Dec of 82…..how that makes them the same age in anyone’s book is beyond me…..so I may have been a bit off on my math, but not as much as DAP there….
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:52 pm
Ok rich, I apologize for over reacting the other day, been a tough week.
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
Oh, and I still stand by my statement that Upton projects better over the life of his next deal….more tools that won’t go sour unlike Bourn….
Now I’m not saying I’d pay either a King’s ransom, but the going rate in the market is what it is, and I’d rather dish out for Upton than say Ross or Ludwick….or Pagan….between MANY factors, he is just a better fit….
That goes for either Upton for that matter, but with Justin, its a non starter if they want Simmons….
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
5:56 pm
Yet the old f-ers seem to get away with whatever they want because they’ve been around the nursing home and back… P-Town
sounds like the jealousy spread here by a number of people who claim the outsiders position, as if that were a moral stand
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
5:57 pm
Sorry to here that. Hope things improve durin g Turkey week.
BRAVES brought B.J. in for a tour and chat. Sounds like thay’re serious. I’ve not paid much attenttion to his career or his brother for that matter.
I suppose the bitter comments from parents of others on his travel teams a long ways back put him on the back shelf of possibles to replace BOURN in my mind. I’ll have to dust him off and see how he patrols CF this upcoming.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
5:58 pm
DS1 nolie
You guys are built of the same mold, blog veterans(seem like you never leave), you back each other up to no end ripping on anyone who does support you ideas and thoughts, stubborn as hell, and no one can tell you any different because you are always right. I’ve been coming here for many, many years and for the life of me never, ever remember reading guys like you admitting you were wrong about something. Believe me I know you’re type as old, aged, wise veterans and leave it at that because there is no debating with these types because your opinion is fact. I’m not trying to start trouble but just the way I see things after many years of reading the blog. Like I said I’ll take the fact that Upton’s manager didn’t discipline him, like in years past, the last few years as fact over your opinion on the matter. Plus the fact that Wren and Co. see enough in the guy the last few years to try and sign him as fact. I don’t think if he was lazy and didn’t hustle still that would be the case. Braves management doesn’t go for those type of players.
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
5:58 pm
Half-
Nah….I’ve been around for awhile….
At this point its kinda a running joke as to see who has a retort as to who thinks I am talking to them
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
6:00 pm
“……That goes for either Upton for that matter, but with Justin, its a non starter if they want Simmons….” P-Town Brave
And chorus goes, “A-A-A-men, a-a-a-men, a–A-men, amen, amen, sing it over….”
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Richbrave-
Wonder if anyone has ever thought its because they were BETTER than everyone else….
People always seem to gravitate towards hating the best….and from someone who back in the day was a part of the circle of travel ball….
Difference between school ball and travel ball….favoritism isn’t displayed and while Johnny Cokenballs thinks he should be the starting SS because he played in front of everyone at Smalltown HS, he isn’t seen that way by the travel coach….and him and his dad who just so happens to be the coach at Smalltown create a stir…..
I can’t say it any better than haters gonna hate…..
Murph
November 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
The next day….
**ring, ring**
**ring, ring**
*click*
Hello, you’ve reached the office of Mike Moye. I am unavailable right now, so please leave your name and number and I’ll get back to you as soon as possible. Have a great day and play ball!
*beeeeeep*
Wren – Ummmm, yeah, hi Mike. It’s Frank again. Frank Wren. GM of the… well, you know who I’m the GM of. Why do I do that?? I’m so stupid!! Anyways……… so, I just thought I’d give you a call and check in, see how you’re doing. Did you take Marcy to Disney on Ice yet like I told you yesterday? Great show. It’s a really, really great show. Fantastic show. Yeah… I… look if you have a second, I’d….
*click*
Moye – Frank?
Wren – Mike! How are ya?? I didn’t realize you were…
Moya – Frank, you have to stop calling here. Seriously man, you need to stop.
Frank – Wait wait wait! Wait… 4 years, $15mil per plus a…
*click*
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Ok P-Town I get that, but I don’t think it is a running joke with some others, sounds like the lament of folks who never got over not being popular in HS and resent the in-crowd ever after. like the above BP post
P-Town Brave ©
November 16th, 2012
6:04 pm
Anyways, everyone have a good one!
I may check back in before Monday if something happens….
Otherwise take care and see you back soon!
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
P-Town:
Agreed. They WERE the best and I’m sure there was some of that in the invective they were spewing. I just kept my mouth shut, and watched my grandsons play with their younger boys complimenting their kids along the way. Man, I’m a duplicious b**tard.
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
Gotta’ roll guys. Night out coming up. I’ll put up GATTIS and MEJIA when I get back. Later.
MFin04
November 16th, 2012
6:08 pm
BJ Upton is one of the players that if the Braves sign him you really contemplate your allegiance as a fan to this team. No sub .300 obp player should ever be on this team.
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
6:10 pm
well hopefully that was an outlier MF, but in general he has gotten poor at that.
Braves coaches seem to address plate patience, perhaps his OBP would pop back up some.
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
6:12 pm
I don’t think if he was lazy and didn’t hustle still that would be the case. Braves management doesn’t go for those type of players.. @BP
oh you mean like Melky?
Lew
November 16th, 2012
6:13 pm
Murph – The problem is that Andruw is no longer as good as Andruw was.
Half Empty
November 16th, 2012
6:15 pm
exactly how many Tampa games do you watch each season BP? Oh wait, experiencing something isn’t meaningful is it? Mental osmosis will give you the scoop, right?
David from Athens, Alabama
November 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
No matter who the Braves sign — some will be happy — other will be unhappy …FW can not win … as for me, whoever he signs I hope that they will have career years with the Braves as long as they are Braves. Sure I want to win the WS, but I enjoy the journal every year as they put forth their best effort! From Hunter, Upton, Ross, Flower, Willingham, Span, Gordon, etc. … there are risk every year and expectation are not met … but life goes on … just enjoy while we can … and remember baseball is just a brief escape from our our more important issues we face daily! GO BRAVES!!!!
MFin04
November 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
If BJ Upton is significantly cheaper than Michael Bourn, fine, but let’s not pretend that they are the same caliber player. Michael Bourn is a much better overall player than BJ Upton, and it isn’t really close. Upton has power, that’s it. Bourn is better in ever other facet, including attitude.