9:32 pm November 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 13th, 20128:05 am
DOB, I really enjoy and appreciate your work. It’s a great bridge to to spring training. Your writing style makes me feel like I’m having a conversation with you when a read your blog. Thanks again.
November 13th, 20128:16 am
No to both Uptons???? Nah, only say no to BJ. Justin will be a beast next year. Get 3 years of reasonable control. I’d go all out for him.
November 13th, 20128:19 am
12 different monikers since reason posted @ 4:51.
I know 3 (Couch Tater, Jeff R & abeeeewright) are legit.
But the other 9 ( reason, urban redneck, Bill M., Milesarcher33, Armchair Observer, steve brown, Old Guy, Rowlands Office & Rob M), who are they?
I mean, who comes on the blog from 5-8 in the morning with 9 different names? Who does that?
That’s, AT LEAST, 9. I’m only going back to when I came on.
November 13th, 20128:35 am
NOT firing Frank Wren was the biggest mistake this off season so far…….
He has handicapped this team with poor trades, and the inability to find guys that work together, combining speed and defense, with aggression on the base paths….. the steroid era is gone…. guys like Uggla are dinosaurs.
I am tired of all who say he has little money to work with……..if he didn’t have Lowe, Kawakami, or now Uggla’s contracts who knows.
Sorry I would still rather have Blanco a World Champion, or Infante a American League Champion, then Uggla and Bourn, the latter we will not get back.
Really did anyone really beleive we would pay big money for a Frank Boras player ?
BUT rejoice …… we have Jordan Shaffer……. all is well that ends well !!!!!!!
David Ross was a huge part of this team, and given the facts that McCann may never again be that guy with a big bat again….. we will then have a major liability behind the plate, because he is not that good as a catcher defensively… and getting older.
This organization is clueless and getting worse.
Washington will rule the east for some time to come and the Braves may be playing for a wildcard berth for a long time until WREN is gone !
November 13th, 20128:36 am
Maybe, it’s nine police officers at Krispy Kreme. …with Wi-Fi.
Just kidding, officer.
Yes, the insurance card is current. I know it’s here somewhere. Hold on…
Damn…it was right here…
November 13th, 20128:38 am
Make that, 10, Tater… (add Peter)
November 13th, 20128:40 am
More panic in the streets here than there likely was when the lights went out in Revolution. Geez louise.
November 13th, 20128:46 am
Catcher is one position I would have had to make an exception. If Mac is worth 12 mil, Ross is worth 9. Ross was better than most team’s starters. Very disappointed in letting David get away!
November 13th, 20128:50 am
November 13th, 20128:51 am
I think it is morning where every body is, but not here. Popped in to ask question. What would be wrong with both Upton in same outfield. IMO it would reserrect B,J. career
November 13th, 20128:56 am
Very disappointed in letting David get away!
I’m not so disappointed that I would pay the guy $3MM a year.
What would be wrong with both Upton in same outfield. IMO it would reserrect B,J. career — Amber Girl (#12)
Only if BJ goes to Arizona, or Justin goes to Tampa Bay
November 13th, 20128:57 am
BJ Upton is lazy at times, too frequently, a bad defensive CF, with a poor OBP(and avg. too) Not well liked… will be severely overpaid because of his potential, not what hes done.
November 13th, 20128:58 am
OSCAR TAVARAS for JUAN FRANCISCO.
November 13th, 20129:00 am
Wow,conspiracy theories abound. Who really cares if somebody has more than one moniker? Couch, I figure you are good for about 40.
November 13th, 20129:03 am
Who said anything about caring??? Can’t one just list them? And why would you be so concerned about different monikers being called out???????
November 13th, 20129:04 am
If the Braves don’t get a center fielder who can bat leadoff, they’ll have to fill the leadoff spot, too, since they don’t have any intentions or desire to move Martin Prado to leadoff,
It disturbs me that the team so easily dismisses the idea that Prado may end up as the best option for leadoff, regardless of the acquisitions.
November 13th, 20129:05 am
Someone (HooRah?) asked last night who wrote the Upton article I posted yesterday…. it was Fred Owens of Tomahawk Take
I repeat what i’ve said before, “Wren is too busy Dumpster Digging to pay attention to important things like signing Ross and other free agents, it will take a long time for him to go through all 30 dumpsters and by the time he finishes all the good free agents will be signed by someone else then he will be forced to give up our best prospects for over rated/overpaid has been players”
November 13th, 20129:06 am
As I’ve said where ROSS is concerned, “penny-wise and pound foolish.” But that’s all water over the dam now. Time to move on.
The UPTONS are not easy to swallow. They have some ‘tude according to folks I’ve talked to who know them and the family personally. This is an acquisition I’d tread lightly around. I’m not sure they would be a fit in the BRAVES clubhouse.
November 13th, 20129:07 am
OK Guys thank for info. I disagree but I don’t know. Bye for now.
November 13th, 20129:08 am
Bobby H,you cared enough to count. Yes,I spend all day changing my name cause I am old and am bored.
November 13th, 20129:09 am
As many as 13-14 teams have checked in on Torii Hunter, and the 37-year-old is likely to play for a new team in 2013, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports. The Tigers, Rangers and Braves are being the most aggressive, according to Miller’s sources.
I’m open,” Hunter said. “If the National League has a team that’s going to win, I’m all for it.”
Hunter has already spoken with his close friend Jason Heyward about the Braves, who are a clear fit for the former Gold Glover. As Miller notes, Hunter grew up in Arkansas watching the Braves on a regular basis. Earlier today, it was reported that the Braves were among the teams that were very interested in Hunter. The Tigers, Rangers and Yankees are also mentioned in that report, and the Red Sox have been linked to Hunter as well. The Dodgers, however, appear to be out of the discussion.
November 13th, 20129:10 am
Thanks for the work DOB.
The Braves already have a “back-up”catcher; his name is McCann. They need to go after a front line catcher.
November 13th, 20129:12 am
Bobby H,you cared enough to count. Yes,I spend all day changing my name cause I am old and am bored. — CB
It sure as hell wouldn’t be someone that is young and active!!!!!
November 13th, 20129:15 am
soooooooooooooo…we pick up McCann’s RIDICULOUS option, allow our ONLY insurance policy at C to walk for a lousy 3 million a year, and now it’s looking more and more like Hunter will be playing LF next year (or maybe even CF?) when we began this off-season with over 25 million to work with? uggggggggggggggggggla….
It disturbs me that the team so easily dismisses the idea that Prado may end up as the best option for leadoff, regardless of the acquisitions. — ncscoots
I agree, the leadoff position is too overrated, IMO. Many teams do well without the, typical, leadoff player.
November 13th, 20129:17 am
Troy Glaus, Anderson, and now Hunter. This has to work this time!
November 13th, 20129:18 am
One more quick question What would be wrong with Olivio as back-up catcher. Off to school bye.
November 13th, 20129:19 am
I hate all the name game too. I once posted as a PHILLIES fan and got exposed by DOB. Most embarressing. So it really irks me when it’s obvious that people have multiple IP addresses, and post under assumed names.
November 13th, 20129:22 am
One more quick question What would be wrong with Olivio as back-up catcher. Off to school bye. — Amber Girl
Before you go, ask old scout or BravesFanSince80s… I believe they’re still here. They have all the answers… one way or the other
Couch, I figure you are good for about 40
Thanks! A little older, though.
richbrave, you are secretly a Phillies fan? You dirty dog.
November 13th, 20129:27 am
It’s OK, IMO, until they just come on here to get people on the blog pissed (Dentz).
However, during the slow times, as in the early am, what the hell if someone wants to have a debate among themselves?
I’m sure DOB doesn’t mind as long as no harm is done.
November 13th, 20129:29 am
What needs to be said is the “usual suspect veteran catchers” CANNOT hit!!!! Another SURE OUT in our Brave’s lineup. Great.
With Uggla, the “usual suspect” catcher, and the pitcher… that’s 3 SURE outs.
Frank Wren and Liberty CHEAPIA will “pull” their “usual” bargain-basement, pig-in-a-poke, garage-sale transactions and give us mediocre Ryan Ludwick, Matt “Mysti May” Treanor, and enigma “Nyjer Morgan.”
All three of the aformentioned BUMS are described by Wren’s FAVORITE term… “AFFORDABLE.”
Dernard Span is a “nice” defensive CF; however, the truth is he CANNOT hit a HR to save his life and he is NOT an elite stolen base guy.
Instead of Wren’s “smoke and mirrors” regarding Michael Bourn, I wish he and the anti-christ Scott Boras would sign with the ratty Nationals and get this sharade over with. Bourn is GONE, was GONE when the Brave’s traded for him.
November 13th, 20129:30 am
Don’t kid yourself Bobby H, you think you have all the answers too, just your own version. The trouble with guys like you is that you think for some reason that no one else does. Just you. Must get lonely…
November 13th, 20129:32 am
I just don’t see us picking up Upton…we’ll already have given up a pitcher or two to get Span (god I hope they take Hanson!).
I just don’t see giving up Simmons for Upton? Then are we plugging a hack for SS? Having we gone through enough A-GON for a lifetime? Simmons was fun to watch and handled the bat much better than I thought he would.
Get Span cause he’ll be easy to pry out of Minni and he’ll be jacked up to out perform Bourn in the same division. All stress of a huge contract and aging body will be on Bourn…..we’ll win that one and save enough money to pump it into a Medlen/Kimbrel mega-contract.
Fill LF with Hunter.
Either way the biggest question mark we’ll have, is Mac healthy, is Mac going to hit the ball.
Anything with Uggla is gravy. If he mans up and has a good year, it just makes us that much better…..if he stinks…..we’re used to it by now.
November 13th, 20129:35 am
Don’t kid yourself Bobby H, you think you have all the answers too, just your own version. The trouble with guys like you is that you think for some reason that no one else does. Just you. Must get lonely… — BravesFanSince80s
OK, I’ll go along with you for arguments sake…
Give me one case-in-point as to what you are referring to… just one (I need something to defend)
November 13th, 20129:37 am
Whatever will I do if someone posts here under another name?
P-Town Brave ©
November 13th, 20129:38 am
Good morning friends
Man….apparently you really miss out in having a bed time and needing to be up for work….
Some funny stuff I browsed through from last night….
I especially loved all the comments from what I would characterize as “Know It All Brian H”
Gotta say I thank Bobby H for probably the best two posts from the overnight in reading this morning….calling out this KIA Brian H and then calling phil KOW…..just funny stuff!
I guess maybe I should be lopped in there w/ the glass half empty group though because I’d really like Hunter, I just don’t think it happens….and sadly, I got from DOB’s article that, step back, take a deep breath, and realize, we could still end up w/ another Garret Anderson…
BUT…..to respond to an ignorant comment…..who was expecting Span to come in and hit HR…EVER?! That would be about as smart as saying we should ask Freeman to start stealing bases or Huddy to start striking out 12 a start…..its just not in his game….
Best advice I was EVER given in sports and translated through from my baseball and basketball days….Be yourself….and play within yourself…..don’t try to overdo it and be someone you’re not…..
The sooner guys realize that, the better off they will be…..and apparently that goes for bloggers too
November 13th, 20129:41 am
There are some that I would PREFER to see under another name!
Even more PREFERABLY, on a different blog!
November 13th, 20129:42 am
P-Town Brave, what is KOW supposed to mean concerning me? I want to make sure I understand the latest slight here at the middle school lunchroom table.
November 13th, 20129:44 am
P-Town Brave © — Thank you, sir!
November 13th, 20129:46 am
Too much money spent for McCann and now losing Ross also.
The Braves and Wren only know how to build a roster with baling wire and duct tape and going after old washed-up players.
This is typical Braves madness. They will accomplish little in the off season and on the field again next year.
Kinsler, I TEX 435079 2B 157 655 105 168 42 5 19 72 60 90 21 9 .256 .326 .423 .749
Another option at 3B, Ian Kinsler? He is capable of 30/30 seasons again and has been a leadoff hitter for past several seasons, although maybe not the best spot for him. He has power and speed and I think he could move to 3B. Texas wants pitching and he may be available. I wonder what we’d have to give up for him?
P-Town Brave, what is KOW supposed to mean concerning me? — phil (KOW)
I should say, scroll back a bit, you lazy b……. but, to give you the quick version: King Of Whiners
November 13th, 20129:47 am
Why all the panic? The calendar reads November 13, which is still very early in the offseason.
November 13th, 20129:48 am
Thanks, Bobby H…
November 13th, 20129:49 am
Why all the panic? The calendar reads November 13, which is still very early in the offseason.
I think all the now-unrequited David Ross man-love is exacerbating the twitchies.
November 13th, 20129:50 am
The whole team needs to be re-worked? Lord, some of the crap posted here.
Are you going to re-work Freeman at first base? Are you going to re-work Uggla at second (short of eating most of his salary and losing the power)? Are you going to re-work Heyward? Prado?
So let;s see – that pretty well leaves LF, CF and a back up catcher or Simmons, three of which is exactly what we will be re-working.
So I guess what you mean is that we need a different shortstop? Makes sense, since we now have the one we’ve been waiting for ever since Furcal left the Braves.
I’d rather trade Elvis Andrus than Ian Kinsler if I were the Rangers.
November 13th, 20129:52 am
Bobby H, what I am referring to is exactly what has been going on all last night and all morning so far. You set yourself up as some sort of blog police and ridicule anyone who disagrees with you. GROW UP…
Arencibia, J TOR 450317 C 102 347 45 81 16 0 18 56 18 108 1 0 .233 .275 .435 .710
Young option at catcher from Toronto?
November 13th, 2012
Oh yeah, and while I was perusing the blog comments, I rather enjoyed this one, too…
One of my great strengths in life is being underestimated. — phil
phil, old buddy, just so you know I don’t underestimate you;
I consider you the King Of Whiners!
I’ll just refer to you as, KOW, from now on. That way, you won’t feel so underestimated.
I see it now, obviously….
If you want to be an ahole too, I guess it’s your right.
I was getting ready for work this morning and was picking through t-shirts to wear and came across a Braves shirt and just had a feeling today was the day something happens so I put it on. Don’t make me have worn my Braves shirt for nothing Wren!
Thanks, Bobby H… — phil
You’re welcome but, believe me, the pleasure was all mine…
November 13th, 20129:53 am
Why will McCann never be the guy with a big bat again?
Bobby H, I just had to tell my 3 yr old to get his hands out of his pants, maybe somebody shoulda told you that a long time ago too…
November 13th, 20129:54 am
BravesFanSince80s – This blog is overrun with “police”. It’s at least as bad as us “whiners” in terms of numbers.
You might as well give it up now.
November 13th, 20129:55 am
LF-CF-Backup C-Bench, This the concern of all of us. Time to get to work not seeing anything that is our concern.
Lew,silly man, because our baseball experts say so.
King of Winning…. right here
Need to re-work the rotation…. get a hard-throwing SP, who can lead this rotation. We have enough soft-tossing guys in it already… heck, re-work the draft strategy. No more soft-tossing, polished, college lefties. No soft-tossing high school lefties, either…. Get us some (more risky) high upside hitters
What old, washed up players are we going after that lead to constructing a team with bailing wire?
November 13th, 20129:56 am
Bobby H, what I am referring to is exactly what has been going on all last night and all morning so far. You set yourself up as some sort of blog police and ridicule anyone who disagrees with you. GROW UP… — BravesFanSince80s
OK, I’ll ask you for the 2ND time, give me an example… just ONE example. You’re not giving me anything but generalities… which anyone of us could give to any others…
November 13th, 20129:57 am
CB – Is it just me or has the level of idiocy ratcheted up a notch since last year?
November 13th, 20129:58 am
Best advice I was EVER given in sports…
Best advice I was given. “Get a big golf bag and you can fit 12 tall boys in it. Why pay clubhouse prices?”
Lew, I hope McCann will be able to hit again, I really do, I think that’s more likely than him being able to catch at a high level anymore though. The shoulder is just too easily re-injured doing what he does. It’s like somebody said just the other day, all it would take after all that re-hab and coming back is one good collision at the plate and he’d be back on the DL….
November 13th, 20129:59 am
Interesting news on the whole Olt-for-Simmons thing. I’m glad Wren didn’t pull the trigger, but have to admit a small part of me wishes he had. Olt is quite the slugger, and the thought of him hitting between Heyward and Freeman is an intriguing one.
Oh well, upwards and onwards.
Get Span, sign Hunter to a two year deal, pick the backup catcher with the least amount of warts, dump Hanson (if he isn’t a part of the Span deal) for some mid-level position prospects and finish off the bench. Done and done, World Series here we come!
Just a tad,Lew
November 13th, 201210:00 am
Bobby H I am an infrequent poster, however I have been coming on here for weeks and have not once used a different moniker. I feel I am as qualified to post my comments as you or anyone else . I have been following the Braves since opeining day 1966 and did not miss a single Braves broadcast in the magical year of 1969 (I still hate the Mets). I attend 4 or 5 games a year and hardly miss watching a game. I come on here every morning with a cup of coffee and occasionaly decide to post. Since you called me out, I will give my opinion of you. You are probably one of those who are disdainful of others ideas, jumped on the bandwagon in 91, and don’t remember the miserable 70’s and 80’s.
My opinion is to say NO to the Uptons because Justin would cost too much and BJ would be a bad fit. I repeat, keep both Minor and Simmons and add to get rid of Hanson for whatever they can get.
Bobby H, I just had to tell my 3 yr old to get his hands out of his pants, maybe somebody shoulda told you that a long time ago too… — BravesFanSince80s
ANOTHER strong point on your behalf… you’re killing me, now.
November 13th, 201210:01 am
Anytime you mention a player, in this case Tori Hunter(or any player for that matter) and in the same breath the teams(Yankees, Rangers, RedSox,Braves) you might as well count them out from ever playing for the Braves. Simply can’t bid against the big dogs. Look for Wren to pull off a trade and get lesser(not marquee)known players. I like a trade that brings Bernadina from the Nats(CF) straight up for Tommy Hanson. I don’t know how realistic that is, but it’s not any worse than alot of the stuff I read on here. Like getting the old Sears Christmas catalogue in the mail as a kid and going through the toy section page by page and saying I want this and I want that. It was alot of fun to wish and dream but nowhere near reality.
November 13th, 201210:03 am
I don’t know scoots, that sentence doesn’t make much sense in light of the stated objectives. The Braves are specifically seeking a lead-off type hitter for one of their open positions. Given that stated objective, it would be an abject failure upon the part of the front office if Prado ends up as the best option at lead-off after they believe they have accomplished their objective.
Prado could be a solid lead-off guy. He could handle that role if needs be. But, the team is working right now under the premise that he need not be. And there is no reason not to. It’s November. The team wants a prototypical lead-off hitter, this is the best time to be looking for one. If Spring comes and there still is no lead-off hitter in the fold, the off-season acquisitions as a whole were probably a failure.
Jon Daniels on the caller ID again…
Oh…you want Simmons you say….
Sure, we will take Olt, Gentry, Kinsler, and Andrus to go please
Since 80’s – Dude, Buster Posey could have another collision and never be the same again. So, for that matter could anyone.McCann had a poor season for one reason and one reason onlky – he was injured. He got it fixed. The Doctors say he’ll be back at normal levels after rehab. If he doesn’t perform to past levels and looks as bad as he did wehen injured, he won’t be re-signed. We have no one ready to replace him.
I fail to see a problem here.
November 13th, 201210:04 am
If it were up to me, probably a good thing its nor, I would trade for Spann and overpay, a little for Hunter.
Then suggest mightly that Uggla and Fransico (when finished Dminican ball)get themselves to Atlanta or Florida, wherever the Braves two hitting instructors are and start rebuilding their swings like Heyward did last year.
Hunter sounds an awful lot like Garret Anderson part 2 to me…
Stupid move by FW……., Ross is a big part of the glue
I know you have a man crush on Olt but don’t make me slap you
November 13th, 201210:05 am
The Braves will sign an older experienced (inexpensive) catcher as a back up going into the season and then use Gattis or Bethancourt as the every day catchers until McCann comes back. And, I am skeptical that McCann will just bounce right back and be the hitter he was. I think it will take a lot longer than people are hoping for.
November 13th, 201210:06 am
Interesting news on the whole Olt-for-Simmons thing.
I read that. Pretty fiendish on the Rangers part if true. They have two stud SS prospects and they’re trying to pull off a deal which keeps them both and trades some other teams starting shortstop?
Olt sounds interesting, but not that interesting. Not to the point of opening another hole on the roster.
I would trade Hanson to the Nats for Bernadina… on 1 condition. Hanson must start a game of every series we play versus them. Get to beat him up… .271/.344/.464/.808 oppo. line in 2012…. it’s trending to get even worse!
November 13th, 201210:07 am
If anyone…ANYONE knows how much Tommy Hanson sucks, it’d have to be Washington right?
Plus Bernadina may be a + defender, he still hasn’t proven himself w/ the bat….
I still think the perfect fit for CF is Span unless we plan on a blockbuster trade for LF….
Someone mentioned Kinsler again….well, I mentioned him at 3B weeks ago….that said, apparently Texas is considering moving him to LF next year….could be an option in ATL as well….
That said, I’m not sure Frank would even call Daniels back after what he proposed
If Hunter is signed to a two year deal, I don’t think he’s a stop gap to anyone.
November 13th, 201210:08 am
I think more people would be calling FW stupid for giving him 6+ for 2 years.
Folks, it’s only Nov the 13th.
November 13th, 201210:09 am
This is why it intrigues me that the Braves could see if the Twins would toss in Doumit along w/ Span….
Doumit not only fixes the extra catcher, BUT he puts himself in the conversation as a REALLY solid bench bat for the team as well and he can play 3 of the 4 corner positions as well.
November 13th, 201210:10 am
They have two stud SS prospects and they’re trying to pull off a deal which keeps them both and trades some other teams starting shortstop?
Creative. I like the thought process in that move for the Rangers. But there was no way the Braves were making that trade.
November 13th, 201210:11 am
Mac was struggling a bit before he “got injured” though… can’t really blame it on the oblique, he had all offseason. The shoulder injury just didn’t allow him to play fully down the stretch. Nice guy, hope he does well, I’m sure he can, but he hasn’t really hit since Aug2011, save in July this year. Can’t be thinking of extending him now, when he hasn’t stayed healthy as of late. But to say that he won’t become a big bat again is foolish. Sure he hasn’t been one for a while, but he does have a track record. We just have to trust that he’ll perform again.
Exactly….Gattis is a possibility, but frankly, I am tired of waiting on the “what if” scenario….
IF Gattis proves to be deadly, then we are in a MUCH better position w/ depth than we would be if we have nothing….
Either way, I think Hunter is looking for a guaranteed 2 years
November 13th, 201210:12 am
I thought the qualifying offer dates and elimination of arbitration for draft pick compensation was suppose to speed up the offseason? As usual, not much going to happen until after Thanksgiving. Maybe a signing/trade or two – most likely an overpay by the Phillies.
it’s only Nov the 13th.
Exactly… What in the hell is Frank waiting for???
Creative. I like the thought process in that move for the Rangers.
I’m sure plenty of teams could come up with just as creative of trades. It’s real easy when you’re trading other teams players and reaping all the benefits.
November 13th, 201210:13 am
Doumit not only fixes the extra catcher, BUT he puts himself in the conversation as a REALLY solid bench bat
And we’ll sure need his bat if Janish and some poor catcher like Boscan or Shoppach are on the bench for us… Span and Doumit, Mr. Wren.
I don’t think he’s a stop gap to anyone.
Perhaps a stop-gap to a better free agent or available-through-trade class?
November 13th, 201210:14 am
No way is Doumit a throw in w his numbers.
November 13th, 201210:15 am
Gattis should be forgotten in terms of prospect status. You don’t usually see top prospects that are 26 years old and haven’t seen Triple-A, and don’t have very many plate appearances throughout there minor league career. Gattis is a wait and see once he gets to the ML level. Tough to count on him as their future everyday LF – not a usual route to the majors. Just don’t like thinking he’s a future regular, I guess. Be pumped if it happens, but that is very optimisitc.
November 13th, 201210:16 am
Perhaps a stop-gap to a better free agent or available-through-trade class?
That I can buy. Gattis or any other current Braves prospect, not so much.
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