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ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
10:47 am

You guys can do lineup posts all you want, but Upton is unlikely to ever be one of the four best hitters on this club (unless the light goes on and he absolutely becomes the beast everyone once thought he would be). Hitting him at 4 would be unwise.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
10:48 am

There is no way that you will end up with Simmons and J. Upton in the same lineup. If the Braves are indeed to get J. Upton, it’s going to cost them Simmons in trade.

Wren has worked some magic in the past…. I’m counting on him doing it again. :)

I wish I knew more about Ahmed. Sounds like he’s still at least one or two years away from being ready. If he was knocking on the door then he could have either been used in a trade or to take over at SS for a traded Simmons. Bad timing.

I’m not ready to give up on the idea of getting Justin Upton yet… but then again, I’m still trying to angle for Stanton. Reality doesn’t get in my way.

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
10:49 am

I’m thinking the interest in Upton is a sign there is a move lined up for a big-time offensive leftfielder, unless they are going to go with a merely solid leftfielder and plan to go after Greinke ;)

Murph

November 16th, 2012
10:50 am

scoots, my lineup with Upton hitting 4th should have been more specific… that was Justin Upton in the 4 spot, BJ in the 6th.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
10:52 am

I’m thinking the interest in Upton is a sign there is a move lined up for a big-time offensive leftfielder

Willingham big-time or someone else big-time? What other big-time LF are out there and available (that we know of)?

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
10:52 am

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Hah.

nolie

November 16th, 2012
10:53 am

Upton is the better defender …shaun

Funny stuff. shaun, the ultimate sabergeek, totally ignoring all the metrics that say BJ sukks as a defender

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
10:53 am

Hitting Upton above 7th would be unwise… heck, anything above 8.

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
10:54 am

Why do folks assume Simmons would have to be involved in a trade for Justin Upton? The Diamondbacks have a shortstop prospect in Chris Owings who could be in the majors by the end of the 2013 season. I’m not at all saying the Braves and Diamondbacks are a match in a Justin Upton trade but I wouldn’t discounted it under the assumption that the D-Backs would want Simmons.

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
10:55 am

Upton is the better defender …shaun

Funny stuff. shaun, the ultimate sabergeek, totally ignoring all the metrics that say BJ sukks as a defender

nolie, where did I say Upton is a good defender? Did you even read the comment to which you are referring?

BravePack(FreeFan)

November 16th, 2012
10:55 am

Murph

That’s a pretty impressive line-up. Some kid on twitter asked BJ if he would ever want to play with his brother and he said he really would love that so let’s make it happen Wren.

Lemke’s Knuckler

That was a pretty funny comment at 10:34 more so because I agree with you.

Shaun

I’m on your side with Upton. I think he is going to only get better at his age and the 10 years of experience will only help. Let’s not forget what division he has played in for his whole career…one of the hardest year in, year out.

That was pretty funny comment at

P'cola Brave

November 16th, 2012
10:55 am

If Willingham and Upton are acquired I’d bat the lineup

Prado
Heyward
Freeman
Willingham
McCann
Upton
Uggla
Simmons
Pitcher

Of course McCann and Upton could be interchangeable.

nolie

November 16th, 2012
10:56 am

the trade for justin dream goes on and on…..

DAP

November 16th, 2012
10:56 am

i would hope that simmons is anchored to the 8-hole for now.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
10:57 am

There is no way that you will end up with Simmons and J. Upton in the same lineup. If the Braves are indeed to get J. Upton, it’s going to cost them Simmons in trade.

Maholm, JV, Ahmed, and maybe Delgado? or get some 3rd team to chip in a SS

Since when did a 105 career OPS+ (102 in last 4 years) and an OPS in the .740 range = a premium player???

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
10:59 am

Shaun @ 10:49 Hah! That’d be nice…

TheOnlyBravesFan, Upton is the better defender and better baserunner, plus with his body type and skill set, Upton is likely to age better.- Shaun (9:43, page 28)

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:01 am

Getting both Upton brothers would send a shockwave through the NL East, that’s for sure. I’m not holding out much hope for it, though. Signing BJ is one thing… the team has enough money to throw at him to get that done… it’s the trade for Justin that I don’t see happening. The D’backs know what they want in a trade, and it doesn’t seem like the Braves lineup all that well without getting another team involved.

At the very least we have something more fun to discuss than Cody freakin’ Ross for a week or so.

RC

November 16th, 2012
11:01 am

Maholm, JV, Ahmed, and maybe Delgado? or get some 3rd team to chip in a SS

Don’t you remember the Texas rumor? Atlanta IS the 3rd team. Arizona is apparently obsessed with Simmons….no way they are sending Upton to Atlanta without him as part of the deal (and no way is Wren giving up Simmons for Upton, I would think).

P'cola Brave

November 16th, 2012
11:02 am

TheOnlyBravesFan

Many people regard Bourn as a premium player and his career OPS+ is 90 (never had one over 103). His OPS is .704. I think everyone has a different opinion of a premium player.

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
11:04 am

TheOnlyBravesFan, Upton is the better defender and better baserunner, plus with his body type and skill set, Upton is likely to age better.- Shaun (9:43, page 28)

Yes, and to whom was I comparing Upton?

Where is any comment from me claiming Upton is a good defender? nolie? Anyone?

DAP

November 16th, 2012
11:05 am

if upton is the RH sock wren wants, and we get him, then we dont have to narrow our LF to a RH hitter. shin soo choo, andre eithier, could be options.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:08 am

That’s true RC, but that was in a deal for Texas. I doubt they want to block their future SS (Owings) so someone on a shorter deal like Asdrubal Cabrera, Barmes may appeal to them. And AZ apparently is taking calls on Bauer, so they’d send him to that 3rd team. We just send them the vet starter (Maholm or Hanson) and the LH reliever (JV or EOF). Just an idea.

There has to be a way to get Olt w/out costing Simba though. He’s blocked, and AZ probably doesn’t need him either. They’ve got another prospect getting ready for 3B, I believe.

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
11:10 am

if upton is the RH sock wren wants, and we get him, then we dont have to narrow our LF to a RH hitter. shin soo choo, andre eithier, could be options.

Would you want to go pricey at both OF spots, though? Seems as if that might be a limiting factor, at least, a little.

BravePack(FreeFan)

November 16th, 2012
11:11 am

Guy guys guys(especially TOBF) let’s take it easy on the Bossman Jr bashing as I’m sure he has already been parusing DOB’s blog to gauge who has the better and more respectful fans. If he reads all the hate he might pick the Phillties and we will be stuck with Cody f’n Ross. Let’s save the bashing for after he signs on the dotted line.

raleighbravefan

November 16th, 2012
11:13 am

Shaun – My “stupid” comment was not concerning BJ. It has to do with the MVP “controvesy”…. And you obviously DO think that those of us who may disagree with your opinion ARE stupid, at least concerning this matter.

Slowhiteguy

November 16th, 2012
11:17 am

I would take BJ Upton’s age and ceiling to Bourn’s especialy when considering the cost involved. Upton is a better fit for this club when taking everything into consideration. Uggla-Upton-Prado from right side, Freeman-Mac-Heyward from the left. Nicely balanced lineup. Upton trending upward, Bourn sideways.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:17 am

Cody Ross (full-time or in a platoon with Juan) may be better than BJ! Cheaper too…

Yeah, that was Uggla you were talking about Shaun :oops: But I’d be willing to bet that Uggla is a better defender and baserunner than him. Only edge that BJ has is speed.

DAP

November 16th, 2012
11:20 am

scoots Would you want to go pricey at both OF spots, though? Seems as if that might be a limiting factor, at least, a little.

you might could, if it was a short commitment in LF. choo, for instance, wont be much more expensive than willingham, and he only has one more season before free agency.

Tumbledown

November 16th, 2012
11:20 am

Forget the MVP debate or the B.J. Upton talk, it appears that the Hostess Twinkie is no more!! Actually, I cannot remember when I last had one.

Tumbledown

November 16th, 2012
11:22 am

While a dream, it is more fun trying to figure out how to get Stanton from the Marlins.

DAP

November 16th, 2012
11:25 am

if you believe dWAR than ufggla is a better defender than upton. but both can be considered average.

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
11:28 am

you might could, if it was a short commitment in LF. choo, for instance, wont be much more expensive than willingham, and he only has one more season before free agency.

Gotcha. Good point re short-term.

If Upton does sign, maybe it’s time to re-visit our buds over in KC on Gordon or Moustakas, or even Wil Myers. Dazzle ‘em with a pitching bounty or something.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:31 am

If Upton does sign, maybe it’s time to re-visit our buds over in KC on Gordon or Moustakas, or even Wil Myers. Dazzle ‘em with a pitching bounty or something.

I like the way you think.

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

November 16th, 2012
11:34 am

I just don’t believe the BJ Upton thing. This is front office Kabuki for the benefit of (probably) the Twins and Phillies. BJ’s not the Braves’ kind of guy. Does’t pass the smell test.

BravePack(FreeFan)

November 16th, 2012
11:34 am

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:17 am
Cody Ross (full-time or in a platoon with Juan) may be better than BJ! Cheaper too…

TOBF

I’ve been with you on most of your statements but this one is really showing your age. Simply a inaccurate statement. I can’t be on board with this one…at all.

ncscoots

I like your idea of calling up our buddies at KC and would be happy with any of those 3 players. Surely we could get one of them for our pitching which they desperately need. I think Wren already has something lined up and is just waiting for Bossman Jr’s decision.

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

November 16th, 2012
11:37 am

And by the way, the smell test metric is SmT+. Look it up.

BravePack(FreeFan)

November 16th, 2012
11:39 am

Enquiring

I thought the same thing but I don’t believe the Braves would waste their time to bring him in for a day if this was a smokescreen. They want this guy I think. I can see a trade being hard to work out with the way teams ask for way too much these days so signing a young RH bat may be the way to go.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:39 am

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Dang…

I’ve always been for a trade for Gordon or Myers… turning scoots over to my side.

I just don’t believe the BJ Upton thing. This is front office Kabuki for the benefit of (probably) the Twins and Phillies. BJ’s not the Braves’ kind of guy. Does’t pass the smell test.

That’d be great, but he’s already visited his 2 biggest suitors. Unless the Nats get interested, I’m betting Frank would be able to sign him. I feel that the Phillies would be bigger on Swisher or Hamilton

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
11:42 am

I like the way you think.

Still, the Royals weren’t exactly an offensive powerhouse last year, with Hosmer and Moustakas both having off years. They might not feel that their offense can take the hit, if they deal from the ML roster. Hard to say.

jbill

November 16th, 2012
11:43 am

Does Schafer pass the smell test?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

November 16th, 2012
11:44 am

BravePack, you don’t convince anyone you’re serious unless you have that meeting. If anything comes of it I’ll eat my hat with candy sprinkles on it.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:46 am

Still, the Royals weren’t exactly an offensive powerhouse last year, with Hosmer and Moustakas both having off years. They might not feel that their offense can take the hit, if they deal from the ML roster.

Well, I do feel bad for them and all… ok, we’ll go ahead and take Myers so as to not deplete their offense at the MLB level. I guess.

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

November 16th, 2012
11:47 am

Schafer doesn’t cost much. Upton will.

David from Athens, Alabama

November 16th, 2012
11:47 am

This morning on Hot Stove, Peter Gammons said the Braves brought in Upton last night for meeting, but he then said they have talked a lot to the Rockies about acqiuring Dexter Fowler and could go in that direction. Rockies are looking for pitching and he said the Braves have pitching. Fowler would come with a lower price tag than Upton which would allow for a more premium LF’er.

Braves tried to acquire Fowler last year too.

One other point that may be relevant– Dexter just got married… and his new wife resides where? Atlanta.

Fowler changed Agents recently. He left Boras and is represented by Casey Close

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:48 am

If anything comes of it I’ll eat my hat with candy sprinkles on it.

You have a hat with candy sprinkles on it? Seriously? And I thought the camo team hats were bad… I’m not confident enough to show up at the ballpark with a candy sprinkle hat on.

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2012
11:48 am

I just don’t believe the BJ Upton thing. This is front office Kabuki for the benefit of (probably) the Twins and Phillies. BJ’s not the Braves’ kind of guy. Does’t pass the smell test. — Enquiring Minds

They don’t bring guys to town for visits and tours of the ballparks, etc, as part of some dog-and-pony show to drive up their price for other teams. They might leak that they have interest in this player or that for those purposes (as do most teams), but the Braves don’t bring guys to town for free-agent visits unless very serious and ready to make an offer to said player.

They are very serious about Upton. I think there’s a good chance it gets done, and sooner than later.

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
11:48 am

ok, we’ll go ahead and take Myers so as to not deplete their offense at the MLB level.

I think the Rays reportedly offered Matt Moore for the guy. You willing to give up Minor?

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:52 am

Dexter Fowler last season: .300/.389/.474/.863… 13 HR… 11 3B… 18 2B… hits well against lefties and righties, although most of his power comes against righties.

Hits well in the leadoff spot, does well with RISP.

Works for me.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:53 am

Fowler? Meh… Span cheaper?

Minor for Myers? Sign me up. Minor, Teheran, and Spruill. Take ‘em.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
11:53 am

I think the Rays reportedly offered Matt Moore for the guy. You willing to give up Minor?

For Myers? Yup.

CB

November 16th, 2012
11:53 am

scoots,I would in a heartbeat. Then duck Lew. :-)

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
11:54 am

Works for me.

Think ole Dex’ has a pretty horrific Coors Effect, Murph.

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

November 16th, 2012
11:54 am

No Murph, the candy sprinkles have to be added. History has shown I can eat anything that has candy sprinkles.

And DOB is telling me I’d better go ahead and get them out of the cupboard.

Playoffs!!!

November 16th, 2012
11:55 am

Didn’t see any AJC article about Braves courting BJ Upton. Maybe it just made the paper addition . I think the Braves will be outbid for Upton.
I prefer Fowler or Victarino.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
11:57 am

Cheaper to acquire I mean (for Span)… Fowler’s Coors splits scare me… though he has gotten then more respectable on the road the last 2 years

.262/.339/.381/.720 in ‘12, .286/.367/.415/.782 in ‘11

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

So, Minor for Myers gives you no pause at all, huh? I think you probably have to add there, as well, probably a choice of the two kids, and that still leaves them with Francoeur in the OF. Maybe that’s why they haven’t moved him for Moore, LOL.

Frankly, if Matt Moore left them on the fence, Mike Minor is not going to dazzle them. Gotta up the ante.

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
12:01 pm

Aside from 2010, Fowler has performed to at least a .717 OPS on the road.. (.717, .595, .782, .720). He may not be as great as he was in Colorado, but I guess he can still be a solid option. That’s about what Bourn OPSd while he was here.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:03 pm

DOB-

Agreed! And Frank sure as hell doesn’t go on local GA radio stations and bring up names as a smoke screen “just in case” someone is listening….

This isn’t a Tony LaRussa I’m smarter than you so I’ll do 5 million things to throw you off type of scenario…

Upton is the #1 target….

That said, who do you think is a possibility for LF? —- I think BP hit one on the head and I’ll give him credit as he first mentioned this WEEKS ago….Alex Gordon…..I’m sure it’d take a whole lot for KC to part w/ him, but he’d be a really great candidate and fit in LF well…..Span would be another option as well…..as we know w/ Upton, we would still need that leadoff hitter unless we do as Frank suggested and bat Simba there….

David O'Brien

November 16th, 2012
12:04 pm

This morning on Hot Stove, Peter Gammons said the Braves brought in Upton last night for meeting, but he then said they have talked a lot to the Rockies about acqiuring Dexter Fowler and could go in that direction. Rockies are looking for pitching and he said the Braves have pitching. Fowler would come with a lower price tag than Upton which would allow for a more premium LF’er.

Braves tried to acquire Fowler last year too.

One other point that may be relevant– Dexter just got married… and his new wife resides where? Atlanta.David from Athens, Ala.

I’ve tried to explain to folks that Wren has a lot of irons in the fire this winter, but because the Braves haven’t already made a big move by mid-November — and how many teams really have except the again-imploding Fish? — some here and on Twitter are apparently convinced the brass is spending the winter playing golf or chatting in the Braves office lounge at Turner Field.

Yes, they’ve inquired about Fowler, and about Span, and they expressed interest in Torii Hunter, and brought in Upton last night (and will sign him if he’s ready before they sign or trade for another CF), and also checked into the likes of Cody Ross and some others who may be affordable and may or may not be available. When you’ve got a couple of major needs like the Braves do this winter, and the resources to fill those needs as they do now, you damn sure make sure to have Plan A, B and C (and possibly D and E) lined up so you’re not left to pick from the Jan.-Feb. scrap heap that in the past has included the likes of Garret Anderson.

The Braves had no money when they signed Anderson to play left field, or when they signed Raul Mondesi. They’ve got some cash this winter, and plenty of trade pieces, too. They’re going to make sure they’re not left with no one to spend that cash on, or left with too many starting pitchers and not enough outfielders because they didn’t make a deal when they had a chance.

That said, it doesn’t much matter that Fowler or his wife are from Atlanta, for trade purposes. Because the Rockies would be the ones making the decision where he goes, not him, and if they trade him it’ll be to the team that offers them the best deal. Now, whether or not Fowler would re-sign with the Braves is a whole different matter, and that’s when he and his wife being from here could play in the Braves’ favor, for sure. But it’ll be three more seasons before he’s eligible for free agency.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:04 pm

Scoots-

Would you deal Hanson, Teheran, and Ahmed for Alex Gordon?

Wren & His Bargain Basement Approach

November 16th, 2012
12:04 pm

Once again Pretty Boy Frank Wren proves that he shops at the Goodwill and Salvation Army stores when looking for baseball players for the Atlanta Braves……..as long as he is here as GM we will continue to be a bargain BASEMENT baseball team…….he should be run out of Atlanta.

TennesseePaul

November 16th, 2012
12:04 pm

They are very serious about Upton. I think there’s a good chance it gets done, and sooner than later.

CF went from a .348 OBP to a .298. Awesome.

Could be the Braves believe their hitting coach dynamic duo will turn Atlanta into the hitting version of the 90’s pitching reclamations. Seems any and every pitcher who came through the doors back in those days played better when they got here, and then promptly tanked when the Yankees signed ‘em away. Maybe that’s the angle? The “we know how to unlock the potential” angle.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

Good points there DOB….and anyone who heard the Wren interview would have heard that he’s talked to close to 20 GM’s already and said he’s had more than 10 conversations about specific trades….

He’s not just sitting around drinking a Brandy and having a cigar…..although I’m sure you wish you were at this point having to respond to these ;-)

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
12:08 pm

I thought I was one of the first, if not the first, to bring up Gordon. Dunno… point is, I remember being told that he wasn’t a good fit for this team and too much to acquire. Look how it’s changed.

I’d do all of that and more, if necessary. Great defender, another Prado (though he did hit 23 HR 2 years ago). 50+ doubles last year, 300 hitter. Solves our LF through 2016 (and will “only” cost 12.5mil that year), and we know it’d be great to have a long-term solution there.

ncscoots

November 16th, 2012
12:08 pm

Would you deal Hanson, Teheran, and Ahmed for Alex Gordon?

I think that’s probably too much, but it depends on how Hanson and Teheran are valued by the Royals.

But, down in my bones, I can’t make myself believe that the Braves would trade two pitchers of their top seven in one deal. That’s putting a couple of toes out on the ledge.

Slowhiteguy

November 16th, 2012
12:10 pm

Thank you DOB…well said as usual. I remember last year, and the year before that, and the year before that…the November panic. Breathe everyone.

Slowhiteguy

November 16th, 2012
12:12 pm

Royals don’t need a young ss…they have plenty of those.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:13 pm

Slowhiteguy

“Thank you DOB…well said as usual. I remember last year, and the year before that, and the year before that…the November panic. Breathe everyone.”

Co-Sign! For all the people who think this blog is crazy? Check out the Philly.com/Phillies Forum, They are on Mental Breakdown Watch, Ripping for Ruben Amaro to do Something

TennesseePaul

November 16th, 2012
12:15 pm

Nearly 3 yrs later, #Braves still waiting for prospect Edward Salcedo to flourish

The distinction between Salcedo and Gattis. Salcedo is young, but has not achieved much in three years of low level ball playing. Gattis is older, but has progressed well in his three years of ball, moving up through the system. What intrigues me about Gattis is his story. His story delayed his career in ball. So he may be old, but he hasn’t been playing that long either. Had Gattis signed at 16, 18 or even 21 and was still in the minors 5 to 10 years later, I’d quickly write off much of all he has done. Much like I do with Biff. Kudos to Biff for winning the AAA batting title at 28 years old, after 8 seasons in the minors. Kudos.

old man

November 16th, 2012
12:18 pm

If Ahmed starts at SS on opening day, he will be younger than Simmons was when he started his first game.

This time last year, we were all saying that Simmons needed another year or so in the minors.

You never know.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:18 pm

Scoots-

Yeah, it was just a thought….

TOBF —- It was probably me who said it would never happen…and I still don’t think it will…..I think the opening in the roster for Myers comes via Francoeur’s removal….

I just can’t see them trading Gordon unless they get a haul….and thus why I mentioned who I did….and yeah, the Royals may not need a SS, but they could need a SS converted to 2B that can hit….

And frankly, who the heck else could I mention that isn’t a pitcher?!

Jerry

November 16th, 2012
12:18 pm

Hitting Upton above 7th would be unwise… heck, anything above 8. TOBF

So, if McCann and Uggla continue their hitting woes and we got Upton, we would have at least 3 players that shouldn’t hit above #8 in the order? Sounds like we are looking up to the future.

wheelz007

November 16th, 2012
12:21 pm

Thanks for the updates DOB.

Good strategy by Wren. He’s a bright and capable guy.

It is obvious to me, he is working hard to get 2 good players. That’s just what we need, IMO.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:21 pm

Scoots-

And it may very well be the case, but when I look at Delgado and the fact that Gilmartin and Spruill are fairly close and then you have Graham not far behind or maybe even closer and then you take into account that Beachy could be back by ASB….

Thats a whole lot put into 1 rotation slot giving the ability to take a gamble and deal 2 of them for 1 big necessary piece to the offense….especially if you could get a Gordon that could not only fill the LF spot admirably, BUT fill the leadoff slot as well….

Plus it rids us of the Tommy Hanson situation as well

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:22 pm

Word on The Streets (Philly.com) is That Upton Is looking to be Closer to his Home (5 Hour Drive) in Virginia, Not Good…Whats Plan B if he Goes to Philly???

Also Keep in mind that the Current Phillies hitting coach was his same Coach when he was Raking in TB a few years ago…

Thats whats Trending on Philly.com…But I need to get some 411 from Zolecki

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:24 pm

S/O to Jerry

You Must be Celebrating to be on here during the Afternoon??? :)

M.I.L.F.

(Man I Love Fridays)

Heath

November 16th, 2012
12:24 pm

I’d be Ok with an outfield of Upton (LF), Fowler (CF), and Heyward (RF). Sign me up for that.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
12:26 pm

Whats Plan B if he Goes to Philly???

Josh Hamilton, Evan Gattis, back to back to back World Series victories (with a team option for a 4th WS victory in a row).

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:26 pm

S/O

To Heath

Anyone on here other than me think that Upton’s power numbers will decline since he wont spend 120 games hitting at Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Camden Yards, The Trop and The Skydome? (Or Rogers Centre or whatever corporate name it is now, but it will always be the Skydome)

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:28 pm

@Murph…

I can Taste BJ!

But Hamiliton is number 1 on my X-mas list. If anything he will put cheeks in the seats, But im living Fantasies

And No team in the GAME will be able to F with our Squad if we had Hamiliton in our lineup…It would remind me of our 2003 Dynamate Squad! BOOM! SHOT-LOCK-BOOM!!!!!

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
12:30 pm

CF went from a .348 OBP to a .298. Awesome.

Wow. You can see in to the future? You already know that Upton, if he signs, is going to post a .298 OBP next season? Please, show me what magical device you have that allows you to see in to the future.

Upton’s BABIP last year: .294. His career BABIP: .322.

Career OBP: .336. Career SLG: .422

Tropicana Field is pitcher-friendly, something people may not realize but I’m sure the Braves do.

His career OPS+ is 105. Bourn’s career OPS+ is 90.

Bourn has probably already played most of his best seasons, since he’s going in to his age 30 season. Upton may have one or two more seasons ahead of him in which he will be as good or a little better than he has been at his best., since he’s going in to his age 28 season.

Upton of course is no where near the defensive player Bourn is and was. But he’s better offensively with the very real possibility of being significantly better over the next 3-5 years.

If we’re looking ahead, I think it’s likely Upton is going to be the best centerfielder over the next 3-5 years that is available in free agency or in a trade during this offseason.

When we look back a few years down the road, Upton is likely to end up being the best centerfielder that was available on the offseason-of-2012/2013 market. Not much more you can ask of the Braves than to go after the player who will likely be the best available. Now it’s just a matter of doing the same or near the same with their leftfield situation.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:31 pm

Heath

“I’d be Ok with an outfield of Upton (LF), Fowler (CF), and Heyward (RF). Sign me up for that.”

Co-Sign and best yet, Those ######## would be able to cover some Real Estate as Don Sutton Calls it…

And that would give us 3 Cats who can steal 20+ bases….

Heath

November 16th, 2012
12:32 pm

Tomahawkin:

Gotta look at it this way, his HR totals will be better than Chipper’s. Then Heyward, Freeman, Uggla and McCann will hit their fair share–team HRs will be aplenty…. So I’d be OK with 25-30 from BJ Upton. My concern really centers more around his negative OBP.

Murph

November 16th, 2012
12:33 pm

I can Taste BJ!

And I support you in your right to taste BJ’s, Tomahawkin’. Good for you, coming out on the blog like this. I’m sure it wasn’t easy for you, but I admire your courage.

Playoffs!!!

November 16th, 2012
12:34 pm

Why all the hate for Garret Anderson on this forum? What I remember from his tenure here is that after a slow start (injured in Spring Training) , he rallied to have a decent year. He was hitting in the .280-.290 (don’t remember is OBP or OPS, cyber geeks) and was doing well until Bobby Cox played him EVERY SINGLE DAY down the stretch—even day games after night games and he faded in September.
His last year in Aneheim he played more DH than leftfield—so I was surprised to see the Braves not give him some off days down the stretch.
He was far from being ready for the “scrap heap”

TheOnlyBravesFan

November 16th, 2012
12:35 pm

I like to think of BJ Upton as a .242/.316 guy. Even take out his 2012, his OBP his is .322 (.240 avg) (from 2009) The BJ Upton of 2007-8 hasn’t been seen for a long time. That guy hit for average, the current one doesn’t

carpengui

November 16th, 2012
12:39 pm

Question about Braves’ policies vs. a potential BJ Upton contract. I have to believe that Upton want this to be his best contract as a pro – and a long-term one at that. My own projection is that is would take $13-14m x 5 years just to get the conversation going and might require up to a seven year deal to actually land him.

I had thought the Braves had a policy in place limiting contracts to 4 or 5 years… is this the case? If so, how “firm” is that line?

[Longest contracts I can recall: Chipper's 6 year deal in 2000.]

George_George

November 16th, 2012
12:40 pm

Good day all
I don’t know what some of you are thinking. BJ UPTON, NO WAY. Past three years hit has hit .237, .243, .246. I would spend no big money on a outfielder who cannot hit for a .250 BA. BJ UPTON just what we need another outfielder like JASON who can hit for some power but not for ave. Yes I know JASON had desent BA last year, but that was unuseal.

old man

November 16th, 2012
12:40 pm

I said:

If Ahmed starts at SS on opening day, he will be younger than Simmons was when he started his first game. This time last year, we were all saying that Simmons needed another year or so in the minors. You never know.

I meant older.

old man

November 16th, 2012
12:40 pm

I would trade Simmons for Justin Upton.

Easy.

RC

November 16th, 2012
12:41 pm

Upton is represented by the same agency that Torii Hunter is represented by. The only reason I bring this up is that it does seem very possible that they won’t try to drag out the process, but decide on a team and come to terms relatively quickly. Looking at their list of clients I don’t see any other big names that have been free agents lately though, so there’s not really a lot of precedent to go on.

richbrave

November 16th, 2012
12:41 pm

old man
November 16th, 2012
12:18 pm

“……If Ahmed starts at SS on opening day, he will be younger than Simmons was when he started his first game.

This time last year, we were all saying that Simmons needed another year or so in the minors.

You never know……”

In my case, a year and a half.

I would prefer SIMMONS to AHMED if I had to choose now. AHMED acquited himself well in ARIZONA though, unlike SALCEDO.

DOB had a nice in-depth look at SALCEDO’s journey to this point as a BRAVE. Well worth reading for those that haven’t yet.

He is the antithesis of SIMMONS” quick study. That 1.6 million keeps pushing him along in the organization. We’ll see how the AFL experience improves his play in PEARL RIVER as one of Terry’s Pirates next season [TERRY and the PIRATES is an old comic strip reference].

At the rate he’s going a year in MISSISSIPPI with fair results should see him moved to GWINNETT in 2014 prolly for at least two season’s. If SALCEDO pans out, it looks to me, he arrives in ATLANTA sometime during the 2016 season.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:41 pm

Playoffs!!!

“Why all the hate for Garret Anderson on this forum? What I remember from his tenure here is that after a slow start (injured in Spring Training) , he rallied to have a decent year. He was hitting in the .280-.290 (don’t remember is OBP or OPS, cyber geeks) and was doing well until Bobby Cox played him EVERY SINGLE DAY down the stretch—even day games after night games and he faded in September.
His last year in Aneheim he played more DH than leftfield—so I was surprised to see the Braves not give him some off days down the stretch.
He was far from being ready for the “scrap heap”

He got ripped on here because Everyone and They Mama on here (Myself Included), had wayyy too high expectations for him…Hence the fact that he was Dubbed “Loaf”

Jerry

November 16th, 2012
12:42 pm

I can Taste BJ!

And I support you in your right to taste BJ’s, Tomahawkin’. Good for you, coming out on the blog like this. I’m sure it wasn’t easy for you, but I admire your courage.

T-Hawkin, sorry but you fell right into that one. Must watch your wording in the future. :-)

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:43 pm

Shaun-

Good points there…

Oh, and for whoever brought up closer to home scenario….remember we had this issue w/ AJ Burnett and he chose further away….

Also, Norfolk is a 1 hour flight to ATL…..I am pretty certain BJ isn’t driving with the contract he’s going to get :lol:

BJ Upton is ATL isnt going to be as bad as he’s been at some points in TB….and he surely is going to be an upgrade to the revolving door we have had in the OF.

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:43 pm

It only took a month during the 2009 season for fans on here to start Calling Carrett Anderson, “Loaf”

RHR started it and it Blew up….

Shaun

November 16th, 2012
12:45 pm

It’s pretty amazing how many folks with an opinion on BJ Upton are ignoring Tropicana Field.

P-Town Brave ©

November 16th, 2012
12:45 pm

As far as tasting “BJs”….

Well, Anderson Cooper came out this year….so more power to you….but I’m sure you’re late to that party if you live in the ATL area :lol:

Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)

November 16th, 2012
12:45 pm

Jerry

I can Taste BJ!

And I support you in your right to taste BJ’s, Tomahawkin’. Good for you, coming out on the blog like this. I’m sure it wasn’t easy for you, but I admire your courage.”

“T-Hawkin, sorry but you fell right into that one. Must watch your wording in the future.”

You make a Good Point, I need to start keeping it PG-13 and watch my language around X-Mas time, since I will be around kids, I need to watch My Mouth, Its Effing Filthy!

tony austin

November 16th, 2012
12:45 pm

Oh good, Fowler, another high strike out performer. Per http://www.baseball-reference.com Fowler has a 162 game average of 143 Ks. Upton, 171. C Ross, 128.

Span is the best of the group at 88.

I hate the strikeout with a passion, the worst out in baseball.

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