Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Upton’s meeting w/ the Braves lasted more than three hours. Free agents have said Frank Wren and his staff are impressive in these settings
They really need to keep the well paved parking and raze a few shady blocks around the area.
Hey, they put up some nice row houses on the other side of the stadium for the Olympics when the stadium was constructed and they are still shaky about the area.
At least with the Dome and the Phillips Arena, I can get off MARTA and go straight to where I need to go.
It was a mistake not putting a MARTA line to the stadium. Would make it a safer trek.
I really do not know if an Atlantic Station development can work unless you raze some stuff around there. Why get rid of the parking lots — they might run more people off.
This city has to fix its water system first and above all but as a sports fan all rational thoughts are off when it comes to sports entertainment venues.
Yep, and unless we’re getting his brother, Olt, or Willy, I hope that the other OF is a CF. A guy who can lead off and doesnt . We lost a guy who walked more than he Ks adn a guy who whiffed too much for our liking, but still took walks. If BJ is gotten, that other guy better be a total masher, or someone who can get more BBs than Ks
I didn’t hear the radio interview Wren gave to Bill Shanks, and although I generally find Bill “Jason Heyward doesn’t love baseball” Shanks to be a hack, I did see on Twitter than @fauxfrankwren mentioned that real Frank Wren said Simmons could be a leadoff candidate if they don’t acquire a leadoff guy in CF or LF/3b.
Not a big fan of the idea, but better they go after best available bats (such as Upton) than shoehorn ourselves into focusing on a “proven leadoff guy” (r)
Wow, got to say that I’m actually impressed that the writers did the right thing on Braun with MVP voting. I think Posey was the right choice, but happy to see that now writers had Braun lower than 4th on their ballots.
Whoa, just noticed something about MVP voting. Since AJC policy prevents DOB from voting on awards (totally not his fault), the writers association “assigned” the ATL votes to Jon Heyman and Tom Verducci! COME ON AJC, your ridiculous policy is giving these idiots a vote!!!!
Got news for you bloggers, if we get BJ Upton, he’ll bat cleanup between Heyward and Freeman. (it won’t be Uggla) But I really don’t see the Braves getting him
Their UZR is similar. Upton is just over a +3 and San is just over +4. Haven’t watched Span enough defensively to judge with my eyes. Either way whether it be left field or center I’d like to see Span in this lineup.
I believe nolie or Lew has posted a defensive ranking list for CFer’s a few times and Span was only a few spots behind Bourn who had a huge gap for runs saved.
BJ Upton doesn’t really fill a exact need, cause he’s not a lead off man, and not really a middle of the order bat either. We really need someone that can bat 4th or 5th. You could say that BJ is basically Dan Uggla with speed… 240 AVG 320 OBP isn’t the type of numbers you want batting 4th or 5th or 1st… Still a solid player with room for improvement, solid D, 20+ HR power, 30+ SB ability is nice.
Past 2 seasons (Average)
Dan Uggla 227/329/421/750 OPS+103 28 HR 80 RBI 26 2B 162 K
If they add Upton then they will still need a leadoff. Not adding the middle of the order bat we all want says to me that they are counting on Uggla figuring it out next year.
He finally listened to me on Prado years ago. No seriously, he does read it….Dadgum
listened to you? I don’t remember seeing your name back when Prado was still in AAA and I was getting kicked around for saying he would be a good starting player when everybody said he was a mediocre scrub at best. I wish I could get back to those days on the blof so I could revisit all those folks who now claim to have been staunch supporters from the beginning.
huh? not even close. Span was third best in the MLB last season, Upton didn’t make the first half. has in fact had negative numbers for years, sometimes very negative.
Upton’s tools are just threw the roof which is why he’s ranked so high on free agent list and such. A good amount believe he can get back to 2007-08 form.
In those 2 seasons BJ produced (Average Year) 286/384/452/836 31 2B 16 HR 74 RBI 33 SB
Since then he’s been consistent at being a 240/320 hitter…. He just hasn’t turned his tools into results and is basically just a solid player, when many seen him as a star.
for some God forsaken reason he has a rep some places as a good defender, if we get him just watch him closely all year, unless he totally changes his attitude and approach if you really know anything about scouting defense you will see it ain’t warranted
he does have great upside which is why so many Tampa fans are so disappointed with him, he has not come close to playing at a high level . if in fact he does finally play up to it he will be a force, so far he has not been
If his upside was so great you would think that you would have seen it by age 28.
I can see why Tampa fans see him as an underachiever cause he has the tools to be great.
Should the Braves go for him. What makes me sketchy on him is the number of yrs you have to commit to him.
It it were 2. 3 yrs you can live with a contract like that. Six yrs, that is alot of $$$$$$$$, and if it don;t work, it will not be easy to pull off a Red Sox salary move to the Dodgers like they did last yr.
If they do choose BJ, than they really should go for a very high OBP guy for the other OF position.
In Fielding Bible BJ has ranked between 18th and 33rd in runs saved over the years. Now metrics are by no means the ultimate determining factor, but they are good enough that if they say a guy is a great defender every year then he is at least pretty good, and if they say that a guy is a poor defender every year , then he ain’t pretty good
“Since then he’s been consistent at being a 240/320 hitter…. He just hasn’t turned his tools into results and is basically just a solid player, when many seen him as a star.”
Sort of Francoeurish with more ovearll tools.
Seems like he wanted to be a HR hitter than a great all round player.
he does have great tools Disgusted, but he has failed so far to develop them into correspondingly good skills. Even as much as I have been disappointed in him I will say that if he puts it together with a new approach and a better attitude he might be a great pickup offensively
Why would Prado agree to an extension this year, when putting up similar numbers in 2013, would allow him to fill-in the numbers on the check. Keep in mind the additional TV money the Braves receive next year
If you add another left-handed hitter like Span, Braves hitters will see more lefthanded pitching (again) and it will hurt the numbers of both Freeman and Heyward. It did this year and it will again if we get lefthanded heavy in our lineup. And it really hurts slugging percentage.
We led the NL in lefty innings plitched against our hitters.
C’mon you gotta know that’s the Braves’ weakness
Span hits lefties well, I don’t think he would necessarily be an incentive for them to start a lefty, though they already have reason to do so with Freeman, Heyward, Mac and Uggla. If Span hit leadoff I don’t think it would matter because of him.
So BJ Upton has visited Turner Field? Well all Wren needs to do is trade for Gordon and I’m the winner. Not sure how I feel about Upton because I would rather have Hamilton for another 5 mil more. I thought this night have been a smokescreen but not anymore if they took the time to fly him in. I still think Upton is too much of a wild card for this team and is too inconsistent. If you are going to spend 15 mil on a player he better produce. Like I said I prefer Hamilton and still hope that is the way Wren goes. Let the Phillthies sign him. I’m not a big fan of players who don’t hustle either.
I would prefer Hamilton too, and I gotta admit that I seem to have been wrong with the idea that they would have no interest in him, but I still think I will be right about them not signing him
You would definitely see more lefty pitchers with more lefty hitters in our lineup. I didn’t include McCann in the equation because he probably will sit against some lefty starters and probably won’t be in lineup til May anyway. And I don’t see McCann here after this year. If we get Span, he would be here a couple years at least, from what I read.
Heyward and Freeman are our two studs. We need to keep opposing managers from seeing three or four lefthanded hitters in our lineup and think they need to throw and extra lefty at us
Phillies have Lee and Hamels; Mets have Santana and Neise’ Nationals have Gonzalez and another lefty starters (forget his name)
We do NOT need to get more lefthanded
Besides the first week or two of the season teams don’t match up their starters based on opponent. Granted there is plenty of LH pitchers in our division, the only time there would really be match ups would be late in game and if Freeman and Heyward are hitting back to back your going to see the LH reliever Span or no Span.
We need to keep opposing managers from seeing three or four lefthanded hitters in our lineup and think they need to throw and extra lefty at us
Phillies have Lee and Hamels; Mets have Santana and Neise’ Nationals have Gonzalez and another lefty starters (forget his name)
We do NOT need to get more lefthanded
Yeah, the onlly reason the Phillies would use Lee or Hamels is because they are left-handed…..
We are going to see a lot of lefty pitchers because there are a lot in our division. Managers are not going to change their rotations around just to match up with the Braves though….which pitchers we face will depend on who’s turn it is in the rotation.
we saw way more lefties than any other team in baseball last season , I think maybe at times they did make some effort to make sure we faced one last season, but I don’t see Span as another reason to. course one never knows….
Could have just been by chance. I don’t remember any team altering their rotation to move up or delay their LH starter. We just seemed to run into them often.
I have no idea why they think Simmons will get on base enough to lead off, I’m not saying that he definitely won’t but I see no reason to expect that he will either
Just you tubed BJ Upton highlights and didn’t see many defensive highlights on there but one thing I did like was his swing. Has a nice swing, good power and ball seems to jump off his bat. Has a nice easy swing. Also seems like a laid back, soft spoken kid but obviously has some fire on the field as evident when he gets emotional out there, sometimes too much at times. Maybe he tones it down playing for a team like the Braves. The kid has skills that much is clear.
if the Braves sign BJ Upton, I bet they have a trade or two lined up to address either LF or 3B. They still would have their pitching surplus and they will need a more affordable player as the second addition to the team. Span or Willingham from the Twins, Moustakis or Gordon from KC, Headley from San Diego, and of course I cannot leave out the ever availble Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins
Upton has reached the 30 stolen base mark and the 30 double mark and should reach the 30 HR mark now that he has reached his Man Strength age of 28. 30/30/30 and I will find a place on my team for you to play.
Dayton Moore needs pitching and could pry Hanson and Teheran or Delgado from the Braves for Gordon or Moustakis as well as likely other prospects.
Seems like that trade would serve Moore’s needs well. Hanson could use a restart and in the obscurity of Kansas City, that may be the scenery he needs. KC needs a top young pitching prospect and Teheran could use some fresh teaching. Depending on who we get from KC they could easily squeeze another prospect out of Wren
I’d take mediocre CF play coupled with B.J. Upton’s crappy OBP, power, and baserunning ability over Bourn any day of the week. I just wouldn’t want to see him coupled with a Cody Ross (he of the .324 career OBP) signing.
I still can almost guarantee one signing and one trade so if the Brave do sign Upton the other position they fill will be through a trade. I would love to see pry Gordon away from KC. Excellent numbers as a lead off hitter.
Gordon
Prado
Heyward
Upton
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Pretty strong offensive line up right there and solid defensively as well.
I still can almost guarantee one signing and one trade so if the Brave do sign Upton the other position they fill will be through a trade. I would love to see pry Gordon away from KC. Excellent numbers as a lead off hitter.
Gordon
Prado
Heyward
Upton
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Pretty strong offensive line up right there and solid defensively as well. Obviously you could flip flop some pieces depending on who is hitting well.
If Texas really wants Simmons to try and pry away Justin Upton or someone I would try to trade Simmons and a pitcher such as Hanson for some of their prospects – Olt, Perez, and Sardinas are good for starters.
Basically I would love a chance to try and rob Texas of their farm much as they did to us back in the day.
I think everyone would take Ross over Laird but Boston doubled his salary at age 36 and basically offered him a platoon job w/ Salty. It was a better fit for him than returning to ATL. Laird is probably the next best option. Similar to Ross is regarded as a team leader and great clubhouse guy. Probably why the Braves signed him
it was a good move for Ross. Wouldn’t surprise me if Ross comes back to the Braves in a backup role in 2 years after playing a ton of catcher for the Red Sox over the next 2 years.
Braves couldn’t match playing time and the Braves did not want to match the salary
Hello everyone! It is true that Braves met ith B.J. Upton. They wined, and Dined, and It went well. It’s looks good, but we will see. It’s looking like there is a possibility that B.J. ccould be a Brave? Fredi, was there too at the Meeting.
meant to say with B.J, upton, and I would be thrilled to have him on the Braves. There is nothing, as of late on Cody Ross, but Braves would like him in LF, and move Prado to 3rd base. Only time can tell on Cody Ross.
I’d back up on either of the UPTON’s based on what I’ve heard about their ‘tude. Don’t know them or their family personally so i couldn’t say for certain how they would fit in the BRAVES clubhouse however.
All, have a good one! Talk tomorrow some time? richbrave thanks for all the farm reports, and updates. Keep up the good work my friend. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Not a fan of BJ Upton. IF the braves can get him at a “bargain” then maybe. But his numbers especially obp are below awful. We can always bank on the “change of scenery” to improve performance.
“I didn’t really have any expectations in the offseason for any teams,” he said. “My agent said, ‘You don’t want to get your hopes up if there is somewhere you really want to go, let’s just wait to see who calls.’ There was a lot of interest. A lot of teams called, which was really humbling for me, some of the teams that called, especially with the Red Sox and how upfront they were with me. That was really a nice experience to be a backup most of your career. … I think the playing time for me is going to be kind of a split. I don’t know if it’s going to be matchups or whatever. But they told me I’m going to be more than a backup. I’m not going to be the starter, I’m not going to be catching six days a week. But that’s not why I signed there. I signed there because of how I was treated, and obviously they put their best foot forward financially, too.”
I can see the braves signing upton to a contract today or even this weekend…. I think the braves just want to start to figure out where this team is going to head…. I think the braves will also sign victorino as well
I’d back up on either of the UPTON’s based on what I’ve heard about their ‘tude. Don’t know them or their family personally so i couldn’t say for certain how they would fit in the BRAVES clubhouse however.
Surely, the team would do their due diligence on that aspect, wouldn’t they? Considering their organizational philosophy on such things? Hard to believe that they would commit FA dollars and years to someone they fear might become toxic. Plus, it seems to me that particular clubhouse could police that kind of thing as well as any.
Despite the guy’s underperformance and the rumors of his lackadaisical play, those tools he has could still make your heart go thump, I guess. I don’t know if that’s enough to get you to the altar or not.
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ncbravesfan90
November 15th, 2012
9:20 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Upton’s meeting w/ the Braves lasted more than three hours. Free agents have said Frank Wren and his staff are impressive in these settings
Disgusted
November 15th, 2012
9:24 pm
They really need to keep the well paved parking and raze a few shady blocks around the area.
Hey, they put up some nice row houses on the other side of the stadium for the Olympics when the stadium was constructed and they are still shaky about the area.
At least with the Dome and the Phillips Arena, I can get off MARTA and go straight to where I need to go.
It was a mistake not putting a MARTA line to the stadium. Would make it a safer trek.
I really do not know if an Atlantic Station development can work unless you raze some stuff around there. Why get rid of the parking lots — they might run more people off.
Disgusted
November 15th, 2012
9:26 pm
This city has to fix its water system first and above all but as a sports fan all rational thoughts are off when it comes to sports entertainment venues.
Dadgum.....
November 15th, 2012
9:27 pm
Just as an FYI…..Frank Wren does read the blog. On occasion. He finally listened to me on Prado years ago. No seriously, he does read it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
9:30 pm
“Still need another OF”
Yep, and unless we’re getting his brother, Olt, or Willy, I hope that the other OF is a CF. A guy who can lead off and doesnt . We lost a guy who walked more than he Ks adn a guy who whiffed too much for our liking, but still took walks. If BJ is gotten, that other guy better be a total masher, or someone who can get more BBs than Ks
Trader Jack
November 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
Didn’t they try some sort of entertainment venue at Turner Field that didn’t pan out?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
I have a bad feeling that Wren will be making an offer tomorrow or Saturday… we’ll get the news that BJ is signing on Monday.
Goodness, please help me. I wish it were a dream
RC
November 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
I didn’t hear the radio interview Wren gave to Bill Shanks, and although I generally find Bill “Jason Heyward doesn’t love baseball” Shanks to be a hack, I did see on Twitter than @fauxfrankwren mentioned that real Frank Wren said Simmons could be a leadoff candidate if they don’t acquire a leadoff guy in CF or LF/3b.
Not a big fan of the idea, but better they go after best available bats (such as Upton) than shoehorn ourselves into focusing on a “proven leadoff guy” (r)
RC
November 15th, 2012
9:37 pm
Wow, got to say that I’m actually impressed that the writers did the right thing on Braun with MVP voting. I think Posey was the right choice, but happy to see that now writers had Braun lower than 4th on their ballots.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
From “go out and just play better defense than Rev” to “leadoff hitter” based on 49 games?
Still question his bat… very Francoeurish swing
RC
November 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
And much as I love Kimbrel, him getting a 2nd place vote is ridiculous. The fact he finished 8th in the MVP voting is simply sad.
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
9:43 pm
Denard Span seems like he’d be a great addition to the lineup. Doesn’t K much and gets on at a nice clip.
RC
November 15th, 2012
9:43 pm
From “go out and just play better defense than Rev” to “leadoff hitter” based on 49 games? Still question his bat… very Francoeurish swing
I don’t see Francoeur at all….his swing was not contact oriented. Contact is one thing that Simmons is very good at….it’s the power that’s a question.
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
9:47 pm
I’d be pretty happy with BJ Upton in LF with Span in CF.
CF Span
3B Prado
RF Heyward
1B Freeman
LF Upton
C McCann
2B Uggla
SS Simmons
RC
November 15th, 2012
9:47 pm
Whoa, just noticed something about MVP voting. Since AJC policy prevents DOB from voting on awards (totally not his fault), the writers association “assigned” the ATL votes to Jon Heyman and Tom Verducci! COME ON AJC, your ridiculous policy is giving these idiots a vote!!!!
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
9:52 pm
VaBraves
Isn’t Upton a better defender than Span in CF?
Playoffs!!!
November 15th, 2012
9:53 pm
Got news for you bloggers, if we get BJ Upton, he’ll bat cleanup between Heyward and Freeman. (it won’t be Uggla) But I really don’t see the Braves getting him
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
9:55 pm
I believe Span is much better than Upton in CF.
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
9:59 pm
VaBravesFan
Their UZR is similar. Upton is just over a +3 and San is just over +4. Haven’t watched Span enough defensively to judge with my eyes. Either way whether it be left field or center I’d like to see Span in this lineup.
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
10:01 pm
I believe nolie or Lew has posted a defensive ranking list for CFer’s a few times and Span was only a few spots behind Bourn who had a huge gap for runs saved.
Dadgum.....
November 15th, 2012
10:02 pm
Span is better defensively but we aren’t getting both. Unless Upton agrees to a position switch. Spann doesn’t project out as a LF at all.
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
10:19 pm
BJ Upton doesn’t really fill a exact need, cause he’s not a lead off man, and not really a middle of the order bat either. We really need someone that can bat 4th or 5th. You could say that BJ is basically Dan Uggla with speed… 240 AVG 320 OBP isn’t the type of numbers you want batting 4th or 5th or 1st… Still a solid player with room for improvement, solid D, 20+ HR power, 30+ SB ability is nice.
Past 2 seasons (Average)
Dan Uggla 227/329/421/750 OPS+103 28 HR 80 RBI 26 2B 162 K
BJ Upton 244/315/441/756 OPS+111 26 HR 80 RBI 28 2B 165 K
Think about it… Uggla is basically our 7th hitter at this point. Only thing Upton does better is run and field.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:19 pm
BJ Upton would play CF, and does it quite well to be sure.ncBraves
nah he doesn’t i watch him all the time, he hasn’t played even average D in years. lazy play and stupid routes
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
nolie
exactly, most people view Upton being better in a corner, just like Adam Jones.
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
VaBraves
If they add Upton then they will still need a leadoff. Not adding the middle of the order bat we all want says to me that they are counting on Uggla figuring it out next year.
ncbravesfan90
November 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
“nah he doesn’t i watch him all the time, he hasn’t played even average D in years. lazy play and stupid routes”
Braves front office must see something very different as it appears they are in hot pursuit of him.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
He finally listened to me on Prado years ago. No seriously, he does read it….Dadgum
listened to you? I don’t remember seeing your name back when Prado was still in AAA and I was getting kicked around for saying he would be a good starting player when everybody said he was a mediocre scrub at best. I wish I could get back to those days on the blof so I could revisit all those folks who now claim to have been staunch supporters from the beginning.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:26 pm
Isn’t Upton a better defender than Span in CF?
huh? not even close. Span was third best in the MLB last season, Upton didn’t make the first half. has in fact had negative numbers for years, sometimes very negative.
VaBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
10:27 pm
Upton’s tools are just threw the roof which is why he’s ranked so high on free agent list and such. A good amount believe he can get back to 2007-08 form.
In those 2 seasons BJ produced (Average Year) 286/384/452/836 31 2B 16 HR 74 RBI 33 SB
Since then he’s been consistent at being a 240/320 hitter…. He just hasn’t turned his tools into results and is basically just a solid player, when many seen him as a star.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:29 pm
for some God forsaken reason he has a rep some places as a good defender, if we get him just watch him closely all year, unless he totally changes his attitude and approach if you really know anything about scouting defense you will see it ain’t warranted
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:33 pm
he does have great upside which is why so many Tampa fans are so disappointed with him, he has not come close to playing at a high level . if in fact he does finally play up to it he will be a force, so far he has not been
Disgusted
November 15th, 2012
10:40 pm
If his upside was so great you would think that you would have seen it by age 28.
I can see why Tampa fans see him as an underachiever cause he has the tools to be great.
Should the Braves go for him. What makes me sketchy on him is the number of yrs you have to commit to him.
It it were 2. 3 yrs you can live with a contract like that. Six yrs, that is alot of $$$$$$$$, and if it don;t work, it will not be easy to pull off a Red Sox salary move to the Dodgers like they did last yr.
If they do choose BJ, than they really should go for a very high OBP guy for the other OF position.
I do get the power upside.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:41 pm
In Fielding Bible BJ has ranked between 18th and 33rd in runs saved over the years. Now metrics are by no means the ultimate determining factor, but they are good enough that if they say a guy is a great defender every year then he is at least pretty good, and if they say that a guy is a poor defender every year , then he ain’t pretty good
Disgusted
November 15th, 2012
10:43 pm
“Since then he’s been consistent at being a 240/320 hitter…. He just hasn’t turned his tools into results and is basically just a solid player, when many seen him as a star.”
Sort of Francoeurish with more ovearll tools.
Seems like he wanted to be a HR hitter than a great all round player.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:45 pm
he does have great tools Disgusted, but he has failed so far to develop them into correspondingly good skills. Even as much as I have been disappointed in him I will say that if he puts it together with a new approach and a better attitude he might be a great pickup offensively
Disgusted
November 15th, 2012
10:45 pm
That is a fair assessment Nolie on your 10:41, but he has the tools to be better right?
I guess you see him more than I do — I really do not see much of him on a day to day basis.
He could be better if he wanted to from what I am getting.
Trader Jack
November 15th, 2012
10:48 pm
Why would Prado agree to an extension this year, when putting up similar numbers in 2013, would allow him to fill-in the numbers on the check. Keep in mind the additional TV money the Braves receive next year
Playoffs!!!
November 15th, 2012
10:50 pm
You get Span, you hurt Freeman and Heyward
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:51 pm
why would Span hurt them?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
10:57 pm
Props to Miggy, either one would have been a great choice, and Cano could have figured in there not too far behind IMO
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
10:57 pm
How does Span effect Heyward/Freeman??
Playoffs!!!
November 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
If you add another left-handed hitter like Span, Braves hitters will see more lefthanded pitching (again) and it will hurt the numbers of both Freeman and Heyward. It did this year and it will again if we get lefthanded heavy in our lineup. And it really hurts slugging percentage.
We led the NL in lefty innings plitched against our hitters.
C’mon you gotta know that’s the Braves’ weakness
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:09 pm
Span hits lefties well, I don’t think he would necessarily be an incentive for them to start a lefty, though they already have reason to do so with Freeman, Heyward, Mac and Uggla. If Span hit leadoff I don’t think it would matter because of him.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 15th, 2012
11:10 pm
So BJ Upton has visited Turner Field? Well all Wren needs to do is trade for Gordon and I’m the winner. Not sure how I feel about Upton because I would rather have Hamilton for another 5 mil more. I thought this night have been a smokescreen but not anymore if they took the time to fly him in. I still think Upton is too much of a wild card for this team and is too inconsistent. If you are going to spend 15 mil on a player he better produce. Like I said I prefer Hamilton and still hope that is the way Wren goes. Let the Phillthies sign him. I’m not a big fan of players who don’t hustle either.
brian
November 15th, 2012
11:15 pm
I am surprised the Braves are focusing in on Upton more than Pagan or Span
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:15 pm
I would prefer Hamilton too, and I gotta admit that I seem to have been wrong with the idea that they would have no interest in him, but I still think I will be right about them not signing him
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:17 pm
they are a toolsy group as to their preferences, speed and power over OBP
Russell Bell
November 15th, 2012
11:18 pm
Yeah Nolie, I jdon’t see the Braves signing Hamilton. Doesn’t seem to fit into their economic reality – fun to speculate about, of course.
Playoffs!!!
November 15th, 2012
11:20 pm
You would definitely see more lefty pitchers with more lefty hitters in our lineup. I didn’t include McCann in the equation because he probably will sit against some lefty starters and probably won’t be in lineup til May anyway. And I don’t see McCann here after this year. If we get Span, he would be here a couple years at least, from what I read.
Heyward and Freeman are our two studs. We need to keep opposing managers from seeing three or four lefthanded hitters in our lineup and think they need to throw and extra lefty at us
Phillies have Lee and Hamels; Mets have Santana and Neise’ Nationals have Gonzalez and another lefty starters (forget his name)
We do NOT need to get more lefthanded
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
11:27 pm
Playoffs!!
Besides the first week or two of the season teams don’t match up their starters based on opponent. Granted there is plenty of LH pitchers in our division, the only time there would really be match ups would be late in game and if Freeman and Heyward are hitting back to back your going to see the LH reliever Span or no Span.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:28 pm
if Span hits lefties well he would not be a reason for more lefty pitchers. they already have plenty of reason though
RC
November 15th, 2012
11:29 pm
We need to keep opposing managers from seeing three or four lefthanded hitters in our lineup and think they need to throw and extra lefty at us
Phillies have Lee and Hamels; Mets have Santana and Neise’ Nationals have Gonzalez and another lefty starters (forget his name)
We do NOT need to get more lefthanded
Yeah, the onlly reason the Phillies would use Lee or Hamels is because they are left-handed…..
We are going to see a lot of lefty pitchers because there are a lot in our division. Managers are not going to change their rotations around just to match up with the Braves though….which pitchers we face will depend on who’s turn it is in the rotation.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:32 pm
we saw way more lefties than any other team in baseball last season , I think maybe at times they did make some effort to make sure we faced one last season, but I don’t see Span as another reason to. course one never knows….
BraveDan
November 15th, 2012
11:33 pm
Interesting day. I like the Laird signing and BJ possibility.
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
Nolie
Could have just been by chance. I don’t remember any team altering their rotation to move up or delay their LH starter. We just seemed to run into them often.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:42 pm
coulda been I guess
jbill
November 15th, 2012
11:44 pm
Bourn was lefty did he hurt Freeman and J-hey?
brian
November 15th, 2012
11:47 pm
exactly jbill. Nothing will help JHEY, Freeman, etc. more than a speedy guy who gets on base
nolie
November 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
I have no idea why they think Simmons will get on base enough to lead off, I’m not saying that he definitely won’t but I see no reason to expect that he will either
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
11:56 pm
Are they considering moving Simmons to lead off?
PuddyCat
November 16th, 2012
12:04 am
Drew Stubbs leadoff CF for Reds was worst leadoff hitter in baseball and Reds won 97 games. Votto was on shelf too. Leadoff way overrated
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stubbdr01.shtml
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
12:06 am
Just you tubed BJ Upton highlights and didn’t see many defensive highlights on there but one thing I did like was his swing. Has a nice swing, good power and ball seems to jump off his bat. Has a nice easy swing. Also seems like a laid back, soft spoken kid but obviously has some fire on the field as evident when he gets emotional out there, sometimes too much at times. Maybe he tones it down playing for a team like the Braves. The kid has skills that much is clear.
brian
November 16th, 2012
12:12 am
if the Braves sign BJ Upton, I bet they have a trade or two lined up to address either LF or 3B. They still would have their pitching surplus and they will need a more affordable player as the second addition to the team. Span or Willingham from the Twins, Moustakis or Gordon from KC, Headley from San Diego, and of course I cannot leave out the ever availble Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins
PuddyCat
November 16th, 2012
12:14 am
Upton has reached the 30 stolen base mark and the 30 double mark and should reach the 30 HR mark now that he has reached his Man Strength age of 28. 30/30/30 and I will find a place on my team for you to play.
brian
November 16th, 2012
12:16 am
Dayton Moore needs pitching and could pry Hanson and Teheran or Delgado from the Braves for Gordon or Moustakis as well as likely other prospects.
Seems like that trade would serve Moore’s needs well. Hanson could use a restart and in the obscurity of Kansas City, that may be the scenery he needs. KC needs a top young pitching prospect and Teheran could use some fresh teaching. Depending on who we get from KC they could easily squeeze another prospect out of Wren
Chop Chop
November 16th, 2012
12:16 am
I’d take mediocre CF play coupled with B.J. Upton’s crappy OBP, power, and baserunning ability over Bourn any day of the week. I just wouldn’t want to see him coupled with a Cody Ross (he of the .324 career OBP) signing.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
12:24 am
I still can almost guarantee one signing and one trade so if the Brave do sign Upton the other position they fill will be through a trade. I would love to see pry Gordon away from KC. Excellent numbers as a lead off hitter.
Gordon
Prado
Heyward
Upton
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Pretty strong offensive line up right there and solid defensively as well.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
12:25 am
I still can almost guarantee one signing and one trade so if the Brave do sign Upton the other position they fill will be through a trade. I would love to see pry Gordon away from KC. Excellent numbers as a lead off hitter.
Gordon
Prado
Heyward
Upton
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Pretty strong offensive line up right there and solid defensively as well. Obviously you could flip flop some pieces depending on who is hitting well.
brian
November 16th, 2012
12:28 am
If Texas really wants Simmons to try and pry away Justin Upton or someone I would try to trade Simmons and a pitcher such as Hanson for some of their prospects – Olt, Perez, and Sardinas are good for starters.
Basically I would love a chance to try and rob Texas of their farm much as they did to us back in the day.
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:29 am
gerald laird over ross for 2 million. really.
brian
November 16th, 2012
12:29 am
Gordon and Upton would be huge additions to this team
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 16th, 2012
12:30 am
Sorry damn blog is messed up again. Only needed to say it once.
brian
November 16th, 2012
12:31 am
2 million goes a long way for fortifying the bench
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:35 am
premium players.
if anyone thinks that laird isa better then ross., really?
so all this money, and we are gonna dance with this smuck.
Venice Jim
November 16th, 2012
12:39 am
uga – maybe Ross recognizes that in Boston he will get lots more playing time, since he understands how good Mac is, unlike a lot of people here…
And, unlike for you, $2 million is a lot of money to the Braves…
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:42 am
smilin frank never saw this one coming, he thought ross would sign.
i believe ross signing somewhere else totally caught him off guard.
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:44 am
vj, over seven weeks laird or ross?
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:46 am
on top of that a clubhouse guy like ross that knows the staff. or laird?
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:48 am
so if/ or when macc cant throw to second base who would you rather have?
P'cola Brave
November 16th, 2012
12:51 am
uga
I think everyone would take Ross over Laird but Boston doubled his salary at age 36 and basically offered him a platoon job w/ Salty. It was a better fit for him than returning to ATL. Laird is probably the next best option. Similar to Ross is regarded as a team leader and great clubhouse guy. Probably why the Braves signed him
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
12:54 am
vj, i sure hope you are right about mac.
would feel more comfortable about ross guiding this staff in macc;s not being there. .
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
1:01 am
maybe i am in the minority but i think ross was really important. wait to you see laird try to throw to second base.
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
1:07 am
so the braves would really haggle about 2 million with the plethora of funds they have and sign laird over ross?
brian
November 16th, 2012
1:10 am
it was a good move for Ross. Wouldn’t surprise me if Ross comes back to the Braves in a backup role in 2 years after playing a ton of catcher for the Red Sox over the next 2 years.
Braves couldn’t match playing time and the Braves did not want to match the salary
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
1:13 am
so for six weeks when they really needed a catcher they thought laird was the better option.
better get two “premium options.”
uga-brave
November 16th, 2012
1:20 am
just so if you know. b.j. upton and victorino. that would work.
upside is possible on boss junior. zero on cody ross.
Ward
November 16th, 2012
2:59 am
Hello everyone! It is true that Braves met ith B.J. Upton. They wined, and Dined, and It went well. It’s looks good, but we will see. It’s looking like there is a possibility that B.J. ccould be a Brave? Fredi, was there too at the Meeting.
Ward
November 16th, 2012
3:02 am
meant to say with B.J, upton, and I would be thrilled to have him on the Braves. There is nothing, as of late on Cody Ross, but Braves would like him in LF, and move Prado to 3rd base. Only time can tell on Cody Ross.
Ward
November 16th, 2012
3:04 am
Could the Braves land both? It looks possible, and would love to have Cody Ross, and B.J. Upton on the team. We will see though?
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
3:16 am
I’d back up on either of the UPTON’s based on what I’ve heard about their ‘tude. Don’t know them or their family personally so i couldn’t say for certain how they would fit in the BRAVES clubhouse however.
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
3:20 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
DESERT DOGS
DH ED SALCEDO [.140 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 HR [1], 1 RBI [5], 2 SO.
RHSP ZEKE SPRUILL [W 2-2, 3.63 ERA] 5.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R/ER, 0 BB, 2 SO.
richbrave
November 16th, 2012
3:30 am
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
VENEZUELA
ZULIA EAGLES
Double-header
DH EVAN GATTIS [.274 BA] 1-3, 1 SO.
DH EVAN GATTIS [.274 BA] 1-4, 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MAJIA [.316 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [5], 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.338 BA] 3-4, 1 R, 1 HR [9], 5 RBI [28]
Ward
November 16th, 2012
3:50 am
All, have a good one! Talk tomorrow some time? richbrave thanks for all the farm reports, and updates. Keep up the good work my friend. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 16th, 2012
5:14 am
two mil is a lot for Braves…. so lets throw 12+ mil at some moody, lackadaisical, poor defending and hitting “CF” named BJ Upton
Couch Tater
November 16th, 2012
7:07 am
Okay, I knew it was probably fruitless, but I thought I’d try to find some Yunel quotes about the trade. I guess, Chino Cadahia is on vacation.
Meanwhile..only 31 user comments in The Toronto Sun about the trade, but does The Sun expect a baseball story to compete with this?
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/17/women-of-curling-calendar-model-suffered-for-her-art
Bring out the brooms! Sweep!
BraveDan
November 16th, 2012
7:11 am
Alex Gordon would be a great pickup if the trade chips are right.
Ray
November 16th, 2012
7:41 am
Not a fan of BJ Upton. IF the braves can get him at a “bargain” then maybe. But his numbers especially obp are below awful. We can always bank on the “change of scenery” to improve performance.
Couch Tater
November 16th, 2012
8:04 am
Ross on the radio…
“I didn’t really have any expectations in the offseason for any teams,” he said. “My agent said, ‘You don’t want to get your hopes up if there is somewhere you really want to go, let’s just wait to see who calls.’ There was a lot of interest. A lot of teams called, which was really humbling for me, some of the teams that called, especially with the Red Sox and how upfront they were with me. That was really a nice experience to be a backup most of your career. … I think the playing time for me is going to be kind of a split. I don’t know if it’s going to be matchups or whatever. But they told me I’m going to be more than a backup. I’m not going to be the starter, I’m not going to be catching six days a week. But that’s not why I signed there. I signed there because of how I was treated, and obviously they put their best foot forward financially, too.”
I couldn’t get the radio link to open. Maybe you can..
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21240981/david-ross-there-was-lot-interest?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
BravesFanInMaine
November 16th, 2012
8:11 am
I can see the braves signing upton to a contract today or even this weekend…. I think the braves just want to start to figure out where this team is going to head…. I think the braves will also sign victorino as well
ncscoots
November 16th, 2012
8:18 am
I’d back up on either of the UPTON’s based on what I’ve heard about their ‘tude. Don’t know them or their family personally so i couldn’t say for certain how they would fit in the BRAVES clubhouse however.
Surely, the team would do their due diligence on that aspect, wouldn’t they? Considering their organizational philosophy on such things? Hard to believe that they would commit FA dollars and years to someone they fear might become toxic. Plus, it seems to me that particular clubhouse could police that kind of thing as well as any.
Despite the guy’s underperformance and the rumors of his lackadaisical play, those tools he has could still make your heart go thump, I guess. I don’t know if that’s enough to get you to the altar or not.