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ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Sorry, but I gave up on his azz 2 years ago!”
Exactly…man up and admit it at the appropriate time, LOL.
DS1
November 15th, 2012
3:16 pm
Think you have it rough?
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22963082&nid=711&title=police-woman-runs-over-husband-for-not-voting&s_cid=queue-13
DS1
November 15th, 2012
3:19 pm
scoots
I get what you’re saying, but there are some folks on here that are downright adamant about there ideas!
And now, word is that 5 hour energy drinks have killed some folks. How many have been saved by not running into the rear a that semi hauling a load of cattle?
Murph
November 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
Better to pitch well, live up to your potential, make an impact in the bigs, and need TJ surgery than to pitch poorly and be an after-thought in Braves’ prospect history.
Whatever changes Teheran was told to make aren’t working. Try something else, go back to what worked, or flounder in AAA for another few years.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
I guess we get spoiled a little by the Heywards and Freemans, guys who rocket through the minors with barely a speed-bump. Next thing you know, we expect every kid to do two levels a year or something, get to the bigs NLT than 22, and then dominate when he gets there.
Actual trajectory for most minor leaguers, even those who turn out to be pretty good big-leaguers, tends to be a little wavier than that, and I think we forget that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
3:23 pm
such a nice wife…. I’m scared!
DS1
November 15th, 2012
3:23 pm
Later folks.
BTW, I called the Laird signing a day or two ago. Just sayin…….
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
DS1-
What are you talking about that I missed 5 hr energy killed someone?!
Murph-
My thought….go back to what worked….if it ain’t broke don’t fix it….if they were so damn worried about his arm slot and future injury….let him have the 15 win year in Gwinnett and then trade his *ss
No sense in killing the guy’s velo ala JJ and Hanson and then having him devalued to the point they get scraps when they do deal him…..my god someone really oughta get fired down there over how they’ve screwed up so many projectable arms the last few years!
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:28 pm
I guess we get spoiled a little by the Heywards and Freemans, guys who rocket through the minors with barely a speed-bump.
I’ll settle for a position player prospect that is young, or at least age appropriate for the level, and raking. Rome, Lynchburg, Mississippi, or Gwinnett – doesn’t matter. Just want to see some positive results from a player that isn’t 23 in Double-A or in Gattis’ case, close to late 20’s.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
3:28 pm
Better to pitch well, live up to your potential, make an impact in the bigs, and need TJ surgery than to pitch poorly
I’m pretty sure that his first ML DL stint for tendonitis would draw tons of posts here, saying that he should change his delivery.
Murph
November 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
I’m pretty sure that his first ML DL stint for tendonitis would draw tons of posts here, saying that he should change his delivery.
Probably, but based on what he’s doing lately, he’ll never get the call, so we’ll never know.
Granted, he’s got a few months to work on things before ST starts, but I’d be very, very surprised to see Teheran as the 5th starter when camp breaks. Trade or no trade, Delgado is just the better pitcher (right now).
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
5hr energy killed someone? But I just had one… (and do frequently)
Call a Greinke or Hamilton signing… or how about a trade for Olt or Upton, all-powerful Wayne!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
Trade or no trade, Delgado is just the better pitcher (right now).
Hanson too. Maybe Graham. Gilmartin (or is that pushing it LOL)
Gone Viral
November 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
If I’m a Braves decision maker, I consider a lightning strike plan wherein we make our best offer to Stanton. In the unlikely scenario the Marlins accept, we immediately go to Josh Hamilton and tell him he can become the third part of the most naturally talented baseball outfield since Sheffield, Jones and Jones.
Hey, it’s the off-season. Why not dream big?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
I’m calling for a Melky signing
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:37 pm
Gattis’ case, close to late 20’s
Or, in a less pessimistic, I hate Gattis tone, mid-20’s
For a perspective of how ancient Gattis is for his league. 2012 average age for Southern League 24.2. Evan Gattis’ age whilst in the Southern League: 25.
David O'Brien
November 15th, 2012
3:37 pm
Big lefty reliever Ryan Buchter has also made good impression in AFL, pitching in 10 games before today’s finale, posting 1.84 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 14 K/9 BB in 14-2/3 innings. He had great numbers at Double-A last season (1.31 ERA, 35 games, 50 K/19 BB in 41-1/3) , but struggled mightily with command at Triple-A (nine games, 10.12 ERA, 5 K/17 BB in 8 innings).
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
I’d give up a draft pick for Hamilton…..
…..screw the left handedness and age/injury concerns.
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
TP-
Does that really matter anymore?
Nelson Cruz bloomed late…
Hell, one of the Cardinals best hitters in Allen Craig was a late bloomer….
Sometimes guys figure it out later and they are actually great under the radar talents…and worth every penny invested into them
flange1
November 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
With a name like Buchter, he will be a fun one to have around!
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Whatever changes Teheran was told to make aren’t working. Try something else, go back to what worked, or flounder
In Boys Of Summer, Joe Black talked about refining his curve ball delivery, how it came to a point in a game (a high-leverage point, though naturally he didn’t call it that, LOL) when he had to decide if he would just continue to throw the pitch the way he had always thrown it, or if he would use the new delivery in a real game with real consequences. He chose the new, his curve ball became lethal, and he basically won ROY with it.
My point is that changing the way you pitch is not only not easy, but conviction is just as important as mechanics. Maybe Teheran is mechanically sound, but hasn’t found the conviction to make a better delivery work for him yet. Just saying that there’s more to it than not bending your back leg.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Or, in a less pessimistic, I hate Gattis tone, mid-20’s
Only if you’ll stop with the less pessimistic, I hate Heyward comments….
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:43 pm
Average age of the Miami Marlins AA, Southern League affiliate: 25.2.
Want old for his league, for real late 20’s? Look at the Jacksonville Suns: Graham Taylor, 28; Josh Schmidt, 29; Russ Mitchell, 27; Chris Gutierrez, 28; Ben Lasater, 28; German Duran, 27; Shawn Bowman, 27; Corey Madden, 28; Garrett Parcel, 27; Ryan Patterson 29…
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Hell, one of the Cardinals best hitters in Allen Craig was a late bloomer….
That’s all good and fine, but expecting it to occur on every older prospect is foolish, imo. But we can be optimistic about him. I’ll take anyone who can hit at this point.
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Average age of hitters in AAA International League for 2012: 27.3
So, Evan goes to AAA this year, he’ll actually be young for the league.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
curious: Why didn’t the Braves try to change Hanson’s bad mechanics when he was in the minors? Teheran’s are that much worse?
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
So, Evan goes to AAA this year, he’ll actually be young for the league.
Okay, now that’s just being ridiculous….. Scroll through Top prospects lists and I’d bet you’ll find that the majority of them aren’t 25 in Double-A, 27 in Triple-A, etc.
So, “age appropriate for the level” or whatever you want to call it – Gattis is on the older side for whats considered “prospects”.
brian
November 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
Marlins AA will be younger next year with Yelich, Jose Fernandez, Marcell Ozuna, Jacob Realmuto, etc. – those guys can play.
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
Scoots-
Very good points there….
And I have actually been there myself….unfortunately choosing the easier and returning to my original motion of throwing….
They tried to change my motion as to wear and tear on my shoulder from playing middle infield and outfield….
Well, I have stuck w/ the motion that although painful at times seems to prove more effective to me….
Changing it at this point after 20+ years, it just didn’t seem feasible to me….
But like you said, in his case, it could be different and no, I can attest its not easy….
Every case is different….but yes….great insight there…and unfortunately brought up awful reminders of why my shoulder is the way it is
Lew
November 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
There were reports on the news today that in the past four years, 13 people have died after drinking Five Hour Energy.. The company denies that the energy drink was the cause or had anything to do with it.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
Marlins AA will be younger next year with Yelich, Jose Fernandez, Marcell Ozuna, Jacob Realmuto, etc. – those guys can play.
And Marisnick.
Those guys are prospects, not minor league organizational players.
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
but expecting it to occur on every older prospect is foolish, imo.
So, watching Evan hit .308/.374/.546/.920 in his first three pro seasons and being pleased is akin to expecting every single mid-to-upper-20s minor leaguer to be a late bloomer?
I guess my confusion is rooted in how one can be so optimistic about the past 1100+ major league PA resulting in a .329 OBP, while burning at the stake any positive news of a guy going into AAA younger than the average competition and mashing at every level up to that point… Seems so far the biggest knock on Gattis’ age is, while Heyward was forging excuses for his inability to post an OBP higher than .335 at ages 21 and 22, Gattis was forging his manhood with gypsy ladies on the beaches of America. ( :
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
There were reports on the news today that in the past four years, 13 people have died after drinking Five Hour Energy.. The company denies that the energy drink was the cause or had anything to do with it.
Everything about that product is scary. Right down to the commercials. Just get a coffee or if you must, an energy drink.
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
Okay, now that’s just being ridiculous…
Ridiculous? I haven’t made an outlandish claim in that statement. League average age is 27.3, he’ll be 26. He’s younger than the league average age. Hence my statement: he’ll actually be young for the league. It may be a technicality, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. And nowhere in that statement did I utilize the term “prospect.”
nolie
November 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
there is a difference between the average at a certain level and the average age of the top prospects at that same level
Lew
November 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Efrim – I’m already diabetic – I don’t take much of anything tha screws with my metabolism – I have enough trouble jut keeping myself evened out with the medications I have to take. I drink one Diet Snapple Peach Tea a day and that’s all the caffeine I ever have – except for 2-3 cups of black coffee in a year.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
watching Evan hit .308/.374/.546/.920 in his first three pro seasons and being pleased is akin to expecting every single mid-to-upper-20s minor leaguer to be a late bloomer?
Fine to be pleased. It’s when folks tab him as our everyday LF of the future is when I want to folks to slow down.
I guess my confusion is rooted in how one can be so optimistic about the past 1100+ major league PA resulting in a .329 OBP
Ah, there it is……
Intense, extreme, hatred.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
changing mechanics is tough, and the human nature is that during stress it is very easy to slip back into the old familiar ways even if your mind knows them to be less effective. Happens a whole lot
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
You know, even Akeem came to America to sew his oats… at least according to his father, King Jaffe Joffer.
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
It’s when folks tab him as our everyday LF of the future is when I want to folks to slow down
You know, it’s when I see Wren reaching for the ink and paper to hand to Cody Ross that I start thinking, maybe we shouldn’t block Gattis with this guy.
TennesseePaul
November 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
Ah, there it is…
You haven’t seen me angry… well, maybe you have. I get lit up when the likes of JoJo Reyes, Chris Reitsma or Jordan Schafer are on the roster. Never felt that way about Heyward.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
It may be a technicality, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. And nowhere in that statement did I utilize the term “prospect.”
You responded to my post at 3:28, which had everything to do about prospects. You started with: For a perspective of how ancient Gattis is for his league.
So, naturally, you can see how I fell into thinking you meant “prospects”.
there is a difference between the average at a certain level and the average age of the top prospects at that same level
Pretty much all I meant by it.
Murph
November 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
You know, even Akeem came to America to sew his oats… at least according to his father, King Jaffe Joffer.
I have a date with LISA!
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
I have a date with LISA!
His mama call him Clay, imma call him Clay.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:07 pm
Damn…. Dioner Navarro got $1.75 million on a one year deal from the Cubbies. I wonder what that AAV is for Laird.
Ward
November 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
Hello everyone! true on B.J. Upton. Braves are interested too. It could be possible with Cody Ross LF, and B.J. Upton in CF. That would also be cool with me. Didn’t think Braves would go after B.J. Upton, but will accept it. Like Laird, and he’s the best option on the Free Agent list. Good smart move. Didn’t think Laird was possble, but like the move.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
King Jaffe Joffer: Wrong. You are a PRINCE who has never tied his shoes. Believe me. I tied my own shoes once. It is an overrated experience.
Just an amazing movie that can be quoted over and over and over.
Murph
November 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Ward, any news on the Hamilton front? What have you heard?
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Hello everyone!
Post of the Day.
Sup, Ward. What’s happenin?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
It could be possible with Cody Ross LF, and B.J. Upton in CF. That would also be cool
Cool? I’d pick another C word… Crazy.
Ward
November 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Wouldn’t that be something to have B.J. Upton, and Cody Ross? It could happen?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
it’s when I see Wren reaching for the ink and paper to hand to Cody Ross that I start thinking, maybe we shouldn’t block Gattis with this guy.
Same with Willy, BJ Upton (if for LF), Ludwick, Gomes….
Ward
November 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
Murph – I heard Baltimore, Seattle, and Phillies droped out on him too much money.
kenhotlanta
November 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
Darn, I come back after a few days and y’all are still talking about baseball…no BBQ, no TV, no music, no movies, or anything. Geez.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
Bossman Jr is gonna be the new Mays, he is just a late bloomer. Just wait and see, all y’all BJ haters will be left in the dust.
Ward
November 15th, 2012
4:13 pm
I’m watching the Hot Stove as well, and tonight will do some research on some trades. Going to work in about 10 minutes.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2012-11-15/josh-hamilton-free-agency-2013-red-sox-rumor-orioles-mariners-brewers
Josh Hamilton has been linked mainly to small-market franchises early in the free-agency period. However, there is growing speculation that the Boston Red Sox will make a run at him, according to CBSSports.com.
“Boston wants to do something big and it wouldn’t shock me if they became players for Josh Hamilton,” a major league general manager told the website.
Murph
November 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
It could be possible with Cody Ross LF, and B.J. Upton in CF. That would also be cool
Cool? I’d pick another C word… Crazy.
Crappy… cruddy… craptastic… crummy… cockamamie… confusing…
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
According to the second link, which won’t post, the only way that Hamilton will get the contract that he wants is if the Red Sox get involved.
Maybe, just maybe, we have a shot….
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
Efrim-
I’ve never had any issues w/ 5-hour product….of course, I only take the 1 as recommended….and I am hyperglycemic….
Murph
November 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
1. Prado
2. Heyward
3. BJ Upton
4. Freeman
5. Uggla
6. BMac
7. C. Ross
8. Simmons
Meh….
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
keep an eye on that sugar over the years, many type 2 diabetics are hyper for years first
Ward
November 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
All have a good one! Talk later tonight. I found out there will be a Terminator 5 Evolution. Takes place in 2014, and Sky Net Escapes from 2030 to to send machines to destroy John Conner. Cant’ wait for that.You’ll will get to see the battle. I think it will be out late 2013. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Puma
November 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
BJ in left and Span in CF wouldn’t be bad, with Upton hitting in 5, 6, or 7 spot. Of course that probably means Uggs in 4 spot.
P'cola Brave
November 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
Just thought I’d chime in on the latest Braves “rumors” and signings. Think Wren made a good decision acquiring Laird and like the fact he moved quickly to fill this spot. As far as BJ Upton goes, not really thrilled. Kind of already have someone like him in Uggla, except Uggla knows what a walk is. BJ to me is kind of like a glorified Alex Gonzalez. Poor average and OBP but with good pop and defense.
abeeeewright
November 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
cabravesfan, November 15th, 2012, 12:45 pm … “The Fish are not going to trade Stanton. There is zero reason for them to do so”
If we can’t get Stanton from the Fish, I wonder if we can get Kemp from the Dodgers?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
funny thing is that many can be hypo for years first too
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
why would LA have any interest in dealing Kemp with all the funds they have available?
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
curious: Why didn’t the Braves try to change Hanson’s bad mechanics when he was in the minors? Teheran’s are that much worse?
In the minors, Hanson was a horse, physically. Teheran looked like Tim Hudson after a hunger strike. Maybe they felt Julio’s body (not just his arm) couldn’t take all that torque he was generating. On Hanson, the most I ever heard were “concerns” that maybe he “might” have arm trouble down the road. You’re not going to completely re-work that guy’s delivery just because of that.
N8
November 15th, 2012
4:29 pm
“Just an amazing movie that can be quoted over and over and over.”
Absolutely. That and Trading Places. When we are setting up or tearing down after gigs, one of our favorite things to pass time, is move quotes. Once somebody picks one from movie, you MUST continue with that them until you fail. Then we move on.
Trading Places and Coming to Amercia usually last a while.
Not to mention at least once a night, usually early, if there isn’t much response from the crowd, one of us will stomp our foot and and throw out a “SEXUAL CHOCOLATE”!
Mr. Ahhh- Randaaaaay- Aahh WATSON! …. That boy’s good!
abeeeewright
November 15th, 2012
4:30 pm
ncscoots … “Hey, you can get 15000 at monster truck races, which shows that some people will attend some events just because they are there. And I imagine that will be about the extent of the drawing power of the Miami Marlins for a while.”
Maybe the Marlins should start thinking like a minor league club in terms of attendance …
Buy a ticket to the Monster Truck Rally, get into the Marlins game afterwards for free!
Shaun
November 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
Cal Ripkin was on XM first pitch this morning…He favors Miggy over Trout for MVP. He said the “tipping point” for him, was the positive effect Miggy had on the rest of the lineup, RE how the guys ahead and behind him were pitched to. In essence, the other guys saw better pitches, and this raised the BA of the entire lineup.
Of course, Cal doesn’t know much about the game, but this is a perfect example of an intangable (his word) that the Sabre guys disregard. Advanced stats are valuable, but are not the black and white be all and end all that some here would have you believe. Just saying…
raleighbravefan, nice theory. But the Angels had the highest team batting average in the American League and the third-highest slugging percentage, and ranked higher than the Tigers in both categories. The Angels also scored more runs, more runs per game and had a higher OPS than the Tigers. The Angels had the highest OPS+ in the American League.
So I would love to know what makes Ripken thing Cabrera had that effect on the Tigers but Trout did not have any effect on the Angels.
DAP
November 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
p’colaBJ to me is kind of like a glorified Alex Gonzalez. Poor average and OBP but with good pop and defense.
BJ’s OBP isnt THAT bad.
abeeeewright
November 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
“why would LA have any interest in dealing Kemp with all the funds they have available?”
cabravesfan had to mount a campaign declaring “Kemp is not available” on the blog last year, to try to counter-balance the incessant Eric O’Flaherty for Kemp trade proposals.
She seems to be getting a jump on the “Stanton is not available” campaign.
RC
November 15th, 2012
4:34 pm
Maybe the Marlins should start thinking like a minor league club in terms of attendance …
Buy a ticket to the Monster Truck Rally, get into the Marlins game afterwards for free!
What’s really sad is that the first thing that this made me think of are all the postgame concerts the Braves have had the past couple of years.
“Come watch the Braves and stay for the free Mumford and Sons concert afterwards!”
I guess the Braves have to raise money however they can, but it’s hard to watch a game when it’s obvious that half the crowd is simply biding their time until the concert starts.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:36 pm
I like quoting AS GOOD AS IT GETS
Come on in, and try not to ruin everything by being you.
tony austin
November 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
I’m just not that giddy about Upton. Way to many K’s imo, 1 more than Uggla and that’s just way too many. I don’t believe that an out is an out no matter what, there are productive outs and non-productive out and the strike out is the most non-productive out in baseball. Remember the K machine (Bourn) at bat when the Braves were rallying in the playoff game? Sure would have been nice if he could’ve put the ball in play. (I’m not saying he would have gotten a hit in that situation, but if you put the ball in play you have a better chance than walking back to the dugout with the bat on your shoulder.)
I’m just tired of all the strikeouts.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
but it’s hard to watch a game when it’s obvious that half the crowd is simply biding their time until the concert starts.
Yeah, but I prefer that quiet uninvolvement from a concert-goer to spending three hours listening to a Mixxo clone, in the seat behind.
At least with the concert-goer, I know there’s a smaller chance that I’ll end up in jail.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:42 pm
That boy’s good!
I love saying that and elbowing friends with a wide smile….
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
Two hours until the baseball world goes chaotic.
We need a megadeal to go down so that I don’t have to read the ridiculous tweets between the two sides. Better yet, I think it’s a perfect time to go get a haircut and clean up in the house a bit.
RC
November 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
but this is a perfect example of an intangable (his word) that the Sabre guys disregard. Advanced stats are valuable, but are not the black and white be all and end all that some here would have you believe. Just saying…
I would argue that anyone who understands advanced stats would never use them as the “black and white be all and end all” way you are referring to here. All stats are simply tools that give us information….it’s simply that some tools give information that correlates more closely to team and player success than other tools do.
As for Ripken’s claim that “lineup presence” is an intangible that cannot be measured, I am honestly unsure about that. There have been many studies done on the effects of “protection” in the lineup, and they have almost universally resulted in the conclusion that there is no evidence that supports the claim. That said, I am of the belief that if a player “believes” something to be true, then it affects the outcome, meaning that there is certainly some affect, it may just be unclear what that is.
For example: If the pitcher of the opposing team is concerned about facing Miguel Cabrera, then that could some affect on the results compared to if the pitcher was brainwashed into thinking Cabrera is “just another batter”. The problem comes in trying to say that those affects are necessarily going to be a positive for Cabrera’s team. It’s possible that the pitcher gets rattled, and makes poor pitches to other batters because he’s worried about Cabrera. It’s also possible that the pitcher becomes hyper-focused and “bears down” because in his mind he cannot afford any mistakes, and actually performs better than he would at his normal focus level.
I am in no way dismissing that some affect may be going on. But by the simple definition of the word “intangible”, we are admitting that we cannot quantify the effect, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense counting it as a credit when you can’t even be sure if the effect is a positive or a negative.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
dschoenfield David Schoenfield
K-Rod got a first-place vote the year he set the saves record. Walked 34 in 68 innings. #oldmvpfacts
That’s awesome..in a sick, stupid way.
Nowhere man
November 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
If the braves could pay Lowe 10 million not to pitch they could have paid Ross 6 million to play two years.
Hillbilly
November 15th, 2012
4:48 pm
There they go, every time I start talkin’ ’bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they azz. That’s they one, that’s they one! Rocky Marciano!
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
what does one have to do with the other?
RC
November 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
If the braves could pay Lowe 10 million not to pitch they could have paid Ross 6 million to play two years.
So because there exists one bad decision in the past it means that any decision that is “less bad” in the future must be a good decision? Got it.
cricket
November 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
What a crock of crap! Oswald killed Kennedy? Seriously? Sorry, but I’m watching JFK. It’s almost laughable what they want us to believe.
— Chipper Jones (@RealCJ10) November 15, 2012
Anyone who has ever fired a rifle and watched the Zapruder film, will tell you the fatal headshot came from the grassy knoll. C’mon people!!
— Chipper Jones (@RealCJ10) November 15, 2012
JFK is on REELZ. Zapruder footage is coming on soon. Check it out. Oswald is behind JFK and to the right. No way he fired the kill shot.
— Chipper Jones (@RealCJ10) November 15, 2012
Read the Warren Commission Report. I have. It’s a crock. No way Kennedy’s head moves back and to the left, if shot from the back.
— Chipper Jones (@RealCJ10) November 15, 2012
Murph
November 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
I’m worried a lot more about CF and LF than I am about the backup catcher.
Ross wasn’t going to get this team to the World Series, even if he was the only one to show up to the Wild Card game.
The CF/LF, on the other hand, are going to play a big part in any offseason push the team makes.
Ross shmoss, who cares? He’s gone. Gotta move forward.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
4:51 pm
If the braves could pay Lowe 10 million not to pitch they could have paid Ross 6 million to play two years.
In other words, if you’ve made one mistake, it’s perfectly OK to make another one, just as dumb?
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
That’s they one, that’s they one! Rocky Marciano!
Hard not to laugh thinking of those scenes. Good stuff.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
In other words, if you’ve made one mistake, it’s perfectly OK to make another one, just as dumb?
sure it is, some folks here use that philosophy post after post scoots
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
4:54 pm
My friends warned me that one of the possible side effects of retirement would be onset of conspiracy theories.
I’ve been lucky to avoid them, frankly.
Puma
November 15th, 2012
4:55 pm
Cricket – I guess its safe to say Chipper really is retired, like retired retired
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
4:55 pm
Red Sox have $60 million in guarantees next year(6 players), $23 million in 7 arb. elgible players and lots of holes.
$175 million dollar payroll last year.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
4:56 pm
that is more a righter affliction bud
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
that is more a righter affliction bud
So, my political leanings have kept me safe, LOL? I love it.
RC
November 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
Red Sox have $60 million in guarantees next year(6 players), $23 million in 7 arb. elgible players and lots of holes.
$175 million dollar payroll last year.
Once again, have to say that I am quite happy with Liberty Media’s ownership of the Braves. They may not be jacking payroll up to $150 million, but at least they allow the front office people to do what they do.
cricket
November 15th, 2012
4:59 pm
Ross shmoss, who cares? He’s gone. Gotta move forward.
agreed. retire his number before 1st home game and move on. unless off course cody ross is signed. in that case, reuse number and jerseys.
RC
November 15th, 2012
5:01 pm
agreed. retire his number before 1st home game and move on. unless off course cody ross is signed. in that case, reuse number and jerseys.
Hopefully Boston will do the same. It’ll be funny when some “Fenway Faithful” in a pink hat on her cell phone has to ask why the LF is catching.
wheelz007
November 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
“Joe Lewis was 176 years old when he fought Rocky Marciano”