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Venice Jim
November 15th, 2012
1:03 pm
Nick Shlain @electricsnuff
Every time Morosi and TOBF mention August 24th, remember Mike Trout went 3-for-6 with a walk, 2 RBI and 2 runs on the 23rd. #arbitraryendpoints
Retweeted by robneyer
Roman Gal
November 15th, 2012
1:03 pm
I’ve walked to Turner Field from downtown a few times. It’s hot. It’s concrete and asphalt forever. There’s nothing along the way.
That’s also one of the things I liked about Great American Ballpark. Parked across the river at their mini-Atlantic Station and got to walk across the bridge to the game. The impression I have of Cincinnati is that it’s a very clean city. I imagine that if someone only comes to Atlanta for a Braves game they’ll leave with the opposite notion.
It’s fixable with a little TLC.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:06 pm
Susan Slusser @susanslusser
@SeanClement21 coming up big down the stretch in a pennant race in division games isn’t arbitrary.
Roman Gal
November 15th, 2012
1:08 pm
I mean, they aren’t moving them up to Cobb.
You think traffic is bad on the southside? Wait’ll you start trying to navigate Cobb county. It’s wretched!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:12 pm
Count the 23rd if you like… Miggy still OPSd 240 points better than Trout did. Miggy hit as many HR as Trout had RBIs. Tigers gained ground and won the division, Angels couldn’t get a WC berth.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:13 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Selig said to be “not happy” w/ #marlins trade, but so far doesn’t see basis to disallow. Selig’s quote: “under review”
….
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:16 pm
I actually thought scoots had a great idea yesterday with checking in with Marlins on a possible trade for Stanton for FF and prospects. Laroche would probably love to come back to Atlanta, if not go in a different direction for 1B. Many different ways this team can be constructed, don’t limit yourself in how to optimize.
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:20 pm
Count the 23rd if you like…
How about, instead of looking at 6 weeks or so, we look at the entire season? As for the playoffs, the Tigers had a better overall team than the Angels. That is not something Trout can control. (I really don’t care who wins. Just seems pointless to look at a small chunk of season and use that as the reason someone should win)
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
but so far doesn’t see basis to disallow
Please. He’s the commissioner, he doesn’t need a basis. Trot out “best interests of baseball” and the man can do anything he likes. That’s the whole point of having an omnipotent executive in the first place.
Not that I think he should disallow the trade, but let’s not cower behind semantics, fercrissake. That’s just unmanly.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:22 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Yes, but Bethancourt seems more likely. RT @mgcarro: @ajcbraves Could we start 2013 with Gattis as c back up?
Would be fine with either. Gattis has the better chance to stick on roster, but I really would like to see CBet playing. But if he’s on the bench, doesn’t help him all that much.
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:23 pm
CB-
Why would we trade Freeman (who is 23 and not arb eligible until 2014) and try to sign a guy that would cost upwards of $13 million and is 10 years older? Also, the Fish won’t trade Stanton
richbrave
November 15th, 2012
1:26 pm
So LAIRD is in the house, and who was our back-up at catcher last season?
Moving right along to the OF slots that must be taken care of, and one bull-pen arm besides signing DURBIN.
Sign the arb guys.
Build out the bench behind LAIRD.
Your 2013 ATLANTA BRAVES, ladies and gentlemen.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:27 pm
Why would we trade Freeman (who is 23 and not arb eligible until 2014) and try to sign a guy that would cost upwards of $13 million and is 10 years older? Also, the Fish won’t trade Stanton
If you’re right on the latter, then the former is moot. If wrong, then I would think the idea of Stanton and LaRoche added to Heyward, Uggla, and McCann might be a little OK.
Besides, we were all just spitballin’ on what it would take to get the Marlins to even listen for a minute on Stanton. Nothing serious.
Shaun
November 15th, 2012
1:28 pm
In MVP debate, consider the closing argument: Miguel Cabrera 1.079 OPS from Aug. 24 through end of season; Mike Trout was at .824.
a) Trout was still the better defender and baserunner from Aug. 24th on.
b) does any difference in value from Aug. 24 to the end of the season that favors Cabrera make up for any difference in value that favors Trout for almost 5 months, or any overall difference in value from game 1 to game 162?
David O'Brien
November 15th, 2012
1:28 pm
Patrick, I’d guess between $1-1.5 mill per season for Laird. Haven’t gotten figure yet, however.
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
Stanton is also 23 and not arb eligible until 2014, far better future than Freddie.
DAP
November 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
ok, so i hadnt heard about the marlins trade. i wondered what yall were talking about so i looked it up…im shocked. i cant believe loria would do that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
I think arguments can be made for both sides… if we look at it over the full year, and factor in defense, then yes, Trout is just as good a candidate. But I also feel that the MVP should be just that… the Most Valuable Player, especially when the team truly needs him. Trout didn’t really do that down the stretch. Had just 1 month all year when he OPSd over 1.000, July. Miggy did it for 3 straight months to end the season. Miggy slugged 600+ from June on. Trout only did that in July.
In my opinion, Miguel was the better player on offense, and Trout’s defense isn’t quite enough to cause me to consider him better. And I’m a lover of defense.
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:30 pm
ncscoots-
I know
I was just genuinely curious why the Braves would consider trading Freeman. (I have always liked Adam LaRoche, by the way)…but the Fish have absolutely zero reason to even consider trading Stanton at this point. He is basically their only remaining marketable player, anything they would get in return would not be as good as he is, and he dirt cheap. Now, in 2 years when he becomes arb eligible, they might consider it. But no reason at all right now
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:31 pm
CB-
Which is exactly why he’s not going anywhere
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:31 pm
they were just throwing out ideas cab… if Stanton were mad enough that the Marlins traded him. Not seeing it happening until after 2014 anyway. And even Efrim showed that other teams have better prospects than we do to make it happen. But if he were somehow available, Freddie may just entice them to consider it. Stanton will be the better player.
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:32 pm
DAP, have you been living under a rock?
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:34 pm
But no reason at all right now
Not even if he’s toxic in the clubhouse? Starts waking up half-naked on the streets of South Beach four times a week? Tags Loria’s home with uncomplimentary grafitti? Becomes just a pouty, doodie-headed, lollygagging lollygagger? Not even then?
Rick C
November 15th, 2012
1:35 pm
I don’t quite see the value in having Bethancourt as the back up, even if he is far better defensively than Gattis. I would rather have him in the minors so he can get ABs.
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:35 pm
ncscoots-
Not if the Fish want ANYONE to show up at games next year
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:36 pm
also, I suspect his trade value might take a hit if he did all those things
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:37 pm
Well,we all need to remember we are talking about Loria here. I do agree not likely to happen but worth a check in. That’s how they got Uggla.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
1:39 pm
Bethancourt should be left at Double-A for the entire season and if his offensive production increases than promote him to Gwinnett. In no way should he see Atlanta in 2013.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:39 pm
I’d bet that any person that was considering watching a Marlins game isn’t now… gotta be pizzed. I’m surprised they’re considering moving LoMo though. He’s still making min; but supposedly has a bit of a ‘tude. Maybe, just maybe Stanton can do it as well.
Agree Rick. Only way I wanted CBet up here was if he was starting everyday. With Laird here, it should be Gattis now, imo.
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:40 pm
Going to see Skyfall (YAY!!!!) tomorrow instead of working so I need to do stuff today. Have a good one, all
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
1:40 pm
I think the difference in all of these deals is that Stanton makes absolutely nothing right now. And he hasn’t been defiant against the organization as strongly as LoMo has. I see Morrison being traded if they get the right offer – which to me, would be a pitcher of equal value.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:41 pm
Not if the Fish want ANYONE to show up at games next year
What would make anyone think that even Stanton will influence the attendance for those guys, in the wake of the last year’s events? You can stick a fork in ‘em for attendance, and Stanton is not going to help that. Seriously.
Hey, you can get 15000 at monster truck races, which shows that some people will attend some events just because they are there.
And I imagine that will be about the extent of the drawing power of the Miami Marlins for a while.
DAP
November 15th, 2012
1:41 pm
CB…heh sort of. ive been sick for a couple of days and havent looked at any baseball stuff. trying to get caught up…
cabravesfan
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
ncscoots-
Keep in mind that by “anyone” I meant like a few hundred or so. I’d buy a cheap ticket to see other teams also.
Trader Jack
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
RE: Haves vs Have Nots
The Dodgers new TV deal with Fox will be worth approx $200 mil per year/ 20 years. Guess who also bid for the rights? Yup, our friends from Time Warner. You remember them, previous owners of the Braves, who pay them a kings ransom of $20 mil per year to broadcast their games.
Quoting David Rone, President of Time Warner sports, “We absolutely plan to be competitive”, and “We now have a seat at the table of most opportunities”, and this beauty, “Our brand now resonates with the sports community”
Sorry guys for throwing salt on an open wound, but I thought you should know
Shaun
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
As for the playoffs, the Tigers had a better overall team than the Angels. That is not something Trout can control.
Tigers gained ground and won the division, Angels couldn’t get a WC berth.
Well, the Tigers actually did not have a better overall team. The Tigers made the playoffs and the Angels didn’t because of divisional alignments, not because the Tigers were the better team.
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
Hey,if I was Stanton I would be the biggest A-hole in Miami. Get me out of here! No right minded GM would hold it against him.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
Enjoy it cab, it’s good.
Joey (Newmarket, ON)
Do the Jays still have a high-end farm system? Top 10?
Klaw (1:37 PM)
Yes. Didn’t put a huge dent in their talent level.
Dan (Tulsa)
Who would you prefer to have for their career, Rosenthal or Miller?
Klaw (1:41 PM)
Miller.
Bay Area Steve
November 15th, 2012
1:44 pm
If the Marlins get a ridiculous offer for Stanton (for argument’s sake: Freeman, Teheran, Delgado, Ahmed, and Zeke), they’d be negligent not to take it.
Everyone says their trades were all salary relief, and of course, they were. But they were also about acquiring talent, and they did that. If they can trade one game-changing talent for multiple, above-average MLB talents, I think they will.
As to the fans being disaffected, how much more could you tick ‘em off? Like most anything today, the only issue is price.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:45 pm
also, I suspect [Stanton's] trade value might take a hit if he did all those [off-the-wall, bad-attitude] things
This is a bad thing for the Braves, how, exactly?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:46 pm
But Rosenthal averaged 97 on the fastball….
And when you can make a trade like that and not have a dent to your farm.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:47 pm
Marlins President David Samson: “Better days are coming with a team that’s younger, hungrier and has a chance to win more.”
Yeah right… 25mil payroll this year.
Benjo (DC)
The Affeldt deal is insane, right?
Klaw (1:46 PM)
Totally. He’s being paid to produce at a level he has never reached since becoming a full-time reliever. His performance has never matched his stuff, unfortunately.
Bay Area Steve
November 15th, 2012
1:48 pm
Looking at it, my trade ain’t enough to make my point. Maybe that’s why I don’t try.
Freeman, Simmons, and the rest, then. Marlins say no? (Not saying the Braves should.)
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:49 pm
Brandon (Sacramento)
Brandon League’s deal, good or bad?
Klaw (1:47 PM)
Bad.
Klaw (1:48 PM)
Stop giving relievers three-year deals. They don’t hold up – they get hurt, their performance year-to-year is too volatile, and plenty of teams have found value in the one-year reliever market over the past five offseasons.
Shaun
November 15th, 2012
1:50 pm
the Most Valuable Player, especially when the team truly needs him.
So what about the months at the beginning of the season when, if Miggy had played as well as he had for the final three months, the Tigers would have had an easier time winning the division.
Plus, again, there is the fact that the Angels were actually a better team than the Tigers. The Tigers had the 7th-best record in the American League. Just because the Tigers made the playoffs doesn’t mean they were the better team.
Of course, none of this matters to me in terms of MVP. If an individual player is the most valuable, he should win the award, regardless of whether the rest of his team was good enough to allow his team to make the playoffs. Miggy and Trout’s value doesn’t change if they had played on a team like the Astros. If Trout were an Astro, he’d still deserve the MVP because his value doesn’t change. It’s his teammates’ collective values that change if he were on the Astros instead of the Angels.
But I do want to point out that if part of your criteria for MVP is team play, the Angels were actually the better team.
CB
November 15th, 2012
1:51 pm
BAS, I would take that trade if I were Loria. Then again,what do I know?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
1:53 pm
so what has been the thoughts on Laird?
Shaun
November 15th, 2012
1:54 pm
Nate Silver:
in fact, there are now systems, like Win Probability Added, that measure all aspects of clutch performance in a comprehensive way. They account not just for the number of runners on base and the number of outs, but also the game score and the inning. A grand slam when a team trails by three runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth turns a near-certain loss into a win, giving a player maximal credit by this system. A grand slam when a team already leads 7-0 gets little credit, since the game is already in hand.
According to this measure, Trout was actually slightly more valuable than Cabrera as an offensive player, considering the timing of his contributions. Add in his defense and base running, and it isn’t all that close a call.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
1:55 pm
If the Marlins get a ridiculous offer for Stanton…they’d be negligent not to take it.
And, hey, if Loria really wanted to get in the grills of all the folks in baseball that are spitting on him now, what better way than to offer Stanton and promote a feeding frenzy? He’d get to see teams elbowing each other like last-day-sale shoppers at Macy’s. He could back-office any offers to every other interested team, make them eat their young, and all sorts of neat stuff. I mean, he could go medieval on his fellow owners and their peasant GMs, LOL.
And, in the end, after making every team jump through as many hoops as he could, up to and including kissing his feet while buying dinner at Joe’s, he could could just say, “Annhhh. Changed my mind.”
I mean, what are they gonna do? Hate him?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
1:56 pm
other than that he will prolly have most of us antsing for macs return
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
1:57 pm
If the Marlins get a ridiculous offer for Stanton (for argument’s sake: Freeman, Teheran, Delgado, Ahmed, and Zeke), they’d be negligent not to take it.
I would not take that trade for Stanton…….
[ducks his head under his desk]
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
1:59 pm
Imagine that….
An article about tearing down project housing and better developing around Turner Field…
Maybe they could get a bit smarter and put money into a direct MARTA rail across from the park…..you know, what some of us have been discussing for quite some time now….
I’d like to think that these things all coupled together would pay for themselves over time if they can make the area safer and provide a better MARTA access to the park….bars and restaurants wouldn’t hurt either…..
Make the area a must be at place in Atlanta.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
1:59 pm
Laird looks okay to me noles. Improved his hitting last 3 years, hopefully he won’t be too exposed for a month. Defense is okay too. Has had success throwing out baserunners, but is just marginally better than Mac in last 3 years.
You’re crazy Efrim… don’t make me come up to CT!
nolie
November 15th, 2012
1:59 pm
stanton is not getting traded for another coupla years
Trader Jack
November 15th, 2012
2:00 pm
scoots
If owners wanted revenge on Loria, have Selig kill the deal and force the franchise into receivership, thereby forcing a sale
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
Looking at it, my trade ain’t enough to make my point. Maybe that’s why I don’t try.
Ah, just saw that.
Honestly, I value position players that you have six years of control over quite a bit – they are just not that easy to develop. So if I’m the Marlins, I’m going to Baltimore(Machado), Texas(Profar) and St. Louis(Tavares) and any other team that has a legit position player prosect. Gotta have that in return for Stanton. Freeman works, but he has the same amount of control as Stanton and I think he’s the lesser value, by far. I don’t know, maybe it’s that Teheran and Delgado haven’t exactly been fantastic, but I’d look elsewhere if I were Miami.
P-Town Brave ©
November 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
BTW…if they’re real serious about building up the area and having the Falcons w/ their own stadium….
Acquire all the land around and build the Falcons stadium across from Turner Field….
Put in bars and restaurants….give it a really great reason for MARTA rail to be put in there and watch the area flourish….
Off the top of my head, I know the Detroit downtown area did this w/ Comerica and Ford Field and I’m sure others have done so as well….
raleighbravefan
November 15th, 2012
2:01 pm
Shaun – Check out my 10:08 AM comment (page 21) RE AL MVP. Comments by Cal Ripkin (who obviously doesn’t know as much as you do).
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:03 pm
I think I brought the trade up yesterday, but I’d want Taveras, Miller and Rosenthal from St. Louis. That’s two Top 20 prospects and possibly another Top 50 in Rosenthal.
Roman Gal
November 15th, 2012
2:04 pm
Going to see Skyfall (YAY!!!!) tomorrow instead of working
It’s definitely worth it, I think. Especially if you’re a fan of the originals. It makes fun of itself a little bit.
Screw work!
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:04 pm
Wait’ll you start trying to navigate Cobb county. It’s wretched!
True… but not as bad as downtown at least for me. Only east Cobb (the rich area) is hard. Much safer community though.
raleighbravefan
November 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
Gotta go. Catch you later.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
If owners wanted revenge on Loria, have Selig kill the deal and force the franchise into receivership, thereby forcing a sale
Theoretically, the commish is supposed to be immune and safe from such ownership pressure.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
2:07 pm
they trade stanton now and those fans down there are gonna go all Fidel on Loria’s ass
Roman Gal
November 15th, 2012
2:11 pm
Much safer community though.
That’s true. There’ve been several games I’ve driven to by myself where I could definitely have felt safer…to put it lightly.
Trader Jack
November 15th, 2012
2:11 pm
scoots
You know it won’t happen. Bud and Loria are a**hole buddies from their days of the Expos fiasco
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:15 pm
I think the lack of hitters in our system has made me position player crazy…..go after them bats!
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:17 pm
2. J.R. Graham, Atlanta Braves
Back in April, Graham was the best Braves prospect on the field during their “Braves All-Stars vs. Future Stars” game. He surrendered three earned in a single inning of work, but his 95-96 MPH fastball and 83-85 MPH slider which flashed above average-to-plus left a strong impression. In his short stint, Graham profiled as high leverage relief arm. Like Tapia, Graham may very well wind up in a big league rotation. However, his so-so strikeout totals in 2012 and my not seeing a third offering forces me to err on the side of caution. Mike Newman – Fangraphs, Scouting the Sally
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:19 pm
4. Christian Bethancourt, Atlanta Braves
Badly rushed with the bat, I’m comfortable giving Braves catching prospect Christian Bethancourt an offensive mulligan through the 2013 season. Why? Bethancourt has bat speed to spare, above average contact skills and showed major signs of offensive development in 2011 before the quick promotion schedule began in earnest. On defense, his catch-and-throw skills are off the charts resulting in regular sub-1.9 pop times. Add to this his excellent athleticism and the potential is there for things to come together quickly in spite of his .566 OPS. Mike Newman – Fangraphs, Scouting the Sally
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:20 pm
Who should backup Laird for 1st month?
Ponce Deitz Leon @PonceDeitzLeon
@ajcbraves @3boyzdad what about Elander? Best bet offensively and good on defense. #gofrogs #braves
umm
Jeff R
November 15th, 2012
2:22 pm
Badly rushed with the bat, I’m comfortable giving Braves catching prospect Christian Bethancourt an offensive mulligan through the 2013 season. Why? Bethancourt has bat speed to spare, above average contact skills and showed major signs of offensive development in 2011 before the quick promotion schedule began in earnest. On defense, his catch-and-throw skills are off the charts resulting in regular sub-1.9 pop times. Add to this his excellent athleticism and the potential is there for things to come together quickly in spite of his .566 OPS. Mike Newman – Fangraphs, Scouting the Sally
Bethancourt is raved about everywhere but on the … blog. Might we be a tad insular here?
nolie
November 15th, 2012
2:24 pm
craqham might be the money saver when kimbrel gets too pricey
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:24 pm
gondeee @gondeee
I don’t see Gattis as a backup catcher, or a catcher to be honest. He’s only DHed in WintBall. He’s a fall-back option for LF, that’s it.
JeffR- I’d be really interested in seeing how he finishes in winter ball… maybe just maybe we give him the shot. More likely than not he’ll need to be ready for 2014. Buck Belue agrees.
CrαZy
November 15th, 2012
2:26 pm
Laird looks okay to me
Nothing against him as a player, but dude is a legit target for certain bloggers fat obsession.
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
but dude is a legit target for certain bloggers fat obsession.
You mean, he’s a…catcher?
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
Bethancourt is raved about everywhere but on the … blog. Might we be a tad insular here?
Him and Salcedo get 2013, for me. If there is no progress(I won’t say significant, but it has to noticeable), then their prospect status will plummet. Moreso in Salcedo’s case, as Bethancourt probably will grow into a skilled defender that could earn him a Jose Molina like career as a backup type.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:31 pm
ESPN’s Mel Kiper believes the Chiefs should select Notre Dame ILB Mant Te’o with the first overall selection, if they end up with it in April.
Yikes, Mel. An ILB in the Top 5 – for a team that runs a 3-4??? I’m a 49ers fan, and I can appreciate impact ILB’s in a 3-4 system. But these players are not drafted in the Top 5, and certainly not #1 overall. Trade out of the pick if that’s the case…..
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
2:33 pm
Him and Salcedo get 2013, for me.
Honestly, Newman is practically raving about Bethancourt, offensively, compared to most reviews I’ve read, anyway. Both guys have to show something with the stick next year, I’m with Efrim on that.
Meanwhile, Teheran has another brutal outing in winter league. He’s making it really hard to keep up my happy face, man.
Murph
November 15th, 2012
2:33 pm
Salcedo is going in the complete wrong direction.
He needs to go back down to A ball and start over. He’s still young, can’t hurt. If they use him in AA or heaven forbid AAA this season he’s going to hit .100. Can’t imagine he has much confidence left at this point, but that would kill whatever little bit he’s been holding on to.
Efrim
November 15th, 2012
2:37 pm
Meanwhile, Teheran has another brutal outing in winter league. He’s making it really hard to keep up my happy face, man.
This could all be why I am so against giving up a draft pick. The Braves have some solid depth in their system, they really do, but if Teheran goes sour and Graham doesn’t develop a changeup….. holy hell, it is not pretty. And I mean not pretty like it hasn’t been in a friggin decade.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:37 pm
I lost my happy face with Teheran a while ago. Prefer Delgado right now, I’d hang onto him tighter. But the scouting reports say that it’s the new delivery that’s caused all the issues. I’d have hoped that he’d have gotten better at it after a full season. And supposedly he isn’t hurt…
brian
November 15th, 2012
2:38 pm
if the Marlins feel the need to take on more salary to appease the commissioner and fan base, I know a former 2nd baseman of theirs who I am sure will be quite popular back in Miami……..
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:42 pm
CBet only has 24 ABs in winterball so far, but he’s OPSing .620. Not 1 K yet.
Salcedo, from what I understand from those who have seen him, looks overmatched. The stat line just further proves that. Keep him at A+, send if to Rome if need be and let Kubitza go to Lynchburg. He does not need to go to AA. He’ll get killed worse than Terdo did at Gwinnett.
Lee in S GA
November 15th, 2012
2:43 pm
“Who should backup Laird for 1st month?”
—————————
probably that J.C. Boscon or Bozo or whatever his name actaully is…..
Murph
November 15th, 2012
2:44 pm
So Teheran changed his delivery and went from one of the best pitching prospects in the game to one of the also-rans? Why not switch back? The kid has a career to think about… one that will never get beyond AAA if he keeps going the way he’s going.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 15th, 2012
2:44 pm
Yeah Teheran and Salcedo are not helping Wren any in his pursuit to land a quality OF with their recent performances on the field.
Braves sign Hamilton yet?
Jeff R
November 15th, 2012
2:46 pm
Him and Salcedo get 2013, for me. If there is no progress(I won’t say significant, but it has to noticeable), then their prospect status will plummet. Moreso in Salcedo’s case, as Bethancourt probably will grow into a skilled defender that could earn him a Jose Molina like career as a backup type.
I concur. But Salcedo is already on the bubble for me. Maybe something will click for Salcedo in ‘13. I hope so.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
2:47 pm
boscan is gone
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:49 pm
Supposedly the old motion was a very risky one.
Teheran’s 2012 struggles can be directly linked to the Braves attempting to smooth out some mechanical flaws in his delivery. His delivery involved a coiling of his body that caused his back plant leg to bend, bringing all of his limbs toward his torso in a coil position before he sprang and released toward the plate. Once he becomes accustomed to the delivery, improved velocity (should return). His original delivery was a byproduct of his smallish frame, as the coiling allowed him to produce power in an unnatural way, that would have led to elbow tendonitis, and probably the need for Tommy John Surgery. The team believes the subtle changes will allow him to be just as effective while putting less strain on his arm.
nolie
November 15th, 2012
2:51 pm
on the bubble at 21? kid will likely be in the system at least until he is rule 5 eligible
Jeff R
November 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
On the bubble for me, nolie (I’m sure Braves’ management has other ideas about Salcedo).
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
His strikeouts, walks, and strikeouts per walk were nearly identical to last year, meaning he was able to maintain control this year despite losing power cause by the delivery change, a good sign, especially if the way he finished the year was a sign that he’d become comfortable with the new delivery.
Hasn’t helped in winter ball so far…
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
From Los Prospectos:
On the pitching side of things, Julio Teheran has pitched poorly for the Tigres over two starts and 6.2 innings of work. Teheranhas allowed 11 hits, five earned runs, while striking out five. Teheran has compiled an ERA of 6.75. Although no longer technically a prospect, Randall Delgado had a nice start for the Tigres on November 10 when he threw five innings, struck out six, permitted 3 hits and one earned run to lower his ERA to 4.70 on the winter league season which has consisted of 7.2 total innings for the Panamanian righty
flange1
November 15th, 2012
2:54 pm
TOBF,
Thanks for posting that at 2:49. I saw it somewhere else and could not find it to post.
It makes me feel at least a little better about JT.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 15th, 2012
2:55 pm
Teheran now up to 8.1 IP of work, 16 hits allowed. 9 runs, 8 earned, 1 HR, 4 BB, 5 Ks .432 avg against.
Lee in S GA
November 15th, 2012
2:57 pm
boscan is gone
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thanks nolie…I did not realize it…thank goodness
DS1
November 15th, 2012
3:02 pm
Can I poke a little fun at yous guys?
DS1 on the phone with Frank Wren: “OK Frank, you do realize that the kid Salcedo and Teheran to a lesser degree are really on the bubble as far as I’m concerned, don’t you?”
Frank to DS1: “Wayne, I’ll take that under advisement. Appreciate you getting with me on that!”
Does it really matter what any of us think?
ncscoots
November 15th, 2012
3:07 pm
Does it really matter what any of us think?
Only to we who think it, LOL. Why should that have any bearing on the matter? The forum isn’t about effecting change.
DS1
November 15th, 2012
3:11 pm
scoots
I just thought it humorous as I was reading everybody’s comments about guys being on the bubble.
So if a guys is on the bubble with me, what the heck do I do if the Braves stick with him and he turns out to be a decent player another 2-3 years out?
“Sorry, but I gave up on his azz 2 years ago!”
brian
November 15th, 2012
3:14 pm
I am surprised the Braves do not take a different approach with Teheran. If they changed his mechanics, saw his fastball flatten out, control suffer, and results stink……..think it is time for a new approach or get a new set of coaching eyes to observe and work with Teheran.