9:32 pm November 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 12th, 201211:59 pm
Where there’s a will, there’s a way!!! Congratulations. Couldn’t of happened to a nicer guy!
i go pick her up this weekend
How did you like the AFL? Great place to watch up and comers. I liked Ahmed’s consistency. Salcedo showed some pop and great fielding but is still very raw. I was also impressed with Chris Smith (Lowe trade), he wasn’t worth the $$ that was paid for Lowe, but he might be a serviceable relief pitcher.
supposedly they offered the Braves Olt for Simmons if you want to believe a rumor
November 13th, 201212:00 am
Oh yea.. DOB.. I would trade Teheran right now.. his arm angle scares me!!!! Very Juan Cruz’esque
you can sell it and help pay some bills
November 13th, 201212:02 am
my girl friend won it i just get to help pay the taxes and get it home
Bravesfan54: You really think picking McCann’s option is crippling this offseason and upcoming season? If they declined it this offseason what would they spend the money on? Besides risky Josh Hamilton and Grienke this class is weak. And if he has another injury plagued year or underperforms he walks.
Delgado has shown much better MLB stuff than Teheran in the times we have seen them. Teheran’s fastball is straight and he does not strike out a lot of batters/ His secondary stuff is just OK, a better change than a curve. I don’t think they are equivalent as so many here tend to assume. Avilan is a big part of our bullpen. Gilmartin is not a high ceiling prospect, and Graham, Martin, and Wood are at least another year away. In truth, there is not a lot in the system to make all the trades so many want to see made and not completely empty the store.
How did all those scouts miss that scary arm angle?
It’s being reported that the Rangers offered Olt for Simmons so they could flip him for Upton.
November 13th, 201212:03 am
You folks bemoaning the signing of McCann crack me up.
Fowler will not be traded.. Span would be a great pick up for the Bravos.. and to top off that.. he is a model citizen.. Same for Tori.. Bring in some good clubhouse guys to take Chippers place.. (I feel bad for the local Hooters.. but I digress)
November 13th, 201212:04 am
where was that report supposedly from?
November 13th, 201212:05 am
How many on here would take 2 years of Alfonso Soriano over 3 more years of Dan Uggla?
That would fix LF and then Prado could move to 2B. Then trade for Headley and maybe sign a cheaper option for CF like Victorio.
idiots always digress
DS1 – getting cracked up by people who are posting their honestly foolish opinions shows a lack of sensitivity Wayne would never have shown…
November 13th, 201212:06 am
nobody with any sense would make that swap
Olt for Simmons was offered. Would have been a great pick up for the Braves.. as for Hoorah.. the scouts (read Baseball America) have always discussed the arm angle. I talked with Keith Law from ESPN a few weeks ago at the AFL and he agreed that it was a very rough delivery.I saw Teheran make his full season debut in Rome in 2009. His angle was terrible. It was evident this year that he was leaving the balls up in the zone. Not convinced he is a #1 starter.. maybe a 3-4.
November 13th, 201212:08 am
arm angle does not equate to rough delivery, and I still want a link to where that offer came from
Saw Olt play in the AFL in 2011.. Impressive pop and great fielder..
November 13th, 201212:10 am
Current headline story on MLB Trade Rumors website. Story by Steve Adams??
November 13th, 2012
Olt for Simmons was offered. Would have been a great pick up for the Braves..
Just to gauge your baseball acumen, I want to be clear that you would jettison Andrelton Simmons at this point of his career?…
November 13th, 201212:12 am
harder to replace SS than it is 3B. If we then obtain Olt, who do we play at SS??
November 13th, 201212:13 am
just because Rumors says it does not in any way prove it to be true, That’s why it has the name that it has.
who was the writer who did that rip job on Justin that was quoted earlier today, anybody know?
November 13th, 201212:14 am
only an idiot GM would have traded Simmons for an unproven prospect like Olt at this point.
Personally, I don’t know that much about Olt outside of what I read here. Supposedly he has a lot of power and is a good third baseman.
If he ends up being the real deal, that is a deal we will lament in years to come. But I am guessing that Simmons is more of a sure thing at this point.
But if the Braves really thought he was all that and more, then they’d of made that deal and lived with Janish until Ahmed is ready. David Wright types are hard to come by.
Why would Texas need Simmons? They have Andrus and Profar waiting in the wings. If Simmons is what it takes to get J Upton and the Braves want Upton more than Olt, then why not trade him directly for Upton?
Some of our acquisitions this winter needs to come from Free Agency so we don’t have to pay in both prospects and dollars. Just a hopeful hunch but it seems like we could pull of one signing and one trade unless it involves trading McCann or Uggla then we can make two impact trades. I’d hate to see us give up Delgado AND Teheran and one of Minor or Gilmartin in the same winter. Wren actually has money to spend this year so I hope he is successful in taking advantage of that. We’ll find out who actually wants to sign in Atlanta when they can choose where they play as a Free Agent. Traded players have no choice if they don’t have no trade clauses. The effect Fredi Gonzalez will have on attracting players will show up this year because the Braves can actually be in the Free Agent market for the first time in years.
November 13th, 201212:16 am
Probably remembering Marte and Betemit like somebody said earlier.
Yep.. here is the angle you work. You are picking up a cornerstone player. Something that is not coming up through the farm system (first person that says Juan Francisco is the option gets a back hand). Simmons, while a really good fielder, MAY NOT (and bring on the flamers) hit MLB pitching for better than .240-.260 per year. Your angle is pick up Olt, for Simmons, establish a corner hitting power prospect behind Freeman/Heyward. Get a SS that is low expense till Ahmed is ready. B/c trust me.. the kid can pick, and has a good bat.
Now bring on the Junior scouts.. Ready for the “know it alls”
November 13th, 201212:18 am
Would you deal Simmons for McCutchen? David Wright? Chase Headley?
That’s what it would take to get those guys (or substitute Prado for Simmons)
Don’t get me wrong folks, I LOVE Simmons. But we played REAL well while Janish was pickin em at SS. A true cleanup power hitter is hard to come by. So are top notch SS’s.
The real question is this: Which one wins you more games?
Jim, the thought was Texas acquires Simmons and bounces him to Az for J-up. They want to hold on to Andrus and Profar..
November 13th, 201212:19 am
Keep Delgado,Teherhan.Should have kept Ross 2yrs. 6mil.Worth every penny with what he brought to team.He was a proven player in a limited role.MCann is hurt.Should have given him time to heal!
Move Uggla to 3rd., Prado to 2nd.Let Bourne go,Hanson too, get what you can for him.Except rightfield open up competion for center & left.Give that late blooming catcher a shot to play!Main thing get everyone healthy! Who knows going w/ what you have is better than blowing up team Beachy returns 2014.
and the person that questioned me on Teheran.. here is the link to Baseball Prospectus http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17558
November 13th, 201212:20 am
you have no idea at all if Olt is a cornerstone player, Marte and Betemit were both as highly touted as he is or more so, neither ended up as anything at all. That is why you seldom see major leaguers traded for prospects except at the deadline by dead teams.
November 13th, 201212:22 am
I know that FW has said that he is not interested in pitching. And I agree. But suppose the Braves can’t find what they need on the FA market for LF or CF. Then do you pluck a guy like Dan Haren off the FA pile and then deal one of your better pitchers to fill your outfield needs?
November 13th, 201212:23 am
wait.. how long did Simmons play this year?? You act like he won the ROY and was hitting .300..
As for Olt, you are right, I don’t.. do you think Simmons is? Or are you the typical Braves fan that sees one player as the “savior of the team” *cough, Francouer, cough, cough…
That link says absolutely nothing unless you are a paid subscriber, why would you post it, Mr Everybody Else Is A Know-it-all ?
arent they getting eready to arrest wilpon? wright will probably be traded
November 13th, 201212:24 am
Sometimes you gotta roll the dice brother!
November 13th, 201212:25 am
I know how many runs Simmons saved in half a season, that is what I know. He was ranked second in MLB in that short a time. If he hits at all he will be very valuable
this was in the free spot.. guess you are too cool to read the entire article.. The Braves took the governor off the young arm in 2010, and Teheran exploded into the rarified air of the prospect world. Spanning three levels, the 19-year-old shoved a 93-97 mph fastball down hitters’ throats, learned to miss more bats with his ever-improving curveball, and his changeup continued to be a monster pitch. Teheran’s control was sharp, his command was refining, and he showed a mature feel for setting up hitters with sequence. Questions remained about his delivery and his frame, as the former could get a bit jerky and noisy, and the body still appeared under-developed, so more strength
November 13th, 201212:26 am
I’d send NY a pretty good bounty for David Wright.
and your right.. I do know this stuff. I pretty much live in Minor league parks and the AFL yearly
scroll down and check out her bike
taking serious offers under consideration
November 13th, 201212:29 am
Good that Brian D is so much smarter than Wren and the others – shocking that he is not working in an MLB front office somewhere…
Undoubtedly will be announced shortly…
Braves have a thing about dealing very good SS’s. Andrus, Escobar, and then letting my main man Sea Bass go! Is Simmons next?
I’m mainly just being the devil’s advocate here. I love Simmons game! Love to keep him. But NOBODY is untradeable except for Kimbrel, Heyward and Freeman.
November 13th, 201212:30 am
this was in the free spot.. guess you are too cool to read the entire article…Brian D
what the hell is that supposed to mean? How do you read it if you aren’t a member, cool or not?
Is that D for Dentz?
Here’s the most significant line in the blog:
“But I don’t see Hunter leaving the AL, where he’s spent his entire career and wants to win a World Series with a team before he retires.”
I know that’s just DOB talking, but I think the notion that the Braves are a true World Series contender is a fiction which is not believed by most.
November 13th, 201212:31 am
sure you do, we can all tell that
November 13th, 201212:32 am
You gotta find a way to strap one of those Oxygen tubes onto your back and give her a spin.
November 13th, 201212:33 am
Here’s your link:
Now see, that was not so hard……..
the only thing I can tell for certain is that he is a smug, condescending wannabe
November 13th, 201212:35 am
why would anybody believe a story just because it is on that site? It is called TradeRumors for a reason, and I have read tons of things there that were not true
November 13th, 201212:37 am
did you bother to scroll down. I don’t have a subscription either, but on the free preview part the line that I was “quoting” was in there…. and as for the smart ass comment about the front office. No, I don’t work for a team.. or maybe I do… You will never know. Just some advice.. keep your head in the sand.. it will all work out.. Just as soon as the Braves call up that great SS, Andres Thomas, and the quality arm of Zane Smith.. Lets see how long the Wren era lasts when Mike Minor is the best arm you have developed in 5-10 years.. I am not sold on Delgado, and Teheran has to regain his 2011 form again.
Later trolls.. I have work to do
November 13th, 201212:38 am
and for the record.. you guys (meaning Hoorah, Venice Jim) are the reason I don’t normally comment on these articles. Just felt like I wanted to comment on DOB’s work.. but thanks for being the interwebs “Tough guys”..
Simmons only played 3 months because he started the year in the minors while the Pastornicky experiment was being conducted then he missed almost 6 weeks because of his injury.
He won the defensive player of the month twice and only played 3 months. That’s how valuable he is. I heard a stat last summer that he saved the Braves more runs than any team in years in the short time he was on the field. He doesn’t have to hit like Jeter to be valuable but I for one see him being a solid offensive contributor. Highlight reel defensively and solid contact hitter that will run into some big clutch hits because of his approach to hitting.
This is not to say you don’t trade him if it makes the team better but guys like him are what the vast majority of the bloggers have been calling for this offseason great defenders that know how to put the bat on the ball. Dozens of references to how the Giants won the WS. Simmons is a model of just that type of player…..
D for Dentz huh? might be, but not so sure
November 13th, 201212:39 am
When I was young, I coulda been a big, big baseball superstar.
I could hit with power. Run the bases like Bambi! Was a top notch CF’er, in the mold of Mickey Mantle. Had a rocket for an arm, that woulda made Francoeur jealous. And I rarely K’d, and took some judicious Base on Balls. Hit to all fields with an incredibly high average. In simple terms, I RAKED!
Then I woke up……………
November 13th, 201212:40 am
Half empty, you are right about the smug part.. but I am not a wannabe..
November 13th, 201212:41 am
but he is sounding more like it as he gets angry isn’t he?
From somewhere I can remember reading almost that same ranting paragraph I think.
November 13th, 201212:43 am
The Pug is snoring to beat the band. That might be a sign………….. time for the 5 tool stud to return in a few winks………..
November 13th, 201212:44 am
he is right about the condescending part too, and so far I haven’t read anything that makes me think you are anything more than a wannabe either. anybody can read a scouting report. But I digress
I believe everything that’s on the internet. They can’t put stuff on there that’s not true, can they?
November 13th, 201212:45 am
Good night DS1, I have to go too. I will leave it to Brian to entertain the crowd
anyone decides they need a nice new harley sporster 883 before i pick her up in wilmington on friday, let me know and deals can be made
try and not get down on life when i get thrown all these lemons, but now i get thrown some strawberries in amongst the lemons, and it has stung me the wrong way today. we went to the beach a couple months back and onb the way home stopped at the scotchman and got some gas. they had a sign up said to text to win the harly sporster, so i show renee the sign and say you know , you could probably win that.
well we get the call today and she won it. a nice red and black 883 sporster. now how am i gonnna ride this while on oxygen 24/7. he sure has a cruel sense of humour at me for some reason now
scroll down and check out her bike
November 13th, 201212:49 am
You are probably right DS1, if it is on the web it must be true. Actually maybe it is true, perhaps DOB can report about it for us.
November 13th, 201212:50 am
That is a beauty alright Gary.
November 13th, 201212:53 am
I’d love to, except I require 4 wheels under my big azz when riding. Got a Jeep Wrangler and that’s about as adventurous as I get.
Good luck buddy!
November 13th, 201212:54 am
You could put training wheels on it DS1.
November 13th, 201212:56 am
Hmmm. He cleared out pretty quick after the dreaded D-name was mentioned.
November 13th, 20121:14 am
I completely agree that picking up McCann’s option was really risky and will more than likely prove to be a mistake. The only one Guaranteed to win in that deal is McCann. He gets a great paycheck next year (2nd highest paid catcher in the game behind only Mauer). If he struggles with his injury longer than expected and underperforms (shoulder surgeries are really tricky Smoltz came back from Tommy John but his shoulder injury ended his career) the Braves won’t make a qualifying offer to him out of fear he’ll take it and they’d have two seasons paying him more than $12 Million with little to show for it.
If they don’t make him a qualifying offer he walks as a free agent with no compensation. The only two outcomes that work for the Braves is they trade him this winter to an AL team or he plays pain free and has his best year in 3 years next summer. I’m an eternal optimist but even I have a hard time believing he won’t have some setbacks after such a major surgery. They found more damage in there than they expected. Writing was on the wall when Wren said he didn’t think it would take surgery and two weeks later Brian was on an operating table. I can’t imagine McCann wanting to risk not being able to play well in a contract year so he couldn’t gamble with time. He needed to start the clock on the recovery time right away.
I guess we’re left with hoping for the best.. Either a win-win trade to an AL team that can sign him long term or a healthy Brian McCann raking for the Braves next summer.
November 13th, 20121:47 am
they have no replacement for McCann which along with what he has meant to the club so far are the main reasons it was done. I doubt very seriously that they will trade him next season, and I see no reason to assume that they will not give a qualifying offer next winter if he has a good year
November 13th, 20122:08 am
Jim you didn’t have to admit that the new blog was about you. We are still overjoyed that you showed up.
Voice of Reason
November 13th, 20122:51 am
I read in the Denver Post that Michael Cuddyer is available. Think that he could be quite helpful in playing in left field and adding a good bat to protect the middle of our lineup.
November 13th, 20123:23 am
I know there’s a lot of BS on the blog posts, but this one kind of got me…
and for the record.. you guys (meaning Hoorah, Venice Jim) are the reason I don’t normally comment on these articles. Just felt like I wanted to comment on DOB’s work.. but thanks for being the interwebs “Tough guys”.. — Brian D
This dude comments CONSTANTLY on “these articles” – just under different monikers. I’m sure you can recognize his work.
If lying, on here, was illegal… this dude would get about 85 life sentences… to be served, consecutively! What a load of crap…
November 13th, 20123:29 am
Oh yeah, and while I was perusing the blog comments, I rather enjoyed this one, too…
One of my great strengths in life is being underestimated. — phil
phil, old buddy, just so you know I don’t underestimate you;
I consider you the King Of Whiners!
I’ll just refer to you as, KOW, from now on. That way, you won’t feel so underestimated.
November 13th, 20123:35 am
nolie…. completely agree what Brian has meant to the club is a big part of why the Braves picked up the contract. They took huge hits in the PR department with the way they handled the Smoltz exit and the ending of Glavine’s career. I for one remember how Brian signed an extension to stay with the Braves and gave them a bit of a hometown discount when Francouer passed on a similar offer. Who knows there could have been a gentleman’s agreement at that time that if he signed for the discount the Braves would pick up the option at the end no matter what.. Just a thought and no way of knowing unless someone on the inside someday reveals it. The Braves might have even left it up to him and he chose to stay another year because he didn’t want to test free agency fresh off surgery. Again only guesses but there is usually more to the story than the public gets to know about.
It’s a tough balance when it seems almost certain that Brian will leave via free agency next year because of the DH factor in the AL. Do we just let him go for a draft pick “assuming the qualifying offer” or trade him for something of value knowing he’s leaving anyway?
November 13th, 20124:38 am
Me? Rub it in? Never…..
McLouth for CF and Melky in LF sound good for premium players…. we need some way to get the power bat of Olt or Upton. Upton possibly more favorable since he is an OF and proven. But much like Myers and Heyward, Olt looks like the real thing… and we’d get 6 years of control. Ohhh nice!
November 13th, 20124:51 am
Ross is a better all-around catcher, then McCann ever hope to be.
November 13th, 20125:09 am
I am not sold on Delgado, and Teheran has to regain his 2011 form again.
Brian D –
I’m not either. As for Simmons, I’ll be curious to see how he fares this season, after an unexpected rookie performance. He never played above A-ball, until last season and still hasn’t played a 162 game season. I hope he can handle it.
Thanks for the BPro link.
November 13th, 20125:25 am
You sneak in here at 2:51am after being absent for what? A year? WTF?? Unreasonable.
November 13th, 20126:04 am
I understand not wanting to overpay for Ross, but it seems to me, Wren should have approached David as soon as he read those comments, rather than wait until the offseason. Letting Ross get back home and away from the team only increased the risk of free agent offers.
Of course, maybe Wren did and Ross was just BSing us. Ross is really just a conniving traitor who wanted the full time job, because bloggers said he was better than Mac. Prick.
November 13th, 20126:32 am
…or, Wren and Ross verbally agreed to a contract, but it is still in the Liberty Media Controller’s office awaiting approval. Bean counter prick.
November 13th, 20127:00 am
Yes, the Braves’ five-prospect trade package they sent to Texas for Mark Teixeira is still viewed around baseball as an example of what can happen when you become too focused on winning now and getting a player you believe will put you over the hump in the postseason.
Ah, how valuable. The Braves’ management provided a textbook lesson of what not to do for their peers. There should be some kind of award for that.
November 13th, 20127:02 am
I think Span is the man in CF if Wren can come up with an acceptable package for the Twins.
November 13th, 20127:07 am
I’m not sure a one-year deal was going to cut it for Ross, anyway. I think Ross and his agent rightly figured that this was Ross’ last chance to hit pay dirt and wanted to give free agency a go.
Can’t blame Ross. I don’t think he just flitted off to the Red Sox. The Braves had their chance to lock him up. Notice there’s nothing out of the Braves’ front office suggesting that Ross didn’t give management a chance to counter the Bosox’ offer?
November 13th, 20127:09 am
boston fans hate this signing about as much as we do. the ross acquisition gives them the ability to trade one of their established catchers, presumably salty.
this irritates me almost as the infield fly rule. almost.
November 13th, 20127:30 am
The whole team needs to be reworked. As much as I like Simmons, I would consider trading him to Texas if that’s true. They would pay a big price for him. I would tell Texas they must take Uggla & McCann. Trade for Span & sign Hunter/Victorino. Move Prado to second and let Janish & Ahmed fight it out for SS. Sign a good defensive catcher and see if Betancourt can handle the pressure.
FA/Betencourt C Give him a chance never can tell how he would react
November 13th, 20127:35 am
Boy my head sure is spinning this morning. Trade this , sign that, keep this, dump that. All I know is that you need to keep Simmons and Minor AND SAY NO TO UPTONS!
November 13th, 20127:37 am
Braves have graduated Hanson, Beachy, Kimbrel, Venters, Medlen, Freeman, , Minor, and Simmons to the big club in the last four years.
Nine big time players on the twenty five man produced by their system to go along with McCann, Prado, and Chipper from earlier days.
Uggla, Bourn, Ross, Hinske, Maholm, O’ Flaherty, Durbin, and Hudson were brought in through free agency or trade in recent years.
Think about what that says about the state of the team just prior to Wren taking over. Outside of Chipper, Huddy, and McCann, there was very little talent on the 25 man.
If the Braves can fill the two remaining voids, especially with the money they have to spend, they have a talented team for a few years before their pipeline has to start producing again.
November 13th, 20127:41 am
Can’t blame Ross
Jeff – Oh, I don’t blame Ross. It was his chance to cash in like a Reno casino.
November 13th, 20127:48 am
The answers are simple, are right here and won’t cost a ton of money. Keep Prado in LF, start Francisco at 3B, start Jose Constanza in CF. Boscan would be a fine backup catcher. Please NO TRADES and don’t sign any any scrap heep Free Agents!!!
November 13th, 20127:57 am
Sad that you felt compelled to make and take the Braves case for not resigning Ross for 2 years. The toughest position in baseball, the best number 2 in baseball, terrific handler of pitchers, fine as a starter, team leader, clutch player and an injured McCann-that is my case for giving Ross that pitiful 2 year contract. A disgraceful move (see the part time Chipper contracts, the ridiculous Uggla deal, etc) considering Ross actually earned his money-but that is just so unusual on this team that it must be hard for Wren to recognize.
November 13th, 20128:02 am
November 13th, 20128:05 am
So the Braves payroll will be slightly raised — guess Liberty is going to pocket that additional $25 million each team is receiving from the national TV contracts. Small marketdom awaits.
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