9:32 pm November 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 13th, 201211:32 pm
Frosted Lucky Charms is magically malicious…
November 13th, 201211:34 pm
Man, I feel sorry for the Marlins’ 15 season ticket holders…that organization is one freakin’ joke!
The Marlin’s knew Uggla top ticked and bailed at the right time. No way they take them back.
Staunton may demand and get a trade but will not be in the division. He is pissed today but if they take one of those SS plus a pitcher and get Justin Upton for example he will calm down.
Also I suspect the new manager and hitting coach reviewed the punt list and possibly help build it before they took the jobs.
They build a team for Gullien and it sucked. They are now building a team for much better leaders.
Still crazy but perhaps not as crazy as we think.
November 13th, 201211:36 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
lead-off CF JOSE CONSTANZA [.345 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO.
C CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT [.250 BA] 1-1.
CF FELIX PIE [.247 BA] 0-2
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.243 BA] 2-3, 1 RBI . game in the top of the eighth.
DH CHRIS GARCIA [.300 BA] 0-2.
RF JOSH KROEGER [.212 BA] 1-2, 2 RBI , 2 BB, 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.314 BA] 1-4, 1 E [4, throw].
DH EVAN GATTIS [.265 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO.
November 13th, 201211:37 pm
if you mean Godwyn, he is killed in the Black Plague IIRC
November 13th, 201211:39 pm
I did. Thanks.
Well, we get to see YUNEL 18 times next season….barring injury of course. Should be a good comparision between he and SIMMONS. I much prefer SIMMONS.
Frosted Lucky Charms
November 13th, 201211:42 pm
Malicious? What’s malicious is what the Bengals did to the Giants Sunday. Pathetic display of football by the Champs…pathetic.
November 13th, 2012
“…….I wouldn’t bet against Miami trading Stanton. They could get a great haul for him from the Braves or anybody else. I’d offer them Uggla and 3 prospects not named Teheran or 4 prospects without Uggla. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Does anybody know Meija’s status? If he is still in the organization he could be a useful throw-in……”
Added to the protected roster last week.
November 13th, 201211:44 pm
November 13th, 201211:48 pm
You were aware that PAUL KEYES passed saturday a week ago? Good baseball man. I’ll always have a fond rememberance of him as he was the first to offer my grandson a full ride.
Great lines from Crasnick:
The outrage in South Florida was palpable when the Marlins packed off Ramirez to the Dodgers and sent Anibal Sanchez and Omar Infante to Detroit at the July non-waiver trade deadline. That flurry of activity was perceived as a “selloff” at the time. In hindsight, it was just an appetizer for an all-you-can-trade Jeffrey Loria smorgasbord.
November 13th, 201211:49 pm
W&M’s announcer retiring after 41 years with the school.
November 13th, 201211:50 pm
rich- I was not – very sad…
November 13th, 201211:53 pm
So when is STANTON becominfg a BRAVE? And who do we send down to art-dealers heaven, and baseball purgatory? HANSON, SPRUILL, PASTORNICKY, MEJIA, and CUNNINGHAM?
November 13th, 201211:54 pm
actually thinking back more, he escaped the plague and I think Caris killed him with a cross stuck in his neck when he tries to have her killed. the last episode was very lame IMO
November 13th, 201211:55 pm
I agree completely.
November 13th, 201211:56 pm
Wow – had not heard about Bobby retiring- he was SID when I was there. We pitched at least one intramural softball game against each other…
Glad I listened to his entire final game…
Thanks for pointing it out…
November 13th, 201211:57 pm
NYTOL VJ and all, ’till next time.
November 14th, 201212:00 am
Wonder if the sell off in Miami will herald a sale of the team to a new owner like Mark Cuban
That works, too, nolie. I detested that guy.
November 14th, 201212:02 am
Later, rich – and, of course, I have one final game to listen to…
November 14th, 201212:05 am
Thanks, VJ! I had forgotten that the Marlins dealt Sanchez at the deadline. If they deal Nolasco as expected, their rotation would be so thin JJ would be worth a gamble.
November 14th, 201212:12 am
“I like Vegas too. I also like Elementary, Last Resort, and Arrow”
I have all of the episodes of Vegas on the TiVo. I’m watching these other three. I love Last Resort although I know it’s going to get canceled. I’m a fan of Elementary as well. Jonny Lee Miller was phenomenal on a little watched show called Eli Stone so this was a no-brainer season pass for us. Coincidentally, one of the executive producers of it is also running Arrow, which is okay thus far but nothing special.
The show this season that has pleasantly surprised me the most is Nashville. I’m the one Tennessean who isn’t a fan of country music. I did love a Callie Khouri movie called Something to Talk About that starred Julia Roberts and Vegas’ Dennis Quaid. I felt like it nailed southern sensibilities more than Hollywood usually manages. Khouri has put a lot of thought into the characters in Nashville, building a much better framework than most pilots. And music fans should note that T-Bone Burnett handles all the songs created for the show.
November 14th, 201212:19 am
yeah it looks like Last Resort will not be extended. dumb asses.
I have Eli Stone on a hard drive, I really liked it a lot.
November 14th, 201212:35 am
I’d say we’d need to get out of Miami’s division, but there are some winnable games now and they haven’t been afraid to trade to us in the past. Let’s get Stanton.
Gil in Mechanicsville
November 14th, 20121:36 am
I would say Miami is the new Houston but that would be an insult to Houston. At least the Astros were trying to build a winner for the long haul, they just have not been successful at it. The Marlins are pretty transparent in who and what they are all about. Why would you want to be in a different division, it is 18 games you can pad your stats against.
November 14th, 20121:48 am
Hello everyone! How’s it going? Let’s have a little fun here, and start some bets on how long it will take Wren, to make a trade, or if ever? little humor
November 14th, 20121:54 am
You never know? It could be more entertaining than waiting on Wren?
November 14th, 20122:25 am
I like how the Marlins gave up just about everyone they acquired last season, and their powerhouse right fielder for a list of players headlined by Yunel Escobar from Toronto. Man I would hate to be a player, a fan, or even a beer vendor for the Miami Marlins. Glad that JJ, Reyes, and Stanton are no longer in our division though. On the subject of our own clubhouse: I really hated to see Ross go. Most teams last year would have taken him as their starter. Great guy, great player, he will be missed. Hopefully Wren can do better than all the Cody Ross rumors I’ve been hearing lately. Just my 2 cents but… It seems the Twins are the best trading partner for the Braves. They have what we’re looking for, and we have what the desperately need (starting pitching). I’d see if they would bite on a Hanson, Delgado for D. Span, R. Doumit, and T. Plouffe. Span gives us the center fielder/leadoff, Doumit gives us the experienced backup catcher who can hit (it doesn’t hurt that he plays the corner outfields and is a switch hitter either), and Plouffe gives us the super utility player with power off the bench. With the money we’ve saved pick up Zach Greinke. Pitching and defense win championships. SP: Greinke, Medlen, Minor, Maholm, Hudson. Batting: Span, Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Uggla, Mac/Doumit, Simmons, Plouffe. Not gonna happen, but still… I really like the sound of that rotation
November 14th, 20122:36 am
Most likely the bench could be?
3. Paul Janish
4. Reed Johnson, Hope the Braves sign?
5. Who’s the catcher? Bethancourt, and Gattis until Mac comes back? I would wan’t Bethancourt, and Gattis than any of the Free Agent chumps on the list.
November 14th, 20122:41 am
It wouldn’t hurt to play Gattis, and Bethancourt until Mac gets ready. Why not? The Free Agent list of Catchers suck, and is pahtetic! Go with the youngsters.
November 14th, 20122:42 am
I hope Wren, avoids the Free Agent Catcher list……Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!
November 14th, 20122:54 am
All, have a good one! Keep hope! Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tomorrow some time…..
November 14th, 20126:28 am
Jeffrey Loria’s presentation to the opponents of public funded stadiums has been much more impressive than an old PowerPoint presentation. It keeps that Miami Stadium deal in the news…
April: After more than a year of negotiations, the Falcons and the GWCCA abandon an open-air stadium, concluding the challenges of two neighboring stadiums are too great. Instead, they shift their focus to a retractable-roof, indoor-outdoor facility that would lead to the demolition of the Dome. The GWCCA’s stadium development committee sees a PowerPoint presentation on “business term concepts” that includes a goal of “June/July 2012” for an agreement with the Falcons on a single-stadium plan.
Now: Negotiations continue between the Falcons and the GWCCA.
What’s next: The GWCCA says it hopes to reach an agreement with the team by the end of the year. If a deal is reached, the GWCCA would ask the Georgia Legislature next year to approve an increase in the agency’s debt limit.
November 14th, 20126:54 am
At least the big trade between Toronto and Miami gave us something exciting to talk about. Maybe we’ll see more action today.
November 14th, 20127:02 am
I’d say that commissioner Bud Selig should invoke his “best interest of baseball” powers to nullify the blockbuster. But frankly, the best interests of baseball would be better served if the deal led to Loria’s demise.
– Ken Rosenthal
What a horrible owner. Loria drove the Expos into the ground, and has been doing so to the Marlins for a while. He has no business owning a major league franchise.
November 14th, 20127:04 am
“Big trade?” More of a giveaway by the Marlins. Loria’s a disgrace to the game.
November 14th, 20127:13 am
Why would you expect competence on the next deal after this fiasco?
Simple – Stanton is making the league minimum for 2013. This is something you aren’t understanding.
The Braves can lead with Teheran and Delgado (or Spruill or Gilmartin if the Marlins like them). Florida takes the two they want in this theoretical scenario and they suddenly have four interesting young arms to anchor their rotation.
Or they can get a position player back in the deal and they have more probability of succeeding and staying healthy – therefore giving the Marlins a better chance of maxing that players value in the long run.
They aren’t trading Stanton – and certainly not for Zeke Spruill and Sean Gilmartin(or any mix of the four you mentioned). There are better systems out there. That’s logical. Not thinking the Braves have more chips than any team in the sport. They don’t.
November 14th, 20127:57 am
hmm Liberty Media or Loria, which would you like to see as owner of the Braves. Enough said. Stanton is not going anywhere and there is nothing he can do about it either. He is not up for free agency. The dude is stuck there.
November 14th, 20128:01 am
Go get Giancarlos Stanton from Marlins. They are liquidating.
November 14th, 20128:04 am
I could see Loria making sure Stanton doesn’t go anywhere and try to spin, building the franchise around him and maybe a little out of spite since Stanton has spoken out about how awful is this deal. And Escobar out of Toronto, they finally found someone that would take him.
November 14th, 20128:20 am
The joke is on the taxpayers of Miami-Dade county
An article in the Miami Herald, referred to the stadium as a Death Star, with its tractor beam pulling money out of taxpayers pockets, and into Lord Loria’s
November 14th, 20128:23 am
It makes no sense for Miami to deal Stanton. He’s cheap.
You never know how the season will develop. It’s just as likely that our season will hinge on major improvement by someone like Uggla or Francisco, as it will on us getting some wonderful replay of Willingham’s or Pagan’s 2012.
November 14th, 20128:24 am
I wonder what is going thru their new manager’s head Redmond right now. IF he was told before he took the job that they were unloading all of his talent.
November 14th, 20128:29 am
Stanton needs to keep B’ing… call out Loria, the FO, whatever. Find some way to get out now.
He will be staying around, unfortunately. Hes cheap and has no choice. Feel sorry for him.
November 14th, 20128:33 am
November 14th, 20128:41 am
Regarding Stanton, refer to Efrim’s post at 7:13 am.
November 14th, 20128:42 am
It would not surprise me if Loria didn’t tell Redmond what he was about to do. Redmond is not going to make waves because this is his first big shot. Better them than us.
November 14th, 20128:43 am
Holy cow, Marlins. What a mess.
Where is the commissioner on the Miami debacle? When is the “Best interests of baseball” trigger to move Loria out? The MLB has tools, formal and informal, to start moving against Loria.
November 14th, 20128:44 am
November 14th, 20128:48 am
Holy cow that is a massive trade by the Marlins. That is crazy! Absolutely crazy! They only have $16M committed to next season now. Sheeeeeeesh.
The commissioner, if he has a shred of integrity, needs to nix the Miami-Toronto deal. Way back, Bowie Kuhn would have likely thrown out the deal as a salary dump and injurious to the Miami franchise.
<i?If the commissioner would shut down the deal, he’d shut down Loria. It might precipitate Loria’s exit from the game.
What a pox and disgrace Loria is on the game.
November 14th, 20128:49 am
STANTON for an entire team
November 14th, 20128:50 am
The Marlins wouldn’t trade Stanton within the division? Why is that? Are they afraid they’d lose more games to division rivals and come in last or something? I believe that ship already sailed to Los Angeles and Toronto.
November 14th, 20128:52 am
I’m waiting for the first post claiming that the Braves will come in fifth in the NL East this season.
November 14th, 20128:53 am
this is mind blowing. what a difference a year makes in miami. pimps to paupers. great day to be a braves fan!!
November 14th, 20128:54 am
I’ll say fourth Lew. Jus sayin’.
November 14th, 20128:55 am
I’m an optimist.
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
A source close to Mike Redmond says that he was told going in that this was the plan. No surprise to him
Probably why Mike Redmond got the job… Not like a top managerial candidate was going to take that job!!!
November 14th, 20128:57 am
Mixxo – Dude!!!! A positive attitude? Have you been sick or something?
November 14th, 20128:59 am
Last for the Braves, Lew. Right behind the Marlins.
If Selig has the balls to kill the deal, which I strongly doubt, the Marlins payroll for 2013 would be approx. $65-70 mil.
That might be enough to force the franchise into receivership, allowing MLB to step in and force a sale.
November 14th, 20129:00 am
The Death Star was used to blow up planets, not suck objects out of planets.
November 14th, 20129:01 am
urban redneck..or great day to be a Blue Jay.
November 14th, 20129:02 am
A source close to Mike Redmond says that he was told going in that this was the plan. No surprise to him
What does that say about Redmond’s integrity, first managerial gig or not? Who hires Redmond after he jumps aboard Loria’s disaster? Seems his better judgement was trumped by his desire for a manager’s job, regardless the circumstance.
November 14th, 20129:03 am
The Miami stadium is more of a “black hole.”
Our rotation will be last in avg. fastball speed….
November 14th, 20129:04 am
Selig is not going to step in. It was a trade. IF they were trying to sell all of those players that would be different. Loria by far the worst owner in baseball, possibly in all of sports. I wonder if the first call last night or today made by Stanton was to his agent asking, is there anything we possibly can do to get out of here? Maybe be like George Costanza and start dragging the WS trophies from the bumper of his car around the stadium parking lot.
Although I guess it did suck in the Falcon. It just wasn’t its main purpose. Like going to Captain D’s and ordering chicken.
November 14th, 20129:05 am
Where is the commissioner on the Miami debacle?
November 14th, 20129:06 am
The Death Star did have a tractor beam also. You don’t understand analogies?
You’re right on target, Trader Jack.
Maybe Miami area congressmen should have a little chat with the commish about the Loria debacle. Seems that the MLB still enjoys an exemption from monopoly laws.
That could always change, of course.
November 14th, 20129:07 am
November 14th, 20129:08 am
The Marlins wouldn’t trade Stanton within the division? Why is that?
I don’t think that’s even an issue. There is an ‘easy to get’ comparison of the trades the Marlins have made at the deadline to last night: ALL of the players going the other way were making more than the league minimum – Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Omar Infante, Heath Bell, Josh Johnson, Mark Buerhle, Jose Reyes, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio.
Giancarlo Stanton does not fall into this category. He is not apart of “the business model” of the Miami Marlins. Since he is not making more than $550K for 2013, he will not be traded. Will he be traded at some point over the next four years? Likely. But not now.
November 14th, 20129:09 am
Ray money was involved..
I wonder if the first call last night or today made by Stanton was to his agent asking, is there anything we possibly can do to get out of here?
Yeah, go public with his discontent, often and loud. He should see if he can push Loria’s button hard enough to force a deal.
Wouldn’t make Stanton unprofessional. I think most other owners would understand Stanton’s position, and cut him plenty of slack.
November 14th, 20129:11 am
Ray its a trade masking a huge salary dump. Got to read between the lines.
Hey, but the Marlins uniforms are nice, aren’t they?
Yes, I understand analogies. But when I think of “s*cking” (thank you, filter) the first thing that comes to mind isn’t the Death Star. I would’ve gone with vacuum clearner or Corky Miller or someyhing.
November 14th, 20129:13 am
I cant see bobby cox coaching the blue jays again… I wouldn’t be surprised if you saw maybe tony la russa but I just cant see cox going but weird things have happened in baseball….. Now i hope the braves can make some moves!
November 14th, 20129:15 am
November 14th, 20129:17 am
I totally understand that money was involved. I get that. The fact that they got players back is the key. Whether we agree or not, they can justify about going younger etc, rebuilding. This is not the first time he has unloaded high priced players. So from the commissioner’s stand point he is not going to change it. And it has nothing to do with not having the baseball’s to step in. I am sure he is not pleased with the deal but its very little the office can do about it. And why are WE upset about this. This is a team within the braves division that is continuing to be a train wreck. That is good. The Nat’s and Phils are a problem for the Braves not the dead fish.
Well, I’m going to have to go down to Miami for a Braves game this summer. I should be able to sit right behind the plate purchasing a ticket day of the game. Plenty of leg room. I can spread out. Get some work done. Take in a climate controlled MLB game in a nice quiet atmosphere. Sounds relaxing.
November 14th, 20129:20 am
Ef, perhaps Stanton is affordable, but, Wren could inquire. He could offer to take a load off the Marlins. Stanton and that thing in the outfield for Delgado; 2 year commitment to posting that HR art piece in Turner Field. Totally worth it.
November 14th, 20129:22 am
Stanton needs to keep B’ing… call out Loria
as long as stanton is cheap, only way he gets dealt is if he keeps on insulting loria’s arts acumen. that’s the only thing that affects the cheap ahle
Last season Jose Reyes said he was still glad he signed with Marlins. I wonder if will still feel that way when his paycheck is smaller.
November 14th, 20129:28 am
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
enjoyed bobby cox managing jays speculation but braves schuerholz said he assumes hed have heard about it if anything to it
Can’t see him managing again…. just can’t
Efrim – I realize all of that – I was reponding to someone who posted he wouldn’t be traded to a division rival..
Be nice if we COULD steal him, though. Stanton is one player that might make most of the Braves’ fans happy.
The fact that they got players back is the key. Whether we agree or not, they can justify about going younger etc, rebuilding.
i had similar discussion with some folks earlier. this POV would make at least some sense for any other team not run by loria but based on his history, he doesn’t care about the baseball team at all. he will be allowed to pull same crap again and again for some reason (must be some nasty selig artwork he’s got) and some fans (of other teams only) will keep on giving him benefit of doubt for the salary dumps he will keep on doing..
November 14th, 20129:31 am
Although if bobby cox does become a manager I will have to root for the jays …… Come On wren make something happen!!
November 14th, 20129:32 am
Selig does have authority to do something, it is courage he lacks.
November 14th, 20129:33 am
this POV would make at least some sense for any other team not run by loria but based on his history, he doesn’t care about the baseball team at all.
Yes, and he ran the Expos into the ground previously. Loria’s a cancer. He needs to be forced out.
Stanton is one player that might make most of the Braves’ fans happy.
A cheaper Upton/Willingham (for now), and a better Heyward
November 14th, 20129:34 am
Blue Jays payroll: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tlGuOwsSqqOBS4H6hAg-Q_Q&output=html
They’ll be over $100 million for the first time ever, I believe.
November 14th, 20129:35 am
Yeah, he’d definitely fit my idea of a “premium player” a “masher” while maintaining a strong outfield and balancing the line up. But getting Stanton would be too much of a good thing. It just wouldn’t happen. Just not in the Braves fortunes to get a player like that. Scroll through the rumor mills… Phillies eyeing Hamilton, Jays pull off a mega trade, Braves have interest in Cody Ross. Just a huge step down when it comes to the Braves this off-season. Of course, Stanton would change that.
November 14th, 20129:36 am
Selig has fairly broad authority, though likely not to the extent to which earlier commissioners exercised authority. Selig likely needs to loop in enough owners to move against Loria in a meaningful way.
If Selig’s a real leader, he’d be working the phones to build opposition to Loria.
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