9:32 pm November 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
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Someone tell me what the blog said please.
*did not read*
November 12th, 20129:56 pm
Basically talking about options to fill out the needs for the club.
November 12th, 201210:02 pm
Shoppach, Span or Fowler and Willingham on the wish list.
That would not be bad. Actually, pretty decent compared to some past off seasons.
Saltalamacchia is not that good — only redemming plus in his game is some power. Don;t need him.
I would not give up the ghost on Francsco either (If he could only raise the OBP to .310 to 320). Wren knows what he is talking about with the explosive raw power.
Can see him as a .240/.320/25/90 RBI guy. If not here somewhere else. Not disgraceful in the field either.
Can they do decent — we will see, not convinced.
November 12th, 201210:03 pm
Braveone — where is the top 25?
November 12th, 201210:06 pm
Thanks DOB..Glad you had a safe fly home.
least of the east
November 12th, 201210:08 pm
Braves also need a new manager, a new owner and maybe a new GM.
they prefer to lose assets via trade than sign free agents for nothing. that Teixeira trade was one of the worst deals in history (even though we got Mahay also)-ha ha.
the fact is they have lost their luster and are no longer seen as such a desirable destination. the playoffs is an annual challenge nowadays.
never have enough money and mismanage the payroll they have.
other than that, everything is just fine.
November 12th, 201210:10 pm
Hopeful, but still skeptical about the off-season. Last year JS promised a major league ready shortstop and a right-handed power hitting outfielder. I missed a few games, but, uh, don’t remember seeing them in the lineup. Bourn’s all but gone, and that’s the way it is, but hope we don’t end up with more recycled players when we might be only 2 players away from a longer run in the post season.
Hate to see you go Ross, he was a Damn Good Brave
Pagan belongs in SF.
For plenty of good reasons too long to type.
November 12th, 201210:11 pm
Thanks, again, DOB. May you have a safe and uneventful flight home. I would add I think the price tag for J-Up is a bit high in prospects considering he is playing in one the most hitter-friendly parks in baseball. For my money, I would try to pry Chase Headley away from San Diego away first if possible. I think he is just coming into his own and plays in a park that is one of the most pitcher-friendly parks and still produces really good numbers.
Thanks for the new blog and updates DOB!
November 12th, 201210:13 pm
“Hopeful, but still skeptical about the off-season”
You should be — imagine if Simmons and Janish had not bailed Wren out of a potential SS mess.
There are no kids or waiver pickups this time around to bail out less he gets lucky.
That is on ownership.
November 12th, 201210:14 pm
One thing i noticed about Bourn all season was that he didn’t run nearly as much as he could have. Now, does that mean he wasn’t given the “steal” sign or he had the freedom to go, but chose not to.
I would hate to think Fredi wouldn’t run him to keep his steals down…
but there were many games and many situations in the 2nd half of the season where i would have run Bourn and he did not.
We’ll most likely never know, but i wouldn’t be surprised.
November 12th, 201210:15 pm
Good info and insight, as usual DOB! Thanks!
November 12th, 201210:17 pm
Ok, so Freddie loses confidence in Francisco after going 5 for 40, but he keeps shoving Uggly out there for a few hundred at bats… I’m sure there is a punch line here somewhere.
November 12th, 201210:18 pm
I wouldn’t mind Russell Martin as the C til McCann returns. Then can either keep Russell as a back up C and pinch hitter or use him as trade bait.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
November 12th, 201210:19 pm
Well they blew up the chickenman in Philly last nite……
November 12th, 201210:21 pm
least of the east- agree on the Teixeira trade, but the worst trade of all time was by the Braves in 1983. The Braves sent a lead-off hitter for the next decade plus (Brett Butler) a starting 3rd baseman for 5-7 years (Brook Jacoby) and a player to be named to Cleveland for a Rotator cuff! (Len Barker, who i think pitched in like 5 games for the Braves in 1984 before retiring)
I STILL can’t believe that trade.
November 12th, 201210:23 pm
Hello everyone! Back for just a few! Thans for Info, and let’s hope Wren acts quickly on catchers, but I never heard of the catchers on this article, and it looks like the name form the list on Major League, when the Cleveland Fans said, “Who are these blankety blank Guys?” I hope Wren, does get us some one who can play LF, or Center? Just not getting my hopes up!
November 12th, 201210:25 pm
Wrens’ been searching for a LF fielder for years, so we will see. I’m trying to be positive, but we will see.
November 12th, 201210:27 pm
An excellent read….
Best of luck to Ross. He’s missed already.
November 12th, 201210:29 pm
Please don’t say the name Uggla….
I was beginning to forget about that black hole.
November 12th, 201210:31 pm
phil – I’m starting to see a black hole in all this trade talk, and Free Agency rumors. little humor
let’s see we lost what we consider our three best pitchers…Beachy hurt…jair hurt..who knows..hanson..who knows..all-star catcher has worse year..no. two reliever does not repeat success …hall-famer is good but only plays 3 of 5 or so..gosh I watched almost every game and I could go on..or I could remember we won over 90 games…dang the manager and the front office and the players suck..maybe just some fans just suck
November 12th, 201210:32 pm
you were in mine phil
November 12th, 201210:34 pm
All, have a good one! I’m going to enjoy the rest of the night! Don’t get your hopes up! I’m not getting mine! Peace my friends, and”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
JC Boscan III
November 12th, 201210:35 pm
I smell us overpaying for someone who will not produce as expected. If not, we’ll probably be underwhelmed…….. Our bench was weak enough without losing Ross, too……….
November 12th, 201210:41 pm
I have never written on an ajc thread but I had to share my thoughts on David Ross’s departure.. As a lifetime fan of the game of baseball, I cannot think of a player other than Martin Prado that eximplifies what a “ball player” is more than David Ross. If we had a roster full of those two we would
never lose again. Ever. Best of luck to you Rossy, you will be sorely missed in Brave country..
Nova Scotia Steve
Sorry. I just don’t think Hunter is worth $7 or $8 million per-season given his injury history and age.
Who knows how he will respond to the league switch and what will we sign him for a single season? I would much rather a long term solution/sign.
November 12th, 201210:42 pm
i saw a blogger say it and i can’t improve on it any better.
The Braves value McCann @12-13 million more than D. Ross at 3.1 million for 2 years. – unknown blogger.
This will come back to bite the Braves. Mark it down.
November 12th, 201210:43 pm
FRANK WREN is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, to let ROSS get away. He will relise it in April wnem the loses start adding up.
November 12th, 201210:44 pm
1. Span or Victorino CF
2. Prado 3B
3. Heyward RF
4. Hunter LF
5. Freeman 1B
6. Uggla 2B
7. Simmons SS
Until McCann gets back.
That’s what I would like
November 12th, 201210:47 pm
DOB..Wren and Braves have not talked at all about 3b are they just looking for LF’er and Prado automatic gets 3b. I’ve heard no rumors about Braves and 3b.
Any talk at all about Flower led off?
Sounds like the Braves have a lot of interest in Hunter. I’d much rather him than Cody Ross or Ryan Ludwick. Just hope it’s a two year deal max.
November 12th, 201210:49 pm
who are these people?
Frosted Lucky Charms
November 12th, 201210:50 pm
Awesome! Wren is going after a 37 year old player past his prime. Nothing like spending $ that the team finally has on a player approaching 40. Can’t wait. What an investment.
Hiawatha Terrell Wade
November 12th, 201210:51 pm
The bit at the end about Ross really bummed me out Dave.
November 12th, 201210:55 pm
I still have no confidence in Wren Can’t find his way past Dollar store, Hell he can’t even find Wal-Mart.
November 12th, 201210:56 pm
Hunter scares me a lot more than Cody Ross. I’m still holding out for David Wright and Chase Headley.
November 12th, 201210:57 pm
great blog yet again DOB.
DOB for GM!!
November 12th, 201210:59 pm
Best of luck to you Rossy, you will be sorely missed in Brave country..
Yeah, I’m gonna miss Dumbfounded, too.
November 12th, 201211:00 pm
DSI..That would put fans in the park…
November 12th, 201211:03 pm
Switching leagues isn’t as big anymore, but it would make sense for Hunter to sign with Detroit. That’d be a nice upgrade for them in a corner outfield spot. Dirks/Boesch/Garcia in LF.
November 12th, 201211:08 pm
Ross hit .232/.294/.390 outside of Fenway and .256/.308/.422 vs. RHP. And he’s looking for a three year deal. I think I’d rather have Hunter, despite his age. In fact, I might actually rather Ludwick too. Although I think Ross/Ludwick are if all else fails, imo.
November 12th, 201211:09 pm
If we may go after Torii Hunter why not go after Ichiro?
November 12th, 201211:10 pm
If the Braves thought that ross wouldn’t get a 2 year offer for that kind of money from somebody, then Wren was as out of touch as many on this blog are always writing. This was his last chance at a big (for him) payday and he earned it, if not from the Braves then from someone else. That contract should not have been a surprise to anyone. Had the Braves made a 2 year 5 million dollar offer the mihnute he hit free agency, he would probably have accepted, and it would have pre-empted the Red Sox offer and showed him that they valued his contribution and were serious about wanting him back. Like others have written here, 6 million for two years for a PRODUCTIVE back up catcher and team leader is not too much when one considers what they have paid for far less.
November 12th, 201211:11 pm
who are these people?…cricket
November 12th, 201211:14 pm
Hunter is not going to Atlanta. If he goes to the NL it will be to the Dodgers. I would not want to learn a new league at his age
I wonder what Julio Franco is doing these days? Call him up Frank I’m sure he’d play for cheap too.
November 12th, 201211:15 pm
I said it before but I’ll say it again…a BIG TRADE with Twins for Willingham and Span or Revere would solve two big spots. The Wren would have the money to get a relief pitcher and Catcher.
November 12th, 201211:17 pm
DS1 … gonna put Wright in LF and Headley at 3B? Where’s Prado going to play?
brian..is that really a problem? we do have interleague play. I thinks thats a excuse.
November 12th, 201211:19 pm
im not the biggest Wren fan but it’s not his fault the Braves are bargain shoppers blame ownership. There was this outfielder who nice ALDS, played for the Orioles, and is a free agent: Nate McClouth
Wright in LF ????
Braves need to get Span and then go from there. Depending on what prospect(s) it takes to get Span they can reassess and see if they can get someone like Upton or Headley.
If the cost is Teheran or Delgado, Ahmed, and Spruill – would you do it? What about if you could get Headley from San Diego for the same package? Who would you choose? What if Bethancourt has to be added to the package or Francisco (stop laughing – it was in the article)?
I would do the trade for Upton if we could keep Bethancourt.Same for Headley. I would probably take Upton knowing that Prado will give similar production at 3B.
November 12th, 201211:20 pm
Wright at 3B. Headley in LF. And Prado is going to be the backup CF, C, 2B, 1B, SS, RF and is going to sell hotdogs in the stands between innings.
(Guess I should have said “or”)
November 12th, 201211:21 pm
I would love to see a lineup of:
Back up catcher
November 12th, 201211:22 pm
On Span. He Turned Down A Trade To The Reds So Why Dose Everyone Think That He Would Come Here?
I’d choose Headley, but both would demand a lot of trade chips and there are at least a dozen or more teams with better groups of prospects to trade at this point. It ain’t a vacuum out there
Headley by far. The package you mentioned sounds right for Headley. To high for Span in my estimation.
November 12th, 201211:23 pm
cause we are so cool on the blog, Bama……
November 12th, 201211:24 pm
just wonder if Gilmartin will be traded or the Braves will plan on him taking Maholm’s place in a year. Also wonder if Maholm could be trade bait if the Braves feel that either Delgado or Teheran is ready (and they are not traded)
I’d give San Diego Teheran or Delgado (they’d probably ask for Minor too), Ahmed, Spruill, AND Bethancourt. I’d throw in a $100 Zaxby’s Gift Card and a 3 day 6 Flags Pass for the whole team!
Sounds light to me for Headley
November 12th, 201211:26 pm
It’s DAMNED light! They would ask for players that will hurt to give up.
November 12th, 201211:27 pm
$200 Gift Card?
November 12th, 201211:28 pm
Who’s kidding who. We’d have to give up Prado or Simmons to get either Headley or Wright.
November 12th, 201211:30 pm
we need to get span and justin upton. we also need to trade uggla and get either wright or headley to play third and move prado back over to 2nd. leaving us with a lineup of:
I agree Wayne
November 12th, 201211:32 pm
brain..thats not bad….I.’d be happy with any of those Headley are Upton…Wren knows who we can give up..I sure don’t.
Headley or Upton
good luck on even one of those Walker , perhaps Span, the rest are dreams
So you’re going to trade for Span, Upton AND Wright or Headley? Exactly HOW are you going to pull that one off???
November 12th, 201211:36 pm
I find it humorous that the media and the AJC writers continue to bring up the “inherent risk” of signing a guy like J. Upton. The Braves don’t flinch when it comes to paying exorbitant amounts of cash to guys like Dan Uggla, Derek Lowe, and Brian McCann, but when they get a chance to actually pick up the check for a legit MVP-caliber type player like Upton… “Oh no, we can’t do that, the risk is just too high.” Really? For a 25-year-old kid that clearly possess tremendous talent, and is capable of becoming of one of the best players in all of baseball? You’re not willing to take a shot at him, but would rather continue paying guys like Uggla and McCann? Management has some backward-ass logic.
November 12th, 201211:37 pm
Our luck will most likely be the Braves adding Span or Hunter. Then use internal options to fill the other spot Gattis in LF or Franscisco at 3rd and Prado in the leftover spot.
November 12th, 201211:38 pm
Bama Braves, Cots Contract don’t say Span has a not trade contract therefore he can’t stop the deal.
“So you’re going to trade for Span, Upton AND Wright or Headley? Exactly HOW are you going to pull that one off???”
Pretty sure the plan begins with kidnapping…
November 12th, 201211:39 pm
November 12th, 201211:41 pm
I have been a defender of Wren up until now, but the attempted trade of Delgado for a 3 month rental of Dempster and losing Ross by not going 2 years at 3 million/year given the questions already surrounding the catcher’s position are moving me over to the other side of the argument. Adding some combination of Span, Willingham, Hunter, Cody Ross, or BJ Upton while removing Chipper, Bourn, and D. Ross does not make this team a pennant contender in my eyes next year or strengthen it for the longer run. And if people think there is a surplus of pitching we can just deal away with no consequences, wait until one of the starters goes down or underperforms next year and there is no Delgado in the system to fill that need. The history of TJ surgeries suggests that Beachy won’t be back to form until 2014 — he will be back next August, but not his old self until the second year. Hanson is the most likely to underperform or go down so that leaves Medlen, Minor, Hudson, Maholm, and ? — A decent pitching staff, but not the Giants, Reds, Nats, and Phillies. Even the Mets staff of Dickey, Niese, Harvey, Santana, and Gee or Wheeler is just as strong.
November 12th, 201211:46 pm
@jim: Teheran, Gilmartin, Avilan, Graham, Martin, and Wood.
November 12th, 201211:47 pm
We have plenty of pitching.
There was this outfielder who nice ALDS, played for the Orioles, and is a free agent: Nate McClouth
There is no such person…
Jim—I agree on all points except Wren Have had him pegged for a couple of years but the attempted trade of Delgado for Dempster finished the deal.
not trade contract? He’d have to be a 10 and 5 guy. Ten years in the league and five with the same team
November 12th, 201211:50 pm
The fifth estate (sports division)assumed that B McCann would be resigned and consistently wrote it that way – as if to say it was a “no brainer”. I wasn’t completely alone on this blog as being decidedly against exercising this option – but I clearly was in the distinct minority. However, that decision having been wrongfully made,in my opinion, absolutely dictated, the decision not to compete against Boston. The better move would’ve been to let McCann go to the highest bidder (maybe Boston would take a flier on him), resign Ross and have both a plan A (our minor league phenom) and a plan B – a reasonably priced, seasoned, clubhouse friendly guy. Catchers: $2-5M, future uncertain, options: priceless!)
McCann is an expensive gamble and under the best of circumstances will not be back in decent baseball (or other)shape before mid-to-late May. $12M gets you this far, and now our first 60 days behind the plate reek of both uncertainty and instability. In the end, it wasn’t letting Rossy go, but the signing of BMac which will impact this team. (Subtext: who ever heard of seeking a backup catcher as being one of the pieces you need to find in the off-season. It’s absurd that we have to replace a back-up catcher because we committed to our $12 million dollar, defensively challenged, not too healthy, catcher – and one with back-to-back ‘poors’ in his rearview. We got some catch-up to do, boys, hitch them ponies and let’s ride! (Sorry Amber!)
Hey VJim, did i mention he plays CF and bats leadoff?
i try and not get down on life when i get thrown all these lemons, but now i get thrown some strawberries in amongst the lemons, and it has stung me the wrong way today. we went to the beach a couple months back and onb the way home stopped at the scotchman and got some gas. they had a sign up said to text to win the harly sporster, so i show renee the sign and say you know , you could probably win that.
well we get the call today and she won it. a nice red and black 883 sporster. now how am i gonnna ride this while on oxygen 24/7. he sure has a cruel sense of humour at me for some reason now
scroll down and check out her bike
November 12th, 201211:53 pm
@Bravesfan54: Completely agree regarding McCann.
If Olt turns into a monster RH masher in the next year or two, we’re all going to look back and say “we coulda had that guy!”
Can we push Janish as the second coming of Simmons? Hey Texas, we’ve got a guy who is EVEN BETTER than Simmons!
how could Span have turned down a trade? He is not a 10/5 player
November 12th, 201211:56 pm
Oh – you mean Nate McLouth…
“No one had anticipated a month ago that the soon-to-be 36-year-old catcher would double his salary and get a two-year deal.”
I have two words for the braves organization: suck it.
November 12th, 201211:57 pm
same with Boutjos Wayne…TOBF will be rubbin’ it in big time
if the Braves could get Span and Upton or Headley it will be a rock star offseason from Wren. Those players should be in the realm of reality and they do not break the bank.
The Braves then can focus on locking up Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, Minor, Medlen, and Beachy over the coming years along with likely simmons
they have two words back….
November 12th, 201211:58 pm
Good to see that DOB writes a column ridiculing people who don’t understand baseball, and they show up to prove the point…
brian the dreamer, always believing in miracles
DS1 – why would we say that we could have had Olt? It has been well reported that Texas told many teams that Olt is unavailable.
did ya take a look at my bike nolie
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