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Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
Eddie Perez ; Coach & Playa!
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa – Coach
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa Coach
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa – Coach
Biff Pocoroba
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
If Eddie Perez can come out of retirement, so can I !
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa – Coach
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa – Coach
Ozzie Virgil
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Eddie Perez: Playa Coach
jack
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Braves Pitching is only really solid part of the Team ; with Beachy back as good as any NL Staff-they need need top defensive Catcher to go with their better than average fieldingto win consistently-Braves not going to score a lot
Peter
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Wow the New Look Braves…..with Jordan Schafer…….
Imagine how DUMB WREN has been thinking he will sign a guy represented by Scott Boras ……… as in Tex or Bourn ? Sure !!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA……..
DUMB ….. DUMB….. DUMB !!!!!!!!
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
I’ve stook by most of Wren’s moves, I think he’s a smart baseball guy and doing a pretty good job of putting together winning teams under a tight budget. But I really don’t understand not keeping Ross. I believe Ross would’ve taken less to stay in Atlanta, but I guess Wren wasn’t wanting to give him 2 years…? He’s earned it. Not to mention with the uncertainty of Mac’s health, we really need him at this point.
Hopefully they give Bethancourt his early cup of coffee even though he hasn’t shown much with the bat. Nothing to lose except maybe for the fact his arb clock starts.
But WREN, TRADE FOR JUSTIN UPTON!!
1. Span
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Upton
5. Freeman
6. Suckla
7. Bethancourt/Mac
8. Simmons
Medlen
Huddy
Minor
Delgado
Maholm
Amber Girl
November 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Has “pretty” boy got us a catcher yet. Answer” no. He is to busy with his hair. JERK
bill
November 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
think about the braves and not being able to win but 1 world series with superbum bobby (sucks) cox as manager and he acts as adviser to weak manager and general manager. all that talent wasted because of cox maybe not allow cox in park would be a start to a world series championship
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
Really not sure why people are calling Wren a “pretty boy”….
I mean if he were young and suave like Theo or someone I would get it…but dude’s like 60…
Fred G. Sanford
November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
“I’ve stood by most of Wren’s moves, I think he’s a smart baseball guy and doing a pretty good job of putting together winning teams under a tight budget.” Darkcow
How many division titles have the Braves’ won since 2008 when Wren became GM ? ZERO
Wren would have been fired anywehere else. He traded Mark Teixeira for Casey Kotchman. He traded Rafael Soriano for Jesse Chavez. He traded Omar Infante for Dan Uggla. He acquired and sank the payroll with such non-producers as Derek Lowe, Kinchen Kawakami & Nate McLouth.
Do you really believe your own statement, Darkcow?
Teams with smaller payrolls than the Braves have reached the World Series in recent years.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
Working on new blog. Will post it from airport in a couple of hours (got to head over there now) or, at worst, from the air assuming they have wi-fi on flight.
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
He also traded Renteria for JJ, Schafer for Bourn, and while I really, really don’t like Uggla, the trade was a good one at the time. The signing, however, was not. As for Kawakami, I can’t blame him for that. He was trying to be aggressive and acquire one of the top Japanese pitchers at the time and it blew up in his face. I like the fact he took a chance on him.
The Tex deal wasn’t him, btw. That was Schuerholz.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
For what it’s worth, Salcedo and Ahmed sure LOOK like a couple of ballplayers on left side of infield. Both athletic, rangy guys, move well, good skills, good arms.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Do those wondering if Salty could return realize how bad he is against lefties?
.203 w/ .591 OPS career vs. LHPs in 509 plate appearances.
Not the ideal backup to McCann.
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
DOB,
I know the DBacks are looking for a SS or 3B in a deal for Upton, but do you see the Braves as players for him for maybe a Teheran or Delgado in a prospect package deal?
AGTFan
November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
I agree that this is a big loss for the Braves. I can understand why so many people think the Braves should have ponied up the extra money. It’s always easier to spend someone else’s money.
FLAgirl
November 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
That makes me sad, love him!
Amber Girl
November 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
@Darkcrow Wren is pretty boy bcause at the time Ross was signing with Red Sox, he was entering a GM contest for prettiest hair. If he hadn’t entered contest we might still have catcher. If he will do his job , I will give him hairspray for his”pretty ” hair. JERK do your JOB.
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
4:33 pm
@Amber Girl
Riiiight…funny.
?
Fred G. Sanford
November 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
Darkcow,
Schuerholz gave away the farm to acquire Teixeira.
It was Wren that traded away Teixeira to acquire Kotchman.
You’d think Wren could have gotten a top pitching prospect for Teixeira instead of a guy who was gone a few months later.
Pathetic !
BravesFanSince80s
November 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
I will say it again, WHEN not IF the move to pick up McCann and let Ross walks backfires, Wren will FINALLY lose his job…
BravesFanSince80s
November 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
I remember it as Tex finished out the year and then went into FA and signed with New York for the most money offered. Am I wrong on that?
Fred G. Sanford
November 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
Tex was traded to the Red Sox for Casey Kotchman; played out the season as a FA & signed with the Yankees. GOOGLE IT !
Braves' Fan
November 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
Brian McCann will be rewarded with a big contract extension so he can retire as an Atlanta Brave, just like Chipper !
Amber Girl
November 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
@Darkcrow It’s true. Ask Mlb Network.
Darkcow
November 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
Fred G.
When you bring up the Tex deal it obviously sounds like you’re thinking of the mega-disaster deal, which is what I think you were actually talking about. Nobody is really concerned with what we got in return in that deal. It was his final contract year, you weren’t going to get a whole lot in return.
And you got things way turned around anyway. It was the Angels we traded him to not the Sox.
BravesFanSince80s
November 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
ok, just googled it, I stand partially corrected, he was traded from Atlanta to Anaheim for Kotchman
cornjolio
November 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
“Nobody is really concerned with what we got in return in that deal.”
Evidently, you & Frank weren’t too concerned either. A low level prospect should have been had for a player of Teixeira’s caliber; not a very average firstbaseman like Kotchman who was shortlived in Atlanta.
So much for value in return !
BravesFanSince80s
November 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
I really just don’t get the budget complaints, I mean, we have something between 25 and 30 million to work with this offseason (depending on which source your read per Wren’s typically guarded payroll talks-really silly by the way) so why was an extra million and a half such a big deal to payroll? I understand that Wren is going to try to maximize that available money to get the best he can, but lets face it, the FA crop is pretty thin on the upper end. And GM’s have already made it pretty clear that marquee players are gonna bring a TON of return or they ain’t moving anywhere, so just how crucial was the exact amount of that available money going to be when all said and done? Maybe I’m wrong, certainly have been before, I’m one of the few on here who can admit that. I was wrong about Uggla’s power last year. I thought last years numbers would be about what this years numbers were. I was wrong. He still sucks, but I was wrong. I just can’t see picking up McCann and letting Ross work playing out well. I really can’t…
BravesFanSince80s
November 12th, 2012
5:01 pm
letting Ross walk*
cornjolio
November 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
“Wren is going to try to maximize that available money to get the best he can”
If that were true, he would not have brought McCann back for $13 million, a catcher coming off major arm surgery who might not be ready until May, if at all. It was a PR move to appease the homers; certainly not a move that will get the Braves into the post-season.
He should be fielding offers for Uggla and be willing to eat part of the contract, to free up additional money.
Frank Wren
November 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
A healthy Brian McCann in 2013 is the equivalent of acquiring an All Star catcher.
Having said that don’t expect me to acquire any big names this off season. We’ll fill the voids from within the organization. Eddie Perez has offered to come out of retirement to backup Brian McCann when needed. Jordan Schafer is working with our hitting instructors and will be assuming his role as starting centerfielder. Juan Francisco has been certified by Jenny Craig and will take over for Chipper on third.
Looks like we are set for spring training !
jbill
November 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
Braves Nation..glad you smarter than a fifty grader. DOB have a safe trip home.
74bravesjersey
November 12th, 2012
6:05 pm
@Frank Wren; Is it true that you’ve been in talks w/ Melky, heard he wants to let Juan be his protege’ & learn how to lose weight like he did. So Melky wants to come back? Did he say he’d put francisco throught the same trainin’ regiment like he did? Hey Folks, Melky Cabrera back to the Braves as Juan Francisco’s new trainer & teammate. Tell ‘em Frank.
74bravesjersey
November 12th, 2012
6:40 pm
O’l Melky asked Frank what are the chances if he could make Juan hit like hit like him, look like him, to become him, Dang! that’s scary, Look out folks, hope Franks dream’n, that’s scary stuff, not funny frank, don’t be hook’n those two together.
Amber Girl
November 12th, 2012
6:44 pm
@jbill Are you referring to me? If you are not 5th grade.
74bravesjersey
November 12th, 2012
6:47 pm
Hey DOB, if Ahmed gets hot, has solid ST, hits in every level to ‘AA’, could he also learn to play 2B, or 3B, course if salcedo can right himself offensively, Dang! love to see those kids catch Fire! I know they are still quite young. Another year or two away I suppose?
74bravesjersey
November 12th, 2012
6:50 pm
Hey Jbill, whats goin on man, WHHHAAAAATS UUUUUUUP? or WHAAAA’d UUUUUP dude?
Melky Cabrera
November 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
I got some stuff for Francisco, and Schafer too !
JT
November 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
Shyte like this is why I will no longer follow the Braves, until they get new ownership. Cheap Ass Team is right.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE filed from somewhere over Oklahoma, I think….
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/11/12/ross-exit-added-another-line-on-braves-to-do-list/
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
rowdy
November 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
the braves dont pay good, they are gong to loose more.the braves wont pay,so they wont get any better
freebird13
November 13th, 2012
12:59 am
Wrenn should have gave him 2yrs.,6 million at 1st offer.So long David Ross ,we all know you would
have started on all other teams in the league.You will be misse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ross exit adds to Braves’ expanding to-do list | Atlanta Braves
November 13th, 2012
7:13 am
[...] add backup catcher to that list, too, now that Ross has gone, taking a two-year, $6.2 million offer from Boston that was too good to pass up. This despite the fact he loved playing in Atlanta, and after the season ended he and Braves had [...]
Braves' Nation
November 13th, 2012
8:34 am
Can you say C-H-E-A-P !
Turner Field will be like the 1970s when you can have just about any seat in the house.
Perhaps the Braves should bring back those old softbal uniforms and have ostrich races and money grabs to attract fans.
Frank Wren
November 13th, 2012
9:12 am
Ostrich races?
Money grabs ?
I’ve got to give the fans a reason to come out to Turner Field. They won’t be paying hard-earned money to watch Dan Uggla hit .220
Brilliant !
John A.
November 13th, 2012
10:47 am
As stated many times before….WREN is not the BRIGHTEST CRAYON in the box. He continually proves year in and year out he is not the man for the job of GM. Just check his record!!!!!! John S. you messed up bringing this guy in from Baltimore…..he makes you LOOK BAD!!!! John you had a great track record here in Atlanta, but your decision making the last several years makes one wonder if your days at the top are nearing the end?
cornjolio
November 13th, 2012
11:22 am
whatever back-up catcher they bring in I guarantee will be old and unable to hit .200; I say promote Bethancourt and let him get experience on the major league level. It can’t be any worse.
Heat check: UGA’s hot, Tech’s warm and the Falcons are 8-1 | Mark Bradley
November 13th, 2012
11:52 am
[...] Lost backup catcher David Ross to the Boston Red Sox, who can, as we know, outspend anyone save the Yankees. Barometric reading: [...]
Roger
November 13th, 2012
12:52 pm
Just another step to another loosing season. Best backup catcher in baseball and we just wave a casual goodbye to him? This is crazy….
Believe in Wren
November 13th, 2012
1:41 pm
Roger – ‘a casual goodbye’? The Red Sox are willing to pay him 3+ MILLION bucks a year to be a backup catcher. Yes, he is one of the best backup catchers, but the Braves will be able to bring someone in to fill in until Mac gets back. For everyone who is bashing Wren and McCann, IT IS NOVEMBER! Fans need to have some patience and let things work out, see what the roster looks like at the beginning of the season. How are you going to feel if the outfield is Josh Willingham, Jason Heyward and Justin Upton, with the infield of Freeman, Uggla, Simmons and Prado, a rotation of Medlen, Minor, Hudson, Maholm and Hanson/young arm and a catcher to fill in until Mac gets back? Sounds pretty potent to me. Give Wren some time to make the deals he needs to, and if you want to be angry, be angry at Liberty Media for not putting up enough cash for what the fans want. Or wait, be angry at the fans who sit at home while the Braves take the field with a half-full Turner Field. There’s where the real angst should be directed. Atlanta has a lot of good fans, but I think even more fans who are terrible with their loyalty and just want to sit and complain from behind a computer screen. Direct the anger at them, if Turner Field could sell out every game, then maybe Liberty Media would up thesalary range. Or maybe someone like Ted Turner would want to re-acquire the team. Wren will field a very competitive Bravos team for 2013.
cornjolio
November 13th, 2012
1:51 pm
“but the Braves will be able to bring someone in to fill in until Mac gets back.”
A castoff from another team, unlikely one that will hit above the Mendoza (or is it Uggla) line; to fill sdpot McCann? McCann is coming off major arm surgery & won’t be back until May, if at all.
Chipper is gone; Bourn is gone; Ross is gone. So far we’ve picked up Schafer who couldn’t make the Astros lineup.
The upcoming Winter meetings had better be good, for Wren’s sake.
Sounds like another patchwork job in the works
cornjolio
November 13th, 2012
1:51 pm
“but the Braves will be able to bring someone in to fill in until Mac gets back.”
A castoff from another team, unlikely one that will hit above the Mendoza (or is it Uggla) line; to fill sdpot McCann? McCann is coming off major arm surgery & won’t be back until May, if at all.
Chipper is gone; Bourn is gone; Ross is gone. So far we’ve picked up Schafer who couldn’t make the Astros lineup.
The upcoming Winter meetings had better be good, for Wren’s sake.
Sounds like another patchwork job in the works
cornjolio
November 13th, 2012
1:51 pm
“but the Braves will be able to bring someone in to fill in until Mac gets back.”
A castoff from another team, unlikely one that will hit above the Mendoza (or is it Uggla) line; to fill sdpot McCann? McCann is coming off major arm surgery & won’t be back until May, if at all.
Chipper is gone; Bourn is gone; Ross is gone. So far we’ve picked up Schafer who couldn’t make the Astros lineup.
The upcoming Winter meetings had better be good, for Wren’s sake.
Sounds like another patchwork job in the works
Believe in Wren
November 13th, 2012
2:03 pm
hmmmm, “patchwork job in the works” got the Braves the Wild Card game, where the Braves’ errors cost them the game. Peeps are so quick to condemn teams when they don’t go acquire the bright shiny players, or don’t give up on the loyal players who have played though pain and injury. I’d take a healthy McCann over ANY catcher in the game. And with the way medical staffs work nowadays, my money is on McCann coming back healthy. I just wonder if all the people on here bashing Wren will still be singing the same tune when the Braves make it back to the post-season.
and cornjolio – Bourn is overrated and not worth the 15-18M Boras will get him for 5 years.
cornjolio
November 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
The Wild Card is meaningless and rewards mediocrity; the Braves couldn’t win it with their best pitcher on the mound..
As for Bourn did I say he was worth 15-18 million?
Liberty Media
November 13th, 2012
2:32 pm
Frank Wren,
Great public relations move on bringing back McCann another season; that should sell a few tickets. Just don’t give him a contract extension. If he’s hitting well in July and we are nowhere in contention, go ahead and trade him for a prospect or two. He’d do well in the AL being a DH. He certainly didn’t make those All Star teams because of his catching abilities.
You’ve got some money to play with this off season with Chipper & Lowe off the books; try not to overspend like you did with Lowe and Kawakami. And for God’s sake take offers on Uggla !
Believe in Wren
November 13th, 2012
2:46 pm
cornjolio – 94 wins was mediocrity? and no, but the way I read your post it read (in my mind) that you were sad to see Bourn go. My fault there…
And the Braves lost because they had one bad day. 3 errors. Pitching wasn’t the problem. defense was, something that the team was VERY good at all year, until the one day it was critical. NOT Wren’s fault there.
The Scout
November 13th, 2012
2:57 pm
I remember a time when in baseball the team that won the most games was rewarded; now days, the second rate team gets a shot at the big dance. That is rewarding mediocrity and the Braves did not deserve a post-season appearance.
Believe in Wren
November 13th, 2012
3:04 pm
The Scout – so you want a NL and AL, and the best record goes to the Series? No playoffs whatsoever?
The Scout
November 13th, 2012
3:37 pm
Yes
Eagle86
November 17th, 2012
8:26 am
Where are you Ted Turner? The Braves need another owner willing to open up the check book. Until then the Braves will continue to chase the wild card and missing the NLCS and the WS.
Braves Fan Since 1966
November 22nd, 2012
12:53 am
The Braves are just a farm team for other teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Nats, and others. Not signing Ross proves they have igmoramus goof balls running the team. Braves are toast in the 2013 season, but they may have a slightly better record than Miami.
Nick Anderson
May 2nd, 2013
9:26 pm
The Braves payroll is way out of whack. Most of them make around $500,000, then you have a few making 7 million and up to 12 million. What a fiasco. Level up the salaries, and attract and keep great players. I can’t imagine this type of management. It stinks and players like Ross leave. We can never be a winning team with this management.