11:30 am November 10, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 11th, 20121:12 am
wow we have a manager that had to re – work a staring ptiching staff on the fly during the season..has the sack to sit slumping players made a hall of famer go on rehab assignments when he didnt want to and was better for it oh yeah and we won 94 games..you people are F*&Ktards
November 11th, 20121:13 am
I enjoy reading most of the comments here and find it amusing how quickly fans turn on our manager and GM. The Braves are in the top five in winning percentage over the past 10 years, and the teams ahead of us have significantly higher payrolls. While we’ll all miss David Ross (I was at the St. Louis game like many of you…what a thrill he provided!!!), it doesn’t make economic sense given the team’s other needs and payroll limitations to offer the money the Red Sox can throw at players. Hope Ross helps the Red Sox rebuild after their debacle last year. I trust Wren will make some moves that will help the Braves put themselves in a position to make the playoffs again while teams with much higher payrolls watch from home. Free agency just began…give him some time to fill needs in the OF, 3B, C department. Go Braves!
November 11th, 20121:18 am
Go Braves indeed! Wren will do just fine! If Boston stole Ross, maybe the Braves will yet steal Pagan. The Braves are a good team. They will become a better team this winter.
November 11th, 20121:23 am
Is Chad Durbin going to return to the bullpen?
November 11th, 20121:35 am
Ross the best thing that could have happen for you because the brave are cheap and don’t know good players when they see one j Hayward you better be ready cause your time is coming. Why you want to keep McCain instead of Ross I can’t understand that move he was the better catcher of all
November 11th, 20121:42 am
Who is McCain? Are you talking about me? FYI: I’ve never played for the Braves.
November 11th, 20124:41 am
Alot of pissed of Braves fans here.
Bruce Bend A Dick
November 11th, 20125:09 am
I am available to catch
November 11th, 20126:48 am
if gattis happens to make the opening day roster as catcher, i see a trivia question coming.
who was the last braves catcher with hair?
Lil' Barry Bailout
November 11th, 20126:59 am
No McCann and no Ross to start the season? The Braves can get one of those nets that rebounds the ball to the pitcher–I loved mine when I was a kid. Plus, the net would play defense every bit as good as McCann.
November 11th, 20127:14 am
Get Henry Blanco. He was released by Arizona last year. He’s 41-yrs old but, he can fill the spot.
November 11th, 20127:32 am
Frank Wren is the responsible party for this happening. McCann should have been released and Ross signed with a 5 year 15 to 20 million contract securing a top catcher. Pitchers would not mind being in Atlanta for these years but with McCann, a pitcher gives up alot at the catcher position.
FRANK WREN SHOULD BE EMBARRASED —
HIRE JOHN SMOLTZ AS GM OR MANAGER — THIS CRAP WOULD NOT HAPPEN
November 11th, 20127:34 am
Boy, I really hate this, but if McCann is worth 12 mil, Ross is worth 9. This is the part about pro sports that stinks. We’re losing Bourne, and now, with Chipper gone also, wow! I don’t know if the Braves had the opportunity to match, but if they could, this this is one time they should have.
November 11th, 20127:46 am
Please! Please! save face for the bench, re-sign Reed Johnson, tough umbre’, gotta have em’ back, I know theres other teams ready to scoop ‘em up, Frank, keep you’re eyes peeled & move fast.
November 11th, 20127:47 am
Major loss for the Braves – on the field, in the locker room and for the fan base. This is another example of the Braves inability to compete in the financial marketplace. We can’t even afford a good BACKUP catcher. Look at that pathetic list of FA catchers. Yorvit Torrealba or Rod Barajas will be with us next year. They suck.
Frank Wren loser
November 11th, 20127:48 am
First all the AJC writers will kiss wren butt..never ask tough questions why Mccann be back catch a ball get asplinter from catchin a Ball out year..chipper we never Miss we sure not Miss him blowin the wild card game again ..like in 2000 remember that error too…from 94-68 to 77-85 great work Frank Wren Not…..by august be out of it anyway…and freddi will pick his nose!
November 11th, 20127:55 am
@Rainman34; Yeah; I’ve been pull’n for Gattis as well, good Digs DOB, on Gattis, hope he(White Bear) can finish the fall league strong. Hey DOB, keep us fired up, buddy, Rev up the rumor motor on the stove, what’s you’re feel in what Frank has up his sleeve? Is he gonna move fast(I’m sure he’s billy-ing bean-ing up the phones right now, mabey doi’n some moneyballing w/ billy right now inquiring about their big cuban thump’n 3b-man Cesepede(correct me if not spelled right) or their thump’n right fielder.
November 11th, 20127:57 am
Frank Wren blew that one. By Frank saving that little bit of money, the Braves will be much weaker next year. We lost our best catcher because of 3 million per year.
What a stupid move. Now we can have either an unhealthy McCann starting or a number 8 hitting catcher fresh off of the scrap pile.
Ross was 36 but his body is much younger than Brian McCann’s body. Maybe McCann will stay away from the Mcfries this offseason.
Bad move Frank Mid Market Wren.
November 11th, 20127:59 am
Hey one of my new fave for a name, Juan Yepez, hopefully can get a shot for backup in da’ spring.
November 11th, 20128:00 am
DOB,Ralph, or richbrave, what’s the new digs on yepez in winterball?
November 11th, 20128:03 am
Dang! Dang! Dang!, I stand corrected, it’s Jose yepez, not Juan, sheesh! my bad.
November 11th, 20128:05 am
Ross is betterthan Mccann.. They Braves should have moved McCann instead.
November 11th, 20128:10 am
Ok! just looked up his stats, journyman in the minors, hitt’n career wise .270, not bad at all, looks like a hard work’n hindcatcher, that has a good feel for the strikezone, to consider of always using journymen backups, his stats show a little better than boscan hitt’n wise, but don’t know how he is defensive skill-wise.
November 11th, 20128:12 am
Jose Ricardo Yepez! Give em’ a good look see.
November 11th, 20128:15 am
Let’s sign Matt Treanor. At least we’ll have Misty May’s butt to look at during the games. That’s the only reason I watched the olympics. It’s amazing.
November 11th, 20128:17 am
@Screwball; Did the Braves have a Torrealba that came up briefly toward the end of a season, filled in, hit the ball admirably, then signed on somewhere else, is this the catcher?
November 11th, 20128:21 am
Oh yeah, gett’n take’n back to some names from the past, how ’bout Fernando Lunar, he at one time was projected to develope into a fine speciman of a major league catcher, but his hitt’n wouldn’t come around.
November 11th, 20128:33 am
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November 11th, 20128:34 am
My only response to this is an expletive. Gave $13 million to useless McCann. Can’t offer a decent contract to our best catcher.
The Duke of Flatbush
November 11th, 20128:38 am
This ownership group is not committed to winning, period. Ross was a fine backup AND a quality, character guy. You never have enough character. Good luck in BEantown.
November 11th, 20128:50 am
As long as liberty or any corporation owns a team, we fans will always be stuck with low payroll and subpar baseball teams. Liberty does not care. I hope they sell the braves soon
November 11th, 20128:51 am
Oh, the Del Crandal of Life, what to be of a Bob Tillman, the Bob Ueckers traded for to catch a young but thriving Knucksie, & the only ROY catcher Earl Williams, who had a few Thump’n years w/ the bat, then o’l reliable Paul Casanova who was our Manny Sanguillen(?), & I almost forgot, the formidable PH hero of ‘92 NLDS, The undisputed Francisco (Frankie) Cabrera, who caught briefly no defense, good pinchitter, well for that moment.
November 11th, 20128:59 am
Why we no make mi hijo patriotico Martin Prado the catcher. He best at every position anyway! Maybe it cheaper to clone him let him play all nine positions.
Fly on the Wall
November 11th, 20129:00 am
Bummer…but best of luck to David and thanks for all the great memories while here…you will be missed.
November 11th, 20129:05 am
Hey Ross, you left you’re mark on us here, ’cause, we Braves fans Laud the play you’ve given us, & we’re try’n to move past the grief, you’ll be there w/ another once of a Brave up n’ com’in whose performed well in his brief career(I’ve felled to mention in my commentary of past Braves catchers, O’l Big Salty) Dang! I miss him too, I was fired up when they called him up briefly. Kelly Flowers is another name that came to mind. Oh Dang! Kelly Mann,briefly, any one who can tell me of the young catcher whom they traded to Montreal in the Marquis Grissom deal?
November 11th, 20129:06 am
Heck Yeah Hugo, I’d go along w/ that.
November 11th, 20129:08 am
Marteeeen if had to would lace up the gear, that’s heart.
November 11th, 20129:12 am
It was Steve Torrealba(Jr.) son of an old rh pitcher for the Braves who pitched briefly ‘75,’76,whos name I couldn’t recall.
November 11th, 20129:19 am
Dang! forgot another of Braves legendary catch’n folklore. How could I forget o’l Johnny Oates. The dude, a few years in the mid 70’s I guess didn’t hit alot but was adequate, also had to tangle w/ the knuckleball. Heard the Mutts might be willing to part w/ or as trade w/ their ace, R.A. “Knucksie”Dickey, but if I were to take a chance on ‘em, they might need to send his personal catcher w/ him.
November 11th, 20129:20 am
November 11th, 20129:23 am
P.S. Real quick;Boston now has the Dynamic Duo of Ex-Braves, Salty/Rossy nice combo, oh what could’ve been Huh?
November 11th, 20129:37 am
No big deal. I, as well as many of you, have been through this stuff for decades. Somebody will step up and do a decent job. The McCann deal will be interesting to watch play out. I assume they didn’t take the decision lightly or, perhaps, it was the easiest way out of making a tough decision.
November 11th, 20129:46 am
@Jack Clompus Has Wren done anything?
November 11th, 20129:47 am
someone get clint sammons on the batphone! bring back sammy!!!
November 11th, 20129:52 am
Jimmy Kremmers, Larry Owen, Matt Sinatro, Clint Sammons, some names I’ve missed.
November 11th, 20129:57 am
@74bravesjersey Hello old buddy. Has Jerk Wren quit playing with his pretty hair and got us a catcer yet?
November 11th, 201210:05 am
This is not the year to be depending on free agency.
It’s not a good year for quality players or depth.
Another reason to not let one of your own players leave via free agency.
Especially if you have injured players at a position.
Some years are advantageous to the players.
November 11th, 201210:08 am
And 3 million a year is not a bad insurance policy for a proven catcher when your 13 million dollar-broken down starter is hurt… and may not return to form.
November 11th, 201210:11 am
74bravesjersey………. It’s Tyler Flowers. He’s with the Chi Sox. Probably could be had in a trade but if I recall he was not known for great defense. Back up catcher needs to play good fundamental D.
You just don't get it...
November 11th, 201210:12 am
Folks…Wren is working on the budget – he’s doing what we can to get an extension on Uggla’s contract. He wants to build a team of .230 – .240 hitters with low OBP and less speed on the bases. This will help Fredidiot maintain his softball style, station-to-station baseball in the hopes someone hits a 3 run homer. The reality is – we strikeout and ground into more DPs in clutch sports than any team in baseball. Look up 2-out hitting for 2012 and for any reasonable span. Braves just don’t get it done and it starts with the composition of the team
Once blogger nailed it – look at he SF Giants. They are a rag-tag bunch of misfits and outcasts offensively, but they have a brilliant tactician in Bruce Bochy, who knows how to squeeze the most out of his talent.
That is why we jettison the slap/gap hitters like Gregor Blanco, and that’s why he has a WS ring and all we have is a long “hot stove” winter…Ugggh..
So – expect to see Willingham signed to play LF, and probably BJ Upton (another overswinging .240 hitter with a low OBP hitting leadoff)…Wren needs to buid on speed/defense – he’s got the pitching.
November 11th, 201210:17 am
For Ross to not be resigned is an absolute travesty – bordering on sheer incompetence. McCann has been under-performing and hurt for the last 2 seasons, yet we pick up his option. $3.1mm a season is waaay too much for the Braves to commit to – especially for a 2nd year.
I’m a Gattis fan – but I don’t think he’s a back up catcher, but more of a FT leftfielder. Bethancourt is not ready and JC Boscan has moved on.
Maybe Biff Pocoroba or Bruce Benedict are available for the MLB minimum salary.
hit a single
November 11th, 201210:30 am
The catching position will be fine. Wish Ross well. Just a reminder that this is a business. If you feel McCann is your starter you can’t pay a backup what the Red Sox paid him. Kind of like the SS position this year, there are alot of good players out there. I wish him luck and we were very fortunate to have him as long as we did.
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November 11th, 201210:32 am
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November 11th, 201210:37 am
Who plays more innings a week?
David Ross or any of the top tier bullpen pitchers?
So, when I hear comments saying “you can’t pay $3 million a year for a backup catcher,” it makes me cringe! People! Once again, your backup catcher is really a part time starter!
In terms of impact on the team, especially with McCann’s health issues, a quality backup catcher is as critical for the Braves as quality bullpen pitchers! And yes, you certainly do pay quality bullpen pitchers $3 million plus a year!
And if you don’t, or won’t, then you won’t win!
November 11th, 201210:38 am
Here’s an idea I’d like your thoughts on (and would love to see MLB try in exhibition games).
Games are twenty-seven outs long, but what if the teams had to use at least two outs in an inning, but the manager had the option of using up to five outs in an inning? In other words, if a team makes two quick outs, they may decide not to use that third out and take the field. But if they’ve got runners on base with two outs, they may decide to extend the inning by using a fourth or fifth out, which could potentially make for more exciting at-bats. (Does the manager let the 8=9 batters hit with the bases loaded and three outs?)
Also, if the visiting team is behind and coming up to bat with five outs or less, then they must use all five outs in that last inning.
A pitcher would be the ‘winner’ if they were ahead when they recorded the fifteenth out, instead of the fifth inning. That fifteenth out could conceivably happen in the third inning.
I think it would make for potentially quicker games, but more exciting games. It would also put more pressure on the manager (do you hurt your clean-up hitter’s feelings by not letting him hit with four outs and only a runner on first?)
Anyway, I’m interested in your thoughts – DOB, yours, too (I know the purists might dislike it, but that’s okay, too).
November 11th, 201210:39 am
For Ross to not be resigned is an absolute travesty – bordering on sheer incompetence. – You just don’t get it
Speaking of don’t get it, one might ask what part of two-year, $6.2 million deal for 36-year-old backup catcher, on team with $95 million payroll and a $12 million starting catcher, do you not get?
No one is higher on David Ross than I am, both because of what he did for the team and how good he was with us writers. But once the Braves picked up McCann’s $12 million option, paying $3.1 million for a second catcher became undoable for a team that has two other significant lineup needs.
November 11th, 201210:43 am
Liberty Media is the most disgusting, disgraceful, owner in a professional sport. Owners like these should not be allowed to have a team. They only want it as a “asset” to build value so they can sell it and make a profit. Ownership of a professional team should be restricted to those that do teir best to win championships not just trying to sit on it until a tax situation is right before selling the team.
Why is Atlanta a “mid- market” team? Because of owners like this who do not try to elevate it to a higher level of play. They make crappy tv deals that limits income. Was it done to meet a certain tax status? Even if the deal was by Time- Warner they managed the team for the same purpose as Liberty Media.
Don’t think that players like Heyward, Freeman, and Simmons are not watching and wondering when they will have to move on because a ownership on want a “mid- level” market team.
November 11th, 201210:48 am
Who plays more innings a week?
David Ross or any of the top tier bullpen pitchers? — Ken Stallings
OK, I’ll bite, even if the comparison you’re making seems a bit of a stretch.
Before the past two seasons, when DL stints and the shoulder injury cut his workload, McCann started about 130 games a year.
So the backup catcher started a bit over 30 games, or less than one out of five. Your “top-tier” relievers pitch in 60-75 games a year.
And besides veteran closers and the best setup men, not too many relievers make $3.1 million per season.
But far fewer backup catchers make that.
November 11th, 201210:53 am
Why is Atlanta a “mid- market” team? — Gus2259
Why wouldn’t they be mid-market, when their attendance is squarely in the middle of the 30 teams, or slightly lower, and their TV revenues are squarely in the middle, and headed to the bottom third in coming years?
November 11th, 201211:06 am
DOB, I believe McCann’s option was for $12m, not $13m. Though the $13m has almost become an urban legend fact on the blog. Ugla’s salary is $13m.
November 11th, 201211:08 am
Braves should contact former Gamecock star Landon Powell.
Great defensive catcher. Very good handling a staff and calling a game.
And, a very fine person. All around good dude.
'C' you later Ross
November 11th, 201211:19 am
Would Braves consider bringing back Salty? How much would it actually take to get him from Boston? Dude hit 25 jacks in 2012.
November 11th, 201211:25 am
northbeach Scott: Thanks. Don’t know why I put $13 million in the comment, since I’ve had it correct in all my stories including the Ross-to-Red Sox story. Anyway, thanks. Fixed comment.
November 11th, 201211:33 am
I think it’s relative DOB to the “already” investment factor at that position.
The Braves are investing X amount of dollars into a catcher, based on his ability to hit in the middle of the order and provide more offense than most other catchers. So when he’s out of the lineup, it’s a significant drop off in production, or at least it should be (otherwise said investment in him is a waste of money, right?).
The Braves have survived Mac missing time the past couple of years BECAUSE of Ross. When he has stepped in, he’s not only filled in admirably, but as Mac has been injured the past couple of years, one could argue at times, he’s been an upgrade. In fact Fredi made that EXACT statement by starting him in the one game playoff.
So my point is that with Mac missing up to a month of the season and the Braves seemingly starting slow the past couple of years? Isn’t investing that money in Ross worth it alone, simply from the standpoint of not starting the year in a hole in April (or maybe longer) with Mac out?
The Braves depth is what’s kept them floating the past couple years. That and Prado’s ability to play wherever the hell they needed him to.
But imagine this offense the past couple of years with Mac out if it was say……. JC Boscan as Mac’s backup instead of Ross? THEN tell me you don’t think it’s important to have Ross on this roster.
With what they EXPECT from Mac (based on salary), and what they’ve gotten from him (or not gotten if you will), one could argue that Ross has been one of the most valuble players on this team the past year and a half. If you consider handling the pitching staff.
With their alleged abundance of depth at starting pitching, I’d rather they “dump” Tommy Hanson to save salary, than David Ross at this point.
1/3 of the 2013 seasn the Braves will have somebody that basiclly nobody else wants STARTING for them at catcher. That’s scary.
I’ll reserve final judgement until Wren has made his other moves. If Wren actually finds a way to upgrade the two positions that need to be filled?
Let’s assume Prado matches or betters Chipper’s season at 3B….. If Wren finds somebody that out produces what Prado did last year and replaces Bourn with somebody who produces more than him…..
Then fine. We can probably survive with “Schneider” or somebody like him at catcher for 50 games. If Wren fails to upgrade those positions? Then the bottom line is that the lineup got worse and the backup to our all-star catcher is worse.
Can’t possible see how if that scenario plays out, that 6.2 million over the next two years was “too much” money.
Then again, maybe myself and the Red Sox are crazy and Ross just isn’t worth it? LOL.
November 11th, 201211:43 am
Par for the course from Wren.
Red Sox Notes: Saltalamacchia, Lavarnway, Napoli
By Zach Links [November 11 at 10:05am CST]
Here’s the latest out of Fenway and the potential fallout from their signing of catcher David Ross to a two-year, $6.2MM deal..
•Many believe that Jarrod Saltalamacchia will be the odd man out in Boston with Ross now in the picture, but one rival exec told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter) that the club has actually been shopping Saltalamacchia for weeks. The catcher turned in a career-high 25 homers last season but saw his average dip (.222/.288/.454) and his strikeout total climb (139) in 448 plate appearances.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#2KGzWRmmI181jqum.99
November 11th, 201211:44 am
I don’t understand why alot of people are upset by not signing Ross. A backup is not worth that much. How many backup catchers making 3M? The Braves have far more problems than a backup catcher. Hopefully Wren is working on alot of things. The Braves will never go far until there’s new ownership. It would not be a surprise if the Braves sign Hamilton for 5 yrs. They need a name to bring people to the games. He’s not getting 7 years. (don’t think)
November 11th, 201211:47 am
Facts we have to face as fans.
1) Mac is not a gym rat or any kind of representation of a fit ball player. So expecting him to come back on the short end of a recovery estimated is foolish at best. He is doughy and will come back in May not two weeks into April. Feeling “good” is what all ball players say. Being able to perform or have a body that bounces back is another thing. Expect a long, slow recovery. PS – April games count too and you now go into April without Chipper, Ross or Mac. Think about that for a minute.
2) Ross as a result is not your back up catcher he is you starting catcher until Mac proves he is healthy. It doesn’t matter how much Mac makes if he is a automatic pop up out or worse he should sit. See Uggla. Playing them bc of what they make kills teams every time, period.
3) The Braves will get an extra 25mm from MLB starting in 2014 and have said payroll is going up from 92mm to 94/95 million in 2013. Ross was asking for another 1.7m per year. Wren has spent that on guys who never hit the field and or were cut. To say they couldn’t afford an extra 1.7mm a year is nonsense. On principle they may not want to spend the extra money but this was not a budget thing, please.
4) Bethancourt cannot hit a beach ball with a surf board and Gattis is this years Terds (hyped off the reservation and into the next solar system) plus he is not a very good catcher and sure as cow hockey not a ML ready catcher
5) Wren has no design center and is not working on a super budget bc money freed up for 2012 and 25mm heading his way un 2014. He just has no plan, never has. He is a transactional GM who grabs piece parts and assembles them under a very weak manager who people like but don’t respect.
6) If you doubt any of this come back in a year and see where they are….
Ross is not some super all star player but he is a guy for an extra 1.7mm you keep when your catcher is a huge ?mark and lost his job to Ross at the end of the season. The Braves have pissed away more money on worse players happily for years.
So if it wasnt about money it was A) poor decision or B) Ross realizes under Fredi (with no Chipper) this team is going to tank and he is too old to waste two years on a team that lost its rudder. We will see.
November 11th, 201211:48 am
Well Darryl Blackberry, we know who you voted for. Way to go!
November 11th, 201211:53 am
Jesus…there should be a word count limit for these posts. Fools be writing dissertations on this thing.
“I don’t understand why alot of people are upset by not signing Ross. A backup is not worth that much. How many backup catchers making 3M? The Braves have far more problems than a backup catcher.”
Yup. Like their 12 million dollar catcher who there is no guarantee will return to form or WHEN he’ll even return to the lineup. You’re right. That insurance policy of having the best backup catcher in baseball the past few years is pretty meaningless.
” It would not be a surprise if the Braves sign Hamilton for 5 yrs. They need a name to bring people to the games. He’s not getting 7 years. (don’t think)”
And then I saw that statement and realized that the first response likely went right over your head and i just wasted a couple minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
November 11th, 201211:57 am
big deal, happens all the time, you spoiled ‘fans’ need to quit whining. I applaud coach’s decision to start Ross in final game as McCann was not productive and Ross is no doubt a tremendous player but his age is an issue, money can be better spent and Braves decision making history typically proves to be successful. They will fill the void quickly, hopefully not with any of these free agent’s and people will soon forget about Ross as a Brave.
Sambo 4 Rambo
November 11th, 201212:39 pm
Gotta make a move Wren! The Braves country are truely disgruntled! Your sitting on the most money weve had in years to spend and we have major voids to fill with legit FA’s out there that arent going to be available for long! Cut a check, man!!
November 11th, 20121:00 pm
So the Braves will continue to pay Dan Suckkla however much to hit .220 and hit home runs only when in Miami, but the Braves can’t pony up to keep the only healthy catcher, who knows the young staff and is a valuable clubhouse presence for a pretty young team. Brilliant. Keep making these kind of moves (or lack of) and see how many people spend money at the Ted next season.
November 11th, 20121:19 pm
BravesFanInNashville; Thank You, Thank you, I stand corrected, Tyler Flowers is it, & another name just came to mind, back in ‘91 they drafted Tyler Houston out of High School, suppose to be a phenom, had a brief call up in the next year or so, but never panned out. Fizzled. I must’ve had his name confused w/ a o’l female aquaintance from high school named kelly flowers & her name just stuck. My daughter has been in radio broadcasting for little over a year now, Interned in a couple of places, A Huge Country Music Buff, is interning at a country music station now, probably plays you’re stuff all the time. She graduated from broadcasting school n’ hopes to land a producing gig some where preferably local.
November 11th, 20121:25 pm
Alloe there mate, to the land down under, hope things find you well, time zones can be crazy mate as they say, Petah Moylan could tell you the aussie way of having shrimp on the o’l Bobbie. Mabey hook up on his tweetah(Peter Moylan’s tweets).
November 11th, 20121:27 pm
Good guy but he is 36 and he stuck out 60 times in 176 ABs and hit .256. Braves are a mid market team and have to count the money.
November 11th, 20122:13 pm
Some fool on the Jays Journal suggested to trade d’Arnaud for Prado and Medlen or Minor. He must be the second coming of Johnny Bench for the Braves to give up that much.
Gran Jen 1
November 11th, 20122:39 pm
I’m just sick about losing Rossy! BAD move, Wren!
November 11th, 20122:55 pm
Well, Nobody said so I assume that Wren is still playing with his “pretty” hair. I could loan him some hairspray if he would get us a catcher.
November 11th, 20123:17 pm
74bravesjersey….. cool to hear about your daughter.. If I can ever help her we’ll figure out a way to get in touch.. In the meantime I’m going to have a little faith that the Braves front office has a plan.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear McCann’s name in some rumored trades to AL teams. I know people on this blog will correctly say that won’t leave us with a catcher but they’d have a plan to cover that too. The real goal is to put the best team on the field within a budget and that may include taking the $12 Million McCann will make and turn that into an outfielder or premium 3B and then getting a defensive catcher that calls a great game. Defense up the middle and great pitching is how teams win.
November 11th, 20123:18 pm
Thanks for 4 good years Dave. We just lost the only catcher that we had. Good for him though to make a little money for his family. Frank Wren is sinking the ship. Oh thats right though, I forgot his great plan is to bring in Eddie Perez from the bullpen. Might be more productive than Brian Mccann . What a waste of 12 mil. Frank, your an idiot.
November 11th, 20123:35 pm
No one but you consider Ross to be the best catcher in baseball. He is considered by many to be the best backup catcher in baseball.
November 11th, 20123:50 pm
McCann 13 million and let Ross leave. As Forrest Gump’s momma said “stupid is as stupid does”.
Bethancourt will fit in just fine with this group of hitters the Brave have. Ross was embarassing the front office with the manner he called gams….threw out runners, and hit. Everybody knows the Braves will not reward any player that can hit….they want Pitchers that give up 4 or 5 (minimum) runs per appearance and hitters that keep their average below .250. If players exceed expectations they are rewarded with either a non-offer on a contract or traded because they will want more money. GREAT MOVE FRANK!!!!!!!!!!
November 11th, 20123:52 pm
Appreciate you taking the time to answer my point. But, that is why I specified innings and not game appearances. But, baseball is a game of innings and playing innings is a fair comparison point. You supplied the math that proved my point. And yet, even though your numbers validated my point, it still did not include the times Ross pinch hit. It reached a point last season where Ross was the single best power bat off the bench.
November 11th, 20123:59 pm
iIt look like we are supplying Boston with players. They now have two former Brave Catchers….Salty and Ross. It now appears the the Braves management are planning to deplete the Organization of all quality players, and keep the scrubs because they play for peanuts. Look around both leagues and the many former players in the Braves Farm System.
November 11th, 20124:04 pm
FIRE WREN HE IS A JERK!!!
November 11th, 20124:36 pm
As long as Freak Wren is the GM, Braves won’t be winning a World Series anytime soon. I know Wren is give a certain amount of money to deal with, but he blows it on horrible players. We let Ross go, but we easily bring back Slim Schafer? Wren strikes out again!
November 11th, 20125:18 pm
Either I am an imposter poser or brain damaged teenager. Regardless, most annoying.
November 11th, 20125:22 pm
Why not trade Hanson for Salty with the Sox
Fan since 1977
November 11th, 20125:34 pm
To those who say we are whining about a back up catcher, he is the best back up C in MLB and gave us less concern about B-Mac’s absence next year. You can’t run on him, he has power and he handles the pitching staff, veterans and kids, very well. Calls a great came. As DOB said and everyone knows, best clubhouse guy. Now we got to make a deal for a proven catcher till we see what these 2 kids can do.I don’t even know who’s out there.
Ross just finished a two year deal worth $750k per, so I don’t blame him for taking a 400 percent raise. But he will be missed. I hate this constrained corporate budget crap. Bye Rossie. Wish you well. Come back in 3 years and become our manager.
November 11th, 20125:36 pm
@Art Wren is not that smart. Also he doesn’t want to.
Lemme See If I Understand
November 11th, 20125:44 pm
Braves gonna have a 90 mil payroll and can’t squeeze 3.5 mil per year for a couple of years for Rossy?
Something stinks here.
November 11th, 20125:49 pm
Fan since 1977 just said it perfectly. And if Mac was 100 percent guaranteed to come back strong? You make due until he comes back. But I’m not sold that he will. Which is why even at 6.2 million for two years, Ross is a sound investment. Even for a backup.
Like I said before. Wren can “solve” this by really upgrading the other two positions he’s trying to fill (and if Uggla starts off really hot until Mac comes back).
With a solid lineup 1-7, this team can easily survive with a defense only, veteran catcher for a month. But if Wren puts band-aids on LF and CF, and Uggla struggles (or if anybody else gets hurt in ST)?…..
Wren will regret not signing Ross. Even at a cost that seems crazy for a mid-market team to spend on a catcher.
I look at it this way. If the team has 12 million invested into Mac and 3.1 invested into Ross….. that’s 15 million invested into the catching position and guarantees a very solid option no matter who is in, and gives us the edge offensively at that position EVERY DAY over most teams.
This is a bad decision, that can be made to seem “less bad” if Wren makes the right moves with the rest of the lineup.
I wouldn’t be opposed to trading one of the pitchers for Salty. Then if Mac walks after next year and Bethancourt isn’t ready….. you go into 2014 with Salty for a year. If Bethancourt IS ready, you trade Salty next off-season.
Not to mention, he could spell Freeman at 1B if need be and be a DH in inter-league games (or let Mac DH).
Wren could do a lot worse than making a move for Salty. But I doubt that’s what he’s looking to move pitching for. Might be better off using that pitching to make a trade for an impact bat in LF or CF.
November 11th, 20125:51 pm
Well, this isn’t good news, especially with the uncertainty surrounding McCann. I’d have thought Wren would have made a concerted effort to get Ross locked up as soon as it was clear BMac needed surgery. Heck, he should have locked him up before the season ended. I hope this doesn’t portend the forthcoming off-season because it does smack a bit of incompetence on Wren’s part.
November 11th, 20125:54 pm
But here’s the thing. And we won’t know it until Wren’s moves are done…..
What if he had talks with Boston about Salty and another player for some of the young pitching? Which is WHY he decided to let Ross go, knowing that making a trade for a guy like Salty also helps out in 2014 in case they choose to let Mac walk?
Or if Mac is healthy as can be and tears it up, they sign him long term and then trade Bethancourt for help later on down the road?
I’m upset about Ross being gone because he was one of my favorite guys on the team. But am not going to really flip out until Wren’s off-season work is complete. Let’s not forget that many were upset when he let Smoltz walk, and in the end he had a plan to solve that.
If Smoltz can be allowed to walk away, David Ross can too. It just seems strange with the question marks with Mac to start the year.
I can only assume that Wren has a “plan”. LOL. Seems strange to trust that he does.
Crank My Wren
November 11th, 20125:55 pm
November 11th, 20125:57 pm
I say you obviously sign a veteran catcher on the cheap and go ahead and let Bethancourt get his early cup of coffee. He probably needs more time to develop with the bat but it would be nice to evaluate his defensive ability and the major league level. Only problem is it starts his arbitration clock.
November 11th, 20126:03 pm
It’s pretty sad how the Braves would move our best player from his natural position, give $62 million to his replacement who can’t hit or field the position. If Prado wanted to, he could’ve turned himself into a 30 homer/ .220 hitter but he’s too good of a hitter for that…I guess Wren is turned on by the long ball.
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