3:37 pm November 9, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 10th, 20129:55 am
Man, letting Ross get away with McCann hurt is troubling. Here’s hoping that Wren has got some contingency plan if this were to happen, he is the GM of frigging pro baseball team. I think you could consider the fact that though Ross was a awesome backup to McCann he is a back up. However, there was not much drop off at the plate or defensively when McCann was out.
November 10th, 20129:58 am
So DB what do the braves do now? Have extra money
D.Ross, who’ll be 36 in March, goes from making $3.25M over past 2 yrs w/ Braves, to making $6.2M over next 2 yrs w/ Red Sox.
That is just not something you see from a 36-year-old catcher.
November 10th, 201210:06 am
Is Anyone really surprised, Does it take an earthquake to see Wren is not good at his job. The Front office needs a Major shake up. Too much talent with the Braves to let JS @ wren doodle it away. Take care of the small pieces and large pieces will take care of them selves.
November 10th, 201210:12 am
Hi Mr JHarber. Do you think they will trade now or will they waste money on a worthless back-up
November 10th, 201210:24 am
If trend continues Amber, Wren will snooze and lose. Hope you and mom are well, By the way Happy Birthday Sunday many happy returns.
November 10th, 201210:29 am
Braves valued Ross a great deal, but weren’t going to go two years guaranteed at that kind of money for a backup catcher who’ll be 36 in March.
November 10th, 201210:35 am
ESPN is reporting that David Ross is now a Boston Red Sox catcher signing a 2 year deal for 6.2 million. WOW!! Frank maybe needed to spend a little more time looking in his own back yard as now they are in a fix.
November 10th, 201210:36 am
I don’t blame the Braves for not giving 6M & two years. Now is the time to trade McCann. As I said on another blog, the Yankees or Tampa will take him. Trade him to the Yankees for Romine & Mason Williams. Romine is ready for the majors.
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November 10th, 201210:40 am
@JHarber Thanks for birthday wishes. Mom and DAD are well. Not very good birthday present with Wren screwup. I guess he will spend millions on a piece of junk. Hopefully give Gattis a try,but beginning to wonder if he is thaty smart
November 10th, 201210:41 am
DOB Do you honestly belief they can replace Ross? The way he knows Braves pitching, great clubhouse guy, keeps everyone loose, then comes into ball game and produces. I do not. I appreciate the job you do keeping us informed But I do not believe Wren can handle the job. You have to look beyond stats at times and I believe this was 1 of those times.
November 10th, 201210:45 am
Amber I agree on all except Gattis not sure he is ready for the big leagues maybe by allstar break. But Ross creates a very large hole in the Braves roster. WILL BE VERY HARD TO FILL.
November 10th, 201210:52 am
Good grief….they let Ross walk?
Now down to zero catchers.
November 10th, 201210:53 am
Good for Ross! The Braves would have been far better off offering that deal to Ross instead of picking up McCann’s option. Between Wren and Gonzalez, it won’t be long before the Braves are basement dwellers! Dumb and Dumber!!!!
least of the east
November 10th, 201210:54 am
Braves are good at losing free agents and poor at signing them. they would rather make a trade and lose assets than sign a comparable player for nothing. the main idea is to save money even though Wren denies money is a problem.
they have their #1 catcher coming back from surgery and they let their backup (Ross) sign elsewhere a week after he is a free agent ? at his salary is a 2nd year that much of an issue ? this is stupidity.
so now we already have another hole to fill.
incompetence, poor judgement.
November 10th, 201210:57 am
holy frickin cow. 2 years for 6.2. braves should have paid that not only for a backup but for an insurance policy. wren screwed the pooch on this one. i generally give him more credit than the average braves fan, but he just peed in my raisin bran.
add catcher to our list. it’s not even on the wish list; it is now a must have. who the heck is gonna catch at the beginning of the season? i bet marteen could do it. he can do everything else. all kidding aside………this sucks. re-signing rossy should have been one of our top priorities this offseason.
amber girl, you got wittier since yoú’re all grown up now!!!!
November 10th, 201211:01 am
Maybe Wren quits trying to win prettiest hair contest, he will do something. I DOUBT IT. My hair is prettier than his,so let us take care. We lost Bourn, now Ross. Who;s next. Do your job Mr Wren.. Go get Russell Martin or Napoli or make a trade NOW! Get off your behind and get us a catchert. Then get Span and sign Victorino and give us our team back.. I want a birthday present from you Mr Wren. I want you to do your JOB. Quit worrying about your pretty hair and dfo something. NOW!!! Go Braves. Sorry for this but he has m,ade me mad now
Homer the Brave
November 10th, 201211:10 am
One of the Cardinals’ sport writers said that the Cards are shopping Shumaker and Descalso since they have an abudance of infielders. And he said the Braves are one of the teams that is interested in acquiring Descalso as a super-utility guy. Have you heard anything about this?
Thanks mr urban redneck Got to go. Be back soon. Give me a great big birthday present by getting our GM off of his behind and getting his JOB done
November 10th, 201211:18 am
“Braves valued Ross a great deal, but weren’t going to go two years guaranteed at that kind of money for a backup catcher who’ll be 36 in March.”
But they’ll gamble 12 million on a guy coming off of a major surgery, who might miss the first month?
Too many people forget that April counts too. The ONLY reason Braves are able to have Mac be the guy that he is in the middle of the lineup and miss much time as he does (even before this injury), is because D-Ross was the best backup in baseball and only guy that could provide reasonable replacement numbers when Mac was out.
Now if Mac isn’t ready, we’ll have Boscan or somebody of that nature (I think he was released). Which is perfect.
Wren better have bold moves in place. Losing Ross means about 30-40 games next year we’ll be like every other team out there……. weak offensively at catcher.
They’ll pay KK 6 milion per year to sit at AA. They paid JJ whatever he made last year to stay away. They pay Chipper 13 million to play in 2/3 of the games. Mac will likely start arount 110 or so games next year at 12 million. Uggla gets 13 million to do what he does. The Braves payed 10 million last year just to make Lowe go away.
But 6.25 million over two years is too much for the best possible insurance policy over a Mac injury?
Not a great way to start the off-season Mr. Wren.
November 10th, 201211:19 am
mister urban redneck? that’s hilarious. i’ll start calling my wife mrs. urban redneck. she will love it!
You pay Ross the 6.2 because this yr with McCann hurt he would play more. BAD MOVE
November 10th, 201211:23 am
That being said, I’m one of the guys that has said trade mac, sign another defense first catcher to split time with Ross, and spend the money filling the other positons on the field with some offense.
If Wren gets impact bats for CF and LF/3B. Things will be fine. Whatever Mac provides will be a bonus.
But i’ll believe that Wren gets impact bats when i see it. I think he’ll try. But with Ross leaving? I now have doubts he’ll close the deal.
November 10th, 201211:26 am
Losing Chipper, two holes in the OF and being stuck with Uggla. That plus a little more money and contract length = easy decision for Ross.
You have to wonder if their is much team chemistry and if the players believe in Fredi. Again have we heard anyone say lets wins one for Fredi or I would do anything to win one for Fredi.
He is not a bad guy but he doesn’t seem to motivate or inspire that dugout.
Ditto can be said of Wren and the FO. Most Braves say nothing about him or them which is telling IMHO.
Chipper was the only one and usually it was “i hope they get us abc player, wink wink”
Anyway here is hoping Mac doesn’t repeat or decline from 2012 and Bethancourt learns to hit but quick.
November 10th, 201211:29 am
Also, why would playing time come into play? Every blogger on here spouted for two years that Ross was good because he “knew his role” and was playing as much as he could and still be productive.
Ross allegedly even admitted this. If he truly thought that, why would more guaranteed playing time sway him? Are you telling me that he didn’t let the Red Sox know that he’s not good enough to play that often?
November 10th, 201211:31 am
N8 I agree whole hearthedly. Just do not believe in the Front Office any longer. Just too many moves that are unthinkable. Dempster comes to mind quickly among others. Makes me wonder out loud.
November 10th, 201211:33 am
Braves lose D. Ross to Red Sox
November 10th, 201211:40 am
Entered winter mettings needing LF & CF. Left winter meetings needing LF, CF,and backup catcher. Wake up Frankie Wren…
November 10th, 201211:42 am
I do not pretend to be a GM a manager or anything other than a passionate fan of baseball. That being said, I have followed the Braves since the time TBS came into existence and you could see almost every Braves games all year – and that is a long time ago. (Still seething over the Brett Butler debacle.) I think that allowing Ross to be signed by anyone is a huge mistake. As others have said, the games in April are important and having Ross was a pillar of strength for the first part of the season. Also as mentioned, one of the things that made Mac the catcher he was able to be was the off days he got because Ross could play any time under any circumstance to give Mac a rest (something I think is very important for every catcher). Throughout the season, listening to the pitchers talk about how good Ross is as a receiver and game-caller (especially the high praise coming from Medlen) the concern rises even more. I’ve looked over the minor league options and I just don’t see anyone who is ready to take on that role and do it well. I understand the financial risk of a 2 year deal for a backup catcher who is 36 but, when it comes to Ross, I think you through out the “business as usual” mind-set and you sign him. If he wants more playing time, give it to him. I think Ross made Mac a better catcher and I think the Ross and Mac together made the rotation better. I’m very interested to see what the solution Wren comes up with. I hope, as someone predicted, that we don’t overpay for a catcher that ends up hurting us in other areas.
November 10th, 201211:48 am
Yes but Wren has no problem throwing away 50-60+mm on a lifetime .250 hitter bc he hit HRs in meaningless games in FL. Or an over the hill starter or an over the hill Japanese pitcher, etc….
News flash Uggla will be 35-36 making 13mm a year at the end of his deal. Ross has an ROI that is through the roof, while Uggla’s is through the floor. Let’s not defend Wren to hard on this point.
Wren is a dart thrower partially blind folded on most of his moves and the results are the same. False hope and then the inevitable stumble at or right before the finish line.
For a team that has not advanced in the post season (usually missing it) past the first round, since what? 1999, why they keep the FO around.
BC Liberty doesn’t care, just like TW/AOL didn’t care about winning a ring or winning. Heck no one from Liberty could even take the private jet to honor Chipper when he hung them up. That speaks volumes. Even lollipop stealing politicians would show up for a photo op like that but not one person from Liberty? But I digress.
The FO hides behind payroll issues (which they profess are totally under their control, insert chuckle) when all they do is make foolish moves with payroll (Uggla, Lowe, KK, McOut) that can ill afford.
Yet Wren is a viewed as some kind of shrewd GM who pulls off unexpected hits. The problem is the trade goes from being well regarded at the time (mostly by his peers) to the same gone fishing results in October. Wren gets a “tough luck boss” pat on the back from industry and moves on to undershoot another day.
In traditional business you cannot guarantee a face plant YoY and not eventually get fired. And yes we know most teams watch the postseason from a hunting lodge or a golf course but the Braves use to be the model for winning and championships. They are now part of the herd hoping luck breaks their way and they can steal a big moment.
Liberty, the FO and FG will all need to go or this team will be a decoy.
November 10th, 201211:53 am
Very well said OZZIE.
Wren went to winter meetings to eat and drink with hid brethren and forgot the purpose of why he went. Like a kid that is given $20 to get bread & milk from the store but returns home empty handed…
November 10th, 201211:55 am
I agree — very well said Ozzie
November 10th, 201212:03 pm
A lot of 2¢ wannabe gm’s on here I see ? After I sign a couple big name OF’s Ozzie & others will be all over my jock praising me. David Ross was not worth $ 3.5 million to play one game a week. Take your legiance to the Red Sox if you like David Ross so much. I can surely make it without fans like you…
November 10th, 201212:06 pm
i COULD LIVE BETTER WITHOUT YOU FRANK WREN
November 10th, 201212:07 pm
In blog, meant to write best BACKUP catcher in baseball. Fixed now.
November 10th, 201212:30 pm
FW – More like fans of a team for over 25yrs who know what a purposefully built team looks like never mind a GM with a vision.
Wren will not go down as a shrewd or supreme chess player as a GM. Whether is a poor gut instinct or lousy and over the hill staff he zigs when he should zag and if he flops its bc he doesn’t have a 120mm payroll (which is a weak excuse when you are sitting on 90-94mm to spend)
It is beyond time for the Braves FO to hang them up.
Let a new team come in with a new approach (with no excuses) and get this team back to its former glory versus stumbling through each off season and season hoping the cards fall their way.
They are not getting back to anything at this point. Just more piece part teams and ill conceived moves.
From the silly hiring of Fredi to the poor use of payroll Wren and company need to be shown the keys to the street IMHO.
November 10th, 201212:31 pm
Thanks Harber and Lance
November 10th, 20121:09 pm
It pretty sad that D.Ross numbers are better than Fat Mac’s numbers if you project Ross numbers same amount of games as Fat Mac’s.
November 10th, 20121:13 pm
You arm chair gm’s need to get a job instead of blogging 24/7…
November 10th, 20121:16 pm
Chase Davis——–Come back on here in a year and tell us about dumb we are OK.
November 10th, 20121:17 pm
Hey Ozzie,the old folks home in Decatur is hiring bedpan changers starting at $4 bucks an hour. You need to apply.
November 10th, 20121:19 pm
You provide all the proof of being dumb with your misworded blogs…
November 10th, 20121:28 pm
I agree. Very well said Tranny Granny!
November 10th, 20122:03 pm
But we still have J.C. Boscan, doesn’t get much bettet than that does it?
November 10th, 20122:14 pm
We in the media are also in mourning — loss of best interview in baseball (Chipper) and one of the next-best (Ross).
November 10th, 20122:17 pm
Happy b’day, Amber Girl! After digesting the parts of this that would go down, it seems that the Braves have too many holes all at once. The biggest of all might be in the clubhouse. The biggest on the field is, as Drew said, starting pitching. Medlen’s run was a lot of fun, but can he be that hot pitching a full year in ‘13. Nuttier things have happened, but I’d settle for 80% of what he was during his streak. His control and that killer change-up are attributes you don’t find very often in a generation. Minor has come of age; he’ll be fine. Hudson is a gamer and can still pitch. After that, we don’t have much. Maholm isn’t a long-term answer, Hanson and JJ look to be done. Delgado may or may not be ready; Teheran doesn’t appear to be so. You don’t win at this level without a solid starting rotation; look what the Braves did in the 1990s when they had one.
Somebody mentioned Constanza. This isn’t Oakland. It’s still a team with the Bobby Cox/Earl Weaver mindset: power hitting wins. Chipper knew better when he emphasized the need for ABC players. We let Willie Harris go. We let Gregor Blanco go. We’re wedded to .260 hitters who might hit 30 homeruns, not .285 singles and doubles hitters. We need more people like Prado, of whom Constanza is one, with a lesser bat and more speed.
November 10th, 20122:18 pm
Not a geezer Chase. Happily in my mid 40s. Nice try at redirecting the conversation…
November 10th, 20122:41 pm
Had planned to write a new blog this morning before coming to AFL game. Then woke to the Ross news, spent morning doing that before heading over here to Phoenix Muni Stadium.
Just talked quite a bit with Nick Ahmed and Edward Salcedo. Both very impressive, mature guys. Salcedo has struggled with the bat this fall, but coaches love his attitude and he’s working on swing adjustment. Ahmed has opened a lot of eyes, strong defensive player and he’s hit out here, too.
Watching Spruill pitch for the PHX Desert Dogs against Salt River Rafters.
After leadoff hitter reached on an error to start game, Spruill picked him off at 1st. Nice move for a righty.
November 10th, 20122:56 pm
I use both a conditioner and hair spray on my pretty hair.
November 10th, 20123:00 pm
@Mr Frank Wren I do to jerk, But mine is still prettier than yours. DO YOUR JOB jerk.
November 10th, 20123:03 pm
Glad you maintain something frankie boy
November 10th, 20123:24 pm
@JHarber His hair can’t compete with mine. I do my job by going to school. Now he needs to do his job. WREN IS A JERK. Draws all that money as does nothing. I got pretty hair can I not go to school. He gets away with not doing his job. I can’t. He is stupid and a JERK. Sorry to be this way on my birthday but he has made me mad. I love our Braves and want them to win. He definitely doesn’t care about them. All he wants is the MONEY. JERK BIG TIME!!!!
November 10th, 20125:01 pm
It’s way early, I realize. Nevertheless, the Big 12 looking pretty good today in Tuscaloosa.
Wait, A&M not a Big 12 team anymore? Well, technically I guess that’s correct, but….
November 10th, 20125:10 pm
DOB Do you honestly belief they can replace Ross? The way he knows Braves pitching, great clubhouse guy, keeps everyone loose, then comes into ball game and produces. I do not. — JHarber
Going to be very difficult to replace what Ross brings in terms of intangibles, in the clubhouse, working with the other catcher and the pitchers, etc. Not to mention how well he plays and the big hits and defense he contributes.
November 10th, 20125:46 pm
DOB—–Thanks for the reply and keep up the good work. Most of us really do appreciate your work. Thanks again
November 10th, 20126:35 pm
(Sean Gilmartin for Denard Span) and (Hanson,Delgado,Pastornicky and Juan Francisco for Justin Upton!) Geta done!
November 11th, 20128:59 am
Ross wanted over 3 Mil a year and we wern’t willing to pay that and he knew it!We have an excellent catching prospect in Bethancourt and he will be in camp at spring training.Ross is 35 years old and on the verge of being washed up so we decided to go with youth or as Joe Pesci calls them…..The Youts!We need to save money because we are expecting a lower attendance this year and we have to pay those 2 over priced players McCann and Uggla so we had to let Ross walk………Oh and don’t expect Bourn around either.Bourn’s agent Scott Boras has priced him right out of our Ballpark!
November 11th, 20129:07 am
Wren had to take a dump and while he was sitting in his outhouse for 10 hours contemplating his next move Ross decided that he would rather play for the Red Sux then play for his Hometown team the Braves.
Angry acworth man
November 11th, 20129:57 am
Just curious about who said they were “productive” GM meetings? If it was Frank Wren, then it’s not worth believing!!!
Frank Wren is an idiot
November 11th, 20123:48 pm
Productive? Frank must have had his best round of golf ever out there. Thats right though, havent you heard Freddy Gonzo will be ptroling center field next year, Terry Pendleton is going back to 3rd and Eddie Perez is going back behind the plate. Not to mention Bobby Dews is going to be our 5th starter. Frank Wren is an idiot.
November 11th, 20124:24 pm
Centerfield should read Dexter Fowler,Package Hanson.Pastornick and Constanza for Fowler and Denvers back up catcher.We need to make this deal now/Walt Weiss are you reading this?
November 11th, 20127:40 pm
Losing Dave Ross makes this team several games worse in 2013.
I could never express in words how much I loathe Liberty Media.
November 11th, 20127:58 pm
Catchers,Catchers and more catchers.Let us look back Gregg Olson,Ozzie Virgil,Damon Berryhill,Bruce Benedict,Javy Lopez,Del Crandall,Earl Williams,Henry Blanco just to mention a few of tecievers past Now add David Ross to that list……
November 11th, 20128:10 pm
Span is a lefty, we need to add right handied bats to the lineup. He also has no particular strength as a hitter. He has no power, doesn’t walk much and has a so so OBP.
November 12th, 20123:05 am
Braves will never again have a legit shot year after year until new ownership arrives willing to spend money…I mean we can’t even hold on to our backup catcher…pathetic.
Bob the Blogger
November 12th, 20127:32 am
I hope the Braves can get Denard Span. Comparing Span to Bourn lifetime:
Average Bourn .272 Span .284
On-base Bourn .339 Span .357
Slugging Bourn .365 Span .389
Plus, Span strikes out 12% of the time, vs Bourn’s 20%. And Span is much cheaper. Bourn is better on defense and SBs, but it’s not worth the price differential.
Dan Uggla's Swing
November 12th, 201211:24 am
Really sick of the Braves constant obsession with going after a “power” bat. Enough already. It might have gotten them 14 straight titles, but it only got them one world series, and it wont win any in the near future. This team needs to be far more balanced, contact hitters who can put the ball in play. OBP and RBI’s will win far more championships than the 3 run homer will. Better pitching in the playoffs gives up far fewer homers. Power hitters = strike outs, strike outs lead to runners left on base and left in scoring position. This has been the plague of the Braves for the last two seasons. I know, the home run is so much more impressive to watch…….
November 12th, 20125:14 pm
Do you think this could be done?….Dexter Fowler in CF, Chase Headley in LF?…or would Carlos Gonzalez in CF work?…I think Fowler and Headley are possible and give the Braves alot of flexibility….Gonzalez would be a coup!!!
November 12th, 20126:33 pm
@gern blanston; Awesome! It would be a major impact move if the Braves were to pull off the deal of Chase headley & Carlos Gonzales. A MAJOR WOW FACTOR of a move. Those 2 could catapult our lineup in a serious way. You’re Cool on these Diggs man, Keep goin’ brother, like you’re thinkin’ man.
November 12th, 20127:01 pm
Hey gern; I wasn’t bein’ smart either, I’d give anything if FW would get the fan base back on his side if he were to get 2 sticks like Headley & Car-Gonzo, ’cause those dudes are a couple of Rake’n Thumpers.
November 12th, 201210:05 pm
MacPhail made Bobby Cox a manager
Where’s my time machine?
November 13th, 201212:48 am
This the year Frank Wrenn proves he got the mojo.
November 13th, 201210:20 am
The Braves lucked out by Frank not giving away the farm for has beens. As for Uggle…..don’t give him a choice…go to LFor it his butt on the bench and suck pine. His talent at 2nd has dimished as well as his hitting. We have to pay this bum so why not treat him like the bum he is. Prado’s talent is being wasted, and by screwing with him, may cause his downfall. He was the ALL STAR 2nd basemen and Frank decided to improve the 2nd base position…..I DON’T GET IT. Uggla wasn’t even on the All Star Team….see what I mean?
Now that Chipper has retired I suppose we’ll see all kinds of magic at 3rd if Fredi and Frank play their normal game. DUMB…DUMB…DUMB.
November 13th, 201211:54 am
I’d like to put Gattis in LF and move Prado to 3B. I’d prefer Span in CF but really don’t care as long as they can play D and run. I think Simmons will be a star and be our leadoff hitter.
Platoon to start with Salty and minor leaguer with Gattis as added protection
CF Let Constanza and Schafter battle it out.
I don’t like any of the above CF to over pay or trade away young prosects. We have some guys coming up that are a year or two away. Freeman and Heyward need to make that jump to elite status and Uggla needs to play they way we are paying him for. If you add the emerence of Simmons and the consistency of Prado our lineup is fine. I think Gattis will be a stud. I watched him in spring training and loved how he played. Keep Francisco, Pastornicky, Janish all as back ups. But I do think Maholm and Hanson are getting traded. Medlin, Huddy, Minor, Beachy, and Teheran as our starters. Delgado will start the season until Beach is ready. Just don’t think the Braves are sold on Hanson any longer.
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