At GM meetings: Bourn to decline qualifying offer

INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – To the surprise of no one, Braves free-agent center fielder Michael Bourn will decline the team’s one-year, $13.3 million qualifying offer by Friday’s deadline.

“The market for him is going to be much greater than a one-year contract,” agent Scott Boras said of Bourn, who has or is expected to draw serious interest from multiple teams including NL East opponents Washington and Philadelphia.

While the Braves haven’t entirely given up the possibility of re-signing Bourn, they don’t seem at all inclined to approach the contract levels that Boras will seek for his client, which could be at least five years at more than $15 million annually.

The Braves are exploring other options via free agency – San Francisco’s Angel Pagan probably tops that short list — or through a trade. Minnesota center fielder Denard Span is likely high on the list of potential trade targets. He’s a leadoff hitter like Bourn, which is what the Braves prefer from a center fielder if they have to replace him.

The Twins have made it known Span is available and are looking for starting pitching in return, an area where the Braves have depth and general manager Frank Wren said they would consider dipping into in order to fill lineup needs.

The Braves continued to address possible free-agent offers and trades Thursday on the second day of baseball’s three-day GM meetings, but Wren said none of those discussions had advanced since Wednesday.

Boras, in what has become an annual ritual at the GM meetings and baseball’s December Winter Meetings, held court in the center of the lobby at the meetings hotel Thursday, surrounded by dozens of recorder- and notebook-wielding reporters.

Braves incumbent starter Tommy Hanson and pitching prospects Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado would probably be in a three-way competition for the fifth-starter spot as things stand now. From that trio the Braves might be willing to trade a pitcher or two to get either a center fielder and/or fill their other need – a right-handed hitting left fielder or third baseman. (The Braves expect to move Martin Prado from left to third base to take over for retired Chipper Jones, unless something comes up that makes it easier to acquire a third baseman than a left fielder.)

Other free-agent center fielders include Shane Victorino and B.J. Upton, neither of whom ideally fits the leadoff part of the job description any longer, Victorino because he’s slowed some and Upton because his on-base percentage has declined steadily as his home runs and strikeouts increased.

As for the biggest name on the position player free-agent market, Rangers center fielder Josh Hamilton has never been a likely Braves target despite rumors to the contrary. Hamilton, a huge talent with a famously checkered past (drug and alcohol addiction) and some nagging recent health issues, is reportedly looking for a contract of about seven years and $175 million.

The Braves, who won’t divulge the specific amount available, are thought to have about $25 million of room in next year’s payroll to spend on players to fill their two primary needs, plus the bench and maybe a veteran reliever.

“Instead of having one guy take up 20 percent of our payroll, we’d rather have two guys taking 10 percent [each],” Wren said, speaking in general terms about organizational philosophy. “It just allows us to have a deeper ballclub. I think when you’re a mid-market club, that’s how you’re going to have to build.”

Also, Hamilton is a left-handed hitter.

“We’re a predominately left-handed team,” Wren said. “And that’s something we’re always looking at as we add big pieces – can we balance our club a little better. A right-handed hitter who can hit in the middle would be more balancing for us. Because when you look at [Brian] McCann, [Freddie] Freeman, [Jason] Heyward all being left-handed hitters, it’s a little harder to put the lineup together if we keep adding left-handed hitters.”

Wren said the Braves’ payroll would likely rise slightly in 2013.

“This year we were around $94 million or $95 million,” he said. “We’re going to probably increase a little bit this coming year. We’ve been creeping [up] with our revenue. As our revenue goes up, they’ve given us the ability to ride that revenue up a little bit, as well.”

Qualifying offers are part of a new system in baseball that replaced the old arbitration offers that teams made to their free agents in order to assure draft-pick compensation should those players sign elsewhere.

Baseball set the qualifying offer of $13.3 million by averaging the top 125 salaries in baseball from the previous season, and only nine players were extended those offers by teams before the deadline five days after the World Series. Those players had seven days to accept or decline the offers, and if a player accepts he becomes signed by his team for 2013.

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DHD

November 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

Let’s bring in the Upton Brothers for CF and LF.

Eric

November 8th, 2012
10:27 pm

Please please tell me why Francisco couldn’t be an option at 3B??? He hit well in limited playing time, was considered a good prospect, and is cheap!!!

bravo-n-knoxville

November 8th, 2012
10:34 pm

Offer the D-Backs Julio Teheran, Jonny Venters, and Juan Francisco for Justin Upton for LF. At 25, Upton’s power will return and he’s under a very affordable contract thru 2015. Place him between Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman…that would be the best trio of talent in the middle of any NL batting order.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
10:35 pm

Why are we still talking about Hamilton? Justin Upton is on the market, and for unknown reasons, the Braves aren’t “serious” about looking into him. WTF, why not? A 25-year-old, MVP-caliber type player that hits with power from the right side, and plays really solid defense. He’s exactly what the Braves need in an outfielder. It’s mind-boggling to know that we have the pitching talent to trade for Upton, yet the Braves seem entirely content on letting him find another home.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
10:42 pm

@Eric: He is an option, just not a likely one. He’s left-handed, and would need to prove that he could remain in the lineup on a daily basis, regardless of a right or left-handed pitcher being on the mound. If he can’t hit lefties, he’s not going to help our offense in any way.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
10:43 pm

Anyhow, Francisco needs to work himself into shape before his future is seriously discussed.

vito

November 8th, 2012
10:47 pm

i say get da Upton boys BJ may even take a lil less 2 play wit his brother i know that have 2 be something he may want 2 do but i only have 1 question that would make them have 3 blacks in da outfield havent had that sence da gorly days of Justice Nixon Guant (i am black also so not trying 2 be a racist just us or no real MLB team besides a Angels carry that many on team)

Sam Wol

November 8th, 2012
10:49 pm

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Sam Wol

November 8th, 2012
10:50 pm

Whoops.

Anyways, we should sign BJ Upton and trade for Justin Upton.

Both are good defensively and would provide a lot of pop as well as some speed.

Both are also more affordable than Hamilton and Bourn.

Wouldn’t trust any of the 3 Twins outfielders.

Eric

November 8th, 2012
10:51 pm

Francisco’s minor league numbers look pretty good. He hit close to. 300 in each of the last 3-4 years. In the bugs this year he hit 9 homers and I think 34 rbi in 200 abs. That’s 27 and 100 over a full year. He did strikeout 70 times but if he can cut down on that he’d be awesome.

phil

November 8th, 2012
10:52 pm

Juan Francisco is a disaster in the field and will not be an everyday 3B. We don’t match up with the Dbacks on an Upton trade because we don’t have MLB ready infield prospects to give them.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
10:55 pm

DOB – Has Wren and Co. said anything regarding Minor, and whether they would be open to trading him for an impact bat? With Minor being the centerpiece in a trade for Upton, I doubt the Braves would have to offer much more in terms of true value. Minor and a couple of mid-tier prospects would be enough, yes?

Eric

November 8th, 2012
10:56 pm

Hanson to Rangers. Andrus to Diamondback’s. Upton to
Braves

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
10:57 pm

@phil: They already said they would deal Upton for a good young starter. Top infield prospects aren’t a must.

phil

November 8th, 2012
10:58 pm

@Eric: Why on earth would the Rangers do that?

Sam Wol

November 8th, 2012
11:00 pm

Rangers are fools. They wouldn’t trade Andrus or Profar for Upton.

Andrus is completely inferior. We don’t know about Profar, but Upton is proven and they have Beltre holding up third base(although is one of the best players in the game still).

Hiawatha Terrell Wade

November 8th, 2012
11:00 pm

DBacks want a SS or 3B for Upton and the Braves aren’t trading Simmons or Prado, so Upton isn’t coming to the Braves.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
11:02 pm

Sam Wol

November 8th, 2012
11:03 pm

Hiawatha, they do have 3 way trades in MLB.

Unlikely

November 8th, 2012
11:05 pm

Who does Talent Evaluation for Braves? Might want to seek some Help in that Line. Has not been real good lately.

rainman34

November 8th, 2012
11:18 pm

The best thing that span brings is he is cheap. Which would leave us much more cash left to fill other areas on our team. I would love to see the braves give Evan Gattis and Juan Francisco a chance to show what they can do. We could then go hard for Greinke.
Span
prado
heyward
uggla comeback player of the year
freeman
mac
Gattis and francisco
simmions

Greinke
meds
hudson
hanson
minor
delgado would go in the trade for span im sure .
prado would go back and forth between third and left depending on the pitcher.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
11:18 pm

@Unlikely: Yeah, it seems like our farm system is a place where good prospects go to die. I want to say Dave Trembley was in charge there, but I think he’s gone now. I don’t know if they have hired anyone yet.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
11:20 pm

Christ, does DOB ever respond to folks on here anymore? What’s the point of a blog if you’re not going to interact with your followers?

jbill

November 8th, 2012
11:32 pm

On DOB’s other blog (Braves might trade pitching) he gave a great report on Francisco..go back and read it. Wouldn’t surprise me if he don’t come to ST 2o lbs lighter and playing great.

The Ranger wouldn’t want Hanson..
BJ will demand as much as Bourn.

Hiawatha Terrell Wade

November 8th, 2012
11:33 pm

Fans are overrating Braves prospects. Just because ‘Zona will trade him for a pitcher doesn’t mean they’d do the deal for Delgado and/or Teheran, who are B+ guys. Other teams have SS/3B/P that I’m sure the Dbacks would be interested in.

SeaTrout

November 8th, 2012
11:34 pm

Use pitching to trade for left fielder Mark Trumbo’s thirty plus homeruns and $500,000 salary. The Angels are looking for pitching. Sign FA Pagan for center. With the extra money go after quality bullpen and bench players. Then lets go play some baseball.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 8th, 2012
11:48 pm

@Hiawatha Terrell Wade: Teheran is an A+ prospect. Him packaged with Delgado would be MORE than enough to pry Upton away.

jj

November 9th, 2012
12:20 am

GET JUSTIN UPTON NOW!!! DONT MESS AROUND

Hiawatha Terrell Wade

November 9th, 2012
12:24 am

Teheran is NOT an “A+ prospect”. BA ranked him as the 4th best prospect in the International League.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614182.html

John Sickels rates him a B/B+

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/11/8/3620974/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects-for-2013

These are well informed guys when it comes to prospects, it’s not just me saying it. Wren has some solid arms to offer but it’s not like he has the best prospect in baseball. I’d rather trade 1 of teheran/delgado/graham to get Willingham than 2 of them to get Upton, because there are some potential weak spots in the major league rotation and I don’t trust Gilmartin, Spruill, etc.

Oh'man

November 9th, 2012
12:33 am

DOB how do we only have 25 million to spend when Chipper (13 million), Derek (15 million), Bourn (9 million) and the free agents we let go which probably adds another 7 million. That is 44 million dollars! Please explain that to me. However, the option of Fransico as a starter is terrible given that he is overweight! He can actually be a legit starter at third if he is committed enough, but his weight indicates the contrary. I do LOVE the Span idea! He is cheap and has same numbers as Bourn.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
12:36 am

“Wren has some solid arms to offer but it’s not like he has the best prospect in baseball.”

Teheran was the best prospect in all of baseball just last year, and is still ranked on MLB.com as one of the top prospects in ALL of baseball (#24 I believe). But whatever, I’m not going argue with you, it’s a subjective matter anyhow. The point is, despite Teheran’s struggles this year, the kid is only 21-years-old and his value is still high. Why you would want to trade him for a bag of bones like Willingham, I don’t hold a clue. The dude is an injury away from retiring and his defense will degrade quickly due to his age. We have plenty of arms, and even if you don’t trust some, the Braves are ALWAYS developing more. There’s no shortage in the pitching department, there is however a shortage in MVP-caliber type players like Upton.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
12:39 am

@Oh’man: If the Braves are going to be trade partners with Minnesota, they should avoid Span and target Revere instead. Revere is younger, cheaper, and has a ton of potential.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
12:46 am

@Hiawatha Terrell Wade: And I’m not sure why you don’t trust Gilmartin; he’s about as solid as it gets.

Hiawatha Terrell Wade

November 9th, 2012
12:58 am

Gilmartin is a back end of the rotation guy at best imo.

I agree Teheran has great value but the way some are commenting here “Get it done Wren!” they are acting like the Diamondbacks would be fools not to take Teheran. I’m just saying the Dbacks have options, even options that could be (ghasp!) better than Teheran. If the Braves don’t get Upton, it’s not because Wren is a bum and wouldn’t offer X pitcher.

As far as Willingham, he’s an injury away from retiring like every other player in baseball is an injury away from retiring. I wouldn’t give Teheran for him straight up, but for him and Span or Revere together I’d certainly consider giving up a package including a top guy. But it’s not Upton or Willingham or nothing, there are other options as well. I don’t think Upton or bust is necessarily the way to go.

Hooty Goot

November 9th, 2012
1:00 am

Oh’man — I know who Chipper and Bourn are but you lost me on Derek.

Oh'man

November 9th, 2012
2:16 am

@ButtermilkTuesdays I don’t mind that trade at all . Sounds good to me!

@HootyGoot haha, I should have added Lowe , Derek Lowe. We had to pay him 12 million last year.

Zete Great

November 9th, 2012
2:21 am

The issue of available funding is impacted by the automatic salary increases and the extra costs of the tender offers. (By the way, Derek is Derek Lowe. We paid the majority of his salary as part of the trade to Cleveland). Huddy, McCann, and Holmann had increases in base salary in their deals they signed. Additionally, the majority of the other players get a slight bump. All this put together eats away at the salary savings from Chipper, Derek and Borne.

Teddy B

November 9th, 2012
2:27 am

Uh, why is everyone suggesting we bring both Upton brothers onto the team? Honestly that would be a bad move they are mostly hype! B.J. never lived up to his full potential and Justin lived up to his potential one year out of all the years he’s been playing! Forget the Uptons, there are more capable guys out there! I don’t want to see us blowing a bunch of money on hyped up guys, we have enough of those types on our team already…*cough* Hanson *cough*

Get some legitimate outfielders who can play, not guys who might be able to play. The Uptons haven’t dedicated themselves to the game they got some cash and slacked off. Not what we need at this point. I’d rather see Pagan on our team than either Upton.

Teddy B

November 9th, 2012
2:31 am

And Revere couldn’t hit his way out of a wet paper bag! He has ZERO home runs last time I checked. It is always nice to get a lead off homer to start a game out right once in awhile more than NEVER. He languished in the minors since 2007 I think, he’s not that young anymore!

Wow I’m glad none of you guys, who keep coming up with terrible idea after terrible idea, work in the front office I would be finding a new favorite team with the quickness!

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
2:35 am

“Gilmartin is a back end of the rotation guy at best imo.”

Heh, at best? Wow, okay.

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
2:41 am

“I agree Teheran has great value but the way some are commenting here “Get it done Wren!” they are acting like the Diamondbacks would be fools not to take Teheran.”

You can’t blame fans for thinking this way when it’s Wren who has been sitting on these “untouchable” arms for the last couple years and says things like:

“Julio Teheran, in his case he got off track for about two-thirds of the minor league season, and in the month of August he got back on track and was dynamic and outstanding again. So we’re looking forward to him – they’re (Teheran and Randall Delgado) both pitching winter ball in the Dominican Republic, and we’re looking forward to them continuing that development. But they’re still guys that we value a lot, and so if we’re going to have any [trade] discussions it’s going to be for a very, very big piece.” – Frank Wren

So, what does this mean exactly? Unless you’re offering us Miguel Cabrera, we aren’t going to even DISCUSS a trade?

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 9th, 2012
2:56 am

@Teddy B: You’re an idiot.

WTF

November 9th, 2012
5:17 am

Is there no one in the system who can play CF? Have we no lead-off guys down on the farm? And does the CF position just have to lead off?
A right-handed bat is a must, yes, but a LFer with some speed can do that job and a RH bat with pop can do some serious damage lower in the order.
Enough with free agents, prima-donas and journeymen. A solid baseball player is out there. Span may fit the bill, but if a minor league guy isn’t ready this year but would be next, why sacrifice the team for one year?

Craig

November 9th, 2012
6:00 am

Why is nobody talking about Peter Burojus from the Angels. Right hand bat and great cf defence. Cheap and could be had for a pitching prospect.

George Jr

November 9th, 2012
6:13 am

Bourne said how much he liked for the braves i kinda dont understand why bourne and the braves cant make a deal if the difference is 1.7 million … I would really like too see upton to go too the braves upton can turn his stats around or pagan would be a good fit as well he always played good against us when he was a met or now with the giants

Virginia brave

November 9th, 2012
6:29 am

Trade for J Upton. Not BJ.

Obee

November 9th, 2012
6:45 am

Sandoval isn’t exactly svelte and he did OK at third.

Phil

November 9th, 2012
6:54 am

There will be many empty seats this coming year because the Braves have no Superstars on the roster! Bargain basement players won’t get it done! Spend the money! The government does even if you borrow it all from China!

Frank Wren

November 9th, 2012
7:03 am

A healthy Brian McCann for 2013 is the equivalent of acquiring an ALLSTAR catcher. Having said that don’t look for me to acquire any big names this off season.

Diaz in left and Bobby Cox-favorite Ryan Langerhans in CF completes our team.

I’m ready for spring training !

a fan

November 9th, 2012
7:06 am

We don’t want either Upton

HAL

November 9th, 2012
7:11 am

justin upton makes uggla look like a contact hitter the two uptons struck out almost 400 times between them but yes there both black get them and the ushers at turner field will be happy and ill cheer for the twins lol whats wrong with victorino as a free agent hes probably a better all round player then bourn coming off one slightly off season so could be had at a resonable price bourn wasnt worh what we payed him last year was he on base at all in the month of september if so not an a lot

LJ

November 9th, 2012
7:26 am

Bourn is’nt actually worth 10 Mill a year.from what I saw. He strikes out way to much. He’s a one way player with his good fielding. Let him go.

Joey

November 9th, 2012
7:27 am

I’d want to see Boros airbrush away Bourn’s second half BA, when offering his talents to prospective GMs.

cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
7:38 am

Bourn was a contact hitter until he came to the Braves and started swinging for the fences, which seems to be a Braves’ trait.

happy hunter

November 9th, 2012
7:42 am

I would love to see a deal with the Twins to get Denard Span and Willingham. The OF would be solid and that would solve 3B with Prado there every day. Wren can shore up the bullpen with whatever is left over .

cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
7:43 am

How about Lorenzo Cain with the Royals?

Cain hits righty, he’s a Georgia native, only 26.

He has a .281 career average in 391 career at bats, and has some speed. He has great minor league stats & the Braves’ had interest in him just two years ago before they acquired Bourn.

David O'Brien

November 9th, 2012
8:17 am

DOB how do we only have 25 million to spend when Chipper (13 million), Derek (15 million), Bourn (9 million) and the free agents we let go which probably adds another 7 million. That is 44 million dollars! — Oh’man

To begin with, the Braves’ arbitration-eligible player salaries will go from about $10-11M to about $29M (and that doesn’t include Jair Jurrjens, since there’s no way he’ll be on roster at an arb-set salary, which would be over $7M).

Then there are a couple of other raises, including Paul Maholm, who will make $6.5M (Braves paid little or none of his salary in 2012, when Cubs sent cash to Braves in the trade that brought him and Reed Johnson to Atlanta).

smallmouth6

November 9th, 2012
8:21 am

Move on Braves. Enjoyed watching Bourn, but he swoons in the second half and you have offered him plenty.

Mitchell

November 9th, 2012
8:21 am

$13 million for one year?

When have we ever offered anybody that much for one year in the past seven or eight years?

I guess we’ll have to find somebody else to strike out with the bases loaded every time.

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cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
8:30 am

“I guess we’ll have to find somebody else to strike out with the bases loaded every time.”

One Dan Uggla on the team is enough; we don’t need two !

Mitchell

November 9th, 2012
8:35 am

I don’t care how much money we have to spend.

As far removed as we are from the Ted Turner days we are in no way a “have-not” team.

The A’s won 94 games in 2012. The Rays, once again, won 90.

Regardless of how much the Phillies/Yankees/Angels, etc. spend, there is still not a law against winning with a mid-range or even a penny saving payroll.

Mitchell

November 9th, 2012
8:37 am

What about Justin Upton?

He’s make Uggla look like Ryne Sandberg.

Timbo

November 9th, 2012
8:37 am

Bourn will get paid, but he is seriously overrated.

Jack Clompus

November 9th, 2012
8:38 am

“Move on Braves. Enjoyed watching Bourn, but he swoons in the second half and you have offered him plenty.”

Some on here have a voice of reason. Don’t overpay for these aging FAs who are on the back end of their careers. And those mentioning the same player over and over……..they are not hidden nuggets that only the Braves have access to. Matt Turnoff does this all the time….When Mario Williams became a free agent he was fixated for weeks as if no other team knew he existed. Williams was overpaid by Buffalo and he’s been a huge bust. Get away from obsessing about fat aging FAs and drug addicts.

Mitchell

November 9th, 2012
8:39 am

“He’d.”

“He’d”

Damn you iPhone auto-correct!

Denny Lemaster

November 9th, 2012
8:39 am

Yeah, right. Let’s add the Upton’s and their attitudes. Let’s add 200 more strikeouts to a team already striking out massive numbers. Yup. Let’s go get the Upton. Smart move.

Brave New World

November 9th, 2012
8:42 am

The team that signs Bourn for $15 mill a season over 5 years will get the following: 1) a lead off hitter who strikes out about 150 times a year; 2) a streaky hitter who gets hot then cold; 3) someone who does not get on base as often as he should to be able to utilize his speed; 4) a good base stealer, but not a great base stealer; 5) a very good defensive center fielder; 6) a seemingly good clubhouse presence. Good luck Mr. Bourn – you’re a good to very good player, but not worth $15 mill per year.

Timbo

November 9th, 2012
8:44 am

Steals were down for Bourn this year. He couldn’t hit his way out of a wet paper sack in the second half of the season and he made several business decisions on deep fly balls near the wall this year obviously thinking about his pending free agencey. Leaving for 15 million dollars (or more) a year is no great loss IMO.

jim

November 9th, 2012
8:49 am

Sign tori hunter for 2 years and figure out a way to trade for Chase Hadley (SD).

The Prima Dona Red Headed Whiner just needs...

November 9th, 2012
8:52 am

The do nothing WHINE-ER Tommy Hanson just needs to BE GONE – Never to be seen in a Braves Uniform again – What a Freaking Loser!

BM

November 9th, 2012
8:53 am

@Buttermilk, Teddy is right. Take a look at BJ’s stats, they’re horrendous. He’s batted like .220 the past couple of seasons. I don’t care how fast he is; if you’re not getting on base, it doesn’t matter.

leftrecursion

November 9th, 2012
9:03 am

I like the idea of trading for Justin Upton and signing Victorino for CF. Anyone complaining about Upton’s strikeout rate needs to go back to last season and look at Bourn’s. The difference is Bourn is supposed to set the table.

Evans

November 9th, 2012
9:08 am

Don’t forget that there are several teams, with more money than the Braves, who also need outfielders. Pagan isn’t coming to Atlanta because the Giants and Rangers both need outfielders and they have a lot of money to spend. Josh Hamilton isn’t coming to Atlanta, either (see above). The Twins aren’t trading Ben Revere for obvious reasons. The D’backs are in no hurry to move Justin Upton (they just traded Chris Young). As for Bourn and Victorino, the Phillies, Nationals, and Dodgers are at the front of that line, with the Mets ready to grab the table scraps. The Braves need another plan. The Rockies don’t need Michael Cuddyer so he might be a trade option, although he isn’t exactly a Gold Glove outfielder.

Dan Uggla's Swing

November 9th, 2012
9:08 am

smh at most of these comments.

cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
9:09 am

“Take a look at BJ’s stats, they’re horrendous. He’s batted like .220 the past couple of seasons. I don’t care how fast he is; if you’re not getting on base, it doesn’t matter.”

At .220, BJ would fit in nicely with some of our other regulars

Frank Wren surely must be interested

Mrs. Francouer

November 9th, 2012
9:11 am

Bring back Jeff Francouer !

Lost Cause

November 9th, 2012
9:11 am

Why not trade JJ to Arizona for Chris Johnson? Let him and Francisco platoon at 3B and bat 6th or 7th and leave Prado in LF since he appears to be a gold glove candidate there. Then they can focus on buying a center fielder of choice. Just a thought.

Joe Nuxall

November 9th, 2012
9:12 am

I like the idea of having Span and Pagan in our outfield. Span can come via trade, which will save money. Pagan will come fairly cheap as a free agent, and the Braves will still have $$ in their coffers for additional talent.

ga gator

November 9th, 2012
9:18 am

I hate the Yankees but I guess Wren never learned the concept that you have to “spend money to make money”. If we spend it on talent then that will translate into winning, more tickets sold and more revenue. Some of the mid-week games at Turner Field during a few of our losing streaks this year looked like a Marlins home game. Wake up Wren/Owners and open up the check-book!!

Rick C

November 9th, 2012
9:21 am

ga gator, first off, Wren does not set the payroll. Second, the Braves won over 90 games last year and have been competitive for the last several years. If the fans still don’t show up, that’s on them.

NORRIS CHUCK

November 9th, 2012
9:23 am

Joe Nuxall,

Im pretty much on board with that. Its looking more and more to me that they Braves and Twins will deal cause they are a perfect match. Somehow i get the feeling Torri Hunter may get some feed from the Bravos as well.

Lost Cause

November 9th, 2012
9:28 am

And for that matter a CF does not have to be a lead off hitter. Lead off hitters don’t have to steal they just need to be able get on base and get around the bases and score as well someone who can steal! Prado would be sufficient in that category. 300 batting average and OBP of near .350 would do the job:

In 590 at bats as the Braves leadoff hitter in his career he has a .298 BA, 91 Runs, 19 HR, 71 RBI, .340 OBP, .469 SLG

This is better than any other spot in the order he has appeared in of a sufficient amount. I believe these numbers are better than Bourn’s! I have not compared against other lead off type hitters available.

My vote Prado for Lead off! Buy a CF with power, hits for average, and is patient.

ga gator

November 9th, 2012
9:29 am

Rick C try to read the entire post; “Wake up Wren/Owners and open up the check-book!!” If you are OK with being competitive, fine, but the Championships are what I am looking for. If the fans don’t show up it is also on the ownership and Wren for signing bums like Uggla at over 12 per year for the next 5 and go on their slides that prevent them from winning a championship..

Rick C

November 9th, 2012
9:36 am

The Braves had the same record as the Giants, who ending up winning the championship.

jim

November 9th, 2012
9:39 am

I don’t see why the Nationals are considered as a prime suitor for Bourn. They just extended LaRoche to play first base and have an outfield of Werth, Harper, and Morse with Bernadinha as a solid 4th outfielder with speed. Where do they play Bourn? If they sign Bourn do they move Werth or LaRoche (or Morse?)? Speaking of dumpster dipping, the Nats did a pretty good job of that when they signed Morse out of Seattle’s dumpster — a dumpster that Frank Wren also trolled for EOF.

Gene

November 9th, 2012
9:49 am

Wren should have picked up Ibanez when he had a chance.

Rick C

November 9th, 2012
9:49 am

jim, LaRoche declined his option and the qualifying offer, so he is still a free agent right now. I think the Nats ideally would not like to keep Harper in CF. So, they either sign LaRoche and trade Morse, or Morse just moves to 1B. Either way they will have an opening in CF.

jim

November 9th, 2012
9:49 am

As a fan watching the rest of the playoffs and the WS, I tried to put myself in the mindset of a player seeing the electricity in the park in SF and the other cities compared to the usual empty seats and quiet crowds in Atlanta and say, where would I want to play? As much as I personally love the Braves, the imaginary ballplayer in me said I’d love to play before that SF crowd, or the one in St. Louis. San Francisco, great City, great fans, good team — if I’m Pagan it would take a huge difference in salary for me to leave the Bay.

Brown

November 9th, 2012
9:57 am

Jim – true. I don’t see why Nationals would spend on Bourn – their outfield seems pretty set to me.

Dub366

November 9th, 2012
9:57 am

This the very reason Atlanta Braves can’t win a world championship, because they are cheap. Fan need to stop spending they hard earn money to see this mess in Atlanta.

Kashi

November 9th, 2012
9:57 am

If GATTIS is ready to play in LF and we have SCHAFER as a backup, why the heck we need to spend too much in LF? I would just trade HANSEN and low level prospect to get decent lead off CF. With all the saved money I would get a dependable bull pen / relief pitchers. At the end we’ll still have all our untouchable major league ready pitchers in Gwinnette.

Kashi

November 9th, 2012
9:59 am

Btw, isn’t Schafer a lead off player too?

tony

November 9th, 2012
9:59 am

if they are going to pay pagan 11-12mil you mine as well just pay bourne 14-15.

cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
10:00 am

Prado has hit leadoff before and just was not a good fit; he seems to be more productive lower in the lineup.

Lorenzo Cain would be an affordable alternative

cornjolio

November 9th, 2012
10:01 am

“Btw, isn’t Schafer a lead off player too?”

Please, we’ve been down that unproductive road before. He hit .211 with the minor league Astros last season.

Rick C

November 9th, 2012
10:04 am

Dub366, again the Braves had the same record as the Giants this season.

Kashi, because Gattis has barely played above A ball and is far from a sure thing. And Schafer is a 4th outfielder at best, not a starter for a contending team.

Heisenberg

November 9th, 2012
10:07 am

At GM meetings: Bourn to decline qualifying offer

No worries, they just brought back Jordan Schafer. LoL

Tim

November 9th, 2012
10:08 am

I’m all for giving Gattis a chance in LF. I think he will be a very decent OF with a big bat. Move Prado to 3B and then get a CF with a trade. I believe that will be the scenario that occurs.

I think that Teheren and Venters will be centerpieces of any trade for an adequate CF. I believe Wren wants to hang on to Delgado and I think the top brass feel they can bring Hanson back to his old form. If they can get Tommy back to where he was two years ago, that would bode well for our rotation. Tommy will never be a top three starter again, but if he can be the number 4 or 5 starter it will be a plus for the Braves.

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November 9th, 2012
10:15 am

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