Braves might trade pitching for lineup needs

INDIAN WELLS, Calif. – The Braves again have more major league-ready starting pitchers than can fit into a rotation, and some are no longer viewed as next-to-untouchable by general manager Frank Wren.

The Braves seek a couple of hitters to fill out their lineup – a left fielder and a center fielder/leadoff man — and could use part of their pitching surplus to fill at least one of those needs

“There are clubs that recognize we may have some pitching,” Wren said Wednesday after talking with other GMs on the opening day of the general managers meetings that run through Friday. “Whether we’ve got enough to fill [other needs] or not, I don’t know.

“But we like the depth that we have, and we might be able to use it to get something that we need. And there’s some teams that have pieces that would be helpful to us.”

One of those teams is Minnesota, which needs pitching and is open to trading center fielder Denard Span, who has a .284 career batting average and .357 on-base percentage in parts of five seasons, and twice totaled 10 triples and 23 or more stolen bases.

Span, 28, is under contract for two more seasons at $4.75 million in 2013 and $6.5 million in 2014, with a $9 million team option for 2015.

The Braves haven’t ruled out re-signing free agent center fielder/leadoff man Michael Bourn. But his agent Scott Boras’ expected asking price could be at least $75 million over five years, figures that Atlanta would probably be reluctant to pay for a 30-year-old whose greatest asset is speed.

“Michael was a good fit on our ballclub, and continues to be a good fit,” Wren said. “Really, the ball is in their court. We served it over there at the end of the season, and it hasn’t returned. I’ll just leave it at that.”

Among free agents, Angel Pagan seems the best other center-field/leadoff possibility, but is expected to return to the Giants. There are others including the Rays’ B.J. Upton (28 homers, 31 steals) and the Dodgers’ Shane Victorino, but Upton’s career-worst .298 OBP in 2012 and Victorino’s career-wost .704 OPS raise caution.

The Braves could keep Martin Prado in left field and acquire a third baseman to replace Chipper Jones, but are more likely to move Prado to third and pursue a left fielder.

The Twins might also listen to offers for left fielder Josh Willingham, who has 64 home runs and 208 RBIs over the past two seasons, and hit .260 with a .366 OBP and career-best .890 OPS at age 33 in 2012. Since Willingham is signed at a relative bargain rate of $7 million each of the next two seasons, it might take an overwhelming offer to pry him from the Twins.

Span is available because Minnesota has 24-year-old speedster Ben Revere available to take over in center field. Wren said it’s not a prerogative that the leadoff man be a right-handed hitter, but the Braves would want the other acquisition to hit right-handed.

Span hits left-handed (like Bourn) and Willingham hits right-handed.

“Anybody that’s got numbers [of starting pitchers] or anybody that’s got a possibility maybe of having a lot of depth, then more than likely we have talked to them,” Twins GM Terry Ryan said, without naming specific teams. “They aren’t just going to distribute pitching to other clubs unless they can get something back that fills a need. Some way or another we kind of know who we match up with.”

If spring training began today, the Braves would probably have the first four spots in their rotation filled by Kris Medlen, Tim Hudson and left-handers Mike Minor and Paul Maholm, with the fifth spot being contested among Tommy Hanson and prospects Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado. Brandon Beachy is recovering from ligament-transplant elbow surgery and is expected back around or slightly before the All-Star break.

“I think you have to be realistic,” Wren said. “When you’re looking to fill needs, where do you have the most pieces to move if you have to move someone? And I think that’s how we look at our pitching – we’re not looking to move any of them, but if it helps us fill a need, we’re open to it. And that’s how we’re approaching it as we talk to teams. We like our pitching staff the way it’s constituted. We like the young guys a lot, but as we put our team together, if something makes sense we’re open to discussing it.”

The Braves could also get involved in discussions with the Diamondbacks about right fielder Justin Upton, who had 31 homers and an .898 OPS when he finished fourth in the MVP balloting in 2011, between a pair of 17-homer seasons. Arizona GM Kevin Towers said he’s not looking to trade Upton but confirmed he would entertain offers for the right-handed hitter, who is owed $38.5 million over the next three seasons.

However, the Diamondbacks would be looking for multiple players in return for Upton, including a quality major league shortstop or third baseman.

321 comments Add your comment

myke hawk

November 7th, 2012
10:24 pm

willingham is basically another uggla.

myke hawk

November 7th, 2012
10:24 pm

willingham is basically another uggla.

David O'Brien

November 7th, 2012
10:27 pm

willingham is basically another uggla.

Please compare their numbers over the past two seasons and explain what you mean. Not to mention their contracts.

TNScott

November 7th, 2012
10:33 pm

Thanks, DOB. You are the man. Would trade as much pitching and position players as possible for Chase Headley and leave Prado in LF. SH good average and power for a very pitcher-friendly ballpark

Matt

November 7th, 2012
10:35 pm

guys, dont hurt DOB’s feelings. You know he has a love interest with Josh Willingham.

Jack Clompus

November 7th, 2012
10:35 pm

Lohse. The 4th spot is questionable and we need a solid 5 guy for inevitable injuries. We have no fluff when it comes to pitching, but the illusion is there. Always a big mistake.

Unlikely

November 7th, 2012
10:36 pm

sounds like bottom feeding to me. oh well

TNScott

November 7th, 2012
10:36 pm

Hawk- Did you ever live in southeast Tenn? Knew someone with your name and spelled the same.

Brian

November 7th, 2012
10:39 pm

I think Headley would be the best fit IF the Padres would trade him. Obviously, based on their comments, he is staying in San Diego.
My next thought would be to get both Upton brothers to fill the needs in the outfield. But again, Justin is going to be tough to pry from Arizona as a lot of teams want him as well.

glord1

November 7th, 2012
10:40 pm

If Willingham is healthy he can hit. He always hits when on the field. He has been healthy for a couple of years now. I would take him to play left field in a heart beat.

TNScott

November 7th, 2012
10:42 pm

Brian- The only problem is he plays in maybe the most hitter-friendly park to a pitcher-friendly park. Just saying.

BraveDough

November 7th, 2012
10:42 pm

DOB – What do you think it would take to get J Upton? Think Simmons would have to be involved Realistic to make a big move like that?

David from Athens, Alabama

November 7th, 2012
10:43 pm

Thanks DOB… looking forward to next couple of days!

Buttermilk Tuesdays

November 7th, 2012
10:47 pm

“Think Simmons would have to be involved Realistic to make a big move like that?”

Nah, we could get Upton without dealing Simmons.

Glord1

November 7th, 2012
10:47 pm

Just say no to BJ Upton. Not a very good baseball player and a first class jerk. Now Justin Upton……that’s a different story.

wag

November 7th, 2012
10:48 pm

get spann. he hits lefties and righties the same and struck out 100 times less than bourn last year. you can still sign victorino or pagan to play left. go after speed and contact. giants did it that way plus great pitching which we have. giants were last in homers but near the top in obp and avg.imagine victorino, spann and heyward in the outfield. speed an defense. also leaves cash for bench and to extend prado. and yes i even believe uggla will hit 30 hrs and bat .250 next year. go braves!

Chop Chop

November 7th, 2012
10:50 pm

“…some are no longer viewed as next-to-untouchable…”

You’d have to be a damned moron to hold onto pitching prospects for years without getting much return from them. Wren might head into that territory if he doesn’t use these chips now.

BravesFanInNashville

November 7th, 2012
11:02 pm

Span seems like a great option especially considering his contract/age and better OPS than Bourn. If he doesn’t cost us more than one of Delgado, Teheran, or Gilmartin he’d be worth it. Even if Wren had to trade Hanson in the deal I think it would be worth it. The Braves would save over $10 million per year and have similar performance to Bourn. It would then be possible to go after a real bat in LF and move Prado to 3B.

Trading for Headly would be a dream and if Wren could pull that off it would be amazing. It would surely cost Delgado and Teheran and another great prospect but even at that it might be worth pulling the trigger on.

Oh'man

November 7th, 2012
11:09 pm

I really like the Denard Span trade if it goes down! He has really good numbers, better than Bourn and is a lot cheaper. If we can’t get Span then I will pursue Angel Pagan. I will take Span, Pagan, Bourn in that order. Bourn is overrated. He doesn’t do squat the second half of the season. Willingham sounds REALLY GOOD if, and that is a BIG if, he can produce like he has the past two seasons.

Doug

November 7th, 2012
11:11 pm

Really looking forward to hot stove baseball talk, you guys

Crime Dog

November 7th, 2012
11:13 pm

Agree with Wag ’s possible acquisitions to cut the team strike outs. Ideally an outfield with Pagan Victorino and Heyward. No to Headely, Willingham, Bourn, and to the Uptons. Trade Hanson, Venters, C. Martinez or Gearin- that’s your leverage.

Kennesaw David

November 7th, 2012
11:15 pm

Simmons should be nearly untouchable in my opinion.

Clint

November 7th, 2012
11:20 pm

Just for fun, here are Josh Willingham’s and Dan Uggla’s stats for 2011 and 2012:

Willingham (2011) .246/.332/.477 with 29 homers, 56 BB and 150 K.
Uggla (2011) .233/.311/.453 with 36 homers, 62 BB and 156 K.
Willingham (2012) .260/.366/.524 with 35 homers, 76 BB and 141 K.
Uggla (2012) .220/.348/.384 with 19 homers, 94 BB and 168 K.

Obviously, Willingham had a SUBSTANTIALLY better 2012, but I think Uggla has the potential to bounce back. I wouldn’t be completely shocked to see Uggla but up a line of .250/.360/.500 with 25 homers.

They both strike out a lot, but take a fair number of walks and hit for power in a pitcher’s park.

I’d love to have Willingham in LF next year for the Braves. Give the Twins Hanson and either Delgado/Gilmartin.

BravesFanSince80s

November 7th, 2012
11:20 pm

Dexter Fowler please! If I were a betting man, I’d think Colorado would move him for less (pitching) than Minnesota would for Span, who I wouldn’t really want anyway given his age and the fact he’d be switching leagues which doesn’t always go down so well…

Two things

November 7th, 2012
11:29 pm

I’d consider any trade for an everyday starter for Hanson to be an absolute steal!
I’d ask, cajole, beg, threaten Uggla to LAY OFF THE WEIGHT REGIMEN some this winter. He needs to get quicker arms, he’s lost an ability to catch up to good fastballs.

the truth...

November 7th, 2012
11:30 pm

Tough calls for Wren….Huddy is aging and will have to be replaced sooner rather than later so his aging out will create an empty spot in the rotation….And as we’ve seen with Medlen and Beachy (and Huddy a few years ago) injury can impact a rotation in an instant….

We’d all want to send Hanson packing and not touch Delgado or Teheran I’m pretty sure….but does Tommy have the trade value after his last two years and his disappearing fastball ?

Clint

November 7th, 2012
11:32 pm

Please, no to Fowler!

Check out his home/road splits. He doesn’t hit well at all away from Coors. Braves fans would be regretting getting him by the beginning of June.

bulldogbubba

November 7th, 2012
11:35 pm

Martin Prado will be an All-Star at 3rd base so put him there.I think if he stays in one position he will improve his hitting also.That leaves us with outfielders to get.If we get at least one good centerfielder and use Reed Johnson in left we would have a pretty good outfield.Now Johnson may not be an everyday player but platooning seems to be what our managers do for that position so it may work.Just thinking ……

BravesFanSince80s

November 7th, 2012
11:43 pm

yeah because everybody hits 50 home runs a year and .500 BA at Coors Field every year. Dan Uggla USED to kill at Turner Field you know. Fowler is a local kid, he’s young, he’s cheap, plays great defense, has a good arm (worlds better arm than Bourn) and has improved over the past 3 seasons. Home/road splits, geez…

Clint

November 7th, 2012
11:55 pm

Dexter Fowler’s home/away splits for 2012:

Home: .332/.431/.553 with 51 Runs and 10 Home Runs.
Away: .262/.339/.381 with 21 Runs and 3 Home Runs.

Do you think its just a weird coincidence that he plays so much better at Coors field? A player doesn’t have to hit 50 homers to benefit from the thin air.

If you can’t see the proof in his stats, you might need to go back to the 80’s and root for The Murph and Horner again.

Bigwheel

November 7th, 2012
11:58 pm

Has anyone gotten any word on Schafer dusting off his cyborg pitching machine?

Id say trade for J Upton (gilmartin, ahmed, hanson and throw in) court his bro to play center, and get a set up guy. Extend Freeman, JHey, Prado and see about Mac next year.

jj

November 8th, 2012
12:01 am

If Wren can get Span with fair trade do it..Span was the best defensive CF’er in AL and should have won the Golden Glove award. Braves wouldn’t miss a beat with Span in CF and leading off. Would also love to have J Upton if not to high a price.
Wren I hope will try to get Headley from Padres..would be 3 years for 12 million.
Move Uggla if possible in trade and put Prado back at 2b where he was a ALL-STAR…
If we trade pitching then maybe we could go after FA Ryan Dempster and Lefty RP Jeremy Affeldt who get righties out .My $0.02 worth…go Braves.

Virginia brave

November 8th, 2012
12:03 am

I’d gladly accept any two of the following: (listed in order of Virginia Brave preference) Justin Upton, Victorino, Span and Pagan.

Also, let’s trade Uggla for Infante.

Barry

November 8th, 2012
12:14 am

move prado to 3rd, get pagan for center, cody ross for left

KnightInATL

November 8th, 2012
12:18 am

See ya later Big Red!! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

-The most overrated pitcher in the NL.

jj

November 8th, 2012
12:23 am

D-Backs said it was 80- 20% they would trade J Upton..but 3 -r-4 teams talking per MLB-TV.

go Wren…

jj

November 8th, 2012
12:27 am

Cody and Pagen are over rated and will cost more than worth..per ESPN Insider..

Clint

November 8th, 2012
12:27 am

If the Braves wanted to trade Uggla, they’d either get nothing in return or have to eat his entire salary or both.

It doesn’t make any sense to do that. He could bounce back or he might continue to struggle, but either way, he’ll do it in a Braves uniform.

I’d like to get any two of the following outfielders: Pagan, Span, Willingham, or Torii Hunter.

And then have Prado move to 3B. Keep Reed Johnson and Constanza for backup outfield/pinch hitting duties.

BravesFanSince80s

November 8th, 2012
12:41 am

it makes perfect sense to trade Dan Uggla if Wren can get a team to cover any of his contract at all, because after the past 2 seasons, Braves fans in general are pretty sick of watching him. Trade him IF you can, if not, bench his sorry behind if he continues to not hit his weight for extended periods of time. As to Fowler’s numbers, I’d take those numbers in a heartbeat as long as he stays consistent with that and doesn’t pull the usual FA spiral that so many seem to do when coming into Atl…

gatorsc1

November 8th, 2012
12:42 am

DOB is another Uggla

BiggDawgK

November 8th, 2012
12:42 am

Scott Boras is the devil.

jj

November 8th, 2012
12:42 am

Clint–Dodger wanting to move Ether and his contract..could maybe swap Uggla’s contract for Ether’s…But Ether can’t hit lefty’s and not that great in field.
Do Agree T Hunter for 2 years in LF.

BiggDawgK

November 8th, 2012
12:44 am

DOB is the most consistent and probably best writer the AJC has.

gatorsc1

November 8th, 2012
12:45 am

i agree with previous posters, bourne is great during the reg season, then like chipper throughout his career, takes a crap in crunchtime. IE 1 WS title after some many chances. span is the best option IMO.

Kujohn

November 8th, 2012
12:48 am

Chipper is gone. He was a huge draw to get fans to the stadium I am one of them
Now to replace him with. The likes of willingham or over the hill Victorian or pagon Excites no one we have money this yr an prospects Hamilton would get fans to stadium. 7 yrs 25 per no But will most likely come down Lets see Victorian an willingham Or for the same price Hamilton

jj

November 8th, 2012
12:51 am

Walt Weiss just named new manager for Rockies.

Kujohn

November 8th, 2012
12:55 am

Or even better. Zack Grienke. To anchor a staff of Medlin beachy (mid season ) Minor An how a bout a# 5 starter like Hudson Terahn. Delgado An our bullpen this could be the best pitching staff in the league for years too come Atl is known for pitching Why not be the best.
Then we could fill in 2 outfield on the cheap.

Kujohn

November 8th, 2012
12:55 am

Or even better. Zack Grienke. To anchor a staff of Medlin beachy (mid season ) Minor An how a bout a# 5 starter like Hudson Terahn. Delgado An our bullpen this could be the best pitching staff in the league for years too come Atl is known for pitching Why not be the best.
Then we could fill in 2 outfield on the cheap.

Clint

November 8th, 2012
12:57 am

Bravesfan, you’d be fine with Fowler hitting .260/.340/.380? Wow. I think you’d be in the minority.

JJ, I don’t think Ethier is the answer. As you say, he doesn’t hit lefties well. I haven’t seen him play the field enough to say how his defense is, but I take your word for it.

David O'Brien

November 8th, 2012
12:58 am

DOB – What do you think it would take to get J Upton? Think Simmons would have to be involved Realistic to make a big move like that? — BraveDough

I don’t know if that’s what it would take, but I can assure you the Braves aren’t trading Andrelton Simmons for Justin Upton.

David O'Brien

November 8th, 2012
12:59 am

Matt: No, but I have an interest in banning blog trolls such as you.

Clint

November 8th, 2012
1:01 am

DOB – What do you think of Fowler? I just don’t see him being a good fit.

Kujohn

November 8th, 2012
1:05 am

So mr OBrien Any chance. Of a big pick up Or just a couple of average fill ins I think their first choice should be Grienke (Thoughts). ? See my last 2 posts

dylan

November 8th, 2012
1:13 am

I wouldn’t go for spann. I’d much rather have Dexter Fowler from Colorado. Faster, younger, and a switch hitter. Then trade whatever pitchers or players not named medlen minor heyward prado or freeman for David Wright. Then get Michael young from Texas, include uggla in that deal, and let young play 2nd and keep martin in left.

bravo-n-knoxville

November 8th, 2012
1:14 am

If anyone was watching Hanson pitch in 2011, they would know his trade value is the lowest it’s ever been …period! If the Twins would take Tommy Hanson, Todd Campbell, and Corey Gerrin for Denard Span, jump on it Frank! As far as LF is concerned, hold serve until the Winter Meetings when some of these $$$ numbers will start to fall.

Dav

November 8th, 2012
1:17 am

Uggla isn’t going anywhere, his contract isn’t wanted by other teams. The facts are we need a speedy CF and a mighty righthand bat or switch hitler. First option Atlanta might trade Hanson and Delgado for HEADLEY to play 3rd witch would be the best trade! Second option trade Hanson and Delgado for Spann! 3rd option trade Hanson and Delgado for Willingham. Atlanta also could sign a FA like Victorino along with one of these trades. We need to sign Ross and Durbin before someone else does or we’ll need another catcher and reliever too…

dylan

November 8th, 2012
1:26 am

And yes, willingham would end up like a much less paid, slightly better Dan uggla. DOB did you just forget how he was with Oakland and Washington? 2 years for a 30 year old should not be a gold standard for his talent evaluation.

Andrelton should most definatly be untouchable, I forgot to add him to my names of people not to be in a trade for d Wright

hmmmmm..........

November 8th, 2012
1:33 am

Any chance they tender Jurrjens and trade him? DOB seems to think minnesota deal?

dylan

November 8th, 2012
1:33 am

Uggla would have to be packaged with someone like mccann or beachy for him to have good trade appeal. Al teams would be more willing, especially teams with hr parks like Texas, so uggla could play dh and they could pray for a power resurgence. Honestly I’d deal beachy and delgado, along with someone like terdo tp the mets for David wright. Braves have plenty of pitching to make up the loss and there’s no telling if beachy El be the same after the surgery.

Mccann and gilmartin should be enough to net Michael young and a top prospect or 2, then sign pierzynski to split with Ross until bethancourt or gattis (preferrably gattis) is ready

michael

November 8th, 2012
2:00 am

It’s not trading pitching that’s the issue to me. It’s Mr. Wren’s talent evaluation skills that are the question.The trade for Maholm and Johnson was the only trade in recent memory that gave the Braves a decent return. And that trade was only made because the pitcher Wren wantred didn’t want to come to the Braves. Uggla, Kawakami,Lowe,McLouth….and before Wren…J.D. Drew… Texeira…the Braves don’t seem to have a sense of how to trade their talent for useful players. The Infante trade from the Cubs was a good one. Maybe they ought to stick to those type players and not their idea of “front line players”.
They shouldn’t trade Delgado or Teheran. The idea that all pitchers develop at the same rate is not a good way to evaluate talent.
Hanson could be traded for a useful second line player. As the Giants and Cards have demonstrated, there is value in versatile and/or skill players even if they are not “top of the line talent”.
The Braves need more players along the line of Prado,Johnson, Janish or the departed Infante and less like Francisco or Uggla.

Brave Miami

November 8th, 2012
2:06 am

The Padres are NOT going to trade Headley get over it people. For CF I like victorino or Revere (if we don’t have to give up too much to get him, he looks like he has potential and is cheap). Move Prado to 3B. And we need to find a power hitter LF via trade, most likely. I’ll like to see Gattis be our back-up C while Mac is out to see if he can bat in the bigs, if he does well send him back to AAA so that he practices playing LF. Mejia and Durango could be cheap, valuable bench players we should take a look at them instead of overpaying for old, burned-out players like we did this past season. Be efficient with the $$ we have

doggiedoodoo

November 8th, 2012
5:25 am

Braves may be overrating their starting pitching. Malholm has been little more than a journeyman, Hudson is one injury from ending his career and Medlen may be a one year wonder.

BobbyDawg

November 8th, 2012
6:05 am

Let Bourn go on down the road, pick up Span, and use Johnson and Constanza when and where needed. Our pitchers are too valuable to be messing around with. Uggla is and always will be a streak hitter. When he’s hot he’s hot and when he’s not he’s not. If we’re going to start trading pitchers Hanson should be the first one out the door and leave all our young pitchers alone.

Brave New World

November 8th, 2012
6:09 am

Justin Upton, maybe. BJ Upton, NO! We have enough regulars in our line up that strike out a lot – BJ would only add to that “feast or famine” approach to hitting. Justin strikes out a fair amount, but he hits for a higher average and gets on base more often, plus, he’s only 25.

WTF

November 8th, 2012
6:20 am

You can NEVER have too much pitching.
And PLEASE don’t trade Simmons.

BobbyDawg

November 8th, 2012
6:30 am

If Wren trades Simmons he needs to have his head examined. Any team in either league would jump all over trading for Simmons, he’s the best spark plug we’ve had since Constanza made a nice showing in the 2011 season.

Notso Fast

November 8th, 2012
6:37 am

Here we go again talking about all the Braves starting pitching. Where was that pitching last year? We have many that play that position but how many can you count on?

Bravo Uno

November 8th, 2012
7:13 am

If Simmons is gone from the Braves I’ll be right behind him !

BravesFanInMaine

November 8th, 2012
7:16 am

Nice artic;e DOB always look for your columns….. Look at the braves they were the best defensive baseball team this past year and I see this team can go to the world series if the braves can acquire a bat or two…. They have great pitching, strong defense and I feel that this team can do it if we have that extra big bat…. GO BRAVES!!

puff

November 8th, 2012
7:20 am

Over-stocking pitching is a crapshoot because young pitchers are a crapshoot. A couple of years ago we all expected a rotation built around JJ and Hanson. I’m ok with spending some arms for RH bats with some power who can play their position. But a deal that sends Simmons elsewhere would just be wrong.

Think about it

November 8th, 2012
7:26 am

It’d take some onions, but trading Medlen may be the best for the team. He’s not likely to have the same success next season and his trade value is probably the highest it will ever be considering his salary and recent performance. Might be able to get better talent return. What if the Braves traded JJ at the break when he was at his peak a couple of years ago? Medlen may never fall like JJ did, but both over performed.

GoTwins

November 8th, 2012
7:27 am

Longtime Twins fan here. I watch most of the Twins games and Josh Willingham is every bit as frustrating as Dan Uggla. It seems nobody strikes out with RISP more often than JW. He does hit a lot of home runs, but it’s usually when they’re way behind and the other team’s pitcher is grooving fastballs to get the game over with. You also need a late-inning defensive replacement for JW because he makes Matt Diaz look like a Gold Glover. On the other hand, Span is a great guy on and off the field, but he is an injury waiting to happen.

Fuzzzmeister

November 8th, 2012
7:27 am

Just get someone that can put the ball in play—– Hit the thing at least—- guys our pitching ain’t so great. Between bourn and ugly we had a gazillion strikeouts and that don’t include mac’s geez. let them all go and get someone that can HIT the BALL.

fan

November 8th, 2012
7:39 am

Why go after Span for 2 years. Let’s get the real prize of Revere. He would be under our control for a long time. He has a great average and more base stealing potential. He is also a home town boy.

Chief Knock-A-Homa

November 8th, 2012
7:41 am

DOB – seems like a familiar scenario setting up for the Braves with the release of Jason Bay from the Mets… With the Mets paying his salary out, and with his down time in NY, looks like Bay is going to be had on the cheap for someone willing to take a flyer on him…

Usually the type of situation the Braves jump into…

Gotta say it kind of intrigues me, if the contract is cheap enough… If he is healthy, Bay could be a surprise pick up that renews his power numbers…

Thoughts??

Humbug

November 8th, 2012
7:44 am

Why do we need Wren ? There are plenty of experts on this blog to bring on an unbeaten season. The only problem is they can’t agree about who we should trade or who we should go after. Wren does not have their expertise but he is the only one who can put any action in place. That’s why we need him.

Here We Go Braves

November 8th, 2012
7:48 am

DOB, why haven’t you mentioned…

Hamilton…Josh Hamilton…he’d draw fans and be the solid right handed hitter the lineup needs! Get him signed! Add a value CF/LF (do not over pay for anyone!) depending how where Josh plays. Span in CF with Josh in LF works for me!

Chief Knock-A-Homa

November 8th, 2012
7:51 am

Sign Bay for LF, trade for Upton and put him in CF, or keep him in right and move Heyward to CF… Prado to third and here’s a pretty decent lineup if Bay returns to even a little bit of the player he is:

CF Upton
3B Prado
C McCann
1B Freeman
RF Hayward
2B Uggla
LF Bay
SS Simmons
P

BravesFanSince80s

November 8th, 2012
7:52 am

I think we already have our quota for banged up, declining, under-performing, “clubhouse” players, no to Jason Bay….

Peter

November 8th, 2012
8:00 am

Really does anyone here BELIEVE in Fran Wren ? I am sure he will over pay for a player that will continue to build a softball type line up.

He may even trade away our best pitching prospect as that has been the case in the past.

Take me South

November 8th, 2012
8:02 am

What about trading pitching for David Wright whom the Mets will not resign and will be a FA. He would make a perfect replacement for Chipper.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jacks BBQ

November 8th, 2012
8:05 am

Nice blog DOB. Thanks for the update. A lot of interesting possibilities out there.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jacks BBQ

November 8th, 2012
8:05 am

Nice blog DOB. Thanks for the update. A lot of interesting possibilities out there.

Homer the Brave

November 8th, 2012
8:17 am

Wren assured us he’s not shopping at Walmart anymore. But he’s not shopping at Bloomingdales either.

Blk Ppl

November 8th, 2012
8:18 am

Hey yo – get both Uptons to shore da OF. Then da Braves be havin’ and all black OF yo! Only one in da league!!!

Jack Clompus

November 8th, 2012
8:31 am

Simmons is untouchable. If he’s not, there’s no hope for the organization. You can build around guys like this, just as the Cards did with Ozzie Smith. We don’t need a bunch of fat FAs and drug addicts. We need defense behind the plate………….

VinceVanGo

November 8th, 2012
8:37 am

If the Braves aren’t going to convert Ernesto Meija to outfield then he would be a perfect trade chip for a team looking for a 1st baseman. He’s been a force each of the last two years in the minors, is blocked by Freeman, and could help be a piece in a deal to net a ever day outfielder. Better to trade him than let him waste away in the minor’s. He’s hit his peak and is at his most value right now.

Falos Han

November 8th, 2012
8:39 am

How about dealing for someone like Mark Trumbo? Second in AL ROY in 2011, AS in 2012. Big power and could capably man LF. Big slump in second half of last season due to nagging injury. If Torii Hunter doesn’t re-sign with the Angels (doesn’t look like it, but depending on how the winter breaks down, who knows?), Trumbo could be dealt for pitching, which the Angels could need after letting Dan Haren go, trading Ervin Santana, and possibly losing Greinke to free agency.

sirluciouscp

November 8th, 2012
8:39 am

If the braves trade A. Simmons for anyone, ill never watch them again because they’re led by morons.

Rick C

November 8th, 2012
8:41 am

Here We Go Braves, Hamilton hits and throws left handed.

Chief Knock-A-Homa, there’s no reason for the Braves to settle for someone like Bay. They have enough freed up cash to go after someone better.

Dirty Harold

November 8th, 2012
8:43 am

And now for something completely different…. I heard from a friend who works as an ER nurse that Tim Hudson and his father fell out of a deer stand. Apparently Tim injured his glove hand and his father was also injured. I’m not sure I believe this… anyone heard anything about this?

Hardhat

November 8th, 2012
8:46 am

I think everyone agrees this is Uggla’s last year if he doesn’t produce. I can’t belive the Rockies dont want him. His swing would be faster in that air. For a guy who walks alot the strike outs puzzle me. I know watch him swing but strange. Uggla is among league leaders in pitches seen per AB. So it is not like he is not seeing pitches.
Yes strongly agree Boras is the devil ! Hanson is gone. Sorry to see that had such high hopes. And speaking of high what is with the Jordon Schaffer thing? Does Gwinnett need an everday CF. I know he is faster than Hinske and the way EH slumped I guess his BA (Schaffer) is higher. Can Scaffer compete and help the Braves?
Now this might sound crazy but this is a team and Prado if Wren finds a better 3rd baseman then LF guess what you stay in left. Unless you want Scaffer out there or Tyler Pastornickyin left field. We will see if the Pastornicky experiment comes to fruition. I think Pastornickyin will be able to hit big league pitching. The Braves have Gaint(s) size holes to fix if they want to compete. Yes pun intended.
Lets go Wren work some magic.

PascalsGhost

November 8th, 2012
9:07 am

Trade Hanson before his arm falls off. Headley would be great but don’t think he is available. In fact San Diego are moving their fences in to accomodate him and a few others.Forget Bourn. With Boras as agent he will be too pricey. The Twins centerfielder would be best bet for now. Jasaon Bay is 34 and can’t hit. Upton would be a clubhouse cancer.

Trade JJ, Hanson & Uggla

November 8th, 2012
9:08 am

It sure would be nice to never have to see JJ, Hanson, or Uggla in a Braves uniform again…..and while we are at it, see if we can get a bag of bats and balls for that worthless so-called manager we have…it would be nice not to have to ever see him in a Braves uniform again.

Idiots

November 8th, 2012
9:12 am

It amuses me the talk on this board. How does Simmons’ name even come up? And Mark Trumbo? Josh Hamilton? Idiots.

Sam

November 8th, 2012
9:18 am

I think Simmons is going to be a good player, but what has he shown in half a year that makes him untouchable?

I get so tired of hearing about HOT minor league prospects. They are in the minors and have yet to prove that they can play at the major league level. It’s insane not to trade them, if you can, for elite major league players/All Stars. (I’m stealing this rant from Colin Cowherd – who you can no longer hear on 680 The Fan)

Justin Upton would look mighty good the next 3 years playing LF and batting 4th or 5th for the Braves.

JNick

November 8th, 2012
9:18 am

…in addition to his Home/Road splits, Fowler is also one of the worst (if not the worst) defensive CF in MLB today…

The hole in Uggla'a bat

November 8th, 2012
9:23 am

Willingham is not the answer. He is one of those guys that gets his numbers playing in front of no one in games that do not matter. He can join the Francouer, Dimitri Young, Mark Grudazalanek club and go bat .300 in KC where no one cares. Those guys get put in pressure situations and fold. The game is changing and we need guys in line up that will make contact, hit to right field, bunt, play good defense. The game is going back to where it was in 80’s b4 steroids. We have too many 3 run home run guys that strikeout.Cant afford to pay Josh Hamilton 20 million in 2017-2019 when he is late 30’s and not producing. Need leadoff guy that can run (Span) and guys that can cover OF. I would almost take a hit and unload Uggla. Go get a Scutaro or someone that can field position and not strikeout or pop up everytime. Paying someone else to have Uggla would be worth it IMO. He is not going to get any better.

JPopNC

November 8th, 2012
9:24 am

I like the idea of Span and Willingham. It really shores up the outfield and provides hitting consistancy.

As for Uggla, despite his bad recent bad season the guy is a tremendous presence in the dugout and with the team leader gone, we’ll need someone to step up and fill those big shoes. Uggla has great team spirit and doesn’t let things get him down and that’s crucial for a team. I’m for giving him another chance.

P Rose

November 8th, 2012
9:26 am

Yeah but can Denard Span hit when he doesn’t have the stadium officials opening the air vents when he bats?

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