10:18 pm November 7, 2012, by David O'Brien
The hole in Uggla'a bat
November 8th, 20129:28 am
DOB, Can MLB trade Bud Selig this winter?
November 8th, 20129:29 am
Hey “Idiots”, how is trading for Mark Trumbo idiocy? 32 HRs, low salary, and could be available at the right price. It’s hot stove season and it’s just talk.
Bring the Lumber
November 8th, 20129:30 am
Well seeing that the write-up says AZ is looking for a major league readt SS or 3B we would have to trade Prado or Simmons. I don’t think they mean Janish or TP, but I hope we can swing something for Upton, he would be a perfect fit in the Braves line-up! I would love to get Span as well!! But to the guys saying get both Upton brothers that would leave us with no lead off man.
November 8th, 20129:31 am
Sam, he’s shown that he’s already one of the best shortstops in the ML. Despite only playing 49 games, he was second among all MLB SS with 19 defensive runs saved. Also trading him just creates another hole to fill.
November 8th, 20129:32 am
lived in Tampa for last ten years we don’t want BJ Upton, decent power, low OBP and moody.
November 8th, 20129:37 am
Falos Han. You kind of just answered your own question. He’s not available because he’s cheap and putting up numbers.
November 8th, 20129:38 am
VinceVanGo…”If the Braves aren’t going to convert Ernesto Meija to outfield then he would be a perfect trade chip for a team looking for a 1st baseman.”
You mean a AAA team looking for a 1st baseman?
November 8th, 20129:42 am
It depends who the Braves could offer. It’s a give and a take…Angels have the funds to acquire free agents, but pitching is always at a premium. If they strike out on Greinke, Sanchez, Lohse or others, they don’t have the talent in the farm to promote to the starting rotation. Outfielders are much easier to replace than pitchers, so deal from a strength to replenish the rotation. I like Trumbo and I get your point about affordable players, but the Angels with the mostly the same offense but with quite a bit less pitching is a worse edition of 2012 and is not acceptable to the owner or GM.
November 8th, 20129:46 am
OK Falos Han, you’re really cracking me up, but I think you can actually cause my spleen to rupture laughing so hard if you can give me your idea of what the Braves should offer for Trumbo.
November 8th, 20129:51 am
I don’t think the Braves are any worse off with Span than they would be with Bourn or Pagan.
Span did have 38 doubles in only 128 games last year. Best of all, he only had 62 k’s. That would be refreshing to see our leadoff hitter make consistent contact. I don’t care if he gets out every time, I’d rather see that than another leadoff hitter with 150 k’s. And there’s only $11m invested in him over the next 2 seasons. The buyout for the 2015 team option is cheap too, only $500k.
I’m sold. Where do I sign?
November 8th, 20129:52 am
I think he is good, but I am not buying into your assessment that he is one of the best SS in the game already. Very good, but not at the level you guys are making him out to be.
November 8th, 20129:53 am
Why would the Angels want to trade Trumbo? The Angels would want to keep him for the very same reasons you guys want the Braves to acquire him.
November 8th, 20129:56 am
lets trade Medlin, just in case he is a one hit wonder, and JHey, just in case he has a 2nd sophmore slump.Trade Huddy, in case he gets hurt. Better trade Prado too, Fredi does not know where to play him. Geeez….I am the greatest GM ever!!!
Trade Hanson and and some minor leaguer for Willingham and Span. Done. Perfect deal for the economical situation for the Braves. Just because they have all this payroll coming off the books doesn’t mean you load up on Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami. Use the money to sign Kimbrel, Medlen, Freeman, Heyward, Prado, Minor and Beachy long term.
November 8th, 20129:57 am
Hanson (I’m sure most Braves fans want him to go and his salary will go up next year), Teheran, and Gilmartin.
Let’s trade Medlin in case he’s a one-hit wonder? OMG. Look at his numbers before he got hurt. He’s not a one-hit wonder. Jesus, please shut up.
November 8th, 20129:58 am
Sam, the defensive stats support the argument. He also won defensive player of the month his first month in the majors.
Idiots, that’s an incredibly unrealistic trade scenario. Will probably take more than that to even just get Willingham or Span.
Yup Falos Han, spleen is ruptured. The Angels will gladly give us Trumbo for Hanson, Teheran and Gilmartin. Unbelievable. Thanks for the laugh.
November 8th, 201210:00 am
You think the Twins will deal Willingham and Span for Hanson a minor leaguer and you call me the idiot? Willingham and Span combined for 7 WAR last year while Hanson was a game below replacement average. Brother, your credibility is shot.
November 8th, 201210:03 am
Why not try and get Ben Revere from MIN instead of Denard Span. Why do we have to settle for the guy they would want to get rid of instead of trying to get the younger and better player. Plus Revere is from Atlanta. No to Span, Yes to Revere!
November 8th, 201210:06 am
It’s more realistic than your idea the Angels will give away Trumbo for Hanson.
November 8th, 201210:10 am
It’s Hanson plus two good young pitchers that the Braves don’t necessarily need. Trumbo was worth less WAR in 2012 than Josh Willingham, which you had going with a 4+ WAR player (Span) straight up for Hanson and an unnamed minor leaguer. Come on, man!
November 8th, 201210:13 am
“figures that Atlanta would probably be reluctant to pay for a 30-year-old whose greatest asset is speed”
Every time this phrase is included in a story-and it has been in at least 4 by my count- there is a little less credibility to the point. First, Bourne is a gold glove center fielder-spped is an asset but skill and experience count jst as much. Second, Bourne is a quaility lead of hitter;again,spped is an asset but skill is just as important.
The continued use of the phrase sounds like it was created by Braves management as an excuse to not sign . Or maybe Bourne has decided he doesn’t want to play for the Atlanta deer hunting, Hooter’s waitress loving, snuff dipping organization AKA the Braves
November 8th, 201210:16 am
i would think simmons IS in fact untouchable. even if his hitting isn’t as good as it was this year, the glove and the arm are something we haven’t seen in a while. it’s like having yunel sans the crappy attitude. gilmartin should be pretty untouchable too i imagine. we could use another southpaw, and he is billed as being at least good as minor. we should deal hanson and JJ for a chicken sandwich. my dad wants us to get frenchy back…….but only to have the opposite OF described eloquently at 8:18.
josh hamilton? holy crap, he would be making twice uggla’s salary. he is one of my favorite players, but the risk is just not worth it. what happens when you have to pay 25 million for a guy that just hit the wall and broke a hip? any player comes with risks, but the risks on this are probably too much for liberty media.
November 8th, 201210:17 am
BOB, history has shown that speed does not age as well as some other skills such as power. Bourn plays great defense, but a big reason why is his speed. He also already does not make great contact for a lead off hitter, so you can probably expect his AVG and OBP to drop as he ages. I’d love to have him back, but probably not at the AAV and years he’s going to be able to get.
November 8th, 201210:20 am
The Braves are NOT trading Simmons. He is the anchor of our defense up the middle. A future all-star and gold glove SS. Guys like him don’t come along often. He’s really young and not even filled out physically. He’ll be a foul line to foul line hitter with good gap power like Jeter. We need more contact hitters and less strike outs and we’ll be better with RISP next year. This team is on the brink of greatness. I’m excited about the potential moves this offseason.
Wren has already made it clear he wants the team to be more athletic and younger. Yes Josh Hamilton would put people in seats but winning baseball will too. If the Braves can put the ball in play with line drive hitters they will score enough runs with the pitching and defense we have. He’ll have a solid defender in CF before spring and a good bat in LF. Make it happen Frank..
November 8th, 201210:25 am
If Willingham is another Uggla lok for Frank to make the deal. He knows how to get the losers on the Brave team. Besides that he’ll give up some quality pitching that he doesn’t want.
I think it’s pretty obvious, Wren needs a big move to replace a HOF leaving.
We’re about to save a fortune on trading extra pitching to pick up Span to replace Bourn. We have our lead-off, we have a good contract, he may not be the same tier of player but his numbers are just fine.
If we move Prado to 3B and you open up with Span/Prado we still need a #3 hitter. Should have been Uggla by now, but it’s not. Should have been McCann, but it’s not. Is Heyward ready for that spot, probably alright with a Heyward/Freeman combo for the next 10 years.
However, Wren is cooking up a stew and he’s not going out without a splash, he knows we have pitching. What we don’t have is a serious thumper at the plate.
CF – Span
3B – Prado
RF – Heyward
LF – Hamilton
1B – Freeman
c – McCann
2B – Uggla
SS – Simmons
P – Medlen
We saved all that money on Chipper, not signing Bourn, we dump Hanson onto Minnesota (with another pitcher to get Span) and dump the money on a true home run hitter. It’s a gamble, so you make sure to Gattis ready for LF duty when Josh misses time. It’s a gamble Braves fans will love when we have a 40+ HR hitter. It’s the polar opposite of riding the HOF Chipper tour. It may produce runs in the post-season however.
I like the gamble.
Can everyone please shut up about Simmons? I have no idea how or why his name is prevalent on this thread.
November 8th, 201210:30 am
Exactly…… Simmons is going NOWHERE!
November 8th, 201210:31 am
Span seems like a win win for us and the Twins. Would be nice to get Upton, but I’m definitely not giving up Simmons. Can’t fill a hole by opening up another.
November 8th, 201210:34 am
When talking about Teheran/Delgado/Gilmartin we should more realistically note that:
Delgado > Teheran >> Gilmartin
Gilmartin is not a major piece in any trade for someone like Span or Wilingham, just a possible throw-in.
Beachy may come off the DL sometime around the All Star game next year, but the history of recuperations from Tommy John surgery suggests he will not be back to his pre-operation form until 2014. He will not be a top of the rotation starter next year and probably not better than Delgado.
I would much rather trade Teheran and someone like Hanson/Gilmartin or Cunningham to the Twins for Span and sign Hunter to play left field. There is not enough pitching depth for 2 big trades and Gattis might be capable of putting up similar numbers to Willingham at a much lower cost. The first priority for the Braves should be signing their core young players through arbitration into the first year or two of free agency. Once that is done use the money left over to add a left fielder.
The starting rotation has the following red flags for 2013:
1. Beachy will not be the real Beachy before 2014
2. Medlen has never pitched more than 130 innings in his career. He will either experience fatigue or require more rest in the last 2 months of the season
3. Hanson has lost speed on his fastball and is a big question mark as to how effective he will be and whether he is cfapable of lasting 6 or more innings in the majority of his starts.
Delgado haqs shown a lot of promise in most of his appearances in MLB and figures to be an important contributor to the rotation in 2013 ande beyond. He is much more than a placeholder for Beachy in 2013 and an equivalent to Hanson.
November 8th, 201210:36 am
Fols, I don’t think Uggla or McCann were ever supposed to be the #3 hitter. I think Heyward is best for that role with his combination of speed and power.
November 8th, 201210:41 am
@jim I disagree about Gilmartin being a “throw in”. He’s a former top pick who has progressed well through the minors, plus he’s a lefty.
Chipper is a HOF player, but not based upon the stats he accumulated over the last 3 years. We are not replacing the 1999 Chipper or even the guy who led the league in hitting 4 years ago.
November 8th, 201210:48 am
Any chance they tender Jurrjens and trade him? DOB seems to think minnesota deal? — hmmm
No. At least not as principle part of any deal.
Braves aren’t going to tender a pitcher who’s done what Jurrjens has done the past two seasons and would make about $7 million or more through arbitration, unless they’re sure he can be dealt. Because there’s almost no way they could then trade him without eating part of that salary.
Trading him alone, they’d get nothing in return, just dump a few million of the salary. Which would entirely defeat the purpose of tendering him to begin with.
Now, if he was part of a bigger deal, it’s possible. But even then, I think they’d have to eat part of JJ’s salary.
I think he’ll be non-tendered. But all I’m certain of is, he won’t be on the Braves roster at his arb-set salary.
November 8th, 201210:54 am
Keep on acquireing high strike out hitters – and you will keep on failing at crunch time.
November 8th, 201210:55 am
Keep pressing the submit comment button – and you will keep posting the same thing.
64 year Ct. Braves fan
November 8th, 201211:04 am
I agree with Wag
November 8th, 201211:10 am
idiots..i was being sarcastic…
November 8th, 201211:30 am
Well Dwayne, you did a pretty good job of blending in with this board. As you’ve already read dumber ideas from idiots who were being serious.
November 8th, 201211:34 am
I still believe there is another $13 Million in salary room the Braves aren’t talking about publicly because they could trade McCann to an AL team and solve our LF, CF or 3B problem. Could be a salary swap with a player that can help us now or a salary dump and prospects to help us later.
If Wren trades McCann for a LF, CF or 3B that’s $13 Million dollars that doesn’t have to come out of the $25 Million that are already freed up to spend on next year. So in essence he has $38 Million to play with if he can find a taker in the AL that wants Brian McCann over the long run. Seems inevitable that he will end up leaving Atlanta as sad as that is on a personal level because he profiles to be a part time catcher/DH as he ages.
November 8th, 201211:43 am
If Teheran and Delgado aren’t ready to step up and be front line pitchers this year then they never be. I say Delgado is certainly ready but Teheran is only about a 50/50 chance of ever living up to his hype therefore if I were going to trade pitching for a position player I would try first to move Teheran and Hanson and not trade Delgado unless it involved a blockbuster deal. I believe Delgado is the real deal and a future Cy Young winner, will be better than Minor for sure.
November 8th, 201211:44 am
@BravesFaninNashville You have got to be kidding. You are with out a catcher. Sign Ross Keep Mccann. Sign Swisher and victorino. Move Prado to third. Heyward to left. Let’s play baseball. Go Braves
Jo Jo Reyes was a high pick who progressed through the minors and was lefty too, and he was judged to have a higher ceiling than Gilmartin is judged to have right now. If you are trying to aquire someone like Span, Willingham, Upton, or whoever with pitching, you would not be able to substitute Gilmartin for Delgado or Teheran and still make the deal.
November 8th, 201211:45 am
Hope something happens soon. Dob, I thought now that teams know what they will have to surrender to sign free agents, that stuff would be happening by now? All I know is I am bored with the baseball off season.
Future Braves GM
November 8th, 201211:46 am
The people that like Headley and Pagan so much have a short term memory because they were not that great before last year. You would be buying high and probably overpaying (in $’s for Pagan and players in trade for Headley). I like the Span idea but there are much better choices in FA for a CF lead off man than for a right handed hitting LF. It makes more sense to sign a FA like Victorino who is likely to have a bounce-back year for fairly cheap (cheaper than Pagan and much cheaper than Bourn) and then trade for a RH corner OF such as Justin Upton. DOB, What do you think of a package of Nick Ahmed (SS), Joey Terdoslavich (3B) and one of our top SP prospects (Gilmartin, Delgado, or Teheran)
Lets trade Tommy “mmMMM BOP” Hanson! It would be the best thing he ever did for us! I hope we don’t get a steaming hot round of Wren’s dumpster diving special this offseason. Lets make a couple bold moves and prove that we want to win this thing. Pick up a couple quality guys, and give them Hanson plus another young arm for a couple game changers.
November 8th, 201211:49 am
With all the young talent that we have, we need to make a move within the next 2,3 years to win it all before our window closes. The longer we wait, the more expensive Heyward, Freeman, Beachy, and Kimbrel are going to be for us. Next season is the best chance we’re going to have for a LONG time to take it all home. Chipper’s money and Lowe’s money are off the books now we can afford to spend a few bucks on some real talent.
Lets do it. Time to un-pinch those pennies Mr. Frank Wren!
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November 8th, 201211:54 am
If I was Wren and since we know the Braves will go the cheapest route possible. I would go hard after Pagan. If you get Pagan, you trade Hanson to the rockies for Chris Nelson at 3b and leave Prado in left field. All your problems solved.
I would also strongly consider trading Uggla, but that’s just me.
November 8th, 201211:55 am
I agree there was another $13 mil there but they blew that when they pick up Blind Mac’s option. I think it would be very hard to trade anyone with that salary coming off major surgery who has not played well the past two seasons and will be a free agent at the end of the season, they should not have picked up his option, big mistake.
November 8th, 201211:58 am
You could also trade Hanson for Span. Sign Hamilton to play left and move Prado to third.
Homer the Brave
November 8th, 201212:00 pm
I think it would be a good idea to leave Prado in LF for next season and trade for an inexpensive player to play 3B like Daniel Descalso or Ryan Roberts. Either one of them can platoon with Fransisco next year. That would save us money that could be used to sign Bourn. It would also clear the way for either Todd Cunningham or Jordan Parraz to take over LF in 2014 and Prado could move to 3B then. The danger of signing someone like Nick Swisher or Cody Ross to a multi-year contract to play LF is that it blocks our minor league prospects from progressing to the majors.
November 8th, 201212:03 pm
Since we have some money to spend why not spend some of it by trading Uggla.
Let’s face it, the Braves will have another $12 mil off the books next year when BMac leaves. He is already the 2nd highest paid catcher in baseball and at age 30 for his new contract, he really doesn’t fit the national league anymore. I love BMac, but he isn’t going to get anywhere near Mauer type money from anyone. He should get some nice offers from AL teams that want him to catch now and let him DH more to preserve him as he gets older. Guy can hit with the best of them.
Amber Girl: Ross is the “best BACKUP catcher in baseball”. He thrives in that role because he isn’t exactly a young buck who can play every single day. He has even said that he doesn’t want to be a starter. We can’t have him catch every game. I hope we re-sign him as our backup though he’s pretty good when the starter needs a break or gets hurt.
McCann makes me nervous because he’s ALWAYS hurt. Now he’s had surgery. Always something with that powder puff. Word is if someone breathes on him too hard he breaks and cries. Wish we had a strong tough reliable catcher, not a glass ballerina. I was hoping we would let
November 8th, 201212:12 pm
I was hopeful the Braves would get Willingham last year. I believe they should take a look at Jonny Gomes as well. Both of these players are in their 30s, but it’s a good start for a few years until the farm system can develop some more talent in the OF. Speaking of the minors, I’m also very surprised the Braves didn’t bring up “Dodge” Durango. In the few games I saw at Gwinnett, they batted him first & Constanza second, & that kid can really fly.
November 8th, 201212:15 pm
Amber Girl, Heyward just won a GG playing RF. He’s not moving anywhere.
Richam, Hanson for Span straight up is not gonna happen. That’s basically nothing for Span.
Get Ben!..Ben Rever best bet!
Amber how is Whiskey River?
Amber Girl…. Love your posts in the past and have agreed with you many times but there are lot’s of available catchers out there. I believe the Braves will sign Ross and I also believe McCann will NOT finish his career as a Brave because he needs to be at least a part time DH to maximize his value and lengthen his career. The only other possible time for the Braves to get a return before losing him to Free Agency is the trade deadline next July. If they get any offers from an AL team now I think they should take a sure thing vs gamble that he’ll be healthy enough to increase his value by July. I don’t think he’s a long term gamble because he will eventually heal and be productive again the question to me is how soon?
His body type does not project to weather the catching position very long and he already has one knee giving him problems. His weight won’t help that get better. Freeing up the $13 Million on the books to me does more to help the Braves then keeping McCann and hoping for the best. The Braves have a 1 year window on Brian where as an AL team that trades for him would have a multi year benefit of having a DH that can spell the starting catcher and catch 2 to 3 games a week.
November 8th, 201212:19 pm
please, please, PLEASE do not sign Michael Bourn to an over-priced, BAD CONTRACT! Amber Girl, if we rely on Brian McCann to catch the majority of games next season that means we are STILL without a catcher, no, no ,no, no to Nick Swisher, low OBP high SO ratio, yet another Ugly Dan black hole in our lineup with an occassional “blind hog” home run. We have got to shift to small ball like so many clubs are doing. No more downtown league softball lineups…
November 8th, 201212:20 pm
I agree with you Teddy B on Ross. Sign him as backup. There is nobody out there better than Mccann. You would have to trade. No one is going to trade front line catcher. If I am wrong please explain. Still trying to learn. You probably know more than me so help me out here. I still say sign Swisher, Victorino and David Ross and let’s not worry anymore. Let’s play baseball.
November 8th, 201212:22 pm
@jbill If you paid attention you would know that Whiskey River is deceased. Go Braves!!!
November 8th, 201212:23 pm
If the Braves use the $25 Million wisely and also trade McCann they can put enough bats in the line-up to make the catcher position a defense first priority. This cuts down on runs scored by limiting stolen bases and passed balls. That means the offense needs to score less runs. It also takes more pressure off pitchers because there are less runners in scoring position due to stolen bases and passed balls. Pitching and defense wins. Teams must be solid up the middle defensively and that starts with catcher and SS because they see more plays than anyone else.
This really worries me, I do not see Wren making a good trade at all.
He’s going back to talking to the media about his intentions, that didn’t work out so well in the past when he let the media know too much.
Also, I believe he’s too nice. He definitely did not learn any schrewdness from Schuerholtz. And let’s just say that Span and Willingham are dealt here. They will not make this team any better. Span is worse than Bourn and Willingham is a good player, but not a great player.
Wren said last month that “we just have to replace Chipper”. That’s impossible, Chipper was the best hitter on the team. He took the best approach, pitchers were still afraid to pitch to him last season, even though he wasn’t in his prime. You can’t just replace the heart and soul of your lineup.
Josh Willingham would not come close to doing that, they only player out there available that might be able to is Josh Hamilton and the Braves won’t pay him. Also, Willingham is very injury-prone, he had 1 good season and the Twins are very schrewd, they will use that and-figuratively-hang Wren upside down and shake his pockets until everything is taken from him if they do trade him.
Going back to Span, DOB pointed out stats that make him look like so much better of a player than he actually is. His career Batting Average is so front loaded from the first year and a half in the big leagues before pitchers figured out his weaknesses and since then, his average has dropped pretty significantly. Also, even his stolen base numbers are misleading. If you look at his Net Stolen Bases over the past 3 season, he’s swiped less than 20 bags. Even still, 23 steals per season is very mediocre for a leadoff hitter. He will not cause much if any havok on opposing teams defense’s like Furcal and Bourn did.
Also when a team is so eager to trade a player, that is NEVER a good sign. I remember how much the Yankees tried and tried to trade Melky Cabrera, and who took the bait on that?? Everything they said about him turned out to be completely bogus. He wasn’t a “clutch” hitter, he wasn’t good in the clubhouse and he was exposed for what he really was, a backup OF. The dude had to cheat to be productive.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. This is going to be a very disappointing offseason. The Braves brass will be exposed and we are going to have to suffer with the frustrations of losing our top minor leaguers for poor returns and we also going to be given a team to watch that will have virtually no chance of making the playoffs next year and have Absolutely NO CHANCE at winning the division. They cannot compete with Washington, they couldn’t last year either….plus, Washington is only going to keep improving their already young, impressive division winning team this offseason and the Braves, well will not. Washington’s focus is winning a World Chapionship. The Braves focus is staying within budget.
I’m sure that everyone on here will say that I’m being negative and that’s fine. I can handle all the smack talk and insults everyone will throw my way. But those things will not change the fact that what I’m posting is reality, plain and simple. The truth hurts. I know as Braves fans, many of us are very passionate about the team (I am and it’s probably why my posts are so negative, they are that way because it does really piss me off that we don’t have a true owner, one that actually cares about winning, and not about only how much money they make) and want to see a winning product put on the field. We all know that’s not going to happen, but hope it won’t. I’m one of the few that writes about the fact that the Braves will not be putting together a team that has any chance of a winning a championship. And things will stay this way and probably get worse. Let’s face the facts: Corporate ownership (which is the absolute worst), an awful TV deal, no new stadium to be built anytime soon, a mediocre General Manager. All of these facts point to one thing: A middle-of-the-pack team. Nothing will change until this team is sold to someone who cares about baseball, about winning.
I’ll always be a Braves fan, even though I hate the fact they have have killed all of the momentum this team had in the 90’s and early 2000’s and ripped out it’s soul. The day “America’s Team” died was the day that AOL became the teams owner. Nothing good has happened since then, nothing.
It is sad, but true.
Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade,
Prado at third, Fowler in center, Heyward in right…with Reed Johnson and whoever kills it in spring training out in left (hopefully Evan Gattis)…
November 8th, 201212:32 pm
Patrick, I’m not sure what stats you are looking at on Span. Yes, he hit 294 in his first year in the ML, but then he still hit 311 in his first full season. He only hit 264 the next two years, but he hit 283 this year, which is only one point below his career AVG. He does not SLG as high as Bourn or steal as many bags, but he SOs a lot less and has a better OBP. He’s also a couple years younger and has a very favorable contract. If the Braves get their CF through the trade market, he’d definitely be my first choice.
November 8th, 201212:33 pm
Teddy B., where do you get off thinking McCann’s a powder puff? Two injuries does not exactly add up to health problems. You must have been a Chipper hater too. McCann is probably one of the toughest guys on the team. Anyone will tell you that playing catcher is the toughest position out there & McCann has not only been doing it well, but putting up better numbers offensively his entire career.
November 8th, 201212:34 pm
Patrick, I hope you don’t expect anyone to read that.
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November 8th, 201212:36 pm
[...] -Atlanta could trade pitching for hitting holes, with Minnesota’s Denard Span as a possible target. Josh Willingham could also be possible. B.J. Upton and Shane Victorino are also options, with Angel Pagan likely going back to the Giants. [...]
November 8th, 201212:38 pm
And Patrick, if you want to claim the Braves are not going to be competitive next year with the players they may be targeting, then you should at least suggest some players you think they should pursue.
Amber Girl sorry to hear about Whiskey River..I’ve been out awhile with Yogi Berra who found out in August he had lung Cancer and died in late Sept. He was a friend of Whiskey also on blog and great Braves fan. (reason not paying attention)
Hope you are doing well and prayers for Whiskey’s family. RIP.
Hey I got a good one, how ’bout after making a reasonable trade with Colorado for Fowler, we pull off a blockbuster with the Mets where we send Uggla, Hanson, Francisco, and how ever many prospects it takes to get back David Wright and Jason Bay! Then keep Johnson as insurance in LF, and if Bay totally tanks as he well may, we have Gattis in AAA warming up! It’ll never happen, but that would be fun to watch play out and then Prado can go be a perennial all-star at 2B for the next several years:)
November 8th, 201212:40 pm
Thanks everyone for your help. Schooltime Catch you later
November 8th, 201212:42 pm
I read it. We can all find something else to watch next year, find some other team to support. All hope is gone. Patrick has issued his divine proclamations that there is virtually no hope of the team making the playoffs next year and that the Braves will be a mediocre team going forward.
November 8th, 201212:44 pm
How did you like Omar Infante for Dan Uggla?
How did you like Mark Teixeira for Casey Kotchman?
How did you like Rafael Soriano for Jesse Chavez?
If you liked the value we got back in those trades, I think I got a blockbuster trade in the works.
Stay tuned !
November 8th, 201212:45 pm
TB, I wouldn’t use the words “powder puff”, but “dough boy” come to mind. To date: he has a chronic eyesight problem, stays at least 20lbs overweight, if not more, has chronic tendinitis in at least one knee, now a patchwork quilt for a throwing shoulder and is an oblique strain waiting to happen on a daily basis…
November 8th, 201212:46 pm
Bay is free agent but not worth a crap….
November 8th, 201212:49 pm
BravesFanSince80s, for the millionth time, Uggla’s not going anywhere. And taking a risk on someone like Bay, with your fallback plan being a guy who’s barely played above A ball, is just not smart at at all.
On McCann, he’s stayed mostly healthy for his career until the last year and a half. Eye site problems aren’t exactly an issue of wear on the body either. He’s also been able to stay healthy while playing the most physically demanding position and putting up the best offensive numbers out of anyone playing it in that time. And when he is injured, he tries to play through it.
November 8th, 201212:50 pm
I’m sure that everyone on here will say that I’m being negative and that’s fine. – Patrick (12:23 p.m.)
Negative? You? No way.
November 8th, 201212:53 pm
jim – I would much rather trade Teheran and someone like Hanson/Gilmartin or Cunningham to the Twins for Span and sign Hunter to play left field. There is not enough pitching depth for 2 big trades and Gattis might be capable of putting up similar numbers to Willingham at a much lower cost.
I agree with your proposal and would not be unhappy with Span in CF and Hunter in LF. I definitely feel we will do one trade and one free agent signing for those positions. The Braves and Twins align nicely regarding a possible trade. I also feel the Braves’ brass will look to a short-term solution in LF in the hopes that Gattis will develop.
Hopefully, we will have enough $$ to sign Reed Johnson and otherwise fortify our bench.
November 8th, 201212:54 pm
I think the trade scenario was pretty obviously not something I think will or should happen dude, get over yourself. McCann is fat and slow, and these days at least, banged up almost all the time, deal with it…
agree DOB on Patrick..he didn’t rain on my Parade.
November 8th, 201212:55 pm
I saw reported that the royals are willling to trade young position players to get starting pitching. Any chance the Braves could pry away Mousatkas? He’s young plays 3rd but he’s a lefty.
Mark (another one)
November 8th, 20121:01 pm
It takes value to get value. All of you that want to trade a non-preforming player for a star need to get over it. No GM is going to send a gift to the Braves.
The Spann trade idea is interesting and I think he is a good replacement for Bourn with a reasonable salary. Paying $15 million per year in a long term contract for Bourn is a mistake. He is fast and plays good defense but there are less expensive options with less risk. Bourn’s game is speed and leg injuries to 30+ year old outfielders are not uncommon. Plus he will simply slow down with age, wear and tear.
I think Prado at 3rd has all-star written all over it. He is great in the infield, hits for average and has good power. He is also the heart of this ballclub and leads by example. With Spann in CF, that would leave the Braves with a financial war chest to go for some LF, right handed power.
Constanza has so far not shown to me that he belongs on our bench. He strikes out about a third of the time and rarely hits for more than a single. His slash line for 2012 was 250/321/276. He is also not that sharp in the outfield. His career is 281/332/341. He’s also 29.
Schafer is 26 with a career 221/305/301 so I don’t see him as much from an offensive standpoint but his defense is better.
JOhnson is 284/340/411. I’d play that and keep looking.
November 8th, 20121:03 pm
I agree with you. KC does have young position players that could help our cause, and they don’t produce much pitching. Seems like natural trade partners waiting to hookup.
November 8th, 20121:06 pm
“No GM is going to send a gift to the Braves.”
With Frank Wren, its usually the other way around !
Thanks for the blog DOB. It’s been a while since my last post, but looking forward to frequenting this messy compilation of irrational, logical, and sometimes absurd posts of fellow Bravo fans. I trust the minds that have control over this organization. They have proven time and again to work tirelessly to put together a competitive, good-natured group of ball players to root for throughout the campaign. With the budget they have to work with, I believe Wren has done a remarkable job compiling this roster over the years and I trust he will do the same this offseason.
What I’d like to see:
Prado takes over 3B. The guy deserves a chance to find a regular position and continue to flourish. Think about it this way. You go in to work as a sales rep one day, then the next day they ask you to work on a marketing project, followed by the 3rd day to work in with the accounting department. Sure that analogy may be a bit of stretch, but Prado is the ultimate team-first guy and I would want no one other than him to take the place of the legend. He should also be re-upped with a long-term deal. I believe in rewarding hard work and dedication, and he has been a joy to cheer for and follow through his career.
I want Bourn to return, he was an integrel part of this team’s success. I think much more goes in to a winning team than just talent, it is about meshing the talent together to form a successful team. We can point at stats til we’re blue in the face (and most baseball people do) but I like how he fit in with the club. I assume it’s a waiting game if he’ll jet for greener pastures, although I like the pastures in Atlanta over any team in baseball, but that’s just because I’m a total homer.
Willingham in left? Jason Bay on the cheap in left? Klesko? We’ll see what Wren decides, I trust in the brass bringing in a valuable piece.
That’s not all I have to say about the Braves offseason, but it is all I am willing to share with you now. Enjoy the winter weather fellas, not too far off from spring training!
November 8th, 20121:07 pm
A few things make me worry about adding Willingham.
1. The last two years he’s hit righties significantly better than lefties. For his career, it’s around even, but I’d hate to see another fake right-handed bat like Uggla in the lineup.
2. Even more worrisome, he’s getting old and he’s had a history of back problems. Dude plays through a lot of nagging injuries, but he hasn’t been an iron man. Only 140+ games once in the last 5 years.
3. He’s not a particularly good fielder. If we assume Bourn is moving on, the Braves could go from having probably the best fielding outfield to one of the worst, depending on who fills CF.
4. For his career he’s been bad in September and October. Last thing the Braves need is a guy who breaks down physically or slumps then.
5. Mostly, I just don’t like idea of picking up a guy who will be 34 before the season starts and coming off a career year, playing the most games he’s played in since 2007. Guys like that always seem to flop for the Braves.
November 8th, 20121:08 pm
L Cain for cf from Royals?
Tumbledown, I too would be happy with Span in CF and Hunter in LF.
November 8th, 20121:10 pm
Braves OF prospect Todd Cunningham is 5-for-7 with a double, two homers and four RBIs the past two nights in Mexican Winter League, batting .298/.441/.553 (.994 OPS) in 47 ABs over 14 games, with three homers and three steals.
November 8th, 20121:15 pm
BravesFanSince80s, lol I need to deal with it? You’re the one who’s been complaining about these things nonstop.
what you eat for breakfast?
November 8th, 20121:23 pm
So again we are looking at people who will not put people in the seats at the ted. Sigh can we please go after Josh Hamilton PLEASE.
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