6:45 pm November 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 5th, 20126:58 pm
November 5th, 20127:02 pm
Wren usually comes out swinging so I expect some news out of the GM meetings.
DOB, Boras said each team has an extra 25 million from the MLB TV deal. Hey the braves acknowledged this?
November 5th, 20127:05 pm
Be smart, Frank. No washed up veterans. Good options out there like Pagan, Ludwick and some possible trades could be made for Revere/Willingham.
Fill those holes and resign Rossy and Reed! Bourn will unfortunately play for Washington, Philly, Cincy or some other team.
November 5th, 20127:09 pm
Torii Hunter, Ryan Ludwick, on and on… all serviceable, competent mid-level Major Leaguers…none of whom will boost the Braves into deep post-season baseball. We’ve had a bunch of those types of pickups in recent years (Garret Anderson, Alex Gonzalez, Mark Kotsay, Derek Lowe…), all on the downhill slope, their best years behind them. Here we go again.
The new national TV contracts take effect in 2014. And yes, each team will see an increase in revenues of about $25 million. Which should translate to payrolls going up 15-20 million.
November 5th, 20127:10 pm
Speaking of over-the-hill pickups, somehow I forget Uggla. I try really hard to forget him.
November 5th, 20127:16 pm
Pagan I believe is the best fit for ATL, I bet he had less strikeouts than Bourn too.
November 5th, 20127:23 pm
Sign Youkillis and BJ Upton and be done.
November 5th, 20127:24 pm
Can’t wait to see what Wren & Co pull off this offseason! Prado will definitely be moved to 3rd, so I imagine they’ll be looking for players to fill LF and CF. Lots of options out there.
November 5th, 20127:25 pm
How crazy would it be to pick up Pagan and Victorino?? I would have no problem with that.
November 5th, 20127:30 pm
Pay for what they will do in the future, not what they did in the past!
November 5th, 20127:31 pm
DOB – no mention of Victorino? I’d love to get him
November 5th, 20127:33 pm
Wilson, they need to get at least one power hitter. I would be fine with either one of those guys for CF, but getting both would be kind of redundant.
November 5th, 20127:39 pm
Prado is a gold glove calibre left fielder. No need to move him.
November 5th, 20127:46 pm
One wonders if that Uggla trade happened so quickly because the Braves thought they were getting one level of production and the Marlins figured they were giving up a lesser value of production!
When the trade was made, it seemed like a steal, Uggla for Omar Infante and minor leager Mike Dunn seemed like a great deal for the Braves. But two years of disappointing offensive production makes one wonder if the Marlins saw this happening and saw an opportunity to limit their losses. Perhaps they also anticipated what their new stadium would be tailored for and knew a hitter like Uggla would fare even worse in such a pasture!
November 5th, 20127:48 pm
Angel Pagan , B J Upton for the outfield. Youkalis for third. Trade Uggla and return Prado to second base. This is realistic if you can dump Uggla
November 5th, 20127:49 pm
Looks like there are some good possibilities out there for us. For CF i like Pagan, BJ Upton or Victorino via FA or Justin Upton or Fowler via trade. For Outfield I like Cody Ross or Ludwick via FA or Revere via trade. Headley would be best if possible.
If we are able to grab either combo of these guys along with locking up our other young fielders and pitchers things will look good in braves country for a while.
Good luck Frank.
November 5th, 20127:53 pm
Travis – Prado would be a gold glove catcher too probably. The guy is the man. It makes sense to get the best players that fit, then fill in Prado where needed.
November 5th, 20128:03 pm
Ken, the Marlins reportedly offered Uggla an extension that he turned down before they traded him.
yogi, besides that trading Uggla without eating most of the contract is extremely unrealistic right now, the guy you’d essentially want instead of him is Youkilis? I mean, his production was arguably worse than Uggla’s this past season.
November 5th, 20128:04 pm
Are we seriously talking about Ryan Ludwick and Torii (not Torri, DOB) Hunter? One would think with the money we have available that we would aim a little higher.
November 5th, 20128:08 pm
@ Travis Youkills isn’t the same player he use to be so he’s not a ideal target for 3rd either Prado or Headley are the only real good options and Braves and Padres match up nicely cause Padres need young talented pitching. Wright is a option to but not a very realistic one
Mark (another one)
November 5th, 20128:24 pm
I like the idea of Prado moving to 3rd and giving the Braves a strong infield. There are plenty of candidates for LF. A bet Prado could be a repeat all-star at 3rd, which is harder to find than a LF.
In my dreams I move McCann to 1st, Freeman to 3rd, Prado to LF and look for a catcher and CF. I often wondered why the Braves made Freeman a 1st baseman when he was drafted at 3rd and 1st. Oh we’ll. what’s done is done.
November 5th, 20129:03 pm
I actually like Dexter Fowler a lot, he’s a local guy (a more proven one than say, Francoeur) and has as much or more speed than Bourn. He’s also in his mid 20’s.
November 5th, 20129:04 pm
Will not be surprised when Gattis is slotted into LF and Wren uses the extra cash to sign Pagan for CF and the rest to go after Greinke. That’s all rpoviding Liberty doesn’t tell Wren to send most of the excess cash back to the corporate coffers.
November 5th, 20129:05 pm
isn’t kevin youkilis like 82 years old now?!?
November 5th, 20129:06 pm
joefan…..who is gattis? help me out here
November 5th, 20129:17 pm
Pagan and Ludwick, two years each. I wouldn’t do more than two, though maybe three for Pagan, he is only 30. Ludwick is 34. will be 35 next July. If Ludwik wants more than two years, then don’t sign him.
Pagan and Ludwick, two years each. I wouldn’t do more than two, though maybe three for Pagan, he is only 30. Ludwick is 34. will be 35 next July. If Ludwik wants more than two years, then don’t sign him. I look for Gattis to be the left fieder by 2015.
November 5th, 20129:21 pm
1) Dexter Fowler is not a leadoff guy. He’s much more comfortable hitting #2 or down in the order. But he’s a helluva player coming off a very good year and showing he’s ready to be here and produce on the big stage.
2) For all of you who want only big name guys, consider the Giants’ roster this year. They’re the island of misfit toys, with the exception of Panda and Posey. They have outstanding pitching and guys who are substantially more concerned with winning than they are accumulating stats. There are no Ugglas on their roster. Just guys who take quality cuts and now how to move a runner over, etc.
November 5th, 20129:29 pm
Youklis & Hunter are past their prime & not good choices for the Braves. Pagan is intriguing for 2 years until Gattis is ready. Uggla has shown flashes of brilliance, so hopefully he will come out swinging.
Upton has moments where he looks great and others where he looks like a strikeout king whose head isn’t in the game. Fowler would be a good choice as he’s not a household name and not commanding a huge salary yet.
@BRIAN: Excellent points, I agree with you.
November 5th, 20129:31 pm
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November 5th, 20129:33 pm
I wonder why fowler isnt being talked about more? I guess he was mentioned in this article… or was he?
November 5th, 20129:36 pm
I expect another mediocre team next year.
November 5th, 20129:41 pm
I, for one, don’t like the idea of Angel Pagan. He certainly had a great year in a big ball park and will substantially benefit from overperforming during the World Series. He never really excelled during his time with NYM, thus being traded for another underperformer: Andres Torres. SF has the money to spend, especially with not bringing back Melky Cabrera, and they won’t let him go.
I’m big on Shane Victorino. Where Bourn and BJ Upton will get too many years, Victorino wants a starting role and could be had for 3 years, and substatially less than either of the two. He was great with PHI and knows the NL East, and would be a great leader in the clubhouse.
whatever you do Frank please dump Uggla. We are stuck with the salary so eat all of it you have to in order to get rid of him. He is such a drag on the offense. The only good thing he did while in Atlanta is take the heat off the long term deal given to Hampton.
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November 5th, 20129:42 pm
I expect another year of Horrible umpiring. When it comes results I wouldnt expect to see the Braves have another disappointing finish to 2013. The team cant seem to function in must win games (or even important games)
November 5th, 20129:46 pm
when it comes to* results…
I am surprised the Giants didn’t offer anything to Pagan, he had an incredible year. I think if you stood Pagan and Bourn side by side, dollar for dollar, and comparing the numbers, you would get way more bang for your buck with Pagan. Victorino would be a nice fit as well. I think Evan Gattis, great story of a guy who has worked his tail off to get to where he is now, will probably start the season in AAA and see what he does. He has punished the baseball on every level thus far. Management feels that by moving to left field will get him to the majors quicker since he is blocked by both McCann and Bethancourt. If anything, he could be a huge trade chip to help acquire what we need in either the outfield or third base. Anybody with a rolling marble in their head knows that the Braves aren’t even going to consider making an offer to Hamilton. Sure, they’re “intrigued” by him, hell, who isn’t?? I mean, Angeline Jolie is intriguing, but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to get her!
It has been a long time since the Braves have had this kind of flexibility in terms of payroll, and I know that Wren will get the best players that he can get with what he’s got. I was a little hesitant about him when the season started, but he has raised some eyebrows and made some good decisions.
November 5th, 20129:49 pm
Caleb, Dexter is under contract with Rockies and up for arbitration. Braves would have to make a trade to get him if CR would even think of trading him. You never know.
November 5th, 20129:57 pm
If Gattis is to make it, he will have to be fast tracked sooner than 2015. He’s not a kid. Expect him to make the roster sometime in 2013 as a righty pinch hitter, backup OF-C.
bring back blauser
November 5th, 201210:00 pm
why not go after Juan Pierre he would be a decent centerfielder who can get on base and run only drawback is his arm is not strong
Brain at 9:21 p.m.: this makes more sense than anything DOB, or the rest of us have ever posted here:
consider the Giants’ roster this year. They’re the island of misfit toys, with the exception of Panda and Posey. They have outstanding pitching and guys who are substantially more concerned with winning than they are accumulating stats. There are no Ugglas on their roster. Just guys who take quality cuts and now how to move a runner over, etc.
November 5th, 201210:02 pm
AS for the horrible umpiring. Anyone notice how they quit showing the FOXTRAC every pitch halfway thru the playoffs? The umps were missing so many calls it was embarassing. The classic was during the Braves game when Medlin had thrown like 6-7 pitches to a batter, and despite the fact that EVERY pitch was in the strike box, the batter had a 3-2 count.
I would do everything possible to get Headley in a trade….Put Prado in LF. Then try to trade for Ben Rever are Span to play CF. Headley would cost you 12 million for 3 years and 1 million for Rever and 6 million for Span. 10 million in 2013 at most..then go get a good SP with some of the 20 million you still have. If that didn’t work get Victorino for two years. Go Braves..
November 5th, 201210:07 pm
How about a trade for Choo? Then sign Hunter.
November 5th, 201210:13 pm
Hunter is good but 37 and would want 3 years 36 million. Another old man.
November 5th, 201210:16 pm
Moboman: i noticed the that about fox trax in regular season games!! I was at the WC game and i didnt watch a single play off game or WS game…
Would that be the same mediocre team that won 94 games last year?
November 5th, 201210:21 pm
moboman: I noticed that about fox trax in regular season games!! I was at the WC game but i didnt watch a single playoff or WS game…I have absolutely no doubt that they stopped showing fox trax a lot though, as i said, i noticed it in regular season games a lot.
November 5th, 201210:26 pm
stupid ajc.com. screwing up my posts.
November 5th, 201210:27 pm
What about Francisco at 3B? He was a top prospect and had pretty good stats in limited PT. I would love to see what he could do in a full year. And he’s cheap!!
November 5th, 201210:35 pm
I think dale Murphy and bob horner are available.
November 5th, 201210:36 pm
Hunter ain’t getting $36 million. If someone wants to pay that, then don ‘t sign him. At 37 he is still a good player, a great clubhouse presence and a right handed power bat.
I think the Braves should trade Michael Bourn for Mike Trout and trade Eric Hinske for Josh Hamilton. Those would be good trades. Also, nothing ruins a good oatmeal cookie like raisins.
November 5th, 201210:55 pm
Go all out for Grienke too lead what should become the best pitching staff including bullpen in the league
Grienke. Medlin beachy (mid season) minor Hudson has about 3 good yrs left An plenty of depth Hanson muholm terahn Delgado
Pitching depth Can be used to trade for cheap outfielder
Shafer will be our center fielder. Only 26 our hitting coaches can turn him around.
Or just put Gattis in left he also is 26 Hit at every level An tearing up the winter league
Pitching is what the braves are known for an this pitching staff will put us back on the map
November 5th, 201211:04 pm
Dingus, I am certain you are joking. And could their be a special ingredient in your oatmeal raisin cookies in place of the raisins? Do bake enough for all of us.
November 5th, 201211:20 pm
Alright, I must say that the Braves get what they pay for. If they try to economize in this situation, we’re going to have another 88-74 year and go out in the 1st round of the playoffs again. Personally, I’d rather spend ALL $25 million on a player like Hamilton than go after a Ludwick and a Fowler. Why not get a guy that can put butts in the seats and put up ridiculous numbers that will be more than the other two guys combined? We need a bona fide superstar now that Chipper is gone. Hamilton would be worth it. We have enough young arms to trade one of them for a serviceable (and much cheaper) centerfielder than Bourne. Why not dangle Tommy Hanson for a 30-40 SB guy like Span and spend the FA money on Hamilton?
November 5th, 201211:21 pm
I remember back in the day about 20 years ago that the Braves came to their senses then and realized that a guy by the name of Maddux was expensive, but worth the money.
November 5th, 201211:31 pm
I just hope we are smart and dont make moves just to make them like the lowe and kk moves. Lets face it unless we can pull off something huge we will not be great next year we will be good just not great so dont mortgage the future just to make the playoffs lets build a champion. Oh yea I love me some Gattis would love to see him in left if he is a least league avg on d it would be awesome. If you have not seen the vid of him on youtube you need to check it out. He hit a go ahead homer and was beyond pumped. I love to see that kind of passion and love of the game.
frank uggla is a joe johnson. get rid of him.you r a hero.
November 5th, 201211:53 pm
Anyone saying the Braves should just plug in Prado wherever he’s needed is crazy. He’s a great player and deserves to be a starter at 3rd or LF (2nd is really where he belongs but that’s another story). Prado is a team player and he’s earned the right to be the starter, not treated as a stop-gap.
November 5th, 201211:54 pm
MLB mandates are now so convoluted by give-ups to the Players Union that the game is in a suicide dive. It is a lost cause that defies rational solution.
November 5th, 201211:55 pm
What amazes me is that everyone thinks B J Upton is some kind of superstar when in fact he’s a mediocre hitter with horrible on base numbers and massive strike out numbers every year. doesn’t anyone actually read statistics? Upton was 242./298/.454 that’s 17th of 21 center fielders who qualified for a batting title. 298 OBP There were only 4 outfielders total in the majors (qualified for a batting title) that had an OBP lower that BJ.. that makes him 48th of 52. In the same group he was
51st if 52, only Granderson struck out more. BJ Upton will disappoint the team that signs him and I hope it isn’t the Braves
November 5th, 201211:57 pm
need to make a big splash Hamilton. Or chase Headly or Juston upton or zack Grienke Chipper put fans in the seats Only one can put fans in the seats equal to Chipper. That’s Hamilton He is a southern boy who has said before he likes Atl A true superstar Would excite the fan base
November 6th, 201212:01 am
Torii Hunter hit .313 with 16 HR & 93 RBI’s and a 5.5 WAR. He might be older, but the guy can still play. Bring him in and put him in Left. Put Pagan/Victorino in CF and that is one solid outfield.
Cody Ross obviously had a great year last year. However, I have concerns about signing him to a 3 year, 25 mil deal which is what he’s demanding since he’s over 30 years old and just now had a breakout season. I’d much rather go with Hunter/Swisher who are both proven players who put up consistent numbers.
November 6th, 201212:14 am
Dingus, I just spat my water laughing. Thanks. It’s a game, folks. On a serious note, I would like to see what Wren could do,with a payroll comparable to the Phils.
Maybe the Chic Fil A folks would like to get into the baseball business?
November 6th, 201212:24 am
Every winter and trade deadline we talk about getting Ludwick, Cody Ross, and other bodies to fill the voids we have in the lineup. We haven’t been able to land any of them yet, wish we could just stop talking about getting any of these bums. It wouldn’t be worth the cost and they are all getting a year older every time we talk about picking up these guys.
Honestly the best names in the article were Pagan and Torii Hunter but even they are getting older and the numbers are dropping year after year. Lets aim higher and trade some prospects for a better outfielder or we could bring up some young guys. Evan Gattis might be a good move if he can be considered a legitimate outfielder, not sure how well he transitioned to the OF but we could watch his numbers in winter ball and go from there.
November 6th, 20121:05 am
Please take park effect into account when evaluating guys like Ryan Ludwick. He played in a little league park that inflated his numbers. Very little chance he can duplicate those numbers in a pitcher’s park like Turner Field.
I would rather give up prospects for Chase Headley who killed it in a brutal home ballpark.
Bobby cox fan club
November 6th, 20121:10 am
Go after Cody Ross and Victorino/Pagan,or save that money and put Stefan Gartrell in LF,dude has power and hit HRs for Gwinett and also need to convert Ernesto Mejia to outfield,dude can also hit with power.Gattis also can hit so any of those guys,save the money and go with these guys,except get a leadoff hitter.resign Johnson and Ross and Durbin.Costanza woule be a good option.
November 6th, 20121:13 am
Will the Braves make a trade at the GM meetings?
Gosh, I hope so.
Frank Wren sucks.
November 6th, 20121:19 am
November 5th, 2012
What is with you people?
Like any of this matters.
If we even make another wild card game, we could have a hundred wins and still lose.
What more do you need to see from this team?
We’re not winning the division. We’re not winning the World Series.
We haven’t won a playoff series in eleven, going on twelve, years.
Same old s!%#. Brand new year.
November 6th, 20121:20 am
Frank Wren sucks…LOL. All he’s done is build a perennial playoff team just like Schuerholz. I suppose he sucks too.
All a GM can do is lead a horse to water…he can’t make them hit and field when it matters.
November 6th, 20122:21 am
1. lasting for an indefinitely long time; enduring: her perennial beauty.
2. (of plants) having a life cycle lasting more than two years.
3. lasting or continuing throughout the entire year, as a stream.
4. perpetual; everlasting; continuing; recurrent.
One and half playoff appearances in the seven seasons since the Braves last won a division title, in which both Scheurholz and Wren served as GM.
Five actual playoff games. One win.
Not sure where you get “perennial” or “playoff team” out of that equation.
November 6th, 20123:27 am
He has built playoff teams 3 years in a row, nevermind the meltdown. That’s perennial in my book. Again, it’s not like he picked up a bat or put on a glove. Both teams that actually made the playoffs should’ve moved on. The team that didn’t was better than any other NL team but didn’t get it done. That isn’t on Wren.
If you want to bitch and moan, be a Royals fan…
November 6th, 20125:03 am
What are the Braves plans, if any, for Juan Francisco? I don’t really think he is the answer. There are 10’s of millions of dollars at stake and he comes to spring training 25 lbs over weight…how lazy would a talent have to be to blow that off. I’m just surprised there has been no mention of him one way or the other.
November 6th, 20126:22 am
Lead off speedster and a power right handed bat and we are golden.
November 6th, 20126:27 am
Herman Ruth, I don’t know what your definition of mediocre is, but 92 wins is not it for baseball.
For me, I’d personally like to see both Upton brothers in the Braves outfield next year. Make it so, Wren.
November 6th, 20126:38 am
John Smoltz should be the MANAGER OF THE ATLANTA BRAVES. It will not happen as long as Wren is around because SMOLTZ would not need him for anything. Wren has not done anything to improve the Braves roster since he got the GM job. HIRE JOHN SMOLTZ AS THE MANAGER OF THE ATLANTA BRAVES — WOULD BE THE BEST THING EVER –
November 6th, 20126:46 am
November 6th, 20127:13 am
you mean i can vote twice?
what you eat for breakfast?
November 6th, 20127:14 am
So basically we get to go after “leftovers” and not top of the line quality players. *sigh*
November 6th, 20127:29 am
Give Arizona Teheran or Hanson for Justin Upton and put him in left field. Sign BJ Upton as a free agent and keep him in center. Now this, folks, is a real good fix for the Braves. They’d be set.
November 6th, 20127:45 am
Just booked our Spring Training trip Mar 13 – 22. Can’t wait to see the improvements that you guys
have made to my Braves. I’ll bet that Mr. Wren is just finishing his morning coffee and is furiously
jotting notes on all of your input. Go get ‘um, Frank.
November 6th, 20127:46 am
# It won’t matter who the Braves get if Fredi is sitting his hands in the dugout and not being aggressive. What is wrong playing for 1 run? A run here and a run there adds up with really good pitching, and a big inning occasionally.
# Headley sounds like the player they should pursue most aggressivley, then find a centerfielder (Victorino would be nice, even Tori Hunter for 2 years)
# Gattis should make the roster, along with Francisco there is pop off the bench with
Schafer as the speed guy.
# Uggla going nowhere, don’t laugh he could be league MVP next year if he puts it all together consistently.
November 6th, 20127:47 am
No way is Liberty Media dedicated to winning a World Series. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
November 6th, 20127:48 am
# Say no to Uptons.
# Say no to Uptons!
# Say NO to Uptons!!!!!!
November 6th, 20127:57 am
Dang Amrchair, you don’t have to be so Downton about Uptons.
November 6th, 20128:10 am
November 6th, 20128:13 am
retreads, rehabs, & rejects are my specialty !
A healthy Brian McCann in 2013 is the equivalent of acquiring an ALLSTAR catcher !
As a result don’t look for any big name & budget-busting difference makers to be acquired this offseason.
I’m ready for spring training !
November 6th, 20128:19 am
Competitive and profitable – the two words that are the mission statement for the Braves and Wren as per Liberty Media via Terry McGuirk.
It is there in black and white from Tim Tucker’s interview with McGuirk before last season.
It makes me sick.
Keep your expectations low.
Pagen and Victorino. Get em Frankie!
November 6th, 20128:30 am
Like Pagan, he would be a great fit in center with a very manageable salary. Stay away from Tori Hunter and Ryan Ludwick. Hunter is another Garret Anderson and Ludwick played in Cincinnati and that little league ballpark so his numbers are inflated. Dexter Fowler could be an interesting option but if he is available I could see a few teams interested which might mean the Braves would have to overpay for him with prospects. On the plus side if you could get him in a reasonable trade you would have control of him for 3 seasons before he is free agent eligible and it appears he is finally developing into a good everyday ballplayer.
November 6th, 20128:32 am
Love the Braves policy of not overpaying for free agents, overpaying for 1 player that gets hurt or underachieves can wreck a ball club. ARod, Soriano, Dice-K,Puhouls (spelling). Cardinals did fine without him and that monster salary. Go Braves
November 6th, 20128:35 am
I’m an Angels fan and think Torii Hunter is fantastic…very disappointed they aren’t bringing him back. The Braves should sign him to a 2 year deal to provide leadership, strong defense, and a productive bat until the farm has another prospect ready to go. I’d love to see Torii at Turner!
November 6th, 20128:39 am
I saw no to Fowler, no to Hunter, no to Ludwick.
Yes to trading for Headley, and yes to signing BJ Upton or Angel Pagan
man and dog
Frankie – Make another blockbuster trade and include Uggla in it again.
November 6th, 20128:44 am
We will really need someone to put people in the seats at the ted, Sadly I do not think names like “Pagan” and “Fowler” will do that and people probably will not be sporting those jerseys.
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