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VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
2:28 pm
old man
My comment was only about me and had no political topics involved. I just said I’m working cause of Obama. That was it.
old man
November 4th, 2012
2:32 pm
Many told me that Bourjos was a terrible idea for CF. A careful (I stress the word careful) examination of the stats, injury history, etc., suggest he is a reasonable gamble, with tremendous upside. Now, all of a sudden his team, with one of the best outfields in the game in 2012, LAA, seems to be saying goodbye to their veteran RFer (who had a 2012 slash line of .313/.365/.451/.817), so Bourjos can play CF in 2013, so they can MOVE THEIR OBVIOUS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR AND POTENTIAL MVP MIKE TROUT to a corner OF spot.
Seriously, how bad can a player be if you are forcing a ROY/MVP to move to a new position to make room for him?
Is it OK to say “I told you so” on this blog?
PuddyCat
November 4th, 2012
2:34 pm
Rosters and benches would only work if the players execute. Great players that play poorly become unpopular very fast. Mediocre players play play well are playing over their head…Melky & Gregor Blanco
old man
November 4th, 2012
2:36 pm
VaBravesFan, your comment was mild, and was responsive to someone else. Other folks were stirring the pot all night long, not you. Last time I looked, the Braves’ uniforms had both red and blue, right?
old man
November 4th, 2012
2:36 pm
VaBravesFan, PS, congrats on the job situation.
PuddyCat
November 4th, 2012
2:38 pm
Maybe I shouldn’t use the word mediocre, bur rather use the words average to below average instead
old man
November 4th, 2012
2:42 pm
I wonder what it would take to get Justin Upton.
And I still wonder if Cody Ross would be willing to be an overpaid platoon LFer, with Francisco at 3B. Maybe the problems negotiating with Boston would make him consider that. Stat-wise, it’s a no-brainer. As I have posted before, based on last years stats they would end up with 47 HRs between them. You can look it up. And Ross provides an excellent Plan B for CF if the person we get for that does not pan out.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
2:42 pm
Is it OK to say “I told you so” on this blog?
I’m just waiting until he hits .270 next year with GG defense and Greinke puts up a 3.00 ERA. I’ll be all over it. Especially when we still will need to add a frontline SP and will be overpaying for a CF
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
2:44 pm
But yes, as we all know, his 2011 season was a fluke, not reflective of his capability. His 2010 and even more so, his 2012 season, when he was injured, both years when he didn’t play regularly, are more indicative of his ability.
Just like how Heyward was a bum after his horrible 2011 season
chipontheroad
November 4th, 2012
2:46 pm
Good for you and Navy vets,I believe we will beat down the Cowpokes for you Va
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
2:49 pm
For those who asked about 1B Ernesto Mejia, he was added to the Braves’ 40-man roster. Had to be protected from Dec. Rule 5 draft. So was pitcher Juan Jaime, a righty who had a 3.16 ERA and 73 strikeouts in 51-1/3 relief innings at high-A Lynchburg in ‘12.
CB
November 4th, 2012
2:53 pm
So,if Bourjos is so valuable why would they trade him for Salcedo? They are idiots to his true value? I think it would take Heyward for this budding star. (sarcasm) I really don’t mind you advocating but at least talk with some sense.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
2:57 pm
I’d love to get Justin Upton, but we don’t match up well.
old man
November 4th, 2012
3:01 pm
CB, you lost me. When you say “talk with some sense,” do you mean concede Bourjos is a bum because you say he is? Or am I missing something? My only point is that for such a “marginal player,” it is odd that he is suddenly pegged by his own team to supplant a ROY/MVP CFer, that’s all. I never thought they would take Salcedo. That’s nuts. I was thinking we would sign a FA they want, trade him for Bourjos, and eat some of the FA salary, so we would not trade any current players or prospects.
Several days ago, someone (can’t remember who) criticized Cody Ross as not being a selective hitter, not being a “grinder,” not making pitchers throw pitches, etc. I’m seeing now that Ross was #12 in all of MLB in pitches per plate appearance.
old man
November 4th, 2012
3:01 pm
CB, I was a bit snarky there. Maybe I misunderstood your post.
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:04 pm
So for example your saying the must get a deal done with Bourn before the exclusive time runs out? But if not and he can talk to other teams if we still are able to resign him we’ll lose our draft pick, even tho he’s our free agent?
No, you don’t lose your draft pick for signing your own free agent.
CB
November 4th, 2012
3:05 pm
old man,directed at TOBF. I really have no problem with Bourjos if Braves get a very good LF like Upton but only if. One of the OF has to be a power hitter.
chipontheroad
November 4th, 2012
3:11 pm
Good moves on Meja and the fireballer
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:18 pm
ESPN #29 free agent Victorino
Victorino’s bat speed has slowed to the point where he’s best utilized as a fourth outfielder who can fill any of the three outfield spots and come off the bench as a right-handed hitter, since even in his prime he was never very good hitting from the left side.
He has an above-average arm and is still an asset on the bases despite the occasional boneheaded play — it’s almost surprising how good he is at reading pitchers’ moves when you consider how poor his instincts look at times. He’s a one-year-deal player at this point, but the lack of center-field options might encourage some team to give him two or three years to be a starter.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:24 pm
where did the idea come from that you lose a draft pick if you re-sign your own player?
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:25 pm
BAS: No dancing here at all Steve. I’m just stating my point. And if you guys don’t like it, well too damned bad. — DS1
No, too damned bad if you don’t like the no-politics rule. Because this is my blog, not yours. And if you don’t like my rule, go spout your divisive garbage elsewhere on a blog where people to to talk politics. End of story. Do it again, you (and anyone else) will be banned.
Thanks.
(If I’d seen this last night, I’d have removed it then, but I was busy and didn’t check the blog until this afternoon after getting a few complaints from others who don’t want to read your opinions on politics.)
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:26 pm
That was an ugly 1st half for the Redskins….. I feel sorry for their fans, but I do feel good about another later outcome
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:28 pm
The Braves have stopped developing players long ago. Once Liberty bought the team we have been a developmental team for other teams.
Ridiculous.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:31 pm
I’d probably fire Shanahan after the game if we lose today. Just flat out unacceptable play calling inside the 5 yard line. It’s just beyond me that people get paid actual money to do that type of job. I was literally jumping up and down saying WTF kinda call is that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:33 pm
Bourjos will only be traded if Anaheim brings back Hunter or signs some other “cheap” good LF. If that happens, I could see a trade of Bourjos for prospects. His value isn’t really all that high. And with them already getting a lefty reliever, EOF or JV may not be necessary in a trade. They may want a SP, but I can’t see them taking Hanson (and his value is just about none). They may go for Maholm, but if were not adding a SP, we shouldn’t trade him.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:37 pm
Maholm for Bourjos? God forbid….
Trader Jack
November 4th, 2012
3:37 pm
nolie
Victorino has a problem with his right hand, which was injured in 2011 in Toronto. He continues to get cortisone shots. I’m no doctor, but wouldn’t be surprised if he has tendon/nerve damage
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:39 pm
From Buster via Twitter: A lot of surprise around baseball that SF didn’t make a qualifying offer to Angel Pagan, because he’s likely going to get a 4-year deal.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:42 pm
yeah I think I heard something about that too Jack. Always liked Shane myself even if he was a bit weaker against righties, but I’m not sure I’d offer more than two seasons at this point, maybe with a club option for a third.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:43 pm
4 year deal for Pagan HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I’d hate to be a fan of the team that does that stupid deal…. Unbelievable.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:44 pm
I was kinda surprised that they didn’t offer to Pagan too.now with no draft pick loss tied to him he prolly gets a better or quicker contract
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:46 pm
Yeah I’d probably fire Mike Shanahan. I’d tell him you either fire your son and get a new offensive coordinator or I’ll just fire you both.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:46 pm
I’d go three and an option with Pagan in a heartbeat Va. Guy can hit in pitcher’s parks for the most part. Biggest thing I have against him is a little lower OBP than I prefer but its not terrible anyway
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:48 pm
4 year deal for Pagan HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I’d hate to be a fan of the team that does that stupid deal — VaBravesFan
I guess I missed the humor.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:49 pm
He’s a solid player too me, but not worthy of even a 3 year deal too me. Just way too inconsistent from year to year and isn’t great at anything other than maybe base running.
Angel Pagan has only made 11 million in his whole career, the Giants are easily thinking he’s accepting the 13.3 million 1 year offer. That’s exactly why they didn’t offer it. He might get that 3 or 4 year deal from someone but I bet his salary is under 10 million a season.
But the most I’d go on him is 2 years 15 million, 3 yr option for 9 million.
Trader Jack
November 4th, 2012
3:51 pm
nolie
Yep, two years around 17-18 mil.
It’s uncanny how the Phillies unload players that have pending medical problems: Victorino, Kyle Drabek, Carlos Carrasco,. Word is that Cozart, the kid who started the AFL stars game last night, is a TJ candidate waiting to happen
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
3:55 pm
DOB
I just think it’s funny that average players will be getting long term contracts. Alot depends on the money. I’d go 4 years 24 million. I’d pay more yearly salary for shorter deal tho.
Jeff R
November 4th, 2012
3:55 pm
I don’t understand the opposition to Angel Pagan here. Seems like a capable centerfielder with a good bat. And whatever he gets will be significantly less than what Bourn receives, I’d imagine.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
3:55 pm
inconsistent ? he had one poor year in the last 4 the rest have been well above average
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
3:56 pm
But the most I’d go on him is 2 years 15 million, 3 yr option for 9 million. — VaBravesFan
Well, then you would never have to worry about Angel Pagan, because I’m certain that offer wouldn’t even be a finalist.
Jeff R
November 4th, 2012
3:57 pm
But the most I’d go on him [Pagan] is 2 years 15 million, 3 yr option for 9 million.
Pure guess: What about three years/$24 million?
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:00 pm
I’m gonna guess that Pagan gets at least 10 a year
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:02 pm
Angel Pagan as a starter for the past 3 seasons. (Average Season)
143 Games 281/334/415/749 9 HR 60 RBI 33 SB with Average Defense.
Pretty solid player, 31 years old.
Derek
November 4th, 2012
4:04 pm
Thanks for the bloggage. You had a chance to hear Metallica’s Deep Purple cover? Good stuff…think I would be a perfect SAMCRO song.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:04 pm
Keith Law on Angel Pagan who’s his 20th best free agent.
Pagan might have raised his free-agent stock this October — not so much with his performance, but simply by getting exposure, showing that while he lacks a plus tool beyond running speed, he has a number of ways to contribute to a club even in an outfield corner.
A switch-hitter, Pagan has more power and a better eye from the left side, opening his hips early when hitting right-handed, although he’s comfortable going the other way rather than trying to pull pitches he can’t get to. He’s an above-average defender in an outfield corner but would come in average or below if asked to play center regularly. That plus running speed has helped Pagan add value through basestealing and baserunning over the past few years, although that’s the kind of tool that can fade quickly as a player gets into his mid-30s. I’d love to get Pagan on a two- to three-year deal to play left and to slide over to center as a backup when needed, hitting him eighth or ninth since he doesn’t get on base enough to be an ideal leadoff guy.
I don’t foresee more 5-WAR seasons in Pagan’s future, between his age, his reliance on his legs and the potential for a widening platoon split that eventually leaves him as a part-time player.
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
4:08 pm
VaBravesFan: Did you see the Giants much in the postseason, or when the Braves faced S.F. this year? Just curious, because if you did, do you really think Pagan is merely an “average” player?
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:10 pm
Angel Pagan as a starter for the past 3 seasons…Va
why skip his 4th year back which was very good. Regression to the mean certainly goes back that far
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:13 pm
I think he’s a solid player, but not worthy of a 4 year deal with a salary of 10 million. I tend to agree with Law on most things. Prado should pay attention to the money and years being thrown around in free agency. Cause he’ll be in line for a nice pay day if he ever gets there. Much better player than Pagan.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:15 pm
nolie
He has only played everyday in 2010, 2011, and 2012. Only had 88 games in 2009.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:18 pm
Ok, I’ll allow that though I don’t think it is all that big a deal
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:21 pm
2009 was his breakout, kinda like when Prado surprised in 2008 with the extra playing time. Earned a starting spot going into the next season.
Good thing Prado isn’t a free agent this offseason, he’d be in line for 5-6 year deal at 12-13 million a season.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:21 pm
prolly wouldn’t give him 4 guaranteed, but three and a club option I would strongly consider, depending of course how much it was for
I usually agree fairly well with Law, but his claiming Upton as the second best FA is ridiculous, especially since he then goes on and lists all the same bad things I have been saying about him for years…
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:24 pm
yeah I don’t agree about BJ Upton either. But alot of that has to do with age. Upton is the youngest notable CFer out there. His power and age is all he has over Bourn, I’d still rank Bourn higher tho.
But if Angel Pagan is good enough to get 4 years 40 million. Its gonna be a feeding frenzy for everyone.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:25 pm
I wouldn’t go quite that far on Prado, he is career 780 hitter, his specialty is intangibles and for the most part they don’t bring 50 or 60 million dollar deals
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:25 pm
Uh Oh, our next president is almost decided. Looks like a change is coming to the nation. A change should come to Washington Redskins as well. Someone has to take a fall.
Lew
November 4th, 2012
4:26 pm
Maybe Bourjos gets it all figured out with a full season of playing time and no injuries and maybe he doesn’t. However, two points – 1. I’d just as soon pick up a CFer with a proven track record and someone with experience and 2. If he’s as good as some here claim he is, then why on earth would the Angels trade him for Salcedo, who has been a total bust and disappointment since the Braves signed him? If he’s that good, they won’t trade him on the cheap, like some of the PB proponets seem to think.
ChattTownBrian
November 4th, 2012
4:26 pm
Sign Pagan to whatever it takes to get him a Brave! He was just on a world championship team for Christ Sakes!
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:26 pm
If Pagan can bring 40 million, Prado should easily surpass that.
jim
November 4th, 2012
4:27 pm
It was a collection of “just average” players like Pagan, Scutaro, Belt, Blanco, and Crawford that were instrumental in winning a World Series, and a collection of highly paid superstars like, ARod, Cano, Tex, the Grandy Man, CC, and Swisher that got swept by the Tigers. There is nothing wrong with filling in the current roster with the right collection of average players.
ChattTownBrian
November 4th, 2012
4:28 pm
Josh Hamilton too. Sign him to whatever it takes. Didn’t he win a homerun derby and hit 4 homeruns in one game? Pshhh … you kiddin! Difference maker!
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:30 pm
jim
It’s not that getting a average/above average player. It’s that were gonna end up paying them like there very good players.
Lew
November 4th, 2012
4:31 pm
CTB – He’s also a LH Hitter – we need a RH Hitter with his power.
And for everyone else – Count on there being overpayment for any FA we sign – and we’ll almost have to get one player through Free Agency and count on overpaying with prospects in a trade, too. Cause that’s the way it’s going to be.
Russell Bell
November 4th, 2012
4:32 pm
Josh Hamilton is fairly old (31) and prone to injury.
He probably will command at least 20+ million/yr for 5-7 yrs.
No thanks.
ChattTownBrian
November 4th, 2012
4:33 pm
In all seriousness – I would still like to see Victorino here on a short term deal, though I realize he’s not the same player he was not long ago. A Willingham from the right side to go with Victorino would make for a really nice offseason for our Bravos. Or I think so anyways.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:35 pm
Also I don’t view Angel Pagan as a “premium player”
Boy after watching my Redskins today, Someone should lose there job, seriously. Not sure how Daniel Snyder can hold back any longer.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:36 pm
10mil + for Pagan??? Yikes, what’ll Prado get, 15?
I’d rather get a proven hitter in CF as well, but supposedly Jay won’t be available. To give 3-4 year deals to Pagan or Victorino (esp if Pagan will get 10+ mil) is insane to me. Especially if we’re adding an age 30+ LF as well
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:37 pm
I’d give Victorino 2 years 12 million or 1 year 7 million.
Russell Bell
November 4th, 2012
4:38 pm
Since 2007 Josh Hamilton has played:
2007 – 90 games
2008 – 156 games
2009 – 89 games
2010 – 133 games
2011 – 121 games
2012 – 148 games
Not sure of the games played breakdown by position. From 2008 and on wards, Hamilton probably DH’ed in some of those games.
Lew
November 4th, 2012
4:40 pm
Dude, there’s a lot about you that seems insane – like your infatuation with certin players who will never wear a Braves’ uniform. But there will be much overpayment this winter because of all the money that’s about to come into baseball in the next year with all of the National and local TV deals. Better learn to live with it.
And it’s yet another reason you won’t see Greinke in Atlanta unless he’s pitching against us – because they will need ALL of their young pitching in the next few years to offset what everyone else is making.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:41 pm
Hamilton is gonna be a huge disappointment to whoever signs him. It’s not even about the salary with him it’s the length of the deal. How any would be ok with offering more than 3 years is beyond me.
Trader Jack
November 4th, 2012
4:44 pm
If Prado’s agent is smart, he would not agree to an extension, considering what some of these free agents will get this year. 2014 the TV money hits and he could really put a gun to Wren’s head.
Why sell short?
jim
November 4th, 2012
4:46 pm
On an earlier blog I proposed a big trade that both teams would be loathe to make but would have to consider seriously –
Minor, Delgado, and Gattis to KC for Myers and Cain.
I would prefer to use Teheran instead of Delgado, but doubt that KC would go for it. This trade gives the Braves the RH big bat they need and a young centerfielder. It gives KC two frontline pitchers that they deperately need and a power hitting DH candidate to compensate for the loss of offense from Myers. It gives the Braves a young outfield that will be one of the best in MLB in the near future and the financial resource to sign their young core players beyond their arb eligible years. The pitching staff would consist of Medlen, Hudson, Maholm, Teheran, and Hanson until Beachy returns to form in 2014, but could also be upgraded with a FA signing with some of the money saved.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:47 pm
Prado > than Pagan.
Some of these teams are going to ante up and pay good players in the 10 to 12 mil range. I do’t mean stars, I mean good ballplayers.
I can see Prado commanding in the 4 yr 50 plus mil range.
With this TV deal we are not keeping anybody. 90 mil will be a AAAA payroll by next decade.
So lets enjoy this while we can still stay competitive cause the late teens and 2020’s are a dark time in ATL Braves history.
I hope the franchise can survive into the 30’s with the busines future ahead. By then that stinking TV deal will be done but could it be too late.
Webster
November 4th, 2012
4:48 pm
DOB:
What would you offer Pagan if you were FW?
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:51 pm
That trade proposal is totally insane for us Jim.
You are giving up 40 pct of your rotation and that is young pitching that is a part of your future & they are not FA’s for a while.
For unproven talent. Cain is AAAA material and Myers, well, we do not know what he really can do in MLB.
Got to get a more relevant return than that.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:53 pm
Boy after watching my Redskins today, Someone should lose there job, seriously. Not sure how Daniel Snyder can hold back any longer.
Va Brave — Sad to see that franchise with a history be so dormant. I’d rather have the Redskins be good than the stinking Giants whom I hate. I hate all those other 3 teams in that division except Wash.
From George Allen to Joe Gibbs they were real good for a 20 yr run. But not much since.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:53 pm
Easily? why they are pretty much the same hitter with Pagan having more speed and Martin more versatility. don’t see Martin getting all that much more
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:54 pm
True we will need to massively overpay to get a good FA…. If Bourn was worth 18mil I guess we should give Pagan about 15 and call it fair.
I don’t see either of those 2 being worth more than 10-12 mil. Sukks I guess. Frank knows what he’s doing though
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:54 pm
I’d offer Pagan 3 yrs at 25 mil. I know he is gonna get overpaid but that is what I think he is worth.
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
4:55 pm
With this TV deal we are not keeping anybody. 90 mil will be a AAAA payroll by next decade.
So lets enjoy this while we can still stay competitive cause the late teens and 2020’s are a dark time in ATL Braves history.
I hope the franchise can survive into the 30’s with the busines future ahead. By then that stinking TV deal will be done but could it be too late. — Disgusted
Ding ding ding! We have a new winner in the King of Doom and Gloom derby.
Congrats, sir. Well deserved. You just might hold onto the title for a while with that depressing spiel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHHQRodF88
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:55 pm
Frank does know what he is doing that I agree with.
Without Frank we would not be relevant with LM in charge.
Webster
November 4th, 2012
4:55 pm
JIM
I like your trade if we could replace Hanson for Minor, and if Drayton Moore didnt want to give up Myers I’d ask for either Gordon or Matsukus
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
4:56 pm
Hey DOB, that is the probable painful truth. Might as well face it.
90 mil will be nothing in MLB in 10 yrs
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
4:57 pm
On an earlier blog I proposed a big trade that both teams would be loathe to make but would have to consider seriously –
Minor, Delgado, and Gattis to KC for Myers and Cain. jim
No, the Braves would not have to consider that seriously.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
4:58 pm
nolie
Prado is basically top tier defensive LFer, a much better hitter than Pagan, can play more positions and is younger. If he was a free agent now he would be getting alot more attention than Pagan.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
4:58 pm
not to worry Disgusted, there won’t be an MLB after Dec 21……
nolie
November 4th, 2012
5:00 pm
he is not a much better hitter than Pagan, he is 109 OPS+ and Pagan is 106, practically no difference at all.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hamilton should get a 3 yrs deal around 75 to 80 mil — but some GM is gonna dum dumm himself and get greedy.
Face it — superior talent but there are warts — big ones.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
5:02 pm
Prado is a better defensive player and you have to value his versitility.
I don;t care about OPS plus — its the real numbers that count. Like HR, RBI, doubles and triples and OBP and BA.
Coach D
November 4th, 2012
5:03 pm
Gattis reminds me favorably of Matt Holiday. Get him up here quick!
My suggestion for Freddi G…:
Move Prado to 2nd
Let Franciso prove 1 way or another that he can play 3rd base
Let Gattis prove he can play left field.
David O'Brien
November 4th, 2012
5:04 pm
Hey DOB, that is the probable painful truth. Might as well face it.
90 mil will be nothing in MLB in 10 yrs — Disgusted
Not even sure why I’m bothering with this, but I gotta ask: So what? Who’s going to have a $90 million payroll in 10 years? What is your point?
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
5:05 pm
Prado has a better batting line across the board, is younger, has been a everyday player longer and more consistent, plays more positions, walks more, strikeouts less, better defender, has been a All Star, and received MVP consideration as well. Too me in my opinion Martin Prado is a much better player.
Webster
November 4th, 2012
5:07 pm
Coach D
In your scenario what happens with Uggla?
nolie
November 4th, 2012
5:07 pm
it is noty the real numbers that count, players who hit in pitchers parks can not put up the same raw numbers. You REALLY need to get some kind of grasp on what is an established baseball concept dude. That is why none of the Coors hitters are getting much consideration in HOF votes. your continues denial of an accep[ted principle makes you look kinda silly
nolie
November 4th, 2012
5:10 pm
he has a better line because he has hit in easier parks, how hard is it to grasp OPS+? It is certainly understood by FOs.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
5:10 pm
DOB — Why its the Braves who are perpetually stuck on the 90 mil payroll while other teams with their new TV money soar in payroll.
We will see.
Point is that the 25 yr TV deal is going to evolve into a real dark time before long. Braves are relevant now but in 10 yrs — I don;t know.
Hey, we find a way to lose even when we do get to post season so gotta grin and bear it with a smile I guess HA HA!!!!!
There really is not much hope but still love the team. I want them to do well.
I do not want the Braves to go the way of the Thrashers in 15 yrs. And when you lose for a long time ATL attendance does go away.
I just see a long term future of doom and gloom after a few more relevant yrs that is all.
Hope to be wrong.
And this TV deal is not on LM. It was before them. More frustration to continue.
nolie
November 4th, 2012
5:11 pm
see y’all gotta do some errands
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
5:11 pm
I really hope Daniel Snyder drops the hammer on someone, just flat out unacceptable today.
Disgusted
November 4th, 2012
5:12 pm
I refuse to accept Sabermutrics Nolie. Refuse to do so. Refuse to accept OPS+.
Prado is a better player than Pagan. The versitility sure gives an edge for sure.
VaBravesFan
November 4th, 2012
5:14 pm
Never would have thought Martin Prado would be in the same tier as Angel Pagan….