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nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:01 pm
WOW, Jeremy hit the lotto….
silliness
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
On Affeldt it boils down to one thing.
The price of good MLB talent is going up.
And our payroll is not.
Nolie — Every team hits a down time but in this case, its going to be ownerhsip’s doing.
See above.
I think that time is going to be sooner than some want to think. And it will not affect my life one way or the other except “I told you so.”
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Braves aren’t paying set up relievers $5-6 million per year on a multi year deal. Things can change, but I do not expect them to follow that trend.
BravesFanInMaine
November 12th, 2012
3:03 pm
Nolie totally agree with ya…. living in new england I have been lucky with all the teams winning championships…. but it will go away at some point
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:04 pm
EOF will get paid and he should.
Will remember him fondly. He has been good for us.
What is Kimbrell going to get when his time comes????????? Hope he gets paid and he keeps it up.
I like the kid.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:05 pm
Disgusted, admittedly these are somewhat arbitrary end-points but Chipper’s OPS+ the last three seasons is 122. Willingham’s OPS+ the last three seasons is 132. Michael Bourn’s OPS+ with the Braves was 96.
I don’t think it’s going to be quite as difficult as some might think to replace the lost players. That’s not to say the Braves can just wait for players to fall in their lap. But if the Braves make some halfway reasonable moves, they’ll be in good shape.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:05 pm
and I agree entirely, some time in the future the Braves are gonna hit a down time…just like every other freakin’ baseball team in the bigs has done and will do again. You will just hafta man up when that time arrives.
Totally agree. And hell, it could still happen even with how solid a young core we have in Heyward, Freeman and Simmons. There will come a time when they have a bad few years – probably worse than the 2006-2008 timeframe. I think we still won around 80 in 06 and 07. That still isn’t terrible.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:07 pm
murph Affeldt gave up 1 HR in 63 IP with 8 SO/9.
Gotta love a reliever who can keep the ball in the park.
i really like affelt, as a pitcher and a person. $6mil per is a little nuts, though.
only a $1mil raise over what he made in 2012 though. *shrug* go figure.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:08 pm
doesn’t matter whos fault it will be, it is gonna happen and all your obsessive whining about it isn’t gonna change that fact. Never really got the folks who can’t enjoy the good things of today because they are so busy frettin’ and stewin’ about something bad that might happen in the future. kinda sad IMO
keyLargo
November 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Someone said that Ross wasn’t worth 3% of our team salary. Really?
Those people must automatically think that MaCann is worth in the 15% salary range. Despite he no longer plays as much defense as a High School Catcher or can run as fast as a T Balll player.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:10 pm
course on the other hand I realize that you do do it so much purposely to irritate folks.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
3:12 pm
Salcedo hits a leadoff double in 2nd inning, after getting ahead in count 3-1 and then fouling off a pitch
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:13 pm
why must they think that? what does one have to do with the other? I bet there are folks here who believe that neither are worth those amounts
CrαZy
November 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
Every team hits a down time but in this case, its going to be ownerhsip’s doing.
The Braves rank 16th in the league in payroll. The Braves rank 15th in the league in attendance. Of course you could argue if they spend more money on big name players more fans will come, but knowing ATL fans I highly doubt a big name would cause attendance to rise we’ve had big names in the past and still only had 15k-20k fans show up on weeknights. They’re spending in payroll exactly what the fan base is giving in attendance?
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
True….
Frankly I don’t think any of the players are worth what they’re being paid…
In fact, I can recall about choking to death after hearing about someone signing Jason Marquis to a 10M AAV contract….
But you either have to pay market or above market value or suffer the consequences as it is a business….
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
Maybe the Braves can get lucky and Bethancourt and Salcedo will have big years at Mississippi. By big, I just mean a .750 OPS(in Bethancourts case) and less than 25 errors(in Salcedo’s case)….
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:18 pm
right, had a first ballot HOFer big name for decades. for a number or reasons Atlanta is generally just not a great baseball attendance town
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
Crazy-
I agree….I’m not sure anything raises the attendance in ATL enough to cause a revenue stir as far as players go….
What I do know and something that DOB and I discussed was the royal screw up when they were planning and putting together the MARTA rail and not putting together a plan that involved a rail line directly outside the ballpark…..just a fatal mistake IMO given the state then and now of the traffic in the ATL area.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
efrim I think we still won around 80 in 06 and 07. That still isn’t terrible.
anything below .500 is terrible. braves did that once, in 2007 i think. mid 80s in wins usually means you had a shot. i think the braves are in a position to be competitive for awhile with the young core. this is why is so important to lock these guys up. keep this core together for as long as possible, because who knows when they next crop is getting here.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Affeldt made $5M last season. Seeing him get a AAV of $6M isn’t that big of a jump. Doubt the Braves would invest that heavily in set-up guys, but that deal doesn’t seem to out of whack with baseball as a whole..
Ef, 2006 – 2008 the team won 79, 84, 72 games, (Averaged 78 wins a season). Started that 84 win season off with Scott Thorman at first base.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
p-town just a fatal mistake IMO given the state then and now of the traffic in the ATL area.
a mistake, yeah, but certainly not fatal. the braves consistently draw 2.5mil fans a year.
i swear, y’all act sometimes like turner field is a ghost town. it aint.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
anything below .500 is terrible.DAP
only to a few spoiled fans. Look at the records for the last thirty years or so for all teams.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
anything below .500 is terrible. braves did that once, in 2007 i think
2007 was the one year in that three year span the Braves were above .500. Traded for Teixeira that season.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
the mistake is having Turner Field in downtown, in that wretched area…. move it up a bit
Turner Field still draws fans though… the traffic in the area proves it, we see it in the seats. Not as bad as what the Twins, Marlins, or Athletics go through
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
i swear, y’all act sometimes like turner field is a ghost town. it aint….DAP
you got that right
CrαZy
November 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
I don’t think any of the players are worth what they’re being paid
That can be said for many different professions… see actors!! Doesn’t bother me though… Take as much as you can get while you can!!!
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
anything below .500 is terrible
How is 78-80 wins “terrible”? You aren’t looking around the league much then.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
that should help EOF in arb. will the Braves trade him?
phil
November 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
nolie
November 12th, 2012
2:48 pm
c’mon man even you must recognize how irritating the constant repetition of the same things can get when a blogger just goes on and on and on and on….
say anything you want, but obsession is ugly no matter what it is about, heck folks get POed at TOBF for it and he is being positive.
**********
“even you”….
One of my great strengths in life is being underestimated.
As for going on and on and on and on, doesn’t everyone here generally do that? Sometimes the story or the plot changes a bit, but what has been discussed on here today that hasn’t already been beaten within an inch of its life? Aside, I’m sure, from a thing or two?
Anyway, looks like next year will be EOF’s last one in a Braves uniform.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
the braves consistently draw 2.5mil fans a year
2.3M is actually the consistency. Been at least that since 1992. At least 2.1M since 1991. But I think the “ghost town” bit comes from percent capacity. Turner field is fairly large. 50k+. 2.3M is good for about 60% capacity a year. Since 2001 through present the stadium has been at about 63% capacity on average. Put another way, there have been on average a bit under 20k empty seats every home game.
Nothing tops the Dodgers though. That team just packs ‘em in.
CrαZy
November 12th, 2012
3:32 pm
P-Town…
I live only 40 min north of Turner and last year I went to 2 braves games and 5 Hawks games. I’m a much bigger Braves fan than Hawks fan, but it’s so easy to drive 15 min to Doraville hop on Marta and get off basically inside Phillips arena. If I could do the same thing to Turner I’d be at 10 games a year!!
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:32 pm
Ef, 2006 – 2008 the team won 79, 84, 72 games, (Averaged 78 wins a season).
That’s the down area for something like two decades. The Braves haven’t been terrible in like more than 20 years. Was it 1990?
And sadly, we only have one title to show for it – but that’s just rotten postseason luck. Who knows? Braves may have to stink for a while, draft high and then bounce back at some point stronger than ever before they are title contenders. Heyward might be 35 at that time. Hah!
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
nolie only to a few spoiled fans. Look at the records for the last thirty years or so for all teams.
no, i dont think so. didnt look at record over the last 30 years, but i dont think it matters if a bunch of teams had terrible years. they are still terrible years when you lose more than you win.
10paul 2007 was the one year in that three year span the Braves were above .500. Traded for Teixeira that season.
forgive my memory. now that youve posted those records i remember that 2008 was the year it all hit the fan. man that was bad. 2006 was painful too. bullpen was horrible.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:34 pm
I don’t think any of the players are worth what they’re being paid
always said by someone who isnt looking at the books, and isnt seeing how much money is generated by athletes or actors.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
Frankly I don’t think any of the players are worth what they’re being paid…
Not to get in to some deep philosophical or economic or political debate, but who should decide what someone’s services are worth?
I love it when people oversimplify things and say athletes are overpaid without regard to what that means.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
And by title contenders, I mean Top 5 team. Even now in the NL they are title contenders, or at least borderline ones.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
SS prospect Nick Ahmed with a leadoff in Phoenix third inning, then steals 2nd base.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
jfp – No, I was concerned about the thought of Bourjos in CF, not Pagan.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
Someone must think these palyers are worth what they are getting paid.
These owners are sagatious business people — they did not get rich being foolish.
That TV revenue & other various sources of $$$$$$$$$$$ drives up the worth of the players.
The players & their agents do not rob these owners bank accounts to come to agreements.
Kudos to Affeldt and if EOF gets that kind of $$$$$$$$$$ more power to him.
We can appreciate his work for us while he was here (assuming he is moved).
And I agreee that under .500 is terrible — where is your competitive spirit???????
If that is being spoiled than I plead Guilty with a capital G.
At least we have the Falcons.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
at one time long ago it was thought to be pretty handy, being right near the I-20/75-85 crossing
CrαZy
November 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Who should decide what someone’s services are worth?
The Highest Bidder
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
efrim How is 78-80 wins “terrible”? You aren’t looking around the league much then.
why does it matter how many teams have terrible seasons? if you lose more than you win, thats terrible.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Shame we couldn’t time it and be bad in the midst of a coupel bad years and get lucky in the draft. I mean, when was the last time this team picked Top 10??………
What’s that? Polished?
phil
November 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
Shaun is overpaid….
Just kidding. I think.
For once, I agree completely. Overpaid is usually in the eyes of he or she who didn’t take a chance and pursue an opportunity to, themselves, be “overpaid”.
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
DAP-
I’m not saying its a ghost town, but when I lived in STL and given my proximity and knowing the people I know, there are people who consistently drive 2 hours a game each way just to see them play and they are consistently in the top 10 in attendance…
The Braves just don’t have that….they need a bit more help….the MARTA would have provided that.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
How is 78-80 wins “terrible”?
72 is pretty bad.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
efrim The Braves haven’t been terrible in like more than 20 years
no, they were terrible in 2008. 2006 was also very painful. our definitions of terrible arent going to mesh, i dont think.
Murph
November 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
Trade Ahmed and Salcedo today!!! Their values have never been higher!
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
St Louis was an established franchise at one time the farthest south and the farthest west,huge fan base and the baseball history there is nothing like in Atlanta
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
I wouldn’t say the Pittsburgh Pirates were terrible this year. By record, or run differential.
The Miami Marlins? Now that team was just terrible.
CB
November 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
On a different note,glad to see Lakers told Phil Jackson to stick it in his ear. Some of his “demands” were a joke.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
they have had 100 years of generation after generation baseball fans starting when there was no other public pasttime to rival it.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
2008 they were terrible – but I’m talking a stretch longer than a year. Multiple year badness.
2006 was also very painful. our definitions of terrible arent going to mesh, i dont think.
You’re off your rocker if you think the difference between one win(80-82) is the meaning of terrible. That’s like saying a team would be stupid not to tender Jair Jurrjens a contract based on the pitcher he was three seasons ago……………..what?
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
We were drawing in the 3 million range in the early yrs of the Ted.
A Marta line would help — from what studies supposedly show its not cost effective.
Just have to take the walk from Georgia State — Its healthy. As long as I can do it. I like the walk.
The place was really rickin in those great 1990’s. We are not the worst baseball town in the world — and our youth is playing the game as much as anywhere in the country (I think).
Youth baseball in GA is still signifigant. Got to encourage the kids to play the game.
Baseball > Football. That is what I try to tell the young in my circle. Don’t always win the debate.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
always said by someone who isnt looking at the books, and isnt seeing how much money is generated by athletes or actors.
Exactly. 30,000 fans multiplied by $15 a ticket (and that’s probably a conservative estimate of average ticket prices) is $450,000. Multiply that by 81 games and that’s $36,450,000 just on attendance alone.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
I mean, when was the last time this team picked Top 10??………
What’s that? Polished?
DAP
November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
How is 78-80 wins “terrible”?
72 is pretty bad
yeah. a 90 loss team is terrible. horrible. awful. no way around it.
DS1
November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
90+ wins are very good
84-89 wins are pretty good
78-83 wins are OK
74-77 wins are almost OK
below 73 wins are lousy
Your welcome!
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
#CouldaHadTrout
I love that line. 27 teams should create t-shirts to describe the 2009 draft.
phil
November 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
always said by someone who isnt looking at the books, and isnt seeing how much money is generated by athletes or actors.
Exactly. 30,000 fans multiplied by $15 a ticket (and that’s probably a conservative estimate of average ticket prices) is $450,000. Multiply that by 81 games and that’s $36,450,000 just on attendance alone.
************
Yep.
Never mind how much goes just to pay the power bill at the Ted. The water bill. The security bill. Payroll for the folks behind the scenes. Payroll taxes. And on and on.
Fire the accountants!!
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
Baseball players are worth more than actors, siingers and rappers in my book.
They (athletes) really are under more pressure.
Their performance is accountable every single night and under more criticisim. Less job security.
Football players under the most pressure — contranct not even guaranteed. The lesser players can get cut on a moments notice.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
80-82 is terrible. 81-81 is average.
This is ridiculous logic.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
That’s like saying a team would be stupid not to tender Jair Jurrjens a contract based on the pitcher he was three seasons ago
Or sign McCann to a long-term deal now based on the catcher he was 1.5 seasons ago…
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
Exactly. 30,000 fans multiplied by $15 a ticket (and that’s probably a conservative estimate of average ticket prices) is $450,000. Multiply that by 81 games and that’s $36,450,000 just on attendance alone.
Also add concessions and parking, etc., Shaun.
These teams do quite well. And why not.
Granteed there are expenses like power and stuff but it cannot be that much of the revenue. Property taxes too.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
For once, I agree completely. Overpaid is usually in the eyes of he or she who didn’t take a chance and pursue an opportunity to, themselves, be “overpaid”.
phil, actually it’s probably even more complex than that. I think it’s a well-intentioned statement to say that athletes, actors, musicians, etc. are overpaid. But it’s just an extreme oversimplification and idealization of the way the world works.
CB
November 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
Or trading for a guy like Bourjos who has never produced.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Some members of the Braves’ organization were pleased to see Hanson begin to run more between starts after his good friend Medlen joined the rotation. The hope is that the increased leg strength will help him regain at least a portion of the lost velocity. – Mark Bowman
I hope so too. But I’m not counting on that.
HooRah
November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
yup, a T-shirt with a picture of a nasty blowfish or something and the “We coulda had Trout”
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Okay, 79 to 83 W’s is mediocre.
Anything below 79 is not good.
90 or more losses = terrible.
brian
November 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
DOB – any thoughts on the article described here earlier in what it would take to land Upton (Justin that is). Venters, Delgado or Teheran, Spruill, and possible Bethancourt versus Francisco.
an Upton, Span, and Heyward OF sounds pretty good to me
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Disgusted, yep. Teams do quite well, mostly because plenty of people are willing to pay at least $15 a game to watch players perform. For better or worse, paying a player a few million bucks is quite reasonable within the context of how it all works out.
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
I dunno….
The power bill and lack of ability to farm the land was enough to put Costner under and make the bank want to foreclose
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Me neither…. hopefully it helps his trade value.
Or trading for a guy like Bourjos who has never produced.
Or counting on Medlen and Minor (two unprovens over a full season) and a 38 yr old Huddy to be a dominant rotation
phil
November 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
The power bill alone at the Ted has to be over a million dollars….
Imagine the gasoline to cut the grass?
nolie
November 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
he has to stride out and use them B4 they will help him any. always been one of my chief complaints about his mechanics, too much arm, not enough legs and core
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
But I’d have to say the odds are quite slim that he would be able to land both Upton brothers.
By next year, their combined annual cost could be in the neighborhood of $30 million, which would be approximately one-third of this year’s payroll. That’s not exactly a position the Braves can put themselves in while uncertain of just how much Jason Heyward, Kris Medlen, Freddie Freeman and Craig Kimbrel could each receive via arbitration after the 2013 season. – Mark Bowman
I’m against adding B.J. AND Justin.
Braves have 13.2 million in guaranteed contracts for 2014 and 2015 with nothing else on the books. If Heyward, Freeman, Medlen and Kimbrel continue to be as good as we hope they are, Braves aren’t going to have any problem paying them what they will get in those two years. Who else is under contract? Absolutely no one. Time to start making some extension offers…….
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
and he has produced…. but no need to quabble over that again. I’ve already proven it. We’ll see next year.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
I still think that if Hanson wants to increase leg strength, he should talk to iether Nolan Ryan or Roger Clemons about their workouts.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
Heyward will make 4, 8, 12 max over the next few years I’d think. That’s if things go really well.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
Yeah, bout time to start drafting and developing some potential cheap regular position players soon….
nolie
November 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
Justin has got to have warts as far as ‘zona is concerned or they would not be trying to trade him just as he should bloom into a better player. and we already know what a disappointment BJ has been for the most part……
Lew
November 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
I wonder if they have any polished college outfielders?
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
4:04 pm
MLB is pretty reasonable entertainment considerring what other venues of entertainment costs.
Look at what it costs to go to some of these music concerts this day in time for current popular performers — Not that I think anything good has come out in the last 20 yrs.
But, young people go out to see some of the modern day crap that is supposedly called music.
Even a movie ticket is not all that cheap.
MLB = Great value.
ALJ
November 12th, 2012
4:04 pm
Dave, Ahmed with a leadoff? A leadoff what, hit, walk, on by error, hit with a pitch?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
I wonder if they have any polished college outfielders?
Oh geez…. prolly as bad as Constanza
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
If Hanson pushes himself, he just might get close to what he was in 09 and 10 even with the decreased velocity he once had.
He can still K people. Got to improve the BB.
He needs to be in top condition, hope he works his tail off.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Or trading for a guy like Bourjos who has never produced.
Never produced what? He’s been quite good as far as producing defensive value relative to the worst possible realistic major league options at his position and was quite good on offense for one season. The other two seasons, he produced about like the worst possible, realistic major league options at his position.
I’m not advocating for Bourjos as the Braves centerfielder, necessarily. But he has produced value at the major league level in every season. I just think the Braves would need something approaching all-star caliber or just short in left or third, if they acquired Bourjos. But he has produced some value.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
the drop and drive ala Seaver and Ryan and Clemens is pretty much faded away in favor of breaking the hip over a stiff front leg, the Tall and Fall approach, but even so there can be more leg drive than Tommy uses.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
Working on new blog. Will post it from airport in a couple of hours (got to head over there now) or, at worst, from the air assuming they have wi-fi on flight.
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
He may very well so Nolie, but they’re gonna be much less than that of Constanza or Schafer….
Cant polish a turd and tell me its candy….
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
I think Forbes has the Braves Average ticket price at around $17. So last year, total attendance in tickets was $41.1M, or a little less than half the payroll.
P-Town Brave ©
November 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
Frankly I think it’d be much more about who we would have to give up to get him than his salary or how Arizona feels about him or who else we can get our hands on….
I just don’t see anyone that is anywhere near his current ability and full upside….
DAP
November 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
efrim, one distinction here might be a terrible team vs a terrible year. im saying losing more than you win is a terrible year. not that its a terrible team (necessarily) under .500 is a disappointment for any team, i think.
Shaun
November 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
and we already know what a disappointment BJ has been for the most part……
nolie, I don’t know. I think it’s fair to say he’s a disappointment but he’s probably not as disappointing as some seem to think.
That doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong for the Braves. Just that he’s probably not as disappointing as some suggest.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
I wonder if they have any polished college outfielders?
Cards took a guy I was scared about last year – James Ramsey from FSU. Pretty much a ceiling of a 4th outfielder type, maybe a bit more. He was a first rounder…signed for less.
Of course, they did this when they also had the #19, #36, #52, #59 in the draft because of losing Edwin Jackson, Albert Pujols through free agency. Tons of comp picks and needed to sign one guy below slot.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
Cardinals just had a great draft class in 2012, imo. Early to tell, but they had six of the first 86 picks due to compensation for free agents: http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=stl
Carson Kelly, Michael Wacha, etc. Great draft – 5 outta 6 posiiton players.
phil
November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
I hope I’m wrong, but my guess is that Hanson hasn’t done one dang thing since the season ended but goof off….
Someone like a Prado, however, after some well deserved rest, is probably back out there running several miles a day, lifting a weight or two, working on something to better himself.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
so far he is an every other year hitter who hits somewhat worse away from ‘zona’s stadium, there has to be a limit on what you would be willing to give up for him IMO. He has been better than Bj but is still obviously an irritating player at least to the team, not saying that I wouldn’t want him but I prolly wouldn’t give what they will want and I will be a bit surprised if the Braves are willing to.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
that is because you have not watched him play regularly for the last 5 years Shaun, you are going only by numbers again. which are not that good either but are not the only things that can disappoint
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
Jason Parks is doing a really good job over at Baseball Prospectus taking over for Kevin Goldstein, who left for the Houston Astros. Really good reads on his Top 10 lists for the Astros, Cubs and Rockies so far.