5:38 pm November 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 3rd, 201211:24 am
old man – And I’m not being a smart ass either. I agree – they need to bring in a player through trade. However…….
You do not strenthen an area by weaking a strenth and that is what our pitching is. Wren went and got Maholm for a reason and that reason was not to use him as trade bait. He picked him up so he could have him again this year at a reasonable rate. And as to the bullpen – that is a MAJOR strength and allows us to utilize our younger starters without having to stretch them to a surplus of IP. The also shortent the game to six or seven innings.
In addition to that, why do people think a middle reliever is going to enhance a deal all that much? I seriously don’t see Venters or O’Flaherty as being so desireable by other teams that they’d tank a deal if they were not included in a deal – they literally have more value to the Braves in the pen than they do as trade bait.
Yes, a trade WILL likely be made for one of our openings, but I’m almost positive that the trade will be of younger prospects and NOT players currently on the ML team. Believe me – Teheran or Delgado will garner a much larger return than a second or third year arbitration reliever.
Bring the lumber
DAM – I am not against that totaly, but who leads off in that lineup?
November 3rd, 201211:28 am
Bring the lumber … funny, that is exactly the question I was discussing last night with a friend. Honestly, I have no idea. Prado? But the Braves really like him hitting second, so who knows. I imagine it would sort itself out if it got to that point.
Other than possibly Hanson off the MLB roster, that is.
November 3rd, 201211:29 am
If it came down to it, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Simmons lead off with Martin hitting second. However, I can already her the hue and cry against that.
I don’t know though – Simmons may be much better offensively than we thinkhe will.
November 3rd, 201211:31 am
Better idea: Get rid of Uggla, move Prado to 2nd; Gattis in LF, and sign a CF and a 3B. Move Uggla, McCann, and maybe Hanson, and Maholm for a CF, 3B, and C. Actually, if we now have 25 mil to spend, trading Hanson, Uggla, Maholm, and McCann would clear another 32 mil or so. Ought to be able to get 3 good players for 57 mil.
November 3rd, 201211:32 am
If Justin Upton is on the trade block…I would do alomost anything to have him in a Braves uniform for three years.
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November 3rd, 201211:33 am
From Dylan Hernandez in the LA Times:
Mark McGwire is expected to become the Dodgers’ next hitting coach, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because his hiring hasn’t been finalized.
November 3rd, 201211:36 am
Missed the Hunter/Bourjos news. Now nolie can relax.
November 3rd, 201211:41 am
old man; I hear ya, but only hope’n they wouldn’t do that, but would love to find a way to get justin upton here some way w/o los’n Gattis, some how.
November 3rd, 201211:43 am
I’ve mulled over simmons hitt’n leadoff to Lew; just got to get his bunt’n skills squared up.
November 3rd, 201211:45 am
If Maholm was part of a Justin Upton deal, we would be “upside down” in salary only about 3M.
To avoid losing prospects in a CF trade, could you then use the extra cash you have on hand to sign a free agent pitcher which, say for example, the Twins covet, and then by pre-arrangement trade the pitcher to the Twins for Denard Span, and eat some of the pitcher’s salary in the deal. Span is making 4.75M next year, but is worth far more than that, so it would in essence be a cash acquisition of Span. Is that allowed?
Ending up with Upton and Span would pretty strong.
November 3rd, 201211:49 am
November 3rd, 201211:52 am
At the ground breaking for a new sports complex in Cartersville, Bobby, Fredi and Ned Yost were all on hand They are some of the partners in the group behind it.
November 3rd, 201211:54 am
Nolie there you go again to quote a great man.
Trying to defend Chipper and Bobby when there is no defense.
Bobby used Pam for a punching bag and Chipper had a hooters baby.
How are those outright lies??
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
November 3rd, 201211:55 am
1. Prado 3B
2. Simmons SS
3. Heyward RF
4. Hamilton CF
5. Hunter LF
6. Freeman 1B
7. Uggla 2B
8. Ross/McCann C
Torii Hunter signed to a 1 or 2 year deal- that gives a year to see if Gattis is the real deal. When Hamilton breaks down, no worries, we’ve got Jordan back(insert eye rolling face here). Hey, all it takes is cash!
November 3rd, 201212:02 pm
I’ll say it one more time – Uggla is not going anywhere.
November 3rd, 201212:03 pm
Yunel was traded because he was a cancer on the clubhouse. Hamilton had issues off the field but is a good teammate big difference. I don’t mind the idea of Wren going after a big offensive bat like that if he does. I give it 50/50 and mostly likely not getting Hamilton but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. He has never shot down the idea and usually has done so in years past with other big time FA.
Not going to happen. The Braves don’t like players with heavy baggage, regardless. Beyond that, Hamilton’s price tag is far too high for Wren.
November 3rd, 201212:06 pm
They aren’t going to indulge in wholesale change when the team they have now (minus Chipper and Bourn) and including a less than stellar McCann and Uggla just won 94 games. It’s not as if they just lost 100 and need to re-make the team – they need to fill two positions only and they won’t dismantle the team to do it.
Next winter they will have Hudson and Maholm coming off the books and that is when they will make changes to the starting rotation and not now when what they need is two outfielders.
I’d be surprised if Simmons started the season leading off. I think that he hasn’t proven he can hit at a major league level. Yes, his batting was encouraging on a limited basis, but I think management will keep him low in the order and see what he does.
But, yes, Lew, I do think Simmons may prove to be a more capable hitter than some think.
November 3rd, 201212:08 pm
Yes, and Hanson, I think, if he’s not dealt this winter (which I’m guessing Wren will attempt to do).
November 3rd, 201212:10 pm
Just a thought ;
Willingham was 27 when he had an outstanding rookie yr. Gattis is 26 as of now.
Now of course none of us have a clue as to what Gattis can do at this time but if he can be Willingham in his rookie yr (and he had a good one in 06), that would be a cross between luck and genius player development.
If they do not make a move now FW has a history of making a move for a need during the season or around the deadline. Don;t sell Frank short.
Simmons would not be the optimal lead off hitter and I’m certainly NOT prosposing to put him there. However, like I said – it wouild not totally surprise me if the had no other options – especially oif they want to keep Prado at number two.
I’m thinking they’ll get a lead off hitter, though and Simmons would only be in case of no one else.
November 3rd, 201212:14 pm
“Yes, a trade WILL likely be made for one of our openings, but I’m almost positive that the trade will be of younger prospects and NOT players currently on the ML team. Believe me – Teheran or Delgado will garner a much larger return than a second or third year arbitration reliever,”
Lew — more than likely you are right but it depends on whom we are dealing with.
If the move is for someone like Bourjos, LAA might prefer the young vet reliever which we have. Depends on what their GM is thinking.
To get someone of quality we are probably going to have to include one or the other (Teheran or Delgado) whom I would not want to move for Bourjos BTW. Unless the deal is expanded.
November 3rd, 201212:15 pm
Lew, I think that if a speedy outfielder is not obtained to bat lead-off, the only good option is Prado. he may be ideal at no. 2, but he’s lead off before and done well.
November 3rd, 201212:16 pm
The Braves have taken chances with young guys in the past & Gattis might be a guy whom they are taking a chance if they really feel good about him.
Because he is 26, fans will second guess until he shows he can really play at this level.
That is just what fans do — but its the scouts opinion that matters.
November 3rd, 201212:20 pm
Hey – NO argument from me – Prado will do well no matter what position they ask him to play or where he hits in the order. But they DO like him hitting second, though if you check his splits, he rakes hitting sixth.
November 3rd, 201212:22 pm
Disgusted – I’m still not seeing another team saying to Wren, “I’m sorry, but without Venters or O’Flaherty, you can take your deal and stuff it.”
Sorry, neither of our seventh or eighth inning relievers will be a deal maker or breaker. They just won’t.
Can Ben Revere play CF adequately? .345 OBP, 40 SB in only 124 games.
November 3rd, 201212:24 pm
I don’t want Bourjos at all. Why trae for a good glove, no bat guy to play CF? Don’t we already have Constanza, Schafer, Pie and Durango that fit that bill without trading anyone?
Maybe Bourjos hits eventually, but I’m not in favor of trqading anyone just to find that out.
November 3rd, 201212:27 pm
Later y’all – I’m out of here so I can get some artwork done beofre the Dawgs’ game is on the tube. So have a good one and may your favorite team whip butt today – unless, of course you’re an Ole Miss fan.
November 3rd, 201212:30 pm
I peeled my Braves decal from my camper shell rear window/lift gate. It’s been on there from the beginning of time but, I’m tired of riding around in shame. It had to go….
….to make room for a much smaller Braves decal.
November 3rd, 201212:45 pm
What is the matter with you Nowhere Man? Why the compulsion to always be starting something with some regular poster. Where you really hated that much as a child and forced to be an outsider, cause you sure come across that way. Give the ass hole act a break why don’t you?
November 3rd, 201212:49 pm
Have we signed Hamilton yet???
November 3rd, 201212:54 pm
Did I see that it was Mixxo’s birthday yesterday? If so, happy belated birthday.
November 3rd, 20121:05 pm
& a happy belated birthday to Mixxo as well.
November 3rd, 20121:13 pm
EDDIE PEREZ TO MANAGE BRAVES IN 2013. Not a bad idea and FREDI would not have to be fired, he could manage G-BRAVES. OPPS FORGET IT he could ruin our young pitchers in LAWENCEVILLE.
November 3rd, 20121:16 pm
USC WEST has a big game tonight, hope they win for cab.
November 3rd, 20121:19 pm
I see that our old buddy Rafael Soriano is looking for a 4 year 60 million contract.
November 3rd, 20121:22 pm
I agree Ben Revere could fit the CF bill nicely and at a cheap price. The Twins need pitching and have an over abundance of OF’ers. The Braves could put a small package together for Revere without giving away the top 2 prospects. I would beat a Hanson and a second tier pitching prospect might get this done. Revere strikeout ratio is low and he has good speed. He has played RF and has a good arm with above average skills.
By saving all that money, you then could spend on Tori Hunter. You could also give Gattis a shot in LF as a back up to Hunter on days off. With Gattis and Reed Johnson you would have capable backs in the OF and bats of the bench. If Gattis pans out and takes off you have your LFer for the next year and trade Tori. By do this you have spent 10-12 mil on Tori and filled all three positions, CF LF and 3B with Prado. You have saved your top pitching prospects for next year when Maholm and Huddy leaves. You could also use them (Teheran/Delgado) or Maholm for trade bait at the deadline next year and have money to spend.
Mc Cann c
The Bravos would still have about 12-15 mil this year to spend! Your bench would be stronger and you haven’t touched your starting pitching, before Beachy comes back!
November 3rd, 20121:36 pm
I find it so hard to understand that when we finally have a significant amount of money to spend and Wren says he will spend it, that so many on here are satisfied with question marks like Bourjos, Revere and Gentry when we already have three question marks in Simmons, McCann and Uggla.
November 3rd, 20121:56 pm
Currently 30 Players on 40 Man Roster
Rough Guesstimate of $45.63125M coming off without knowing and adding in Prorated total
From Cots Salary Website
Derek Lowe – $10M
Matt Diaz – $2M
David Ross – $1.625M
Jack Wilson – $1M
Chad Durbin – $0.9M
Eric Hinske – $1.6M
Michael Bourn - $6.845M
Chipper Jones – $14M
Jair Jurrjens – $5.5M
Robert Fish - $0.48M
D.J. Carrasco – $1.2M
Anthony Varvaro - $481,250
$45.63125M Coming Off
$$$$$$$$$$ add these up and whatever total add to above total off books
Arbitration Eligible (7)
First time: ………2012 Salary -
Jason Heyward - $0.565M -
Tommy Hanson - $0.535M -
Jonny Venters - $0.533M -
Cristhian Martinez - $491,250 -
Kris Medlen - $0.49M -
Total 2012 – $2.61425M
Martin Prado - $4.75M – Could get $7M in Arb
Eric O’Flaherty - $2.49M -
Total 2012 – $7.24M
2012 ARB Salary $9.85425
2013 ARB Salary -
Prado’s salary could get a $2.5 boost and approach $7M in his last season before free agency.
November 3rd, 20122:03 pm
I wonder if we have 22-25M to spend, if we commit all of it to two long term free agent deals, are we then caught flat-footed when 2014, 2015, and 2016 come and we have to find money for arb eligible and new free agents on our roster?
November 3rd, 20122:04 pm
Rode up to McCann’s Rally Foundation celebrity softball game at Coolray Field in Gwinnett.
You might recognize this guy in the home run contest:
And here’s McCann, two weeks removed from shoulder surgery and doing well. (He’s on left.)
November 3rd, 20122:05 pm
DOB—I understand the Twins are in need of starting pitching. In your opinion, if we were to trade for Willingham, would it take more than Hanson?
Considerably more than Hanson.
November 3rd, 20122:06 pm
I hate that we are going to lose speed from Bourn, but hopefully Gattis will bring us somethin’.
November 3rd, 20122:09 pm
Somebody RH LF
Ross C until Mac Hits Here
November 3rd, 20122:18 pm
Braves may be paying out $23-25M in arbitration salaries for 2013 unless a long term deal or two are made……Heyward and Prado.
November 3rd, 20122:35 pm
@ Sneaky Pete
You might want to check on Revere stats for the past 3 years….. He isnt a question mark, good average LOW strikeout rate, good speed and above average RFer. If you like Denard Span as many do, this guy is a better all around player, and younger.
As for Bourjas, He has yet to prove he can hit for any kind of average. He is a good OFer but limited average, lots of K’s
November 3rd, 20122:45 pm
I’m calling the infield-fly rule(bs)on trading El olo blanco.
Lets go all in on Bourn and let Gattis and Johnson,Bourn J Hey and whomever hold down the out field
Gattis hittin clean up behind Bourn Prado J Hey with Freddie Uggla B Mc and simba thats solid ppl
November 3rd, 20122:55 pm
Sorry, we’ve seen the best Bourn has to offer, and that’s just not worth $15MM/year or more. Unless the expected market for him unexpectedly collapses, or Scott Boras unexpectedly collapses, signing Bourn would be a big mistake.
November 3rd, 20123:00 pm
.278 .319 .323 .642 79 for his career. that is a 79 OPS+ , no you are correct Revere is not a question mark he is s proven mediocre hitter at best
November 3rd, 20123:03 pm
270 hits and only 33 are doubles or singles. that is absurd even for a leadoff hitter
November 3rd, 20123:09 pm
El OSO Blanco! Not OLO………
November 3rd, 20123:15 pm
Yes, Revere looks like a Juan Pierre clone. I have heard he’s a decent fielder though. Don’t know much about him otherwise. Wouldn’t Span be a better alternative. Let the Twinkies move Revere to CF for them and not us.
But truly, there is not a huge difference between the two of them. Span has more power.
November 3rd, 20123:17 pm
There is no way that Revere is as good as Span, his numbers are better across the board that Revere’s. more power, much better OBP and he is a great centerfielder. I can’t imagine anybody saying that Revere is a better player.
November 3rd, 20123:20 pm
McCann more upbeat following shoulder surgery
November 3rd, 20123:21 pm
Then Span it is!! OK Frank, make it happen. Wait a minute, you say he wants Willingham AND Span???
Now that could be a problem…………
November 3rd, 20123:23 pm
Oh oso not olo no wonder I got a C in espanol
Span has an OPS+ of 105, a bit over average, Revere is at 79 which is terrible and they play in the same park DS1. I see a significant difference between them.
Good news on Mac’s recovery.
November 3rd, 20123:25 pm
I think Span would be a great choice. his L/R splits are pretty good. He has that funky home/away split but since that involves two different parks at home, I’m not sure it is very valid in his case.
November 3rd, 20123:26 pm
I plead nolo contendre if only there was no Si en espanol
I don’t really want Bourn for !5 Mill Span would be fine or even durango and bank money for others
November 3rd, 20123:31 pm
15 million might not even get Bourn, so yes I agree that is too much dinero
November 3rd, 20123:32 pm
Sure, if you look at their overall career averages, then definitely Span is better, maybe significantly better (significant is not the word I’d use).
But take a second look at their trends. Span has really been in decline since his second season. For the past three years, his OPS+ has averaged around 92-93. And he did trend upwards in 2012, but his 2010 and 2011 were very unspectacular.
Revere had his best year last year, and he is younger. But I’ll give you that he has no power, where Span shows some power (although not anything to go to the bank with).
So, when I looked at their trends, I really didn’t see much of a difference in recent performance. Certainly not “significant” difference. But then again, maybe it’s all semantics.
November 3rd, 20123:37 pm
If Bourn would have hit well in the second half, I’d see maybe overpaying a bit for him. But since he had a very unspectacular second half (not just a bad month, but a below average half), I’d let someone else take that risk.
Too bad though, as it would have been nice to have the 1st half Michael Bourn patrolling CF for the next 5-6 years.
If we were a 150 million a year payroll, he’d make a lot more sense.
November 3rd, 20123:38 pm
Gotta run. Catch you on the flip side.
that is a good point on the last three years DS1. still a difference but less than career numbers indicate.
12% XBH though is just horrible.
November 3rd, 20123:39 pm
Georgia v Old Miss
Should be a no doubter
So the Dawgs will probable sleep walk through the first half
November 3rd, 20123:55 pm
3 to zip Old Miss
Two sacks on Murray and punt it away
November 3rd, 20123:56 pm
Appreciate the pics(Chipper & Heap) and the update on McCann
November 3rd, 20124:05 pm
Yes DS1 Pierre is a pretty good comparison I guess, but he has better numbers all across the slash line than Revere. I’m sorry but that is just not what I’m looking for with 25mil to spend.
November 3rd, 20124:10 pm
November 3rd, 20124:13 pm
prado could be a 90-100 rbi guy in the 3 hole with his consistent contact
November 3rd, 20124:15 pm
@ Bat Dawgs D#### needs to step up I’m afraid Murry is going all uggla on us
November 3rd, 20124:21 pm
Bat – Ole Miss has played well this year. Could be a fly in the red hair dye.
But If they pull it out and the Birds can stomp a mudhole in the Cowpokes’ then it will be a great start to November
November 3rd, 20124:37 pm
Today’s Ole Miss game is one of the examples why a Mark Richt coached team will NEVER take this team to a National Championship game.
Pretty good for this level of talent is not good enough.
And Murray is stinking up the joint again — He deserves to be Booed.
UGA is college football’s underachieving choke team. I am not surprised we lost this game. I count this one as a loss might as well.
Murray just sucks. Worst QB ever.
November 3rd, 20124:38 pm
Uggla > then Murray.
That is pretty bad.
Murray is as bad a big game QB as Stafford was.
Both are underachievers. Its panic time and they should be Booed at the half.
November 3rd, 20124:40 pm
Well, Well, finally a play to be made.
Still think we are losing this one because I have been disappointed too many times.
Morgan sucks as a place kicker too. That 47 yd attempt was brutal.
November 3rd, 20124:42 pm
I don’t care about OPS for players like Span and Revere cause they don’t have much power (Revere has ero power) so all I care about them is defense, OBP, get their fair share of hits and steal some bases.
I would choose Revere cause he is a bit younger and those 40 steals are an eye opener.
Can we get him??????
November 3rd, 20124:44 pm
I like the caption under the McCann photo. on left
November 3rd, 20124:45 pm
One thing why UGA teams have fallen short in recent yrs is underacheving from our QB’s/
Stafford was not all he was hyped to be and Murray just cannot really cut it in big games.
It was our D and some ball control that did it vs FLA last week.
We have not had big time QB play since the days of David Greene and DJ Shockley.
Both of em were better QB’s in college than Stafford and Murray will ever hope to be.
Stafford was a bigger bust cause he was so overhyped.
November 3rd, 20124:46 pm
Bo Wallace > Aaron Murray
November 3rd, 20124:47 pm
At least the refs are not overofficiating the gae this week.
Thos refs overofficiated last weeks game & it did affect the ebb and flow of the offense on both sides.
November 3rd, 20124:49 pm
I believe the Twins would like to trade Denard Span and let Ben Revere take his spot. Span has more trade value, a contract already in place, and is older. I prefer Span because I think we know what were gonna get from him and he has a team friendly contract that makes alot of sense for us. Very good defender as well.
November 3rd, 20124:53 pm
I’m not saying Old Miss totally sux or anything, just that Georgia should win handily. Hell if you aspire to be a championship team maybe you should take the first two quarters seriously
Tater……….. Fly in the red hair dye?
I thought that field goal attempt was gonna end up going out of bounds
November 3rd, 20124:57 pm
Good grief ……….. 3 turnovers inside if one minute
November 3rd, 20124:58 pm
Make that four
November 3rd, 20124:59 pm
Is there a game on now? I didn’t think Clemson played until later…………
November 3rd, 20125:00 pm
Gurley needs to go — he is a disgraceful fumbling BUMB in plain English.
He should be off the team — why does Rict keep putting that loser ou there with his fumbalitis.
Give it to Gurley and watch him fumble
November 3rd, 20125:03 pm
Va Brave — I can live with Span.
Defense, speed and a decent OBP with not much but a little punch.
You just cannot measure every player by OPS cause OPS does not really mean that much for a guy without much power as long as he does the other things.
And Murray cannot move us again — what a loser.
November 3rd, 20125:04 pm
Bat – A reference to Brando.
…Tim. Not Marlon.
November 3rd, 20125:05 pm
Pretty Good is not good enough.
Not when you recruit talent on the same level as LSU and Alabama.
Mark Boo Boo has to go, he has underachieved.
Aaron Murray is a choke.
November 3rd, 20125:08 pm
As long as the braves are offering second chances to former “prospects,” any thoughts about going after some right handed pop in the outfield…andruw jones as a pt lf’er?
November 3rd, 20125:09 pm
Ah I see, Tater
November 3rd, 20125:11 pm
November 3rd, 20125:12 pm
Aaron “SACK” Murray.
They call him Mr. Sackdown.
He can fall and hit the deck.
Ringing up those Negative Yards
And the Dawgs fall apart again.
BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Murray SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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